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I was having this dicussion with friends and i figured id put it up here, since this is a larger audience.
Which would you rather your children experience in a game, characters on screen violently killing each other, or Nudity and obscure/overt sexual acts.
The conversation with my friends was ass-backwards in my opinion with more people being offended by sex then the violence, and i am guessing the result will be the same here, so a discussion on why sex is worst then death is one that would be interesting to have.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
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I know it sounds odd....but I'd rather have violence than sex in a game.
My son will have plenty of time to discover the wonders of sex when he's old enough to enjoy such things.
However, the sooner one learns how to cope with violence, the better.
Not that I am "offended" by either....I just have a preference as to what I would rather enjoy in my games, and the order in which I'd rather have my son learn about things.
I remember back in 1999, folks kept asking me if I was stockpiling food. I always answered, "No, I'm stockpiling ammo and making a list of people who are stockpiling food"
I voted violence/death/killing. Simply cause kids see this kinda behavior regularily on tv n such. I teach my kids violence is tolerated only in video games. My son loves the GTA series , but knows behavior such as that in the real world is unacceptable.
However sex is not offencive. But it is something they can easily participate in before they are ready. There is already too many teenage preg kids kickin around these days. Too many single mothers, n kids with no homes. Why the hell would you want to encourage your kid to participate in sex too young?
what an akward thing to ask, of course none of them..........it's like asking a fish if he prefers to be cooked on a frying pan or in the oven.
If you can, obviously avoid both.
Problem is that nowadays kids are non supervised when they use a computer, therefore they are exposed to porn and violence from a young age.
But in theory parents should not allow their kids to see violence or sex/nudity til they are a lil more mature.
Violence, hell I grew up on Tom and Jerry beating the hell out of each other and GI Joe blowing the shit out of everything. Violence is part of being human. Sexual crap will fine when they are old enough to know.
Now if you are talking about over the top gore then neither.
I grow up beating people up and being beaten up..........but that doesn't make it right.
Of course we need to protect our kids both from over exposure to violence and sex (and when I say kids I don't mean the 15 y/o but the 10-12 y/o)
I grow up beating people up and being beaten up..........but that doesn't make it right.
Of course we need to protect our kids both from over exposure to violence and sex (and when I say kids I don't mean the 15 y/o but the 10-12 y/o)
I wouldn't say "protect"...more like regulate the amount of exposure so that they are eased into it gradually as they mature.
I remember back in 1999, folks kept asking me if I was stockpiling food. I always answered, "No, I'm stockpiling ammo and making a list of people who are stockpiling food"
Regulate is a way to protect.
Protect doesn't mean banning them to use the computer alltogether.
I mean if you leave a 10 y/o with a computer in his own room without putting any filters, how long do you think it will be before they find a porn site?
I give them 5 minutes max............
How about "It's a stupid question?"
I don't want either for my kid.
This is why I, as a responsible and non-braindamaged parent, I pay attention to what games are bought.
I pay attention to the rating on the game.
I do my job as a parent instead of hoping someone else will.
That's MY opinion.
Agreed.
For example, my son who is about to turn 10 (ironically enough) isn't allowed to use the internet or play MMOs without me being in the room with him.
He asks why he's not allowed to watch certain movies, or play certain games. I tell him it's because they are for adults, and that he should enjoy being a kid as long as he can.
Seems to work pretty well
I remember back in 1999, folks kept asking me if I was stockpiling food. I always answered, "No, I'm stockpiling ammo and making a list of people who are stockpiling food"
It is not a stupid quesiton.
When it comes to banning video games outright, these are the two subjects that come out, and most games if not all are perfectly acceptable with viloence, even gross dismemberment, but as soon as there is some hint at sex, parents get outraged enough to ban it.
Regardless of the logical response of, my kids can do what i let tehm, there are still assholes who think "My moral belief should be law!" I personally dont have a problem with either, as long as you take the time to talk to your kids as if these things are normal and not some sort of taboo nobody does. And also take the time to explain violence is only acceptable in video games and on tv but not in real life.
I know people like to believe that the world is immaculate and nobody has sex but it just isnt true. I believe in teh rating system for games, but what i dont agree with, is the fact that people still try to ban certain games out right, even when they have that 18+ mature rating.
Thats why it begs teh question, which would you rather, so it is eitehr or, there is no none of the above for a reason.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
It is not a stupid quesiton.
When it comes to banning video games outright, these are the two subjects that come out, and most games if not all are perfectly acceptable with viloence, even gross dismemberment, but as soon as there is some hint at sex, parents get outraged enough to ban it.
Regardless of the logical response of, my kids can do what i let tehm, there are still assholes who think "My moral belief should be law!" I personally dont have a problem with either, as long as you take the time to talk to your kids as if these things are normal and not some sort of taboo nobody does. And also take the time to explain violence is only acceptable in video games and on tv but not in real life.
I know people like to believe that the world is immaculate and nobody has sex but it just isnt true. I believe in teh rating system for games, but what i dont agree with, is the fact that people still try to ban certain games out right, even when they have that 18+ mature rating.
