Levelling is not a joke. You don't like the speed. You have been spoiled by WoW. Ask yourself what you like best about MMOs.
Do you like to explore every nook and cranny? WAR is huge. Lots of places to go and Tome unlocks.
Do you like PvP? Scenarios are the fastest exp and Reknown out there
Do you like raids? Keep captures and defense are increasing and raid dungeons are out there.
PvE - Public Quests, quests are everywhere . City quests and dungeons too
Crafting - WAR seems to have a rapid progession in crafting. Downside here is it seems to have little impact on your performance.
If you want to get to 40 in a week, return to Warcraft. Warhammer is a game where you can enjoy the ride to the endgame versus tolerate the ride to grind endgame raids.
I've hit level 20, almost 21, and there's MASSES of PVE content I haven't touched. Zero tome/lore unlocks sinze my first zone. My map is covered with little green 'quest here' pimples. I could roll up another elf alt just to do the PVE content I've leveled past, at this point. Done no quests in the other tiers.
And, actually, Mythic said that they wanted the entire 1-40 experience to be fun; the game isn't supposed to be a mad race to 40 to 'start playing'. You can engage in scenarios and RVR content from about level 5 on.
I am a High Elf on Ostermark or Ostergard, something like that. I went for an RP server, and they usually have lower populations. No matter when I play, though, I usually get scenarios popping between every 5 and 15 minutes.
I really hate the "blink and you miss it" leveling of most modern games. I like the pace of WAR.
I don't care how long it takes to gain a level guys, I care how I spend the time gaining it. That's why, on my played list right there on the left under my avatar, there are no asiagrinders, no EQs, no games that make you "lol only 2461 boars left until ding".
It's really this simple. I wanna have fun while leveling, and WAR promised it would deliver.
I'm not rerolling ORder because I want to play a stealthclass and I can't stand the Witchhunter, and I'm perfectly entitled to have this preference.
I'm not changing servers because I am playing on 1 of 2 German OpenRVR/Roleplaying servers, and I don't want to change to an RP normal ruleset nor to an Open RVR, the former is flooded with carebears, the latter is flooded with ganking kids. And a normal server is just un-fun, would be even LESS PvP than now, where I can get my occasional bloodsheds on some dark road to somewhere...
M
edit: Speaks volumes btw that they opened up TWO german OpenRVR/RP servers, a ruleset that normally isn't that popular. There ARE too many servers!
.. I disagree with you. The leveling speed is just fine. I have a level 17 sorceress.. I play her every day. I also have a few level 7-13 characters on destruction (and one order)..
I don't want a game where everyone is max level after a week. Or.. 2.. Or a month. I want a game that takes a while to hit max level.
I'm also sick and tired of reading the "I want to be max level after I log in" Which is what I"m reading. You appear to me, as nothing more than a WoW kiddy raised in the carrot on a stick enviorment. pardon me if I get all self rightous, but when I started playing games, the point of the game was to PLAY.. not reach cap and quit. And remember, the leveling speed is the SAME for everybody.. so if it takes you a week to hit max.. and everyone else a year.. You'd of long since quit.. because.. you'd be playing alone.
Originally posted by markoraos However, Mythic is aware of this problem and in the next patch 1.02 they'll give out xp and renown buffs to underpopulated servers and factions in particular. This will certainly help as well as T3 quest xp reward increases which have already started silently appearing.
I've been thinking about this statement all day and I just can't see it helping any. Not that the intentions are anything less than noble.
Consider how many servers there are right now. Count how many are low/med that could use more people, how many are full and then how many look to full and could benefit from switching to a new server.
I just don't see the xp buff helping spread populations around as there doesn't look to be enough people to fill all the servers. To me it looks like there are just to many servers and maybe the population caps are to low on some of them.
I agree with some of the posters here that most MMO gamers have been spoilt by WoW in terms of leveling speed and grind distraction. WoW made a good job of hiding the grind behind pretty well done quests.
In WAR if you wanna quest/PQ above your level it becomes a little desolate as you have to choose either to fly around or grind mobs/PQs. The quests dry up at each tier so you have to fly to different tiers which breaks up the feeling of continuity.
The alternative is RvR grinding in scenarios which for most will get pretty monotonous.
I find a mix of both is the perfect balance and leveling way above the curve is extremely boring due to lack of RvR. However this is perfect for the casual gamer.
While I'm not sure a game where people are 40 3-4 weeks after release can be called a grind, I would say that the quest system (especially for t4) wouldn't hurt from some additions since some of the PQ loot is horrendous and not worth grinding for.
Other games before had way longer grinding times but now everyone wants a fast fix and is unwilling to do boring stuff to reap the rewards and I don't blame them.
PS: Take advantage of the increased XP and reroll order next patch for those who are contemplating it. Instant scenario Q's combined with the increased XP gain will net you very healthy levels in no time. As order I PvPed solely to 30+ with a couple of PQs thrown in for loot and went from 1-22 in 1.5 days. It should be even faster with the XP bonus.
.. I disagree with you. The leveling speed is just fine. I have a level 17 sorceress.. I play her every day. I also have a few level 7-13 characters on destruction (and one order).. I don't want a game where everyone is max level after a week. Or.. 2.. Or a month. I want a game that takes a while to hit max level. I'm also sick and tired of reading the "I want to be max level after I log in" Which is what I"m reading. You appear to me, as nothing more than a WoW kiddy raised in the carrot on a stick enviorment. pardon me if I get all self rightous, but when I started playing games, the point of the game was to PLAY.. not reach cap and quit. And remember, the leveling speed is the SAME for everybody.. so if it takes you a week to hit max.. and everyone else a year.. You'd of long since quit.. because.. you'd be playing alone.
