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What would be wrong getting to L40 by Scenaros ONLY?
Krasher
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I have found that I enjoy WAR the least when I am questing...and from what I have read, it seems like others agree. So, is there a reason I could not get to L40 by scenaros ONLY? What would I be missing? I am L13 right now and from what I can tell, I am getting way more exp from the scenaros.
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Ok lets see.... you could level to max with just scenarios.
Lets all look at the ramifications of doing such a thing.
If everyone stays in scenarios there wouldnt be World pvp (no keep battles/sieges/pvp quests/random encounter pvp/guild banner skirmishes) there also wouldnt be any one doing dungeons, questing, PQing.
Sure go ahead do nothing but que up for battlegrounds/scenarios but I promise you if everyone does that WAR will die before the year is out due to lack of community.
I remember all the old WoW pvpers getting so excited about WAR saying they finally have a reason to do some world pvp, now that the game is out all they do is que for scenarios (the same shit they did in WoW).
I find this funny to be honest.
EDIT: Oh and OP i am in no way calling you a Ex-wow player just saying that the WoW playerbase is WARs intended target and by war targetting these players they basically drove a nail into thier own coffin due to the anti-social "me me me" nature of the WoW player.
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There is nothing 'wrong' with doing it that way. The problem is 'can you handle the grind'. Most of the developers time went into developing the tier RvR aspect of the game. The scenarios are pretty shallow.
What is happening now is most players are doing scenarios far more than anything else. The more that do this, the less likely it is that RvR will take place at all. On most servers, there really is no RvR.
There are just a ton of players who bought Warhammer for RvR.. and basically I couldn't find it. I did PQs, quests and scenarios.. and they all got old very very fast. I would guess the majority of players are similar in that they expected to be doing great big RvR battles, not standing around waiting for a scenario to proc.
So you personally might be able to level to 40 in scenerios.. but I would bet a lot of players like myself quit because we didn't find it fun and dind't buy warhammer to do that.
Well if a shame if everyone does that.. which they are because it is the best way to exp.
Personally I wanted to play an MMORPG.. not an instanced PvP game. So it frustrates me that I have to do scenarios to keep up with my guildmates.
Not that scenarios aren't fun.. but theyre a shallow form of PvP compared with open world RvR.
If this is true then warhammer is already broken, Scenarios needs to be nerfed horribly or this game will die.
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Your main loss in doing your progression strictly through scenarios is as Z3RO1 said a lack of experience and plain fun in open rvr and keep sieging situations. I can tell you right now, 40 and no idea how to take a keep down properly is going to hurt you bigtime.
The other thing would be equipment progression. While you can technicly survive off of the auctionhouse and rvr equipment, the options that public quest rallymaster rewards as well as lootbag rewards offer exceptional stats that you may not be able to find otherwise. For example, as a tank, if your rvr/world drop set for your level has low toughness and you need more to up your survivability...well...out of luck til next armor set.
I wouldn't recommend it myself, but I tend to be very picky about my equipment and stats I want in particular, and I wouldn't be able to achieve my stat goals purely on rvr/world drop sets alone. It's your game though, your monthly fee, so if you wanna go for it go for it! Who knows, there might be an unlockable out there for leveling to 40 strictly in scenario combat.
I didn't try out a scenario until I was about level 9 and then found that I could level way faster running the same mind numbingly boring scenario than I could doing the same mind numbingly boring grind/quests. at least with the quests I get different scenery. Personally I would love to see Mythic tone down the exp you receive in scenarios so it's not the best way to level. I'm in an open PvP server and so far their is very little action in PQs, in towns or world PvP (though that may be due to still being rather low level) while I can get into another scenario within a few minutes of finishing one. To me scenarios are killing the game, I thought we were going to have real realm vs realm with this game, finally some fun PvP, instead everyone is focused on instanced skirmishes.
At best, Warhammer scenarios are the same as WOW's BGs. I personally feel WOW is better because the maps are bigger and more strategic. I never got into a scenerio that wasn't just a huge zerg on a small map.
But that is a secondary issue. If I was doing RvR and just occasionally doing a scenario, it would be fine. The problem is, as you stated.. it's just so much easier to get exp by doing scenarios that most players are taking the easy route.
