Why can't he just be honest?

Cabe2323 · October 2008

Why can't Obama just be honest? If he thinks his plan is good for the Country then why not just say so?

For instance Obama's crap about "net spending decrease". That is complete and utter BS. He includes in his "spending cuts" increasing taxes. He also claims that he is going to cut taxes on 95% of Americans which is utter BS as well.

Why doesn't he just say that he feels that the Country is in poor economic times and we have to suck it up and pay more taxes (which is what he is going to do)?

I just don't understand all of the underhanded bull. Everytime you try and get him to actually say what he will have to cut all he mentions is the Iraq war and increased taxes.

Well guess what Increased taxes and cutting the WAR won't fix our Government Spending problem. They won't even come close. Trillions of dollars of debt are going to be racked up due to entitlements. And Obama wants to add more entitlements? Is this guy serious?

Our economy is going to hell and he wants to give Georgia and Ukraine money to help their Economy? We can't afford to sustain our current way of life and yet he wants to increase Government spending even more?

I just don't understand what people are thinking. How can you possibly want more Government involved in your everyday life? Government is the root of every single problem. We wouldn't be in this current financial crisis if it wasn't the deregulation in 1999. Which both Parties had a huge hand in and Both Candidates are tied to. Obama's Economic advisor was all in that deregulation and so was one of McCain's.

This is a year we needed a Ross Perot type of candidate running.

I honestly wish Bloomberg had ran this year.

Irish_Red · October 2008

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Why can't Obama just be honest? If he thinks his plan is good for the Country then why not just say so?
For instance Obama's crap about "net spending decrease". That is complete and utter BS. He includes in his "spending cuts" increasing taxes. He also claims that he is going to cut taxes on 95% of Americans which is utter BS as well.
Why doesn't he just say that he feels that the Country is in poor economic times and we have to suck it up and pay more taxes (which is what he is going to do)?
I just don't understand all of the underhanded bull. Everytime you try and get him to actually say what he will have to cut all he mentions is the Iraq war and increased taxes.
Well guess what Increased taxes and cutting the WAR won't fix our Government Spending problem. They won't even come close. Trillions of dollars of debt are going to be racked up due to entitlements. And Obama wants to add more entitlements? Is this guy serious?
Our economy is going to hell and he wants to give Georgia and Ukraine money to help their Economy? We can't afford to sustain our current way of life and yet he wants to increase Government spending even more?
I just don't understand what people are thinking. How can you possibly want more Government involved in your everyday life? Government is the root of every single problem. We wouldn't be in this current financial crisis if it wasn't the deregulation in 1999. Which both Parties had a huge hand in and Both Candidates are tied to. Obama's Economic advisor was all in that deregulation and so was one of McCain's.
This is a year we needed a Ross Perot type of candidate running.
I honestly wish Bloomberg had ran this year.

We have one. His name is Dr. Ron Paul.

Thrakk · October 2008

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Why can't Obama just be honest? If he thinks his plan is good for the Country then why not just say so?
For instance Obama's crap about "net spending decrease". That is complete and utter BS. He includes in his "spending cuts" increasing taxes. He also claims that he is going to cut taxes on 95% of Americans which is utter BS as well.
Why doesn't he just say that he feels that the Country is in poor economic times and we have to suck it up and pay more taxes (which is what he is going to do)?
I just don't understand all of the underhanded bull. Everytime you try and get him to actually say what he will have to cut all he mentions is the Iraq war and increased taxes.
Well guess what Increased taxes and cutting the WAR won't fix our Government Spending problem. They won't even come close. Trillions of dollars of debt are going to be racked up due to entitlements. And Obama wants to add more entitlements? Is this guy serious?
Our economy is going to hell and he wants to give Georgia and Ukraine money to help their Economy? We can't afford to sustain our current way of life and yet he wants to increase Government spending even more?
I just don't understand what people are thinking. How can you possibly want more Government involved in your everyday life? Government is the root of every single problem. We wouldn't be in this current financial crisis if it wasn't the deregulation in 1999. Which both Parties had a huge hand in and Both Candidates are tied to. Obama's Economic advisor was all in that deregulation and so was one of McCain's.
This is a year we needed a Ross Perot type of candidate running.
I honestly wish Bloomberg had ran this year.