Jesus F***** Christ look at the friggin "games played" list on the left side of this posting, you can see which games I have played for a longer period of time, and if you click on profile you can see that I'm 27 and that my post history is actually defending WAR.
And see my statement concerning leveling speed above. Btw if you'd hit max regular rank in 2 days it would still take forever to reach renown 80.
You played AC.. then you would know that the game is what's fun.. not sitting at Max level.. Waiting for everyone else to catch up (although, in Ac, you could be Max level.. and still play with others)..
The point I'm getting at.. is that you should find a way to enjoy the game that doesn't seem like a grind.
First off, leveling in WAR is stupidly easy compared to most MMO's so don't complain. I leveled my WL to rank 40 in 6 days played time. Most people just do not understand the quickest way to level. AoE grind PQ's... it is not that hard haha. I am on the SKull Throne server where the population is HIGH but I spent a lot of time online the first 2 weeks so I out leveled most of the players on my server and got NO scenario pops. This means that I relied 100% on quests and PQ's. Don't go solo, it is slow and a waste of time.
You should also realize that there should be NO reason to rush to 40. I realized this too late however. Once you get to 40 there is pretty much NOTHING to do because t4 scenarios pop only about every 30-45 minutes and RvR is not really going on yet. Level up at your current pace with the rest of the casuals and once you hit 40 everyone else will be hitting 40 and then the game will begin.
War to rank 40 = 6 days played
WoW to level 60 (first character) = 17 days played
So if you want a leveling comparison there you go.
I've never heard Mythic stating that leveling to 40 was just the path to the real experience, or anything to that effect. In fact I've heard them say the complete opposite - that WAR isn't about leveling, as you get access to RvR already at tier 1, and keep sieges already at tier 2. It's the same sort of gameplay at any tier, it just becomes more "grand" as you progress through them, culminating at city sieges at tier 4. I like it, as it means there's no need to rush, and I can focus on having fun, rather than trying to get through a chore to get to the "real game". I don't know your source for "pretty fast", but Mythic has stated they expect the average player to reach rank 40 after about 3-4 months of play.
I haven't had the problems you mention with PQs and scenarios. Scenarios are popping for me all the time, and most of the time any PQ I get to - there's people there already doing it. This is on a mid/mid pop server, mind. Did you look at the open groups in the zone? I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least a couple of groups doing PQs.
I agree that the focus needs to shift from scenarios to open world RvR, though. Scenarios are fine and all, but IMO the game will become more fun when there's constant action in the RvR lakes.
They did nerf XP gains from quest since the beta, as people were complaining leveling was too fast. Perhaps they nerfed it a bit too much for tiers 3 and 4. Though, at best, that's a minor gripe that's likely to be alleviated if this opinion reflects the general consensus of the player base.
Personally I haven't done any grinding yet (the highest of my characters is 22, so not quite where you are yet). Usually I do a mix of scenarios and PvE questing/PQs. I haven't even needed to go outside of my battle front yet.
Ok guys, I tend to defend this game usually, but what I encounter now at level 25+ is a joke: Didn't Mythic state that leveling to 40 was - in this game - just the path to the real RvR/PvP experience that comes with level 40 and renown ranks? Didn't they say leveling was pretty fast? How exactly does Mythic define the term "pretty fast"? granted, I'm on a mid (MID, not low) population server and on destruction, so I can't constantly scenario away, and I can't finish public quests because there are no people for it and no LFG to ask for people to join in. So what I CAN do to level up is quests, uum, quests, and umm, grind. Kick RvR, even in a heated battle you gain only by slain enemies, which is a joke, because you get mini portions of XY from killing people and it takes for - ever to gain a level.And by forever I mean theoretically DAYS of played time. It speaks volumes that nobody even does it, leveling only through RvR, everyone, and I'm on an open RvR server, says they go back to PvE when a siege is over.
Now this boils down to: RvR in peak times when RvR happens, PvE most of the time. And PvE boils down to "finish all quests" and change to different campaign area. Before I get to the meat of this rant, let me say that I initially didn't want to play all three campaigns simulatenously but am ultimately forced by this:
Why the hell on earth does level 28 take about 100 quests to complete? And there are not 100, there are 40 in one level-area, throughout all three campaigns, at best. The rest of the time you can see if someone - with luck - does a public quest. If not, you are screwed and doomed to grind - your teeth as well as mobs. I don't know how it may be in high population wonderland where you can join a scenario every 5 minutes. But on a mid populated server I am literally forced to grind if I want to advance -> That's a JOKE, it defies all you, Mythic, said during the whole development period. You said one could level without grinding. Thanks. M
You are not forced to play on a mid to low population server. Stop complaining and roll on a high pop server. Scenarios are easier to get into.. and I agree, PQ's are pretty difficult to find people for at higher levels.. but my guild does PQ grinds daily together. Find a guild. It's not like anything you have on your character right now couldn't be replaced in a couple weeks of playtime on a high pop server.
Ok guys, I tend to defend this game usually, but what I encounter now at level 25+ is a joke: Didn't Mythic state that leveling to 40 was - in this game - just the path to the real RvR/PvP experience that comes with level 40 and renown ranks? Didn't they say leveling was pretty fast? How exactly does Mythic define the term "pretty fast"? granted, I'm on a mid (MID, not low) population server and on destruction, so I can't constantly scenario away, and I can't finish public quests because there are no people for it and no LFG to ask for people to join in. So what I CAN do to level up is quests, uum, quests, and umm, grind. Kick RvR, even in a heated battle you gain only by slain enemies, which is a joke, because you get mini portions of XY from killing people and it takes for - ever to gain a level.And by forever I mean theoretically DAYS of played time. It speaks volumes that nobody even does it, leveling only through RvR, everyone, and I'm on an open RvR server, says they go back to PvE when a siege is over.
