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all nvidia G84 and G86 defective
The official story is that it was a batch of end-of-life parts that used a different bonding/substrate process for only that batch for notebook graphic cards.
Failures occur due to heat cycling, cold -> hot -> cold for the non-engineers out there. All G84s (GF 8600gt & gts) and G86s (GF 8400gs, gf8500gt) are affected, and all are the same ASIC, so why aren't the desktop parts dying? They are, they are just low enough on the bell curve that you do not see it in number that set off alarm bells publicly with notebook gpu failures.
The biggest question for desktop gpus is whether or not they will be under warranty at that point, not whether or not they are defective.
HP documentation, and class action lawsuit, Dell documentation, Nvidia coverup and blamegame.
Nvidia has also silently pulled from the market their highend 790i chipset products (motherboard data corruption problems.) In case you have been living under a rock lately, Nvidia GPUs and chipsets have been crapping out at an amazingly high rate of speed.
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Wahahahaha time to gloat about not recommending any nVidia 7xx chipsets due to poor drivers and crappy nVidia 8400~8600 cards.
We just need a new GPU company that isn't in it for profits.
Please grow up.
I run ATI, so this isn't an issue for me, lol. ATI finally put out good drivers, and they work perfectly now
yup, ATI takes the cake this round, cheap cost, lots of power.
add the Nvidia G92 (8800 gt/gts/gs) and G94 (9600gt) gpu to the defective list
"NVIDIA IS IN DEEP trouble over the defective parts problem, and from what we're being told, this is only the tip of the iceberg. NV still insists on stonewalling and spinning because the cost of owning up to the problem could very well sink the company."
Already down about us$100M from Nvidia's last quarter... now ATI comes out with that $450ish 4870x2, how soon before Nvidia starts laying off jobs as a 'cost-cutting' measure while awarding the board of directors multi million $ bonuses!
Well if you consider they are both losing money this quater, we have two that arent making profits.
Nvidia posts 121 million dollar loss for the quater.
Amd (who owns ati) lost almost 4 billion last year.
If larrabee is as good as intel thinks it is, then we will only have one, big blue and we all know how greedy they are. (cough 1500 extreme cpu cough)
*P.S theres also matrix and s3 gpu people that nobody remembers ( I have owned both )
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I got one of their 780i lemons right here. All those bios updates nvidia throws out do squat. Going intel board very soon. "
"waves goodbye at nvidia junk forever"
defective parts (chinese installed) spreading to LCD tvs. link
since link stops access to the article in a few days...
Capacitor issues causing high maintenance rate among LCD TVs made in China, say sources
"Sources at passive component distributors indicated that a relatively high ratio of maintenance is being required for LCD TVs that are made in China. A look at the components inside the TVs show that problematic aluminum electrolytic capacitors installed on the controller board may be the major reason, they explained.
The sources indicated that there seems to be more LCD TVs having factory maintenance problems recently, especially for China brands and systems that were subcontracted to China-based makers for production. Some of these LCD TVs have even been recalled. But they said it is hard to estimate a concrete figures for the amount of TVs that have such problems.
A major issue may stem from the aluminum electrolytic capacitors that are installed in these LCD TVs' controller boards, the sources noted. Given that LCD TVs have higher requirements for audio processing, some passive component makers which opt for cheaper aluminum electrolytic capacitors have found the capacitors vaporize too fast. This eventually either causes unclear image or no image, the sources said. Most of these LCD TVs have been shipped to the market for less than one year, they added.
Despite solid aluminum electrolytic capacitors or other aluminum electrolytic capacitors being replaced, the sources noted that demand for these two components should not see a critical jump in the near term. Demand from maintenance can hardly compare to a demand surge that was driven by a market changing event such as the launch of the 775-pin Intel CPU in 2005."
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btw, Nvidia is taking a us$200M right-off to account for it's bogus G84, 86, 92, 94 gpu.
I always used Nvidia; excpet for once a few months back; and always liked - and never had issues with - Nvidia.
Untill I got the 8500 that; shortly after getting; crashed out and bacame useless.
I actualy thought at the time it was my PC; untill I put the old ATI card back in and it worked fine. (it is a lesser RAM card - that's why I'm not using it now)
Well, at the time I didn't have another $100+ to spend on another 8500 GT (or GE; which ever it was/is), so I dropped a little (power wise) to the 8400 GS. And it's seams to be fine right now; until I tried running two copies of WoW at once (something I did fine before on the 8500). Had some weird glitching of the graphics.
I didn't see this post till after I had bought my new 8400; wishing I had.. lol
What would you recommend - ATI wise - that is the same power as the 8500 or may the 8400 is supposed to be; that is between $80 to $100 dollars? Haven't really evered looked at ATI's much (i know the basics about graphics cards but noexpect at them either... lol).
And if it makes any difference; my PC specs are:
Thanks in advance.
Right now ATI pretty much dominates the low-end, and has been for years. The HDx400-600's have performed better then thier competitive nVidia offerings. In that range there is the HD3850/HD3870 and nVidia 9600 which really isn't low end anymore.
Here is some brave news venturing for you that Intel launched earlier this year. Intel will be moving into the graphical market by next year sometime. They admited to adding on board graphics that they said by 2010 will outperform both nvidia and ati's best graphics solutions.
Now it seems to me if Intel does this we may see prices go way down and either or both nvidia or ati will go out of business, at least AMD will still have CPU solutions to offer but nvidia is screwed. Intel claims they will have an onboard graphics solution with dedicated memory up to 1gig and faster IO process and bandwidth by having it built onto the boards. This is true but it is a big move that may change how we see future hardware.
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hmm pretty interesting .... me thinks i need to check my second 9600 ... i always thought my computer was running games slower then it should have..... I had to turn my graphics down for "The guild 2" with 2 9600gt's in my system.....
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A lawsuit alleging Nvidia violated US securities laws and kept secret a major defect in its graphics chip product line was filed in a Californian district court 9 September 2008.
Nvidias CEO Jen-Hsun Huang and CFO Marvin Burkett are accused of concealing the defect for eight months, even though according to the allegations (pdf) they knew of "these unprecedented failure rates, as well as their root causes as early as November 2007.
The chip firm went public about the flaw on 2 July this year when it hit shareholders with a succession of irksome announcements, revealing a financial forecast cut short due to slowing sales, a delayed ramp for new product, and a hefty payout due to faulty laptop chips.
Nvidia said at the time that it expected to pay between $150M and $200M to cover warranty, repair, return, replacement and other costs for defects in certain laptop GPUs (graphic processing units) and MCPs (media and communication processors).
Following the July announcement, Nvidias stock price tumbled 31 per cent to $12.98, and market capitalistion shrunk by $3bn virtually overnight, according to the filing.
The suit, brought against Nvidia by New York law firm Shalov, Stone, Bonner & Rocco in the US District Court for the Northern District of California, seeks class action status against Nvidia and unspecified damages.
Dell and Hewlett-Packard, among other computer vendors, released hardware BIOS updates to provide a quick fix for the chip problem some eight months before Nvidia told investors about the serious defect.
Earlier this month Nvidias Q2 revenue dropped five per cent to $892.7M. In addition, the company posted a net loss of $120.9M, which compares to a profit of $172.7M in the same period last year. It also revealed a $196m charge "to cover anticipated customer warranty, repair, return, replacement and associated costs" tied to a defect in certain notebook products.
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