Is this the best you can come up with, realizing now that Obama has the election in the bag, so to speak? Are you actually grieving and complaining about big government in spite now?

I guess the republicans could have chosen a more likable candidate, that would have helped...

I guess the republican candidates could have made several less mistakes on the campaign trail.

Anyways, even now McCain suddenly supports helping people with morgages (or bad morgages - his words). Yes the trickle down system is inefficient and only good in theory. Yes Obama has been more friendly on the campaign trail and less demeaning. Yes Obama has catered to the middle class much more than McCain. He also has said "this is how I'm going to do it" far more than McCain. And by net tax decrease, he is cutting taxes on 95% of the households... but the measely 5% of rich households will be the only one's paying more taxes - which will provide an overall increase in money that the government receives through taxes. But that isn't the reason why Obama is better for the economy. If you don't know why he's better by now, then I suggest you read up on the internet. Sure both candidates would start off creating a national deficit - neither are fiscally conservative. But in the long run, it's Obama's economic plan that actually counts for anything, not another Bush (hey you republicans play the 'no experience' card all the time so we can play the 'not another bush' card just as often.

So yeah, in response to the title of this thread, Obama has been honest. He has told everyone exactly what he's going to do. Moreso than McCain.

Another thing - stablizing big government is the first step towards decentralization - and isn't that what everyone wants in the long run?

Cabe2323 · October 2008

what a bunch of Crap Thrakk. Honestly could you be more of a Partisan sheep?

I am an independent minded swing voter. I voted for Nader (not Bush) in both 2000 and 2004. If I had been old enough I would of voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and Ron Paul in 1988. The only Republican I would of voted for in the last two decades was Ronald Reagan.

Briansho · October 2008

Originally posted by Irish_Red

Originally posted by Cabe2323

We have one. His name is Dr. Ron Paul.

Exactly, Sir Dr Ron Sean Paul Esquire is the only politician I have ever seen that tells is like it is and is not trying to bullshit me.

Rayx0r · October 2008

Originally posted by Cabe2323

what a bunch of Crap Thrakk. Honestly could you be more of a Partisan sheep?
I am an independent minded swing voter. I voted for Nader (not Bush) in both 2000 and 2004. If I had been old enough I would of voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and Ron Paul in 1988. The only Republican I would of voted for in the last two decades was Ronald Reagan.

So you dont think Giuliani or Romney would have been a better choice? I think thats what Thrakk is trying to point out.

As far as your independant vote, if you dont think it helped Bush that you voted for an independant then you're mistaken. Until independant candidates are allowed to debate with dems and republicans.. you wont see an independant president. Since they swing more toward the liberal side, voting independant is just as good as giving up a vote to a republican.

Nader has hurt democrats more than the republicans in the past 2 elections at the polls, so consider yourself affiliated.

and by the sound of the topic, you are.

Gazenthia · October 2008

You know, the whole thing with Ron Paul and the GOP is really something else.

Right about now the republicans could have been patting themselves on their backs for a fantastic save where they had this election in the bag. They could have put their brains together and actually used a little bit of foresight and won this. But no. They seem to be in a masochistic funk.

As for Obama being honest, I thought he was about as detailed as he was going to get outside of bringing in documents. However it doesn't matter, and I don't think any of us have anything to worry about RE:larger government and/or social programs.

There won't be a red cent for him to work with by the time he gets sworn in.

California has already gone to the federal government asking for money because it is insolvent. New York, Florida, and maybe Georgia are either already insolvent or teetering on the edge. Other states to follow.

Thrakk · October 2008

Originally posted by Cabe2323

what a bunch of Crap Thrakk. Honestly could you be more of a Partisan sheep?
I am an independent minded swing voter. I voted for Nader (not Bush) in both 2000 and 2004. If I had been old enough I would of voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and Ron Paul in 1988. The only Republican I would of voted for in the last two decades was Ronald Reagan.

I don't have to know the ill reasoning of why you think I'm a bunch of crap because face it, Obama is better for the economy. "Big spending" has been blown way out of proportion... by every single republican. So yeah, I understand how you would think that all the gov programs are gonna be a downfall overall... but that just isn't so. You forget to factor in everything else. Or, more likely, you do all the factoring based on only a few facts/theories... this is when someone's position on 'who is better for the economy' becomes purely belief based... it's time you and everyone else read up on *everything* about who's economic plan is better, every single little detail; for example, op-ed articles in economics magazines (ie lots and lots of reading... intellecual 'elitist' knowledge if you will). Do that instead of merely saying "he's gonna fund this and that, and raise taxes on me!"