Now this boils down to: RvR in peak times when RvR happens, PvE most of the time. And PvE boils down to "finish all quests" and change to different campaign area. Before I get to the meat of this rant, let me say that I initially didn't want to play all three campaigns simulatenously but am ultimately forced by this:
Why the hell on earth does level 28 take about 100 quests to complete? And there are not 100, there are 40 in one level-area, throughout all three campaigns, at best. The rest of the time you can see if someone - with luck - does a public quest. If not, you are screwed and doomed to grind - your teeth as well as mobs. I don't know how it may be in high population wonderland where you can join a scenario every 5 minutes. But on a mid populated server I am literally forced to grind if I want to advance -> That's a JOKE, it defies all you, Mythic, said during the whole development period. You said one could level without grinding. Thanks. M
You are not forced to play on a mid to low population server. Stop complaining and roll on a high pop server. Scenarios are easier to get into.. and I agree, PQ's are pretty difficult to find people for at higher levels.. but my guild does PQ grinds daily together. Find a guild. It's not like anything you have on your character right now couldn't be replaced in a couple weeks of playtime on a high pop server.
Don't blame Mythic, blame yourself.
so as i see it the thing is mythic should have about 10 servers and it's the players fault they made 55 and most are barren but it is the players fault they rolled on a server provided by mythic
Ok guys, I tend to defend this game usually, but what I encounter now at level 25+ is a joke: Didn't Mythic state that leveling to 40 was - in this game - just the path to the real RvR/PvP experience that comes with level 40 and renown ranks? Didn't they say leveling was pretty fast? How exactly does Mythic define the term "pretty fast"? granted, I'm on a mid (MID, not low) population server and on destruction, so I can't constantly scenario away, and I can't finish public quests because there are no people for it and no LFG to ask for people to join in. So what I CAN do to level up is quests, uum, quests, and umm, grind. Kick RvR, even in a heated battle you gain only by slain enemies, which is a joke, because you get mini portions of XY from killing people and it takes for - ever to gain a level.And by forever I mean theoretically DAYS of played time. It speaks volumes that nobody even does it, leveling only through RvR, everyone, and I'm on an open RvR server, says they go back to PvE when a siege is over.
Now this boils down to: RvR in peak times when RvR happens, PvE most of the time. And PvE boils down to "finish all quests" and change to different campaign area. Before I get to the meat of this rant, let me say that I initially didn't want to play all three campaigns simulatenously but am ultimately forced by this:
Why the hell on earth does level 28 take about 100 quests to complete? And there are not 100, there are 40 in one level-area, throughout all three campaigns, at best. The rest of the time you can see if someone - with luck - does a public quest. If not, you are screwed and doomed to grind - your teeth as well as mobs. I don't know how it may be in high population wonderland where you can join a scenario every 5 minutes. But on a mid populated server I am literally forced to grind if I want to advance -> That's a JOKE, it defies all you, Mythic, said during the whole development period. You said one could level without grinding. Thanks. M
rofl
what the heck has happened to propper gamers,
I made 25-30 in a couple days and I did just quests SOLO... sheesh if you Really think its a grind you should give up mmo's as WAR is a joke with no real mature content and so easy to lvl even without scenarios its a joke
I guess if you have no job and your mom does everything for you... then you'd have 20 hours a day to play. At around rank 20, quests only give you 2-3% of your level. Now, maybe you could get to 20 in 3-4 days of being an uber nerd, but 30 is an impossibility unless you work for a leveling service, in which you work in shifts.
They need to drop the xp you get from scenarios.. so that you're forced to go out and PvE because you're renown doesn't go higher than your XP. Which would help populate the RvR lakes in turn.
Ok guys, I tend to defend this game usually, but what I encounter now at level 25+ is a joke: Didn't Mythic state that leveling to 40 was - in this game - just the path to the real RvR/PvP experience that comes with level 40 and renown ranks? Didn't they say leveling was pretty fast? How exactly does Mythic define the term "pretty fast"? granted, I'm on a mid (MID, not low) population server and on destruction, so I can't constantly scenario away, and I can't finish public quests because there are no people for it and no LFG to ask for people to join in. So what I CAN do to level up is quests, uum, quests, and umm, grind. Kick RvR, even in a heated battle you gain only by slain enemies, which is a joke, because you get mini portions of XY from killing people and it takes for - ever to gain a level.And by forever I mean theoretically DAYS of played time. It speaks volumes that nobody even does it, leveling only through RvR, everyone, and I'm on an open RvR server, says they go back to PvE when a siege is over.
Now this boils down to: RvR in peak times when RvR happens, PvE most of the time. And PvE boils down to "finish all quests" and change to different campaign area. Before I get to the meat of this rant, let me say that I initially didn't want to play all three campaigns simulatenously but am ultimately forced by this:
Why the hell on earth does level 28 take about 100 quests to complete? And there are not 100, there are 40 in one level-area, throughout all three campaigns, at best. The rest of the time you can see if someone - with luck - does a public quest. If not, you are screwed and doomed to grind - your teeth as well as mobs. I don't know how it may be in high population wonderland where you can join a scenario every 5 minutes. But on a mid populated server I am literally forced to grind if I want to advance -> That's a JOKE, it defies all you, Mythic, said during the whole development period. You said one could level without grinding. Thanks. M
You are not forced to play on a mid to low population server. Stop complaining and roll on a high pop server. Scenarios are easier to get into.. and I agree, PQ's are pretty difficult to find people for at higher levels.. but my guild does PQ grinds daily together. Find a guild. It's not like anything you have on your character right now couldn't be replaced in a couple weeks of playtime on a high pop server.
Don't blame Mythic, blame yourself.
so as i see it the thing is mythic should have about 10 servers and it's the players fault they made 55 and most are barren but it is the players fault they rolled on a server provided by mythic
Yes, actually.. if someone builds a bridge, are you forced to jump off the top of it or are you going to curse them for making the bridge in the first place?
