I'm criticizing it for being repetative because i think it is. Just like you think it's not. So that's why I am. To your knowledge? lol ok I'm saying sieging WILL GET boring. How many times do you really think you can do it? MMORPG's are supposed to keep you entertained this one won't after a while. So yes same old boring MMORPG's that everybody is bringing out. Nothing new same map in top right corner, same spells at the bottom, press these same buttons for this. All MMORPG's are the same just different ones use different things from each one. Nothing new in this game.
Everything gets boring eventually. Thats a fact of reality.
What I am trying to point out is that RvR has the highest replayability of anything MMORPG's can offer. Note: I am NOT saying that RvR is ENDLESSLY replayable! Nothing can be.
..but then I notice you liked SWG before SOE cocked it up. So are you telling me that SWG (as it was) would never ever get boring? No, of course it would. Eventually.
So the argument is really about HOW LONG before sieging gets boring, isn't it?
So why do you think sieging will get boring quickly? Theres lots of variation and possibilities in PvP so I cant see people getting tired of it soon.
EDIT: Guy above me noticed you clocked 700 hours of WoW.. you've really lost credibility with that revelation. lol.
Really sorry to hear that you think that was great gaming and an awesome experience! So I gather you plan on just doing keeps forever and ever? Let us know when it becomes old ok, that way we can say told ya so
Lol, u crazy?
WAR is not a "siege that keep" game. If you haven't noticed there is a "few" other things to do in this game.
In all my MMO experience I haven't played a game with so many different activities you can switch to and from at almost a moment's notice.
solo questing(same as any other game), public quests(same thing each chapter and tier)
no, nope have you done any of the heroic ones? or the one in elven tier 2 when you're advancing over a battlefield with 20+ mobs fighting by your side against waves of infantry, cavalry etc?
- solo for grinders and group for raiders, exploration outside the quest system(ummmmm no)
yes, have you even really tried to play the game?
scenarios(same old bg's) no, by far
keep sieging(isn't this instanced?)
no they aren't you obviously havent even played the game AT ALL,
skirmish RvR(only remotely fun if you're on a high pop. server)
no, i play on low pop and have a blast capping all the objectives with my strike team while they're trying to figure out where we are
crafting (no really, isn't a blast but you can do it)(the worst crafting i've seen)
it's a bit sparse at the moment but the basic principles are very sound
instanced dungeons (have you found any yet?)(no, but equipment drops are horrible in game anyways)
go play WoW then for your purplaz, my guild made a few runs in altdorf sewers and our capital city leveled shortly after in part due to our efforts - you can keep your purplaz, oh and btw have you seen mt Gunbad yet? oh sorry I forgot you're not actually playing the game because you don't know that keep sieges aren't instanced
guild politics(seems exciting)
yes it is actually. guild alliances are active and meaningful here
realm strategy(coordinated by who? you going to get 30 people to listen lol nope)
oh yes you can - guild alliances and coordination on the level of guilds - we are already doing it on our server
twinking in T1 without breaking the game(fun?)
yes - casual nice fun, i have an alt just for that when I want to do some CS-style incognito casual PvP
AH trading(so) it's here if you want it
tome unlocks...(hard to do if you're RvR like everybody says you should)
who is everybody? the devs certainly aren't
All of those activities are easily accessible and rewarding. I don't really see what's this "siege the keep until you die" notion. It is ridiculous even saying it. Are you sure you're not talking about some other game?
Your remark about keep sieging being instanced reveals you as being a sordid troll who obviously hasn't even played the game.... or made an effort to actually get informed about it. Good bye and good riddance.
It's fun when it happens, but unfortunatly Mythic prefers people to be afk in Scenarios. Once there is a reason for people to do sieges and there is a big shift away from scenarios then this game will shine. Until that happens this is just another grindfest MMO.
Grindfest?????? lvl 40 in 2 weeks is a grind now is it lol.... please.. shoot me
It isn't to hard to level to max in most games in a few weeks. It all boils down to how entertaining and rewarding the journey is.
Some people define grind by the amount of experience awarded doing tasks in game [scenarios, quests, pvp, etc]. Others define it by the amount of time needed to reach a goal. You may not think leveling to max in 2 weeks is grinding, but for me that would be a total grindfest where gaining the most amount of experience per activity was more important than enjoying the game. I'm not looking down on your acheivement at all. In fact that is most likely what I will do when I get a character or two to max level.
I've played games were it tooks many months to reach end game and never felt like I was grinding. The reverse is true where I felt the entire game was a grind.
So far Warhammer is falling somewhere in between that. Quests in the world just do not offer enough reward for their time. At my current level I estimate it will take me somewhere around 35-50 PvE quests to reach a new level. If the quests were entertaining it wouldn't bother me, but they are pretty bland most of the time. I enjoy scenarios very much and they reward far more than questing, so win win for me here. Not much to comment on from public quests and world pvp as there isn't much going on in that department.
It's fun when it happens, but unfortunatly Mythic prefers people to be afk in Scenarios. Once there is a reason for people to do sieges and there is a big shift away from scenarios then this game will shine. Until that happens this is just another grindfest MMO.
Grindfest?????? lvl 40 in 2 weeks is a grind now is it lol.... please.. shoot me
Mythic prefers people to be afk in scenarios? Hahaha! Read the patchnotes for today. A player can no longer get xp and renown while in the loading zone. A player in a loading zone more than 2 minutes will be automaticly ejected form the scenario. Kinda blows your theory right out of the water huh.
Level 40 in 2 weeks? ok..lets say you are lvl 40. How good is your renown rank? I would say prolly single digits. Did you know that the best gear in the game cannot be worn until youre a certain renown rank? Did you know you earn points to making your character better with a higher renown rank? Go pvp at lvl 40 with a low renown ranking and you will get steamrolled. Please learn to play before posting about something you know nothing about.
no game period can touch war, no genre. and as far as mmos everything else is a horrible joke in comparision.
Laff
Yeah I sorta chuckled at that one, too.
"I had a fun experience in the game, therefor it is the best game, of any genre, period".
Imagine if that were the industry-wide standard of a successful game?
And you thought the music industry was rife with one-trick ponies?
By the by, aside from the pouring of oil, Lineage 2 has had large scale sieges with siege weapons, archers on walls and sometimes 200+ players fighting it out on the battlefield for a few years now.
I understand the excitement of doing it for the first time, but like others have said... After a while it becomes routine and the only real excitement is in the dynamics of the fight or, as in L2 where there are no pre-defined factions, the inter-clan/alliance politics surrounding castle sieges.
To the OP, I'm sure you'll argue WAR still beats L2 hands down because, well.. you've pretty much already said it. That's subjective at best. Point is, it's not exactly anything new.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I'm really looking forward to more open RvR action. It's the thing that really won me over during the Closed Beta. While scenarios are fun, they aren't open RvR
It's fun when it happens, but unfortunatly Mythic prefers people to be afk in Scenarios. Once there is a reason for people to do sieges and there is a big shift away from scenarios then this game will shine. Until that happens this is just another grindfest MMO.
Grindfest?????? lvl 40 in 2 weeks is a grind now is it lol.... please.. shoot me
Mythic prefers people to be afk in scenarios? Hahaha! Read the patchnotes for today. A player can no longer get xp and renown while in the loading zone. A player in a loading zone more than 2 minutes will be automaticly ejected form the scenario. Kinda blows your theory right out of the water huh.