-and no, I dont intend to argue economics in this thread. Rather, we should *all* read arguments from real economists. I know the avid republican supporter can come up with a long list of economists that support McCain. This list has been copy/pasted several times on yahoo answers. But this list also proves nothing. Knowledge is the answer, and the culmanation of everything I've read by economists has pointed me towards Obama. I've read a lot on this matter.

deviliscious · October 2008

Neither of them are good, THEY BOTH SUCK, they are both going to be really bad for this country. Sure Obamas plan sounds great TOO BAD IT DOESN"T WORK! The numbers don't add up. Hell with the way Obama presents anything he can tell us he is going to sell us to China and still make it sound good. Face it , we just have to "survive" until we get another president into office... if we can find someone who actually will take the job in 4 years. Everyone who would have done a good job knew what kind of mess this country was in and didn;t want the job lol.

Thrakk · October 2008

Originally posted by deviliscious

Neither of them are good, THEY BOTH SUCK, they are both going to be really bad for this country. Sure Obamas plan sounds great TOO BAD IT DOESN"T WORK! The numbers don't add up. Hell with the way Obama presents anything he can tell us he is going to sell us to China and still make it sound good. Face it , we just have to "survive" until we get another president into office... if we can find someone who actually will take the job in 4 years. Everyone who would have done a good job knew what kind of mess this country was in and didn;t want the job lol.

only in America is good speech communications skills looked down upon.

also - Obama/Biden is WAY better than the Kerry and Gore tickets.

deviliscious · October 2008

Originally posted by Thrakk

Originally posted by deviliscious

Neither of them are good, THEY BOTH SUCK, they are both going to be really bad for this country. Sure Obamas plan sounds great TOO BAD IT DOESN"T WORK! The numbers don't add up. Hell with the way Obama presents anything he can tell us he is going to sell us to China and still make it sound good. Face it , we just have to "survive" until we get another president into office... if we can find someone who actually will take the job in 4 years. Everyone who would have done a good job knew what kind of mess this country was in and didn;t want the job lol.

only in America is good speech communications skills looked down upon.

also - Obama/Biden is WAY better than the Kerry and Gore tickets.

Good communication skills are great, but not the only qualification to run the country. Who cares if what he says actually works as long as he makes it sound good. From that viewpoint we could go get any used car salesman to run the country. I am not saying that it is bad he is a good speaker, far from that, it is great he can communicate well. It would be alot better if he actually backed it up. That's the problem I hear a bunch of BS comming from both parties , and neither are actually taking the time to research things fully to come up with plans that will actually work. They throw together a bunch of half ass crap and want to push it through that way insted of doing things right. Right now our country needs a person that knows how to handle finances not these bumbling clowns we are about to hand our country over to .. again .. lol

Ekibiogami · October 2008

Originally posted by Thrakk

Originally posted by Cabe2323

what a bunch of Crap Thrakk. Honestly could you be more of a Partisan sheep?
I am an independent minded swing voter. I voted for Nader (not Bush) in both 2000 and 2004. If I had been old enough I would of voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and Ron Paul in 1988. The only Republican I would of voted for in the last two decades was Ronald Reagan.

I don't have to know the ill reasoning of why you think I'm a bunch of crap because face it, Obama is better for the economy. "Big spending" has been blown way out of proportion... by every single republican. So yeah, I understand how you would think that all the gov programs are gonna be a downfall overall... but that just isn't so. You forget to factor in everything else. Or, more likely, you do all the factoring based on only a few facts/theories... this is when someone's position on 'who is better for the economy' becomes purely belief based... it's time you and everyone else read up on *everything* about who's economic plan is better, every single little detail; for example, op-ed articles in economics magazines (ie lots and lots of reading... intellecual 'elitist' knowledge if you will). Do that instead of merely saying "he's gonna fund this and that, and raise taxes on me!"