Instead of pinning the blame on someone that gives you the opportunity for something, pin the blame on yourself for making a stupid decision. If you choose to roll on a low pop server, it is YOUR fault, not Mythics.
Originally posted by Meridion Ok guys, I tend to defend this game usually, but what I encounter now at level 25+ is a joke: Didn't Mythic state that leveling to 40 was - in this game - just the path to the real RvR/PvP experience that comes with level 40 and renown ranks? Didn't they say leveling was pretty fast? How exactly does Mythic define the term "pretty fast"? granted, I'm on a mid (MID, not low) population server and on destruction, so I can't constantly scenario away, and I can't finish public quests because there are no people for it and no LFG to ask for people to join in. So what I CAN do to level up is quests, uum, quests, and umm, grind. Kick RvR, even in a heated battle you gain only by slain enemies, which is a joke, because you get mini portions of XY from killing people and it takes for - ever to gain a level.And by forever I mean theoretically DAYS of played time. It speaks volumes that nobody even does it, leveling only through RvR, everyone, and I'm on an open RvR server, says they go back to PvE when a siege is over.Now this boils down to: RvR in peak times when RvR happens, PvE most of the time. And PvE boils down to "finish all quests" and change to different campaign area. Before I get to the meat of this rant, let me say that I initially didn't want to play all three campaigns simulatenously but am ultimately forced by this:Why the hell on earth does level 28 take about 100 quests to complete? And there are not 100, there are 40 in one level-area, throughout all three campaigns, at best. The rest of the time you can see if someone - with luck - does a public quest. If not, you are screwed and doomed to grind - your teeth as well as mobs. I don't know how it may be in high population wonderland where you can join a scenario every 5 minutes. But on a mid populated server I am literally forced to grind if I want to advance -> That's a JOKE, it defies all you, Mythic, said during the whole development period. You said one could level without grinding. Thanks. M
I'm not experiencing that problem.. Still takes me about 4 hours to level. Lvl 26. I get scenarios every 30 seconds when i want them but honestly they bore me after a few.
And dont forget, if you picked a high or full server, and the population goes down, it will again be your fault,becuase you didnt stop playing on that server and move to another one.
AND you could have called the psychic hotline before picking your server ,but you didnt did you :P
Ok guys, I tend to defend this game usually, but what I encounter now at level 25+ is a joke: Didn't Mythic state that leveling to 40 was - in this game - just the path to the real RvR/PvP experience that comes with level 40 and renown ranks? Didn't they say leveling was pretty fast? How exactly does Mythic define the term "pretty fast"? granted, I'm on a mid (MID, not low) population server and on destruction, so I can't constantly scenario away, and I can't finish public quests because there are no people for it and no LFG to ask for people to join in. So what I CAN do to level up is quests, uum, quests, and umm, grind. Kick RvR, even in a heated battle you gain only by slain enemies, which is a joke, because you get mini portions of XY from killing people and it takes for - ever to gain a level.And by forever I mean theoretically DAYS of played time. It speaks volumes that nobody even does it, leveling only through RvR, everyone, and I'm on an open RvR server, says they go back to PvE when a siege is over.
Now this boils down to: RvR in peak times when RvR happens, PvE most of the time. And PvE boils down to "finish all quests" and change to different campaign area. Before I get to the meat of this rant, let me say that I initially didn't want to play all three campaigns simulatenously but am ultimately forced by this:
Why the hell on earth does level 28 take about 100 quests to complete? And there are not 100, there are 40 in one level-area, throughout all three campaigns, at best. The rest of the time you can see if someone - with luck - does a public quest. If not, you are screwed and doomed to grind - your teeth as well as mobs. I don't know how it may be in high population wonderland where you can join a scenario every 5 minutes. But on a mid populated server I am literally forced to grind if I want to advance -> That's a JOKE, it defies all you, Mythic, said during the whole development period. You said one could level without grinding. Thanks. M
You are not forced to play on a mid to low population server. Stop complaining and roll on a high pop server. Scenarios are easier to get into.. and I agree, PQ's are pretty difficult to find people for at higher levels.. but my guild does PQ grinds daily together. Find a guild. It's not like anything you have on your character right now couldn't be replaced in a couple weeks of playtime on a high pop server.
Don't blame Mythic, blame yourself.
so as i see it the thing is mythic should have about 10 servers and it's the players fault they made 55 and most are barren but it is the players fault they rolled on a server provided by mythic
Yes, actually.. if someone builds a bridge, are you forced to jump off the top of it or are you going to curse them for making the bridge in the first place?
Instead of pinning the blame on someone that gives you the opportunity for something, pin the blame on yourself for making a stupid decision. If you choose to roll on a low pop server, it is YOUR fault, not Mythics.
i know wasting $50 on this game was stupid but i'm getting over it in my own way
Personally, I'm glad it's taking awhile to level up. I hate being left behind since I am a pretty casual gamer now that I have a child to look after. I feel I actually get to enjoy the game and all of it's content at my own pace, instead of having to race to the level cap just to have "fun". Also, the longer it takes to level, the longer I will be playing this game and the longer I will have things to look forward to, which is great for me.
I played WoW since launch, and one of my biggest gripes before finally cancelling was that there was not enough variety in the Battlegrounds. After 4 years, they had the same stale BGs that they always did, and while I loved BG pvp, I couldn't stand to set foot in the BGs after the 50,000th time. WAR so far has been a huge breath of fresh air for me. I only hope that they will keep the scenerios fresh year after year, perhaps cycle in some new ones with different textures every 6 months or something.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
And dont forget, if you picked a high or full server, and the population goes down, it will again be your fault,becuase you didnt stop playing on that server and move to another one. AND you could have called the psychic hotline before picking your server ,but you didnt did you :P
THANK YOU!