Level 40 in 2 weeks? ok..lets say you are lvl 40. How good is your renown rank? I would say prolly single digits. Did you know that the best gear in the game cannot be worn until youre a certain renown rank? Did you know you earn points to making your character better with a higher renown rank? Go pvp at lvl 40 with a low renown ranking and you will get steamrolled. Please learn to play before posting about something you know nothing about.
I agree with Mythic not wanting afkers in scenarios for obvious reasons including the patch.
Currently, leveling renown first is a little pointless. I'm max renown at level 37 and wear zero pieces of renown gear. All my gear are from PQs and drops on my BW. The only thing I plan on wearing from the renown merchant at 40 is the chespiece from 39 (but who knows). I think better stuff drops from the keep lords but hey winning a bag over 50 people is kinda hard.
Sadly, the current rewards from renown are a bad including the gear and abilities. Added to this is the fact that at a lower renown, if you kill someone higher than you in renown you get a ton more renown.
Thus if a level 40 with rank 1 renown went out and PvPed with his blue PQ gear, he can reap tons of renown and progress much faster in renown than if he started renown leveling at level 1. Level 40's were getting 4-5k renown like this in T4 scenarios.
That being said some level 40s are so bad in PvP it's kinda funny :P And i do agree with you, I have no idea why someone would forgo the fun of PvP to be level 40 in 2 weeks but hey different strokes for different folks I guess.
It's fun when it happens, but unfortunatly Mythic prefers people to be afk in Scenarios. Once there is a reason for people to do sieges and there is a big shift away from scenarios then this game will shine. Until that happens this is just another grindfest MMO.
Grindfest?????? lvl 40 in 2 weeks is a grind now is it lol.... please.. shoot me
Mythic prefers people to be afk in scenarios? Hahaha! Read the patchnotes for today. A player can no longer get xp and renown while in the loading zone. A player in a loading zone more than 2 minutes will be automaticly ejected form the scenario. Kinda blows your theory right out of the water huh.
Level 40 in 2 weeks? ok..lets say you are lvl 40. How good is your renown rank? I would say prolly single digits. Did you know that the best gear in the game cannot be worn until youre a certain renown rank? Did you know you earn points to making your character better with a higher renown rank? Go pvp at lvl 40 with a low renown ranking and you will get steamrolled. Please learn to play before posting about something you know nothing about.
I agree with Mythic not wanting afkers in scenarios for obvious reasons including the patch. Currently, leveling renown first is a little pointless. I'm max renown at level 37 and wear zero pieces of renown gear. All my gear are from PQs and drops on my BW. The only thing I plan on wearing from the renown merchant at 40 is the chespiece from 39 (but who knows). I think better stuff drops from the keep lords but hey winning a bag over 50 people is kinda hard. Sadly, the current rewards from renown are a bad including the gear and abilities. Added to this is the fact that at a lower renown, if you kill someone higher than you in renown you get a ton more renown. Thus if a level 40 with rank 1 renown went out and PvPed with his blue PQ gear, he can reap tons of renown and progress much faster in renown than if he started renown leveling at level 1. Level 40's were getting 4-5k renown like this in T4 scenarios. That being said some level 40s are so bad in PvP it's kinda funny :P
The pq gear is pretty good but it doesnt give you bonuses for wearing pieces of the same set. I looted the devastator boots from t3 scenarios (requires renown 23) then bought 2 of the 3 other pieces from the renown merchant which required rr 24 and 25. Your right as far as the other piece goes. The robe only drops from the keep boss or from winning a blue bag in a tier 3 keep bust. I have raised my stats quite a bit from my renown points. Some of the tactics you get from the points do seem worthless but all in all, the better your ranking the better stuff you will have, not even mentioning the practice in pvp you get from running scenarios.
Really sorry to hear that you think that was great gaming and an awesome experience! So I gather you plan on just doing keeps forever and ever? Let us know when it becomes old ok, that way we can say told ya so
Lol, u crazy?
WAR is not a "siege that keep" game. If you haven't noticed there is a "few" other things to do in this game.
In all my MMO experience I haven't played a game with so many different activities you can switch to and from at almost a moment's notice.
solo questing(same as any other game), public quests(same thing each chapter and tier)
no, nope have you done any of the heroic ones? or the one in elven tier 2 when you're advancing over a battlefield with 20+ mobs fighting by your side against waves of infantry, cavalry etc?
- solo for grinders and group for raiders, exploration outside the quest system(ummmmm no)
yes, have you even really tried to play the game?
scenarios(same old bg's) no, by far
keep sieging(isn't this instanced?)
no they aren't you obviously havent even played the game AT ALL,
skirmish RvR(only remotely fun if you're on a high pop. server)
no, i play on low pop and have a blast capping all the objectives with my strike team while they're trying to figure out where we are
crafting (no really, isn't a blast but you can do it)(the worst crafting i've seen)
it's a bit sparse at the moment but the basic principles are very sound
instanced dungeons (have you found any yet?)(no, but equipment drops are horrible in game anyways)
go play WoW then for your purplaz, my guild made a few runs in altdorf sewers and our capital city leveled shortly after in part due to our efforts - you can keep your purplaz, oh and btw have you seen mt Gunbad yet? oh sorry I forgot you're not actually playing the game because you don't know that keep sieges aren't instanced
guild politics(seems exciting)
yes it is actually. guild alliances are active and meaningful here
realm strategy(coordinated by who? you going to get 30 people to listen lol nope)
oh yes you can - guild alliances and coordination on the level of guilds - we are already doing it on our server
twinking in T1 without breaking the game(fun?)
yes - casual nice fun, i have an alt just for that when I want to do some CS-style incognito casual PvP
AH trading(so) it's here if you want it
tome unlocks...(hard to do if you're RvR like everybody says you should)
who is everybody? the devs certainly aren't
All of those activities are easily accessible and rewarding. I don't really see what's this "siege the keep until you die" notion. It is ridiculous even saying it. Are you sure you're not talking about some other game?
Your remark about keep sieging being instanced reveals you as being a sordid troll who obviously hasn't even played the game.... or made an effort to actually get informed about it. Good bye and good riddance.
LOL you argue like a little 12 year old girl. Just because i have over 700 hours of WOW in 4 years, that makes me a fanboi? Good job on when you have nothing else to say you start calling people names. I am no fanboi and not a troll, and haven't played the game since february. I just started back last week because I don't find anything else exciting. And until something else comes out i'm just going to mess around in there. I'm not even having fun in WOW, but I find it better than WAR. And because I haven't done keep sieging means I haven't played the game?
troll or not, you wont experience this in WOW, LOTRO, AOC, EQ2, FFXI, Vanguard or any other of those grindfested heavy PVE based games.im sure the only game that comes close is DAOC, which i never played, but heard of the good RVR. I have played all the above for an extended time, today was the first time i experienced anything like it in any mmo. it was epic.
Dont agree about AoC part as I siege 2, 3 times per week and its always 48vs48, the siege it self is very entertaining and rewarding.
Really sorry to hear that you think that was great gaming and an awesome experience! So I gather you plan on just doing keeps forever and ever? Let us know when it becomes old ok, that way we can say told ya so
Yep this is why I quit. The game just got too repetative. I felt board going from city to city going in a straight line doing the quests or PQ or scenarios. Everything was the same just different set up. And the keep at end game may be fun 1 or 2 times, than boooooring. No Replay value.