The need to nerf scenarios, merge servers ( to insure peopel in the rvr areas) and get rid of the 'que anywhere' feature of scenarios. As it is now, you have to run across a map to the RvR area only to find it empty.. or you can stand anywhere and que for a scenario and be guaranteed some fighting in a reasonable amount of time.
If this is true then warhammer is already broken, Scenarios needs to be nerfed horribly or this game will die.
It is true in my opinion. However, this is so, so easy to fix. Just adjust a few values and voila. Not sure if mythic recognise the problem yet tho...
Just want to say ... WoW BG and WAR scenario are not meant to be the same thing. WAR is focused on War effort, and, war is mainly lot of people battling for something, at least, in these kind of world. And WoW bg are more like skirmish to get something the other possess without hurting him or us too much.
In other word, WAR = Zerg, WoW lil group battling over something.
I can be wrong, that's my 2 cents
If this is true then warhammer is already broken, Scenarios needs to be nerfed horribly or this game will die.
It is true in my opinion. However, this is so, so easy to fix. Just adjust a few values and voila. Not sure if mythic recognise the problem yet tho...
Well seeing how they added features to be able to que up for any scenario in a tier at any time and you can even que up for all of them if you'd like now. So no, I don't think they recognize this as a problem.
Probably because it's supposed to be a World PvP game not an instanced PvP game.
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What things are best for- Scenarios are the best things for XP. World RvR is the fastest way to gain Reknown Rank. PQs are the easiest way to get the best loot. I try to do all 3 depending on what I feel like focusing on.
Actually NO. It's an RvR game. RvR encompasses both World PvP and Instanced PvP as well as other factors into a faction on faction war. Just because you happen to want to only do World PvP does not mean thats the focus of the game.
Other than you missing out on other parts of the game I would say nothing is wrong with it. Its just a shame: here we have one of the most established lores ever turned into an mmorpg and the pve rpg part of the game is lame as hell.
Also, what are you going to do once you hit 40? More scenarios? Or the RvR or PvE that you found boring enough to ignore from lvl 1 - 39?
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Actually NO. It's an RvR game. RvR encompasses both World PvP and Instanced PvP as well as other factors into a faction on faction war. Just because you happen to want to only do World PvP does not mean thats the focus of the game.
Your wrong.
Instanced PvP has no affect on realm. There for instanced PvP =/= RvR. So. you fail. GF, was close.
And if you took the time to read any of my other Scenario posts, you'd see I do those more because they are easier to do. So instead of making an attack.. read some more. Your flaming skills are horrible.
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If all you want to do is level, nothing.
Keep in mind, theres a lot of things to unlock in the game that will seperate us in the end. Skills and items to be precise, that cant be unlocked by doing a single aspect of the game alone.
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Actually NO. It's an RvR game. RvR encompasses both World PvP and Instanced PvP as well as other factors into a faction on faction war. Just because you happen to want to only do World PvP does not mean thats the focus of the game.
RvR originated in Daoc, and there it was world pvp only, their were none of these instances or scenarios, though their were zones which lower level players could all meet in and defend/attack a keep.
RvR's focus in that game was always in doing something for your realm, not just to level yourself up. Scenario's do next to nothing as far as doing something to bring power to your realm, its jsut an easy and fun way to level for some.
Scenario's were pulled from the PvP style that WoW became popular for, not really considered RvR.
Well, for me, I don't see anything wrong with it. In fact, I think it's great. What I would like though is for Questing and open world PvP to be just as effective at leveling as the scenarios, or at least close enough where we have an option. I don't see anything wrong with it per se, and I don't know how others can think it's just a bad thing to level completely through scenarios if someone wishes. I'd just wish it wasn't the only option. We do have options, but not logical ones; our other choices are ones that are practically obsolete in exp gain. I just think they need to buff quest exp and exp gain from taking keeps and what-not so that there's at least a point to it all.
Well..
If they lowered the XP gain in scenarios as well as raised the xp gain doing quests (and I think they aready did in open RvR) then scenarios would be nothing more than mini games. Which.. would mean they would be less of a grind. I wouldn't mind seeing the scenarios UNAVAILBE at level 40 to encourage people to to RvR only. However, there is a problem with this.. Scenerios.. the battles are even. Always 12 vs 12 (as far as tier 1 and 2 go. I'm unsure of any higher tiers). In open world PvP.. it's more of a numbers game. And no one likes to lose because they have less people. Order will not fair well in the end game for keep control.