I wish people would stop blaming the players for the low population problems that a decent size of the game is going through.
Mythic released to many servers and/or kept the population caps to low. Do you blame people who chose white lions/squig herders for the problems that pets have with pathing?
For the record, switching servers isn't that easy and quite honestly is a total crap shoot. If you have friends on the server do you leave them? What about your guild or the time invested in your characters? All my real life friends are T3+. We are in a solid guild with a great alliance and do some nice organized PvP events. We even have a neat little rivalry going on with a destruction guild. Life might change when I catch up to them, but it doesn't solve the low population problem I am stuck in currently that makes the game really boring.
There are to many low/med population servers and the answer to that problem should not be put on the players to migrate. More than likely that will just congest the few servers that are populated.
.. I disagree with you. The leveling speed is just fine. I have a level 17 sorceress.. I play her every day. I also have a few level 7-13 characters on destruction (and one order).. I don't want a game where everyone is max level after a week. Or.. 2.. Or a month. I want a game that takes a while to hit max level. I'm also sick and tired of reading the "I want to be max level after I log in" Which is what I"m reading. You appear to me, as nothing more than a WoW kiddy raised in the carrot on a stick enviorment. pardon me if I get all self rightous, but when I started playing games, the point of the game was to PLAY.. not reach cap and quit. And remember, the leveling speed is the SAME for everybody.. so if it takes you a week to hit max.. and everyone else a year.. You'd of long since quit.. because.. you'd be playing alone.
Jesus F***** Christ look at the friggin "games played" list on the left side of this posting, you can see which games I have played for a longer period of time, and if you click on profile you can see that I'm 27 and that my post history is actually defending WAR.
And see my statement concerning leveling speed above. Btw if you'd hit max regular rank in 2 days it would still take forever to reach renown 80.
O M G. You know, if we could just GET more Warhammer players that would gleefully TRASH people by calling them "WoW kiddies," wouldn't that just be fkin' lovely? /end sarcasm
Some people obviously read the words you wrote, and are incapable of actually understanding what you were SAYING.
Also....gotta love the people that say, "What kind of idiot are you rolling on a low or mid pop server?" My response to that is simple....
When I started playing WAR, I thought the game was going to have a MASSIVE number of people playing it. It never even crossed my mind that the servers would not MOSTLY, if not ALL, fill up fairly quickly. But that has not been the case.
Also, people are saying "QQ...reroll." Uhm yeah. Okay, why should someone be forced to reroll and to reroll the OPPOSITE faction from what they want to play? Why? If you ask ME...Mythic has a lot of crap to fix here with the population issues, because WAR is a game that is definitely more "fun" when you are on a high/high pop server. They obviously did not get enough people playing to support servers being high/high 24/7. Therefore....for gamers who may work odd hours, or for some OTHER reason, cannot play during peak hours....they're just plain screwed. WAY TO GO MYTHIC! Make a game that REQUIRES high pop to "get all of what the game was meant to be"....and then don't provide a way to HAVE that kind of population all the time.
I think some of the posters in this thread would rather just blame the OP for finding a problem, than blame Mythic (OOoooo heaven FORBID) for screwing up in this area.
And these are SOME (not ALL) of the reasons that I'm not playing now that the free month is over. I'm pretty sure, from the posts I've seen around, regarding some of these same issues, that a lot of people are feeling this same thing.
So try dogging the OP LESS and actually LOOKING at the fact that even if YOUR sweet server doesn't have issues, the fact that SOME DO....is not the problem of the gamers who chose Destruction, or chose Order, or chose that med or low pop server....it's MYTHIC'S problem for having game mechanics that force people in to NOT being able to make those choices without it affecting the "fun factor" of the game.
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OH YEAH...and what the poster above this post says...THAT TOO.
Dude, why do you want everything handed to you? Cause thats what it seems.
Now I do see you defend WAR in alot of threads, and I don't defend it I tell it how it is. And guess what, you have to earn your lvls. Now when this game was stated casual player friendly, they ment you did not need to be maxed out in lvl, gear, renown. They ment that seigng, scenario's and PQ's are open to all.
It was funny cause someone quoted being unemployed and having mommy do everything for him. Sure theres tons of those around. Thats mmo's. I would say well over 50 pct of the pop ofany game are unemployed. Well over. But some go to school, some are just bumbs. People in school an easily play 5-6 hours a day and still have a social life. But thats beside the point.
The game is fine for lvling, why does everyone expect a game to bend to the way they and some others think it should. As a whole the game is fine minus bugs and glitches which are expected. If grinding for lvls is something you don't like doing then you should not be playing mmo's.
Think about it this way, at lvl 20 your halfway there. So what happens in every other frickin game at that point? It gets more grindy.
Peoples expectations of this game are pathetic. They really are. MMO's are all based around grind, kill,grind. That will never change.
I hear Hello Kitty might be good for some of you guys though, no grind and full of cuddles
If this was a PvE scentric game like WoW, I could see your point. In Vanguard, leveling speed was slow slow slow, in line with the old style MMOs, but it has since been increased to make it easier. The normal fanbase does not like this and wanted it slow, so yes its a bit of a joke.
Warhammer however, is the spiritual successor to Dark Age of Camelot. In DAoC, leveling was long and painful, one of the hardest grinds in memory for me. The problem with this was PvE wasn't the focus of the game, so you forced people down this grueling grind treadmill before they could get to the fun part of the game, level 50 RvR. Mythic has learned from their mistakes and made it so that not only is leveling not a huge chore, but you can do it while RvRing (an addition they made to Camelot that proved quite popular).
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Levelling is not a joke. You don't like the speed. You have been spoiled by WoW. Ask yourself what you like best about MMOs.