-and no, I dont intend to argue economics in this thread. Rather, we should *all* read arguments from real economists. I know the avid republican supporter can come up with a long list of economists that support McCain. This list has been copy/pasted several times on yahoo answers. But this list also proves nothing. Knowledge is the answer, and the culmanation of everything I've read by economists has pointed me towards Obama. I've read a lot on this matter.

So Why the HELL are you Suporting Obama When ALL that he is Promising is MORE SPENDING!!!

McCain at least has a record of trying to Curb Government Spending. Obama Is gana get us in to a war With Pakasatan Give us Health Care and Force Us to Pay for Alternative Energy.

Obama Will only Lengthen this Depreshion Buy taxing us to death and Spending everything he takes in.

Dear God are you Sheep This Blind?

Briansho · October 2008

I dont think either one of them will hold up their promises once in office. Big businesses and companies that are running the country will give whoever gets elected and analysis of what they should do.

Techleo · October 2008

The question I raise is, what gives a politican power. If you address that key issue you can understand why Obama is speaking the way he does. The political system as it stands is party based. Not people based. Given time any party based system builds up a series of political debts. People make deals to stay in power. People want personal things. Corruption seeps in.

Eventually all political party based system collapse under the inherited weight of political debts. A newcomer generally has no chance on the field of politics until he has paid his debts and joined the club so to speak.

Rather then blame Obama for being a politican, question why he has to be a politican the way he is.

Thrakk · October 2008

no u are blind.

go read up on economic strategies... the whole package.

oh yeah, and Obama is cutting taxes on 95% of households. This is a gimme.

Since my first post in this thread people have already used the 'no experience' 'too many government programs' and 'tax the hell out of me' cards... like I said they would. Thats all that matters to them. Frankly, less experience is better than having an old man that is just gonna go with the flow. Not to mention, both republican candidates (P and VP) have made themselves look like idiots in the media several times.... several... I cant have idiots and people that think gayness is a choice as president. Stupidity shouldn't be awarded.

And once again, Obama economics IS better than a Trickle Down system. And his spending *isnt* out of hand. If anyone can do the math/accounting it's Obama. He got the IQ... unlike McCain and Bush. Kapeesh?

McCain is also a lobbyist stooge in the making. Im sure he will be happy to go along with everything his advisors tell him.

Dis_Ordur · October 2008

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

So Why the HELL are you Suporting Obama When ALL that he is Promising is MORE SPENDING!!!
McCain at least has a record of trying to Curb Government Spending. Obama Is gana get us in to a war With Pakasatan Give us Health Care and Force Us to Pay for Alternative Energy.
Obama Will only Lengthen this Depreshion Buy taxing us to death and Spending everything he takes in.
Dear God are you Sheep This Blind?

Pakasatan? Depreshion? LOL!!!

Wolfenpride · October 2008

Both candidates just keep saying they can fix it, but they aren't giving a real solid example or plan of how they're going to do that.

I don't think either of them is sure how to approach economic issue at this point.

Ekibiogami · October 2008

Originally posted by Dis_Ordur

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

So Why the HELL are you Suporting Obama When ALL that he is Promising is MORE SPENDING!!!
McCain at least has a record of trying to Curb Government Spending. Obama Is gana get us in to a war With Pakasatan Give us Health Care and Force Us to Pay for Alternative Energy.
Obama Will only Lengthen this Depreshion Buy taxing us to death and Spending everything he takes in.
Dear God are you Sheep This Blind?

Pakasatan? Depreshion? LOL!!!

If my spelling is the only thing you can Diss(Rightfully so) then I shall claim a Victory becaues your Canadite is Clearly Worse for the country.

Opticaleye · October 2008

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Why can't Obama just be honest? If he thinks his plan is good for the Country then why not just say so?
For instance Obama's crap about "net spending decrease". That is complete and utter BS. He includes in his "spending cuts" increasing taxes. He also claims that he is going to cut taxes on 95% of Americans which is utter BS as well.
Why doesn't he just say that he feels that the Country is in poor economic times and we have to suck it up and pay more taxes (which is what he is going to do)?
I just don't understand all of the underhanded bull. Everytime you try and get him to actually say what he will have to cut all he mentions is the Iraq war and increased taxes.
Well guess what Increased taxes and cutting the WAR won't fix our Government Spending problem. They won't even come close. Trillions of dollars of debt are going to be racked up due to entitlements. And Obama wants to add more entitlements? Is this guy serious?
Our economy is going to hell and he wants to give Georgia and Ukraine money to help their Economy? We can't afford to sustain our current way of life and yet he wants to increase Government spending even more?
I just don't understand what people are thinking. How can you possibly want more Government involved in your everyday life? Government is the root of every single problem. We wouldn't be in this current financial crisis if it wasn't the deregulation in 1999. Which both Parties had a huge hand in and Both Candidates are tied to. Obama's Economic advisor was all in that deregulation and so was one of McCain's.
This is a year we needed a Ross Perot type of candidate running.
I honestly wish Bloomberg had ran this year.