Thats why it begs teh question, which would you rather, so it is eitehr or, there is no none of the above for a reason.
And my response made it clear there's no reason to ban games.
There is, however, reason to ban people from being parents.
And the question IS stupid.
It's not stupid because you asked it in the context of your post.
It's stupid for even having to be asked in a supposedly civilized and grown up society.
I think, "kill x mobs" satisfies a goal of a quest and rescues a village from wolves, bad guys, etc.
"Cyber with x players" is a little harder to sell as advancing a storyline.
With violence, there is a certain level of tolerance and I think it is easier to explain video game violence as it is pretty straight forward. On the other hand, how can I explain to my daughter the behavior of someone who approaches her female elf (for example) character? My daughter is only 19 months right now, so this isn't quite a problem, but at the same time, maybe I am lazy, but I don't want to have to address these questions as a reaction to a game she is playing. I would rather address these questions more proactively. The problem is, I believe she will be capable of understanding why she is killing wolves before she is capable of understanding why someone is saying certain things to her. On another note, perhaps gender of the child plays into the parent's opinion.
edit: to clarify, as other have suggested, keeping an eye on what your kid is doing and has access to is obviously the first line of defense against anything you may find objectionable.
-mklinic
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Do something wrong, no one forgets"
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Violence and killing, it's so much better that for kids. The nude body is sin, and loving sex is even worse.
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How dare you use SATAN'S tongue boy! Twenty lashings and 24 hours of reading the only book in the world for you!
WHATT see the truth, the light! Kill and shred your enemies bodies and be covered in blood and thou shall show this to your sons and your daughters and it will be good.
ok...I know you guys are kidding, but this is getting creepy
I remember back in 1999, folks kept asking me if I was stockpiling food. I always answered, "No, I'm stockpiling ammo and making a list of people who are stockpiling food"
I assume sarcasm was intended, so here is my take on it;
I don't think the poll is asking "Which one of these is good?". People have already stated that neither is appealing for their child. Now, with that in mind and strictly in my opinion, sexuality as game content is fine. Killing as game content is fine. The problem with an online game is that these are not constrained to game content. Killing and violence is easily controllable by mechanics such as flagging for pvp, dueling, etc. Sexuality is much harder to defend against as though. So long as there is a chat system and a motivated person on the other end, your child could be exposed to things you may find undesirable. And, being a child, I would not personally categorize advances made to her as "loving sex".
In the end, it is easy to take the moral stand that "sex is not evil", but I don't really think that is the battle people are trying to fight in this thread. Of course, as my daughter has taught me on so many occasions, I could be completely wrong.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
How about killing other humans? chopping their heads off?
I can see why most people in here would think so, but I do not agree that society should accept violence as a form of fictional entertainment and not sex.
Obviously when it comes to kids they will have an easier time understanding the ways of solving conflicts in WoW (talk to the person, do the person a favour or force the person, usually by killing her/him) than they would understanding a quest to convince the king to give you a new sword by giving him a BJ.
But for audiences 18+ i do not understand why a WoWish game that would center around running around doing sexual favours is any less defendable on a moral basis than running around chopping their heads of.
Saying "but the bandits are EVIL" is about as much an excuse as saying "but your character ENJOYS giving head".
Being somewhat liberal on the issue I would say that both are fine for audiences 18+ and that it would be up to the parents to decide what their kids (up to the age of 18) are allowed to play.
Lost and depressed, where are the good MMOs at?
That I can fully agree with. For 18+ gamers, your pretty much considered an adult and there is a good chance you are spending your own money. Enjoy whatever game has the features you want. That said, the original topic it framed the question in regards to kids which I interpret to mean children who still have someone who is designated as a legal guardian (father, mother, both, etc).
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Violence and killing will make your sons and daughters better persons, and overall a better world to live in. They can even become presidents of nations and start wars (not star wars you nerd!) in the name of loving God and this shall be good!
I answered nudity but then again it depends. Porn = a no go. But nudity and sex isn't really a problem. Never really got the radical (<-Read that word) religious American & English view on such mathers. Seems violence is ok for them but oh my when they see a boob.
Ok well I am not a parent but I watched both sex and violence at a young age and I turned out fine.
I am not sure why some parents think that exposure to sex and violence will somehow mess their kids up.
From what I have seen the people with the worst attitudes toward sex were either very sheltered or taught some kind of ideaology that sex indicates self worth.
And the most violent people I know grew up in a home where it was taught that being violent is manly, and to resolve problems peacefully is shameful.
So I think it has more to do with parenting rather than exposure.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Depends on their age. Small child, answer would be neither. My teen-age son (almost 16), pretty sure nothings really going unhinge him so I don't much care.
I don't mind nudity/vilolence in games, but I see no real value to have "sex" in them. Even violence should have a purpose, and not be done just to see if there's some way to really horrify the gamer. (like say, having a SAW MMO where people had to create traps/machines to dismember their victims)
So I couldn't really vote in the poll.
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