Do you like to explore every nook and cranny? WAR is huge. Lots of places to go and Tome unlocks.
Do you like PvP? Scenarios are the fastest exp and Reknown out there
Do you like raids? Keep captures and defense are increasing and raid dungeons are out there.
PvE - Public Quests, quests are everywhere . City quests and dungeons too
Crafting - WAR seems to have a rapid progession in crafting. Downside here is it seems to have little impact on your performance.
If you want to get to 40 in a week, return to Warcraft. Warhammer is a game where you can enjoy the ride to the endgame versus tolerate the ride to grind endgame raids.
I've hit level 20, almost 21, and there's MASSES of PVE content I haven't touched. Zero tome/lore unlocks sinze my first zone. My map is covered with little green 'quest here' pimples. I could roll up another elf alt just to do the PVE content I've leveled past, at this point. Done no quests in the other tiers.
And, actually, Mythic said that they wanted the entire 1-40 experience to be fun; the game isn't supposed to be a mad race to 40 to 'start playing'. You can engage in scenarios and RVR content from about level 5 on.
I am a High Elf on Ostermark or Ostergard, something like that. I went for an RP server, and they usually have lower populations. No matter when I play, though, I usually get scenarios popping between every 5 and 15 minutes.
I really hate the "blink and you miss it" leveling of most modern games. I like the pace of WAR.
I don't care how long it takes to gain a level guys, I care how I spend the time gaining it. That's why, on my played list right there on the left under my avatar, there are no asiagrinders, no EQs, no games that make you "lol only 2461 boars left until ding".
It's really this simple. I wanna have fun while leveling, and WAR promised it would deliver.
I'm not rerolling ORder because I want to play a stealthclass and I can't stand the Witchhunter, and I'm perfectly entitled to have this preference.
I'm not changing servers because I am playing on 1 of 2 German OpenRVR/Roleplaying servers, and I don't want to change to an RP normal ruleset nor to an Open RVR, the former is flooded with carebears, the latter is flooded with ganking kids. And a normal server is just un-fun, would be even LESS PvP than now, where I can get my occasional bloodsheds on some dark road to somewhere...
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edit: Speaks volumes btw that they opened up TWO german OpenRVR/RP servers, a ruleset that normally isn't that popular. There ARE too many servers!
. I read the original posters thread..
.. I disagree with you. The leveling speed is just fine. I have a level 17 sorceress.. I play her every day. I also have a few level 7-13 characters on destruction (and one order)..
I don't want a game where everyone is max level after a week. Or.. 2.. Or a month. I want a game that takes a while to hit max level.
I'm also sick and tired of reading the "I want to be max level after I log in" Which is what I"m reading. You appear to me, as nothing more than a WoW kiddy raised in the carrot on a stick enviorment. pardon me if I get all self rightous, but when I started playing games, the point of the game was to PLAY.. not reach cap and quit. And remember, the leveling speed is the SAME for everybody.. so if it takes you a week to hit max.. and everyone else a year.. You'd of long since quit.. because.. you'd be playing alone.
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I've been thinking about this statement all day and I just can't see it helping any. Not that the intentions are anything less than noble.
Consider how many servers there are right now. Count how many are low/med that could use more people, how many are full and then how many look to full and could benefit from switching to a new server.
I just don't see the xp buff helping spread populations around as there doesn't look to be enough people to fill all the servers. To me it looks like there are just to many servers and maybe the population caps are to low on some of them.
I agree with some of the posters here that most MMO gamers have been spoilt by WoW in terms of leveling speed and grind distraction. WoW made a good job of hiding the grind behind pretty well done quests.
In WAR if you wanna quest/PQ above your level it becomes a little desolate as you have to choose either to fly around or grind mobs/PQs. The quests dry up at each tier so you have to fly to different tiers which breaks up the feeling of continuity.
The alternative is RvR grinding in scenarios which for most will get pretty monotonous.
I find a mix of both is the perfect balance and leveling way above the curve is extremely boring due to lack of RvR. However this is perfect for the casual gamer.
While I'm not sure a game where people are 40 3-4 weeks after release can be called a grind, I would say that the quest system (especially for t4) wouldn't hurt from some additions since some of the PQ loot is horrendous and not worth grinding for.
Other games before had way longer grinding times but now everyone wants a fast fix and is unwilling to do boring stuff to reap the rewards and I don't blame them.
PS: Take advantage of the increased XP and reroll order next patch for those who are contemplating it. Instant scenario Q's combined with the increased XP gain will net you very healthy levels in no time. As order I PvPed solely to 30+ with a couple of PQs thrown in for loot and went from 1-22 in 1.5 days. It should be even faster with the XP bonus.
Jesus F***** Christ look at the friggin "games played" list on the left side of this posting, you can see which games I have played for a longer period of time, and if you click on profile you can see that I'm 27 and that my post history is actually defending WAR.
And see my statement concerning leveling speed above. Btw if you'd hit max regular rank in 2 days it would still take forever to reach renown 80.
You played AC.. then you would know that the game is what's fun.. not sitting at Max level.. Waiting for everyone else to catch up (although, in Ac, you could be Max level.. and still play with others)..
The point I'm getting at.. is that you should find a way to enjoy the game that doesn't seem like a grind.
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waaa omg leveling is too hard and I cant do PQ's
waaa no one is doing RvR with me
lvling iz 2 hard!!!!!
get friends OR L2P
or quit
I play all ghame
Remember when WoW was released and people constanly complained that the leveling was too easy/fast. lol
First off, leveling in WAR is stupidly easy compared to most MMO's so don't complain. I leveled my WL to rank 40 in 6 days played time. Most people just do not understand the quickest way to level. AoE grind PQ's... it is not that hard haha. I am on the SKull Throne server where the population is HIGH but I spent a lot of time online the first 2 weeks so I out leveled most of the players on my server and got NO scenario pops. This means that I relied 100% on quests and PQ's. Don't go solo, it is slow and a waste of time.