I hear you and agree.Both candidates are pathetic.I cant believe that this is it for our choices.

Im voting libertarian across the board.

These 2 guys are MIRROR images of each other.It doesnt matter who gets elected our taxes are going sky high.Neither party has any self control.

I simply find it difficult to accept that anyone believes more govt is the issue.What i hate though is that it appears as if Obama is going to win.Its not that he will win its the smugness of his supporters that im going to hate.

My new tshirt and bumper sticker AFTER the election no matter who wins:Dont blame me i voted libertarian.

Opticaleye · October 2008

Originally posted by Thrakk

no u are blind.
go read up on economic strategies... the whole package.
oh yeah, and Obama is cutting taxes on 95% of households. This is a gimme.
Since my first post in this thread people have already used the 'no experience' 'too many government programs' and 'tax the hell out of me' cards... like I said they would. Thats all that matters to them. Frankly, less experience is better than having an old man that is just gonna go with the flow. Not to mention, both republican candidates (P and VP) have made themselves look like idiots in the media several times.... several... I cant have idiots and people that think gayness is a choice as president. Stupidity shouldn't be awarded.
And once again, Obama economics IS better than a Trickle Down system. And his spending *isnt* out of hand. If anyone can do the math/accounting it's Obama. He got the IQ... unlike McCain and Bush. Kapeesh?
McCain is also a lobbyist stooge in the making. Im sure he will be happy to go along with everything his advisors tell him.

Click this LINK i dare ya.This is the guy you want running the country?

Yeah i guess if you define "change" as the same old same old?

Dig deeper Obama and Mccain are NO DIFFERENT.They both are making a career out of being a politician.Take off your blinders the guy is typical,he is on the take from DAY 1!!

BARACK OBAMA: $525,000 of contributions from bankrupt Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and Lehman Brothers. Barack Obama has received more money from this bankrupt and corrupt organization than any other member of Congress. In his very short time as a lawyer, Obama represented clients seeking to force Lenders to provide high-risk, subprime mortgage loans which are now at the center of our nation's major crisis.

FRANKLIN RAINES (Obama Top Advisor): former CEO of bankrupt Fannie Mae who was fired for “accounting irregularities” and was given a $90 million Golden Parachute.

JIM JOHNSON (Obama Top Advisor who chose Joe Biden as V.P.): former CEO of bankrupt Fannie Mae and CEO of bankrupt Lehman Brothers.

PENNY PRITZKER (Obama National Finance Chair): former Chair of bankrupt subprime lender, Superior Bank of Chicago. Paid $450 Million in fines to avoid potential criminal prosecution

Yeah this guy is financially responsible he needs 1 of these LINK

Ekibiogami · October 2008

Originally posted by Opticaleye

Originally posted by Thrakk

no u are blind.
go read up on economic strategies... the whole package.
oh yeah, and Obama is cutting taxes on 95% of households. This is a gimme.
Since my first post in this thread people have already used the 'no experience' 'too many government programs' and 'tax the hell out of me' cards... like I said they would. Thats all that matters to them. Frankly, less experience is better than having an old man that is just gonna go with the flow. Not to mention, both republican candidates (P and VP) have made themselves look like idiots in the media several times.... several... I cant have idiots and people that think gayness is a choice as president. Stupidity shouldn't be awarded.
And once again, Obama economics IS better than a Trickle Down system. And his spending *isnt* out of hand. If anyone can do the math/accounting it's Obama. He got the IQ... unlike McCain and Bush. Kapeesh?
McCain is also a lobbyist stooge in the making. Im sure he will be happy to go along with everything his advisors tell him.