Judging by your comment it sounds like you haven't played too many MMO's. Name 1 MMO that doesn't have repetative content. lol cmon....WOW is a prime example of that. They take the same mobs and add features to them and then rename them in their expansions and patches. The quests are the same way as well....Don't believe me wait until wrath of the lion king launches.
Not the best game I've ever played but it really is fun and entertaining. SWG at launch was my best game in my opinion.
WoW was fun at first but dwindled fast. This one is keeping me interested. PvP changed my outlook on gaming as a whole...and this game changed that for me. Which is a good thing.
Really sorry to hear that you think that was great gaming and an awesome experience! So I gather you plan on just doing keeps forever and ever? Let us know when it becomes old ok, that way we can say told ya so
Lol, u crazy?
WAR is not a "siege that keep" game. If you haven't noticed there is a "few" other things to do in this game.
In all my MMO experience I haven't played a game with so many different activities you can switch to and from at almost a moment's notice.
solo questing(same as any other game), public quests(same thing each chapter and tier)
no, nope have you done any of the heroic ones? or the one in elven tier 2 when you're advancing over a battlefield with 20+ mobs fighting by your side against waves of infantry, cavalry etc?
- solo for grinders and group for raiders, exploration outside the quest system(ummmmm no)
yes, have you even really tried to play the game?
scenarios(same old bg's) no, by far
keep sieging(isn't this instanced?)
no they aren't you obviously havent even played the game AT ALL,
skirmish RvR(only remotely fun if you're on a high pop. server)
no, i play on low pop and have a blast capping all the objectives with my strike team while they're trying to figure out where we are
crafting (no really, isn't a blast but you can do it)(the worst crafting i've seen)
it's a bit sparse at the moment but the basic principles are very sound
instanced dungeons (have you found any yet?)(no, but equipment drops are horrible in game anyways)
go play WoW then for your purplaz, my guild made a few runs in altdorf sewers and our capital city leveled shortly after in part due to our efforts - you can keep your purplaz, oh and btw have you seen mt Gunbad yet? oh sorry I forgot you're not actually playing the game because you don't know that keep sieges aren't instanced
guild politics(seems exciting)
yes it is actually. guild alliances are active and meaningful here
realm strategy(coordinated by who? you going to get 30 people to listen lol nope)
oh yes you can - guild alliances and coordination on the level of guilds - we are already doing it on our server
twinking in T1 without breaking the game(fun?)
yes - casual nice fun, i have an alt just for that when I want to do some CS-style incognito casual PvP
AH trading(so) it's here if you want it
tome unlocks...(hard to do if you're RvR like everybody says you should)
who is everybody? the devs certainly aren't
All of those activities are easily accessible and rewarding. I don't really see what's this "siege the keep until you die" notion. It is ridiculous even saying it. Are you sure you're not talking about some other game?
Your remark about keep sieging being instanced reveals you as being a sordid troll who obviously hasn't even played the game.... or made an effort to actually get informed about it. Good bye and good riddance.
LOL you argue like a little 12 year old girl. Just because i have over 700 hours of WOW in 4 years, that makes me a fanboi? Good job on when you have nothing else to say you start calling people names. I am no fanboi and not a troll, and haven't played the game since february. I just started back last week because I don't find anything else exciting. And until something else comes out i'm just going to mess around in there. I'm not even having fun in WOW, but I find it better than WAR. And because I haven't done keep sieging means I haven't played the game?
Heh, I call you a troll because you are a troll by any objective definition. And I call you sordid which is my personal subjective opinion of your style of trolling.
And yes, if you haven't done keep sieging you haven't played the game. That's like maintaining you can give an informed opinion on WoW without ever setting foot inside an instanced dungeon.
no game period can touch war, no genre. and as far as mmos everything else is a horrible joke in comparision.
Laff
Yeah I sorta chuckled at that one, too.
"I had a fun experience in the game, therefor it is the best game, of any genre, period".
Imagine if that were the industry-wide standard of a successful game?
And you thought the music industry was rife with one-trick ponies?
By the by, aside from the pouring of oil, Lineage 2 has had large scale sieges with siege weapons, archers on walls and sometimes 200+ players fighting it out on the battlefield for a few years now.
I understand the excitement of doing it for the first time, but like others have said... After a while it becomes routine and the only real excitement is in the dynamics of the fight or, as in L2 where there are no pre-defined factions, the inter-clan/alliance politics surrounding castle sieges.
To the OP, I'm sure you'll argue WAR still beats L2 hands down because, well.. you've pretty much already said it. That's subjective at best. Point is, it's not exactly anything new.
The difference between L2 and WAR endgame is that normal people with lives that don't play 80+ hours a week can get to WAR endgame. L2 is the biggest grind in MMOs, it takes forever to get the gear you need to be able to have any chance of being useful in PvP. Maybe L2 has just as good an endgame as WAR, maybe better, but I will never know because I have a life outside the game and can't spend the time to get there. In WAR, I can play 5-10 a week and get the chance to do all the things you do in L2 with my level 16 Warrior Priest.
I just had the best experience i have ever experienced in any game...ever! we had a 24 man warband. we raided a keep and it was heavily guarded. we fought for a whole hour trying to get into the keep. it was the t3 elven keep its freakin huge. there were order on the wall pouring down hot oil to defend it, and archers at the top of the keep wall nailling us. the oil destroyed are battering ram. we sat up siege weapons and was taking them out from below with cannons and catapults. we finally got in the door after 30 minutes of hard work. then the order clogged the corridor and held us. they were successful, we couldn't do it after a 1 hour furious battle. it was nuts!!! i have never experienced something so complex and rewarding in any game i have ever played. i would have to say by far this is the best gaming experience i have ever had. i feel sorry for the people who gave up on the game and will never experience what i just did. no game period can touch war, no genre. and as far as mmos everything else is a horrible joke in comparision. i never knew the game was this good until today and i have been playing since launch. glad i stuck around to find out the true meaning and gut of warhammer. cant wait till i get to tier 4 i imagine it only gets crazier! EDIT:
Remember people this is my OPINION. This is my greatest gaming experience. If you have had others (which im sure you do) thats great. No need for anyone to get mad because some of us actually enjoy the game. no need start a flame wars and comparisions. I just thought a might share my war scenario.
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago .
I just had the best experience i have ever experienced in any game...ever! we had a 24 man warband. we raided a keep and it was heavily guarded. we fought for a whole hour trying to get into the keep. it was the t3 elven keep its freakin huge. there were order on the wall pouring down hot oil to defend it, and archers at the top of the keep wall nailling us. the oil destroyed are battering ram. we sat up siege weapons and was taking them out from below with cannons and catapults. we finally got in the door after 30 minutes of hard work. then the order clogged the corridor and held us. they were successful, we couldn't do it after a 1 hour furious battle. it was nuts!!! i have never experienced something so complex and rewarding in any game i have ever played. i would have to say by far this is the best gaming experience i have ever had. i feel sorry for the people who gave up on the game and will never experience what i just did. no game period can touch war, no genre. and as far as mmos everything else is a horrible joke in comparision. i never knew the game was this good until today and i have been playing since launch. glad i stuck around to find out the true meaning and gut of warhammer. cant wait till i get to tier 4 i imagine it only gets crazier! EDIT:
Remember people this is my OPINION. This is my greatest gaming experience. If you have had others (which im sure you do) thats great. No need for anyone to get mad because some of us actually enjoy the game. no need start a flame wars and comparisions. I just thought a might share my war scenario.