Simple answer: Lower Xp gain in Scenarios, Raise xp gain for questing to make that a vialbe alternative. AND greatly raise the xp for PQ's to drive people into those.
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And it would be nice if the quest gave some good item rewards cuz only a few quest do that. Also I think one reason people dont do the keeps is because they dont feel like walking all the way there and when you die you gotta walk back again.
it will take forever if your destruction as on my server we never win. order win at east 90% of the time. they alway have 28s and 29s, while they stick us with 24s and below. very unfair match ups most of the time, dont know why
Actually NO. It's an RvR game. RvR encompasses both World PvP and Instanced PvP as well as other factors into a faction on faction war. Just because you happen to want to only do World PvP does not mean thats the focus of the game.
Your wrong.
Instanced PvP has no affect on realm. There for instanced PvP =/= RvR. So. you fail. GF, was close.
And if you took the time to read any of my other Scenario posts, you'd see I do those more because they are easier to do. So instead of making an attack.. read some more. Your flaming skills are horrible.
No, Your wrong.
Instanced PVP has effect on the realm, Instanced PVP = RVR, so you fail. If you want to continue with your useless prattle go ahead. However try watching some of the pod casts explaining what Mythic considers is RVR and how each type pvp affects the overall scheme of things. Untill then please dont try to correct anyone with incorrect information.
Actually NO. It's an RvR game. RvR encompasses both World PvP and Instanced PvP as well as other factors into a faction on faction war. Just because you happen to want to only do World PvP does not mean thats the focus of the game.
Your wrong.
Instanced PvP has no affect on realm. There for instanced PvP =/= RvR. So. you fail. GF, was close.
And if you took the time to read any of my other Scenario posts, you'd see I do those more because they are easier to do. So instead of making an attack.. read some more. Your flaming skills are horrible.
No, Your wrong.
Instanced PVP has effect on the realm, Instanced PVP = RVR, so you fail. If you want to continue with your useless prattle go ahead. However try watching some of the pod casts explaining what Mythic considers is RVR and how each type pvp affects the overall scheme of things. Untill then please dont try to correct anyone with incorrect information.
Nope sorry dude..
The SCENARIOS DO NOT AFFECT THE REALM STATUS OF THE TIER. Try it some time.. you'll notice. have a nice day.. Next time don't come into a conversation you have no part of.. Bye!
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Scenarios have a "minor" affect on the realm control .. its so incredibly minor though. Anyone who heavily participates in scenarios thinking sweet I've beat 10 scenarios in a row for X realm ... X realm should be really looking good for my side are dreaming. If your side owns no keeps and no world objectives your realm at that Tier pretty much belongs to the otherside.
You can't lock realms down and get the bonus's for owning the realm by doing just scenarios. You can't get the best RvR gear in the game by doing just scenarios or a lots of pve.
The gear sets can not be finished if you don't Open RvR unless your doing the 'mercenary' set which is a mix of PvE & PvP (and the stats are only decent so far). Keep Lords & World Objective Champions drop PQ style RvR loot its some of the coolest looking loot in the game and they're also the only way to get the full RvR gear set.
Scenarios were meant as a way for casuals to make good xp and decent Rp...I've found doing a mix of everything but leaning heavily towards Open RvR nets me the best in both. You garner far more RP doign Open then you ever well in Scenarios. I expect scenario grinders to get rather upset at T4.
thankfully according to the devs on the VN boards they are working on something to increase the appeal to Open RvR without 'nerfing' Scenarios. Hpefully this means more XP for participation or more ways to garner gold and gear.
Leveling on scenarios alone is fine and a valid way to progress.
The only problem I see with this is that PQ/quest loot currently is much better than what you can get in scenarios, so you'll have a ton of gear that is subpar compared to someone who did PQs.
That being said, it's a fun way to level if you like doing tons of them.
I broke my leveling up into 90% scenarios and 10% PQ for the influence rewards.
Unfortunately, I'm renown capped and I currently wear zero items from renown and only wear the influence/quest/drop rewards at level 38.