You should also realize that there should be NO reason to rush to 40. I realized this too late however. Once you get to 40 there is pretty much NOTHING to do because t4 scenarios pop only about every 30-45 minutes and RvR is not really going on yet. Level up at your current pace with the rest of the casuals and once you hit 40 everyone else will be hitting 40 and then the game will begin.
War to rank 40 = 6 days played
WoW to level 60 (first character) = 17 days played
So if you want a leveling comparison there you go.
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To the OP:
I've never heard Mythic stating that leveling to 40 was just the path to the real experience, or anything to that effect. In fact I've heard them say the complete opposite - that WAR isn't about leveling, as you get access to RvR already at tier 1, and keep sieges already at tier 2. It's the same sort of gameplay at any tier, it just becomes more "grand" as you progress through them, culminating at city sieges at tier 4. I like it, as it means there's no need to rush, and I can focus on having fun, rather than trying to get through a chore to get to the "real game". I don't know your source for "pretty fast", but Mythic has stated they expect the average player to reach rank 40 after about 3-4 months of play.
I haven't had the problems you mention with PQs and scenarios. Scenarios are popping for me all the time, and most of the time any PQ I get to - there's people there already doing it. This is on a mid/mid pop server, mind. Did you look at the open groups in the zone? I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least a couple of groups doing PQs.
I agree that the focus needs to shift from scenarios to open world RvR, though. Scenarios are fine and all, but IMO the game will become more fun when there's constant action in the RvR lakes.
They did nerf XP gains from quest since the beta, as people were complaining leveling was too fast. Perhaps they nerfed it a bit too much for tiers 3 and 4. Though, at best, that's a minor gripe that's likely to be alleviated if this opinion reflects the general consensus of the player base.
Personally I haven't done any grinding yet (the highest of my characters is 22, so not quite where you are yet). Usually I do a mix of scenarios and PvE questing/PQs. I haven't even needed to go outside of my battle front yet.
You are not forced to play on a mid to low population server. Stop complaining and roll on a high pop server. Scenarios are easier to get into.. and I agree, PQ's are pretty difficult to find people for at higher levels.. but my guild does PQ grinds daily together. Find a guild. It's not like anything you have on your character right now couldn't be replaced in a couple weeks of playtime on a high pop server.
Don't blame Mythic, blame yourself.
You are not forced to play on a mid to low population server. Stop complaining and roll on a high pop server. Scenarios are easier to get into.. and I agree, PQ's are pretty difficult to find people for at higher levels.. but my guild does PQ grinds daily together. Find a guild. It's not like anything you have on your character right now couldn't be replaced in a couple weeks of playtime on a high pop server.
Don't blame Mythic, blame yourself.
so as i see it the thing is mythic should have about 10 servers and it's the players fault they made 55 and most are barren but it is the players fault they rolled on a server provided by mythic
rofl
what the heck has happened to propper gamers,
I made 25-30 in a couple days and I did just quests SOLO... sheesh if you Really think its a grind you should give up mmo's as WAR is a joke with no real mature content and so easy to lvl even without scenarios its a joke
I guess if you have no job and your mom does everything for you... then you'd have 20 hours a day to play. At around rank 20, quests only give you 2-3% of your level. Now, maybe you could get to 20 in 3-4 days of being an uber nerd, but 30 is an impossibility unless you work for a leveling service, in which you work in shifts.
They need to drop the xp you get from scenarios.. so that you're forced to go out and PvE because you're renown doesn't go higher than your XP. Which would help populate the RvR lakes in turn.
You are not forced to play on a mid to low population server. Stop complaining and roll on a high pop server. Scenarios are easier to get into.. and I agree, PQ's are pretty difficult to find people for at higher levels.. but my guild does PQ grinds daily together. Find a guild. It's not like anything you have on your character right now couldn't be replaced in a couple weeks of playtime on a high pop server.
Don't blame Mythic, blame yourself.
so as i see it the thing is mythic should have about 10 servers and it's the players fault they made 55 and most are barren but it is the players fault they rolled on a server provided by mythic
Yes, actually.. if someone builds a bridge, are you forced to jump off the top of it or are you going to curse them for making the bridge in the first place?
Instead of pinning the blame on someone that gives you the opportunity for something, pin the blame on yourself for making a stupid decision. If you choose to roll on a low pop server, it is YOUR fault, not Mythics.
Play or don't. I love this game. I want to see where it goes, because the beginning of this adventure is fricking AMAZING. Great job Mythic.
I'm not experiencing that problem.. Still takes me about 4 hours to level. Lvl 26. I get scenarios every 30 seconds when i want them but honestly they bore me after a few.
Make a difference!
And dont forget, if you picked a high or full server, and the population goes down, it will again be your fault,becuase you didnt stop playing on that server and move to another one.
AND you could have called the psychic hotline before picking your server ,but you didnt did you :P
You are not forced to play on a mid to low population server. Stop complaining and roll on a high pop server. Scenarios are easier to get into.. and I agree, PQ's are pretty difficult to find people for at higher levels.. but my guild does PQ grinds daily together. Find a guild. It's not like anything you have on your character right now couldn't be replaced in a couple weeks of playtime on a high pop server.
Don't blame Mythic, blame yourself.
so as i see it the thing is mythic should have about 10 servers and it's the players fault they made 55 and most are barren but it is the players fault they rolled on a server provided by mythic
Yes, actually.. if someone builds a bridge, are you forced to jump off the top of it or are you going to curse them for making the bridge in the first place?