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago .
He wasnt around for the hippie movement in the 60's as well
I just had the best experience i have ever experienced in any game...ever! we had a 24 man warband. we raided a keep and it was heavily guarded. we fought for a whole hour trying to get into the keep. it was the t3 elven keep its freakin huge. there were order on the wall pouring down hot oil to defend it, and archers at the top of the keep wall nailling us. the oil destroyed are battering ram. we sat up siege weapons and was taking them out from below with cannons and catapults. we finally got in the door after 30 minutes of hard work. then the order clogged the corridor and held us. they were successful, we couldn't do it after a 1 hour furious battle. it was nuts!!! i have never experienced something so complex and rewarding in any game i have ever played. i would have to say by far this is the best gaming experience i have ever had. i feel sorry for the people who gave up on the game and will never experience what i just did. no game period can touch war, no genre. and as far as mmos everything else is a horrible joke in comparision. i never knew the game was this good until today and i have been playing since launch. glad i stuck around to find out the true meaning and gut of warhammer. cant wait till i get to tier 4 i imagine it only gets crazier! EDIT:
Remember people this is my OPINION. This is my greatest gaming experience. If you have had others (which im sure you do) thats great. No need for anyone to get mad because some of us actually enjoy the game. no need start a flame wars and comparisions. I just thought a might share my war scenario.
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago .
He wasnt around for the hippie movement in the 60's as well
Not sure what the hippie movement of the 60's has to do with video games of 2000. Big difference comparing a game released in 2001 that was superior in every way to one released in 2008 and the hippie movement of the 60's.
I just had the best experience i have ever experienced in any game...ever! we had a 24 man warband. we raided a keep and it was heavily guarded. we fought for a whole hour trying to get into the keep. it was the t3 elven keep its freakin huge. there were order on the wall pouring down hot oil to defend it, and archers at the top of the keep wall nailling us. the oil destroyed are battering ram. we sat up siege weapons and was taking them out from below with cannons and catapults. we finally got in the door after 30 minutes of hard work. then the order clogged the corridor and held us. they were successful, we couldn't do it after a 1 hour furious battle. it was nuts!!! i have never experienced something so complex and rewarding in any game i have ever played. i would have to say by far this is the best gaming experience i have ever had. i feel sorry for the people who gave up on the game and will never experience what i just did. no game period can touch war, no genre. and as far as mmos everything else is a horrible joke in comparision. i never knew the game was this good until today and i have been playing since launch. glad i stuck around to find out the true meaning and gut of warhammer. cant wait till i get to tier 4 i imagine it only gets crazier! EDIT:
Remember people this is my OPINION. This is my greatest gaming experience. If you have had others (which im sure you do) thats great. No need for anyone to get mad because some of us actually enjoy the game. no need start a flame wars and comparisions. I just thought a might share my war scenario.
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago .
He wasnt around for the hippie movement in the 60's as well
Not sure what the hippie movement of the 60's has to do with video games of 2000. Big difference comparing a game released in 2001 that was superior in every way to one released in 2008 and the hippie movement of the 60's.
Thats your opinion but that doesn't make it true. It only makes it true to you.
To me this game is, as of right now, the 2nd best MMORPG out on the market. (No its not WoW thats #1.)
Edit
From your posts it looks like your ALMOST a troll. All you do is come on the WAR forums to say how bad, when its not bad at all.
Heh talking about skill or "bad at PVP"? WAR is just a really really dumb game... meaning it has really really dumbed-down gameplay. The entire PVE experience lvl 1-40 is zerging Public Quests with 15 other noobs until you get max rep and gear then moving 100 yards down the zone to the next PQ location to rinse repeat. PVP it's about spamming and zerging together with your team in instanced and pointless scenarios or tank and spank on extremely boring keep guards and bosses with a laughable battering ram minigame that looks like it should be running on a 386 from 1984
Simply put there's very little room for skill in this game. Some of the class design ideas are kind of cool, and of course the IP and Lore is great courtesy of Games Workshop but the combat engine is extremely poor and the gameplay is just straight noob, especially if you're coming from a high-level (2200+ arena/Rank 14) WOW or any sort of competitve FPS environment.
To give an idea to those of you who haven't tried WAR, first of all, the way the game handles packets is extremely unresponsive (aka laggy). To compensate for this, WAR has an extremely LONG buffer... I've been playing PVP MMOs 10 years ago starting with UO (then EQ then DAOC then WOW, GW etc etc) Warhammer Online is the first game where server lag is distractingly noticable in every aspect of gameplay. Anything you do in game you feel lag before your avatar responds in-game. You literally press attack or mount up or any action and can literally count off "one and two and..." before you see the action in game. Sure in other games you can occasionally see the same effects (for example summoning a mount in WOW or casting a long 6 second spell you can cheat and start moving 200ms before the client registers it on-screen... now imagine that EVERY action in the game has that same lag x10.) This has ramifications on gameplay beyond normal annoyance. For example interacting with mobs... if you're running through some mobs and you drop a root on them as you run past, the game doesn't register it until it updates your and their locations a couple seconds later. In every situation they'll continue to beat on you within melee range for those 1...2...3... seconds until the server registers the proper positions of the mobs... then they ghost back to being rooted in the proper location 30 yards behind you.... and yes the game REGISTERS the damage it's done to you. If they kill you during that time of latency with those "ghost" hits, when the game updates you'll ghost to dead. If they do something like knock you back or otherwise interact with your location, the client will drag you back to THEIR location and knock you back/down starting from that location.
If you're a noob and you're just standing there toe-to-toe not moving with the mobs it's not such a big deal... but if you are executing intricate fine-motor manuevers like spinning around and knocking back that tank that's on you then whirling around and DPSing the caster you're after is basically impossible... the game updates after you've done both actions and will basically default to whichever movement you executed last. Things like running behind someone to knock them back in the oppostie direction back to your team (a pretty basic manuver in a game like WOW or FPS) is impossible since the game autofaces and lags... you'll simply end up hitting them in the same direction you were running before you turned your character around to do the knockback (basically you'll appear to knock them BEHIND you opposite the direction you just turned) For all the criticisms WOW has as a true E-sport at least the game mechanics are smooth... you can quickly target enemies, execute moves and the client responds smoothly like in a FPS... Warhammer is extremely crude its PVP will never evolve beyond the rudimentary team tactics of early DAOC. I mean, I've played from 3 different locations all with <100ms ping and the game is laggy as hell because of the poor game engine and server architecture... and this is supposed to be a PVP game...
Another huge issue is related to the way WAR handles latency and how it compensates with that huge ass buffer. The game eats keystrokes... basically EVERY discrete action in the game locks out EVERY other thing in the game. So if you dismount, click stop moving on your mouse and press attack on the run you'll end up running past your target as the game eats your mouse click in order to process your attack keystroke. Good news is now your attack (the last thing you pressed) is on... bad news is the game ate your mouse click and you're running with your attack on in the opposite direction of your target. Basically every single thing in the game even looting has a .5 second lockout. What that means is that things like Chosen auras and Chosen attack moves which are technically on separate cooldowns, in reality all share a .5 second game-global cooldown (in addition to sharing a global cooldown with everything from moving to looting in-game). So something like looting can't be done without lag... if you click click click on 3 corpses the game basically only recognizes the last thing you clicked... so now you're standing there spamming click to loot to make sure you loot everything. If you suck, this is actually kind of good... means no one can actually do anything quicker in-game due to better reactions but this in effect dumbs down PVP and makes skill even less important. Even a 60 year old retard can click on something every .5 seconds or so while the game auto-faces you in the direction of your opponent.
As for the PVP bugs and imbalances... it's hard to believe this game was in beta for...what? 15 months? I'm averaging 6+ bug submissions a day and that's not including issues with quests or art. The things people are bitching about like problems with Tab targeting, flight masters crashing your client etc are mere inconveniences that will eventually be fixed some time into release... that combat engine though... it's going to ensure the game hovers around 300-500k for its entire life and never makes it into the big time. It's simply not fun enough to draw in casuals console players like WOW did nor is it responsive or complex enough to entice hardcore skilled PVPers. It's a sort of middle of the road, dumb, spammable PVP like EQ and DAOC were. Honestly you'd rate it below WOW which was released in 04 or Guildwars, Lineage 2, and even UO which is 10 years old but at least was a decent PVP game. I'd honestly rate it at about Everquest Zek quality in terms of complexity and responsiveness... which isn't great considering that EQ was basically built on a MUD text-based engine from 94 and EQ was released in 1998
I just had the best experience i have ever experienced in any game...ever! we had a 24 man warband. we raided a keep and it was heavily guarded. we fought for a whole hour trying to get into the keep. it was the t3 elven keep its freakin huge. there were order on the wall pouring down hot oil to defend it, and archers at the top of the keep wall nailling us. the oil destroyed are battering ram. we sat up siege weapons and was taking them out from below with cannons and catapults. we finally got in the door after 30 minutes of hard work. then the order clogged the corridor and held us. they were successful, we couldn't do it after a 1 hour furious battle. it was nuts!!! i have never experienced something so complex and rewarding in any game i have ever played. i would have to say by far this is the best gaming experience i have ever had. i feel sorry for the people who gave up on the game and will never experience what i just did. no game period can touch war, no genre. and as far as mmos everything else is a horrible joke in comparision. i never knew the game was this good until today and i have been playing since launch. glad i stuck around to find out the true meaning and gut of warhammer. cant wait till i get to tier 4 i imagine it only gets crazier! EDIT:
Remember people this is my OPINION. This is my greatest gaming experience. If you have had others (which im sure you do) thats great. No need for anyone to get mad because some of us actually enjoy the game. no need start a flame wars and comparisions. I just thought a might share my war scenario.
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago .
He wasnt around for the hippie movement in the 60's as well
Not sure what the hippie movement of the 60's has to do with video games of 2000. Big difference comparing a game released in 2001 that was superior in every way to one released in 2008 and the hippie movement of the 60's.
Thats your opinion but that doesn't make it true. It only makes it true to you.
To me this game is, as of right now, the 2nd best MMORPG out on the market. (No its not WoW thats #1.)
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From your posts it looks like your ALMOST a troll. All you do is come on the WAR forums to say how bad, when its not bad at all.
you back/down starting from that location. If you're a noob and you're just standing there toe-to-toe not moving with the mobs it's not such a big deal... but if you are executing intricate fine-motor manuevers like spinning around and knocking back that tank that's on you then whirling around and DPSing the caster you're after is basically impossible... the game updates after you've done both actions and will basically default to whichever movement you executed last. Things like running behind someone to knock them back in the oppostie direction back to your team (a pretty basic manuver in a game like WOW or FPS) is impossible since the game autofaces and lags... you'll simply end up hitting them in the same direction you were running before you turned your character around to do the knockback (basically you'll appear to knock them BEHIND you opposite the direction you just turned) For all the criticisms WOW has as a true E-sport at least the game mechanics are smooth... you can quickly target enemies, execute moves and the client responds smoothly like in a FPS... Warhammer is extremely crude its PVP will never evolve beyond the rudimentary team tactics of early DAOC. I mean, I've played from 3 different locations all with <100ms ping and the game is laggy as hell because of the poor game engine and server architecture... and this is supposed to be a PVP game...
Today's lesson "How to identify a long winded troll." Step 1: look for complete untruths in the post. Highlighted above you see such an untruth. WoW, in its current release state, does not have a knockback mechanic, so it cannot be a basic manuver in WoW to run behind someone to knock them back towards your team.
Please, remember to always be on the look out for trolls.
you back/down starting from that location. If you're a noob and you're just standing there toe-to-toe not moving with the mobs it's not such a big deal... but if you are executing intricate fine-motor manuevers like spinning around and knocking back that tank that's on you then whirling around and DPSing the caster you're after is basically impossible... the game updates after you've done both actions and will basically default to whichever movement you executed last. Things like running behind someone to knock them back in the oppostie direction back to your team (a pretty basic manuver in a game like WOW or FPS) is impossible since the game autofaces and lags... you'll simply end up hitting them in the same direction you were running before you turned your character around to do the knockback (basically you'll appear to knock them BEHIND you opposite the direction you just turned) For all the criticisms WOW has as a true E-sport at least the game mechanics are smooth... you can quickly target enemies, execute moves and the client responds smoothly like in a FPS... Warhammer is extremely crude its PVP will never evolve beyond the rudimentary team tactics of early DAOC. I mean, I've played from 3 different locations all with <100ms ping and the game is laggy as hell because of the poor game engine and server architecture... and this is supposed to be a PVP game...
Today's lesson "How to identify a long winded troll." Step 1: look for complete untruths in the post. Highlighted above you see such an untruth. WoW, in its current release state, does not have a knockback mechanic, so it cannot be a basic manuver in WoW to run behind someone to knock them back towards your team.
Please, remember to always be on the look out for trolls.
I was wondering whether they had introduced some new ability in WoW since I'd left the game. Trolls never do check their facts.
To the OP, The Return Key is your friend! Wall of Text Crit! Ah!
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Everything gets boring eventually. Thats a fact of reality.
What I am trying to point out is that RvR has the highest replayability of anything MMORPG's can offer. Note: I am NOT saying that RvR is ENDLESSLY replayable! Nothing can be.
..but then I notice you liked SWG before SOE cocked it up. So are you telling me that SWG (as it was) would never ever get boring? No, of course it would. Eventually.
So the argument is really about HOW LONG before sieging gets boring, isn't it?
So why do you think sieging will get boring quickly? Theres lots of variation and possibilities in PvP so I cant see people getting tired of it soon.
EDIT: Guy above me noticed you clocked 700 hours of WoW.. you've really lost credibility with that revelation. lol.
Lol, u crazy?
WAR is not a "siege that keep" game. If you haven't noticed there is a "few" other things to do in this game.
In all my MMO experience I haven't played a game with so many different activities you can switch to and from at almost a moment's notice.
solo questing(same as any other game), public quests(same thing each chapter and tier)
no, nope have you done any of the heroic ones? or the one in elven tier 2 when you're advancing over a battlefield with 20+ mobs fighting by your side against waves of infantry, cavalry etc?