Instead of pinning the blame on someone that gives you the opportunity for something, pin the blame on yourself for making a stupid decision. If you choose to roll on a low pop server, it is YOUR fault, not Mythics.
i know wasting $50 on this game was stupid but i'm getting over it in my own way
Personally, I'm glad it's taking awhile to level up. I hate being left behind since I am a pretty casual gamer now that I have a child to look after. I feel I actually get to enjoy the game and all of it's content at my own pace, instead of having to race to the level cap just to have "fun". Also, the longer it takes to level, the longer I will be playing this game and the longer I will have things to look forward to, which is great for me.
I played WoW since launch, and one of my biggest gripes before finally cancelling was that there was not enough variety in the Battlegrounds. After 4 years, they had the same stale BGs that they always did, and while I loved BG pvp, I couldn't stand to set foot in the BGs after the 50,000th time. WAR so far has been a huge breath of fresh air for me. I only hope that they will keep the scenerios fresh year after year, perhaps cycle in some new ones with different textures every 6 months or something.
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I wish people would stop blaming the players for the low population problems that a decent size of the game is going through.
Mythic released to many servers and/or kept the population caps to low. Do you blame people who chose white lions/squig herders for the problems that pets have with pathing?
For the record, switching servers isn't that easy and quite honestly is a total crap shoot. If you have friends on the server do you leave them? What about your guild or the time invested in your characters? All my real life friends are T3+. We are in a solid guild with a great alliance and do some nice organized PvP events. We even have a neat little rivalry going on with a destruction guild. Life might change when I catch up to them, but it doesn't solve the low population problem I am stuck in currently that makes the game really boring.
There are to many low/med population servers and the answer to that problem should not be put on the players to migrate. More than likely that will just congest the few servers that are populated.
Jesus F***** Christ look at the friggin "games played" list on the left side of this posting, you can see which games I have played for a longer period of time, and if you click on profile you can see that I'm 27 and that my post history is actually defending WAR.
And see my statement concerning leveling speed above. Btw if you'd hit max regular rank in 2 days it would still take forever to reach renown 80.
O M G. You know, if we could just GET more Warhammer players that would gleefully TRASH people by calling them "WoW kiddies," wouldn't that just be fkin' lovely? /end sarcasm
Some people obviously read the words you wrote, and are incapable of actually understanding what you were SAYING.
Also....gotta love the people that say, "What kind of idiot are you rolling on a low or mid pop server?" My response to that is simple....
When I started playing WAR, I thought the game was going to have a MASSIVE number of people playing it. It never even crossed my mind that the servers would not MOSTLY, if not ALL, fill up fairly quickly. But that has not been the case.
Also, people are saying "QQ...reroll." Uhm yeah. Okay, why should someone be forced to reroll and to reroll the OPPOSITE faction from what they want to play? Why? If you ask ME...Mythic has a lot of crap to fix here with the population issues, because WAR is a game that is definitely more "fun" when you are on a high/high pop server. They obviously did not get enough people playing to support servers being high/high 24/7. Therefore....for gamers who may work odd hours, or for some OTHER reason, cannot play during peak hours....they're just plain screwed. WAY TO GO MYTHIC! Make a game that REQUIRES high pop to "get all of what the game was meant to be"....and then don't provide a way to HAVE that kind of population all the time.
I think some of the posters in this thread would rather just blame the OP for finding a problem, than blame Mythic (OOoooo heaven FORBID) for screwing up in this area.
And these are SOME (not ALL) of the reasons that I'm not playing now that the free month is over. I'm pretty sure, from the posts I've seen around, regarding some of these same issues, that a lot of people are feeling this same thing.
So try dogging the OP LESS and actually LOOKING at the fact that even if YOUR sweet server doesn't have issues, the fact that SOME DO....is not the problem of the gamers who chose Destruction, or chose Order, or chose that med or low pop server....it's MYTHIC'S problem for having game mechanics that force people in to NOT being able to make those choices without it affecting the "fun factor" of the game.
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OH YEAH...and what the poster above this post says...THAT TOO.
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Dude, why do you want everything handed to you? Cause thats what it seems.
Now I do see you defend WAR in alot of threads, and I don't defend it I tell it how it is. And guess what, you have to earn your lvls. Now when this game was stated casual player friendly, they ment you did not need to be maxed out in lvl, gear, renown. They ment that seigng, scenario's and PQ's are open to all.
It was funny cause someone quoted being unemployed and having mommy do everything for him. Sure theres tons of those around. Thats mmo's. I would say well over 50 pct of the pop ofany game are unemployed. Well over. But some go to school, some are just bumbs. People in school an easily play 5-6 hours a day and still have a social life. But thats beside the point.
The game is fine for lvling, why does everyone expect a game to bend to the way they and some others think it should. As a whole the game is fine minus bugs and glitches which are expected. If grinding for lvls is something you don't like doing then you should not be playing mmo's.
Think about it this way, at lvl 20 your halfway there. So what happens in every other frickin game at that point? It gets more grindy.
Peoples expectations of this game are pathetic. They really are. MMO's are all based around grind, kill,grind. That will never change.
I hear Hello Kitty might be good for some of you guys though, no grind and full of cuddles
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If this was a PvE scentric game like WoW, I could see your point. In Vanguard, leveling speed was slow slow slow, in line with the old style MMOs, but it has since been increased to make it easier. The normal fanbase does not like this and wanted it slow, so yes its a bit of a joke.
Warhammer however, is the spiritual successor to Dark Age of Camelot. In DAoC, leveling was long and painful, one of the hardest grinds in memory for me. The problem with this was PvE wasn't the focus of the game, so you forced people down this grueling grind treadmill before they could get to the fun part of the game, level 50 RvR. Mythic has learned from their mistakes and made it so that not only is leveling not a huge chore, but you can do it while RvRing (an addition they made to Camelot that proved quite popular).
This is an RvR game, your argument has no weight.
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