- solo for grinders and group for raiders, exploration outside the quest system(ummmmm no)
yes, have you even really tried to play the game?
scenarios(same old bg's) no, by far
keep sieging(isn't this instanced?)
no they aren't you obviously havent even played the game AT ALL,
skirmish RvR(only remotely fun if you're on a high pop. server)
no, i play on low pop and have a blast capping all the objectives with my strike team while they're trying to figure out where we are
crafting (no really, isn't a blast but you can do it)(the worst crafting i've seen)
it's a bit sparse at the moment but the basic principles are very sound
instanced dungeons (have you found any yet?)(no, but equipment drops are horrible in game anyways)
go play WoW then for your purplaz, my guild made a few runs in altdorf sewers and our capital city leveled shortly after in part due to our efforts - you can keep your purplaz, oh and btw have you seen mt Gunbad yet? oh sorry I forgot you're not actually playing the game because you don't know that keep sieges aren't instanced
guild politics(seems exciting)
yes it is actually. guild alliances are active and meaningful here
realm strategy(coordinated by who? you going to get 30 people to listen lol nope)
oh yes you can - guild alliances and coordination on the level of guilds - we are already doing it on our server
twinking in T1 without breaking the game(fun?)
yes - casual nice fun, i have an alt just for that when I want to do some CS-style incognito casual PvP
AH trading(so) it's here if you want it
tome unlocks...(hard to do if you're RvR like everybody says you should)
who is everybody? the devs certainly aren't
All of those activities are easily accessible and rewarding. I don't really see what's this "siege the keep until you die" notion. It is ridiculous even saying it. Are you sure you're not talking about some other game?
Your remark about keep sieging being instanced reveals you as being a sordid troll who obviously hasn't even played the game.... or made an effort to actually get informed about it. Good bye and good riddance.
Grindfest?????? lvl 40 in 2 weeks is a grind now is it lol.... please.. shoot me
It isn't to hard to level to max in most games in a few weeks. It all boils down to how entertaining and rewarding the journey is.
Some people define grind by the amount of experience awarded doing tasks in game [scenarios, quests, pvp, etc]. Others define it by the amount of time needed to reach a goal. You may not think leveling to max in 2 weeks is grinding, but for me that would be a total grindfest where gaining the most amount of experience per activity was more important than enjoying the game. I'm not looking down on your acheivement at all. In fact that is most likely what I will do when I get a character or two to max level.
I've played games were it tooks many months to reach end game and never felt like I was grinding. The reverse is true where I felt the entire game was a grind.
So far Warhammer is falling somewhere in between that. Quests in the world just do not offer enough reward for their time. At my current level I estimate it will take me somewhere around 35-50 PvE quests to reach a new level. If the quests were entertaining it wouldn't bother me, but they are pretty bland most of the time. I enjoy scenarios very much and they reward far more than questing, so win win for me here. Not much to comment on from public quests and world pvp as there isn't much going on in that department.
Mythic prefers people to be afk in scenarios? Hahaha! Read the patchnotes for today. A player can no longer get xp and renown while in the loading zone. A player in a loading zone more than 2 minutes will be automaticly ejected form the scenario. Kinda blows your theory right out of the water huh.
Level 40 in 2 weeks? ok..lets say you are lvl 40. How good is your renown rank? I would say prolly single digits. Did you know that the best gear in the game cannot be worn until youre a certain renown rank? Did you know you earn points to making your character better with a higher renown rank? Go pvp at lvl 40 with a low renown ranking and you will get steamrolled. Please learn to play before posting about something you know nothing about.
Laff
Yeah I sorta chuckled at that one, too.
"I had a fun experience in the game, therefor it is the best game, of any genre, period".
Imagine if that were the industry-wide standard of a successful game?
And you thought the music industry was rife with one-trick ponies?
By the by, aside from the pouring of oil, Lineage 2 has had large scale sieges with siege weapons, archers on walls and sometimes 200+ players fighting it out on the battlefield for a few years now.
I understand the excitement of doing it for the first time, but like others have said... After a while it becomes routine and the only real excitement is in the dynamics of the fight or, as in L2 where there are no pre-defined factions, the inter-clan/alliance politics surrounding castle sieges.
To the OP, I'm sure you'll argue WAR still beats L2 hands down because, well.. you've pretty much already said it. That's subjective at best. Point is, it's not exactly anything new.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I'm really looking forward to more open RvR action. It's the thing that really won me over during the Closed Beta. While scenarios are fun, they aren't open RvR
I agree, I love this game. Chaos Waste is the best in my opinion. Just too damn fun to play anything else.
Grindfest?????? lvl 40 in 2 weeks is a grind now is it lol.... please.. shoot me
Mythic prefers people to be afk in scenarios? Hahaha! Read the patchnotes for today. A player can no longer get xp and renown while in the loading zone. A player in a loading zone more than 2 minutes will be automaticly ejected form the scenario. Kinda blows your theory right out of the water huh.
Level 40 in 2 weeks? ok..lets say you are lvl 40. How good is your renown rank? I would say prolly single digits. Did you know that the best gear in the game cannot be worn until youre a certain renown rank? Did you know you earn points to making your character better with a higher renown rank? Go pvp at lvl 40 with a low renown ranking and you will get steamrolled. Please learn to play before posting about something you know nothing about.
I agree with Mythic not wanting afkers in scenarios for obvious reasons including the patch.
Currently, leveling renown first is a little pointless. I'm max renown at level 37 and wear zero pieces of renown gear. All my gear are from PQs and drops on my BW. The only thing I plan on wearing from the renown merchant at 40 is the chespiece from 39 (but who knows). I think better stuff drops from the keep lords but hey winning a bag over 50 people is kinda hard.
Sadly, the current rewards from renown are a bad including the gear and abilities. Added to this is the fact that at a lower renown, if you kill someone higher than you in renown you get a ton more renown.
Thus if a level 40 with rank 1 renown went out and PvPed with his blue PQ gear, he can reap tons of renown and progress much faster in renown than if he started renown leveling at level 1. Level 40's were getting 4-5k renown like this in T4 scenarios.
That being said some level 40s are so bad in PvP it's kinda funny :P And i do agree with you, I have no idea why someone would forgo the fun of PvP to be level 40 in 2 weeks but hey different strokes for different folks I guess.
The pq gear is pretty good but it doesnt give you bonuses for wearing pieces of the same set. I looted the devastator boots from t3 scenarios (requires renown 23) then bought 2 of the 3 other pieces from the renown merchant which required rr 24 and 25. Your right as far as the other piece goes. The robe only drops from the keep boss or from winning a blue bag in a tier 3 keep bust. I have raised my stats quite a bit from my renown points. Some of the tactics you get from the points do seem worthless but all in all, the better your ranking the better stuff you will have, not even mentioning the practice in pvp you get from running scenarios.
It's possible that it will be the greatest game EVER. It's on it's way, and it was an amazing launch.
Lol, u crazy?
WAR is not a "siege that keep" game. If you haven't noticed there is a "few" other things to do in this game.
In all my MMO experience I haven't played a game with so many different activities you can switch to and from at almost a moment's notice.
solo questing(same as any other game), public quests(same thing each chapter and tier)
no, nope have you done any of the heroic ones? or the one in elven tier 2 when you're advancing over a battlefield with 20+ mobs fighting by your side against waves of infantry, cavalry etc?
- solo for grinders and group for raiders, exploration outside the quest system(ummmmm no)
yes, have you even really tried to play the game?
scenarios(same old bg's) no, by far
keep sieging(isn't this instanced?)
no they aren't you obviously havent even played the game AT ALL,
skirmish RvR(only remotely fun if you're on a high pop. server)
no, i play on low pop and have a blast capping all the objectives with my strike team while they're trying to figure out where we are
crafting (no really, isn't a blast but you can do it)(the worst crafting i've seen)
it's a bit sparse at the moment but the basic principles are very sound
instanced dungeons (have you found any yet?)(no, but equipment drops are horrible in game anyways)
go play WoW then for your purplaz, my guild made a few runs in altdorf sewers and our capital city leveled shortly after in part due to our efforts - you can keep your purplaz, oh and btw have you seen mt Gunbad yet? oh sorry I forgot you're not actually playing the game because you don't know that keep sieges aren't instanced
guild politics(seems exciting)
yes it is actually. guild alliances are active and meaningful here
realm strategy(coordinated by who? you going to get 30 people to listen lol nope)
oh yes you can - guild alliances and coordination on the level of guilds - we are already doing it on our server
twinking in T1 without breaking the game(fun?)
yes - casual nice fun, i have an alt just for that when I want to do some CS-style incognito casual PvP
AH trading(so) it's here if you want it
tome unlocks...(hard to do if you're RvR like everybody says you should)
who is everybody? the devs certainly aren't
All of those activities are easily accessible and rewarding. I don't really see what's this "siege the keep until you die" notion. It is ridiculous even saying it. Are you sure you're not talking about some other game?
Your remark about keep sieging being instanced reveals you as being a sordid troll who obviously hasn't even played the game.... or made an effort to actually get informed about it. Good bye and good riddance.
LOL you argue like a little 12 year old girl. Just because i have over 700 hours of WOW in 4 years, that makes me a fanboi? Good job on when you have nothing else to say you start calling people names. I am no fanboi and not a troll, and haven't played the game since february. I just started back last week because I don't find anything else exciting. And until something else comes out i'm just going to mess around in there. I'm not even having fun in WOW, but I find it better than WAR. And because I haven't done keep sieging means I haven't played the game?
Dont agree about AoC part as I siege 2, 3 times per week and its always 48vs48, the siege it self is very entertaining and rewarding.
p.s. It sounds OP had a great time.
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
Yep this is why I quit. The game just got too repetative. I felt board going from city to city going in a straight line doing the quests or PQ or scenarios. Everything was the same just different set up. And the keep at end game may be fun 1 or 2 times, than boooooring. No Replay value.
Judging by your comment it sounds like you haven't played too many MMO's. Name 1 MMO that doesn't have repetative content. lol cmon....WOW is a prime example of that. They take the same mobs and add features to them and then rename them in their expansions and patches. The quests are the same way as well....Don't believe me wait until wrath of the lion king launches.
guys this is a peaceful litlle forum do not get angry... hey you put that gun down i said put it down damn it
Not the best game I've ever played but it really is fun and entertaining. SWG at launch was my best game in my opinion.
WoW was fun at first but dwindled fast. This one is keeping me interested. PvP changed my outlook on gaming as a whole...and this game changed that for me. Which is a good thing.
Lol, u crazy?
WAR is not a "siege that keep" game. If you haven't noticed there is a "few" other things to do in this game.
In all my MMO experience I haven't played a game with so many different activities you can switch to and from at almost a moment's notice.
solo questing(same as any other game), public quests(same thing each chapter and tier)
no, nope have you done any of the heroic ones? or the one in elven tier 2 when you're advancing over a battlefield with 20+ mobs fighting by your side against waves of infantry, cavalry etc?
- solo for grinders and group for raiders, exploration outside the quest system(ummmmm no)
yes, have you even really tried to play the game?
scenarios(same old bg's) no, by far
keep sieging(isn't this instanced?)
no they aren't you obviously havent even played the game AT ALL,
skirmish RvR(only remotely fun if you're on a high pop. server)
no, i play on low pop and have a blast capping all the objectives with my strike team while they're trying to figure out where we are
crafting (no really, isn't a blast but you can do it)(the worst crafting i've seen)
it's a bit sparse at the moment but the basic principles are very sound
instanced dungeons (have you found any yet?)(no, but equipment drops are horrible in game anyways)
go play WoW then for your purplaz, my guild made a few runs in altdorf sewers and our capital city leveled shortly after in part due to our efforts - you can keep your purplaz, oh and btw have you seen mt Gunbad yet? oh sorry I forgot you're not actually playing the game because you don't know that keep sieges aren't instanced
guild politics(seems exciting)
yes it is actually. guild alliances are active and meaningful here
realm strategy(coordinated by who? you going to get 30 people to listen lol nope)
oh yes you can - guild alliances and coordination on the level of guilds - we are already doing it on our server
twinking in T1 without breaking the game(fun?)
yes - casual nice fun, i have an alt just for that when I want to do some CS-style incognito casual PvP
AH trading(so) it's here if you want it
tome unlocks...(hard to do if you're RvR like everybody says you should)
who is everybody? the devs certainly aren't
All of those activities are easily accessible and rewarding. I don't really see what's this "siege the keep until you die" notion. It is ridiculous even saying it. Are you sure you're not talking about some other game?
Your remark about keep sieging being instanced reveals you as being a sordid troll who obviously hasn't even played the game.... or made an effort to actually get informed about it. Good bye and good riddance.
LOL you argue like a little 12 year old girl. Just because i have over 700 hours of WOW in 4 years, that makes me a fanboi? Good job on when you have nothing else to say you start calling people names. I am no fanboi and not a troll, and haven't played the game since february. I just started back last week because I don't find anything else exciting. And until something else comes out i'm just going to mess around in there. I'm not even having fun in WOW, but I find it better than WAR. And because I haven't done keep sieging means I haven't played the game?
Heh, I call you a troll because you are a troll by any objective definition. And I call you sordid which is my personal subjective opinion of your style of trolling.
And yes, if you haven't done keep sieging you haven't played the game. That's like maintaining you can give an informed opinion on WoW without ever setting foot inside an instanced dungeon.
Laff
Yeah I sorta chuckled at that one, too.
"I had a fun experience in the game, therefor it is the best game, of any genre, period".
Imagine if that were the industry-wide standard of a successful game?
And you thought the music industry was rife with one-trick ponies?
By the by, aside from the pouring of oil, Lineage 2 has had large scale sieges with siege weapons, archers on walls and sometimes 200+ players fighting it out on the battlefield for a few years now.
I understand the excitement of doing it for the first time, but like others have said... After a while it becomes routine and the only real excitement is in the dynamics of the fight or, as in L2 where there are no pre-defined factions, the inter-clan/alliance politics surrounding castle sieges.
To the OP, I'm sure you'll argue WAR still beats L2 hands down because, well.. you've pretty much already said it. That's subjective at best. Point is, it's not exactly anything new.
The difference between L2 and WAR endgame is that normal people with lives that don't play 80+ hours a week can get to WAR endgame. L2 is the biggest grind in MMOs, it takes forever to get the gear you need to be able to have any chance of being useful in PvP. Maybe L2 has just as good an endgame as WAR, maybe better, but I will never know because I have a life outside the game and can't spend the time to get there. In WAR, I can play 5-10 a week and get the chance to do all the things you do in L2 with my level 16 Warrior Priest.
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago
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Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago
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He wasnt around for the hippie movement in the 60's as well
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago
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He wasnt around for the hippie movement in the 60's as well
Not sure what the hippie movement of the 60's has to do with video games of 2000. Big difference comparing a game released in 2001 that was superior in every way to one released in 2008 and the hippie movement of the 60's.
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago
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He wasnt around for the hippie movement in the 60's as well
Not sure what the hippie movement of the 60's has to do with video games of 2000. Big difference comparing a game released in 2001 that was superior in every way to one released in 2008 and the hippie movement of the 60's.
Thats your opinion but that doesn't make it true. It only makes it true to you.
To me this game is, as of right now, the 2nd best MMORPG out on the market. (No its not WoW thats #1.)
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From your posts it looks like your ALMOST a troll. All you do is come on the WAR forums to say how bad, when its not bad at all.
Heh talking about skill or "bad at PVP"? WAR is just a really really dumb game... meaning it has really really dumbed-down gameplay. The entire PVE experience lvl 1-40 is zerging Public Quests with 15 other noobs until you get max rep and gear then moving 100 yards down the zone to the next PQ location to rinse repeat. PVP it's about spamming and zerging together with your team in instanced and pointless scenarios or tank and spank on extremely boring keep guards and bosses with a laughable battering ram minigame that looks like it should be running on a 386 from 1984
Simply put there's very little room for skill in this game. Some of the class design ideas are kind of cool, and of course the IP and Lore is great courtesy of Games Workshop but the combat engine is extremely poor and the gameplay is just straight noob, especially if you're coming from a high-level (2200+ arena/Rank 14) WOW or any sort of competitve FPS environment.
To give an idea to those of you who haven't tried WAR, first of all, the way the game handles packets is extremely unresponsive (aka laggy). To compensate for this, WAR has an extremely LONG buffer... I've been playing PVP MMOs 10 years ago starting with UO (then EQ then DAOC then WOW, GW etc etc) Warhammer Online is the first game where server lag is distractingly noticable in every aspect of gameplay. Anything you do in game you feel lag before your avatar responds in-game. You literally press attack or mount up or any action and can literally count off "one and two and..." before you see the action in game. Sure in other games you can occasionally see the same effects (for example summoning a mount in WOW or casting a long 6 second spell you can cheat and start moving 200ms before the client registers it on-screen... now imagine that EVERY action in the game has that same lag x10.) This has ramifications on gameplay beyond normal annoyance. For example interacting with mobs... if you're running through some mobs and you drop a root on them as you run past, the game doesn't register it until it updates your and their locations a couple seconds later. In every situation they'll continue to beat on you within melee range for those 1...2...3... seconds until the server registers the proper positions of the mobs... then they ghost back to being rooted in the proper location 30 yards behind you.... and yes the game REGISTERS the damage it's done to you. If they kill you during that time of latency with those "ghost" hits, when the game updates you'll ghost to dead. If they do something like knock you back or otherwise interact with your location, the client will drag you back to THEIR location and knock you back/down starting from that location.
If you're a noob and you're just standing there toe-to-toe not moving with the mobs it's not such a big deal... but if you are executing intricate fine-motor manuevers like spinning around and knocking back that tank that's on you then whirling around and DPSing the caster you're after is basically impossible... the game updates after you've done both actions and will basically default to whichever movement you executed last. Things like running behind someone to knock them back in the oppostie direction back to your team (a pretty basic manuver in a game like WOW or FPS) is impossible since the game autofaces and lags... you'll simply end up hitting them in the same direction you were running before you turned your character around to do the knockback (basically you'll appear to knock them BEHIND you opposite the direction you just turned) For all the criticisms WOW has as a true E-sport at least the game mechanics are smooth... you can quickly target enemies, execute moves and the client responds smoothly like in a FPS... Warhammer is extremely crude its PVP will never evolve beyond the rudimentary team tactics of early DAOC. I mean, I've played from 3 different locations all with <100ms ping and the game is laggy as hell because of the poor game engine and server architecture... and this is supposed to be a PVP game...
Another huge issue is related to the way WAR handles latency and how it compensates with that huge ass buffer. The game eats keystrokes... basically EVERY discrete action in the game locks out EVERY other thing in the game. So if you dismount, click stop moving on your mouse and press attack on the run you'll end up running past your target as the game eats your mouse click in order to process your attack keystroke. Good news is now your attack (the last thing you pressed) is on... bad news is the game ate your mouse click and you're running with your attack on in the opposite direction of your target. Basically every single thing in the game even looting has a .5 second lockout. What that means is that things like Chosen auras and Chosen attack moves which are technically on separate cooldowns, in reality all share a .5 second game-global cooldown (in addition to sharing a global cooldown with everything from moving to looting in-game). So something like looting can't be done without lag... if you click click click on 3 corpses the game basically only recognizes the last thing you clicked... so now you're standing there spamming click to loot to make sure you loot everything. If you suck, this is actually kind of good... means no one can actually do anything quicker in-game due to better reactions but this in effect dumbs down PVP and makes skill even less important. Even a 60 year old retard can click on something every .5 seconds or so while the game auto-faces you in the direction of your opponent.
As for the PVP bugs and imbalances... it's hard to believe this game was in beta for...what? 15 months? I'm averaging 6+ bug submissions a day and that's not including issues with quests or art. The things people are bitching about like problems with Tab targeting, flight masters crashing your client etc are mere inconveniences that will eventually be fixed some time into release... that combat engine though... it's going to ensure the game hovers around 300-500k for its entire life and never makes it into the big time. It's simply not fun enough to draw in casuals console players like WOW did nor is it responsive or complex enough to entice hardcore skilled PVPers. It's a sort of middle of the road, dumb, spammable PVP like EQ and DAOC were. Honestly you'd rate it below WOW which was released in 04 or Guildwars, Lineage 2, and even UO which is 10 years old but at least was a decent PVP game. I'd honestly rate it at about Everquest Zek quality in terms of complexity and responsiveness... which isn't great considering that EQ was basically built on a MUD text-based engine from 94 and EQ was released in 1998
Guess you werent around for the same thing done better 7 years ago
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He wasnt around for the hippie movement in the 60's as well
Not sure what the hippie movement of the 60's has to do with video games of 2000. Big difference comparing a game released in 2001 that was superior in every way to one released in 2008 and the hippie movement of the 60's.
Thats your opinion but that doesn't make it true. It only makes it true to you.
To me this game is, as of right now, the 2nd best MMORPG out on the market. (No its not WoW thats #1.)
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From your posts it looks like your ALMOST a troll. All you do is come on the WAR forums to say how bad, when its not bad at all.
BINGO!
Today's lesson "How to identify a long winded troll." Step 1: look for complete untruths in the post. Highlighted above you see such an untruth. WoW, in its current release state, does not have a knockback mechanic, so it cannot be a basic manuver in WoW to run behind someone to knock them back towards your team.
Please, remember to always be on the look out for trolls.
Today's lesson "How to identify a long winded troll." Step 1: look for complete untruths in the post. Highlighted above you see such an untruth. WoW, in its current release state, does not have a knockback mechanic, so it cannot be a basic manuver in WoW to run behind someone to knock them back towards your team.
Please, remember to always be on the look out for trolls.
I was wondering whether they had introduced some new ability in WoW since I'd left the game. Trolls never do check their facts.
To the OP, The Return Key is your friend! Wall of Text Crit! Ah!