I also think people are failing to notice that Warhammer has dropped to #72 on the sales charts. There just isn't a huge influx of new players coming any time soon. That 750k is about all you have to work with for the next 6 months.. we'll see how many you keep.
That means nothing since World of Warcraft is #261.
Um.. WOW is #1 with wraith, and like #18 with the battlechest (vanilla + burning crusade), #22 with BC and #28 with vanilla WOW. Also, they only go to #100.. which I'm guessing, in another week or two will be where Warhammer is.
Statisticaly speaking it has success, 750,000 registered people. and rising. I wish i could find the numbers of popuplation decress in wow on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems people cant wait to leave wow. So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ? Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?. Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not. In other words, if the game is on the shelf at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.
What other MMOs did WoW "kill?" I don't think it killed any. Let's see....EQ2 and GW were released right AROUND the same time as WoW. I know this, because I played in the open beta for all three and ultimately chose WoW of those three. However, they're all three still up and running and experiencing success.
Since then, I have also played EQ2, EVE, and WoW at the same time, subscribing to all three of them. I never returned to GW after the beta.
Before WoW I was playing Neverwinter Nights, which although you can play it online with others, I wouldn't call it an MMO. Uhm...UO was out then, but UO still has a LOT of the same player base, as it's fans are pretty hardcore UO lovers. And I too go back to see what's going on in UO and check on my guild and house, etc.
I just can't think of any HUGELY successful MMOrpg that was up and running four years ago that WoW "killed." Maybe my memory is just bad?
Oh, and also, on the comment "it seems people can't wait to leave WoW".....that's true of some people in EVERY game, including Warhammer, EQ2, GW, whatever. People come and go from games. It's the nature of gaming. Not everyone stays with one game for years and years, but....the number of people that DO, determine, to a large degree, the game's ultimate longevity and longterm successes. Consider the original EQ, which STILL has players that have been playing for TEN YEARS. (Maybe longer...I don't remember the release date.)
I don't think the "success" of a game can be judged just a few short weeks out of the starting gate. I think the subscriber base has to be looked at a bit further out. Some games are "flash in the pan" successes that make a lot of money for a few months, then slowly dwindle. Other's last for years and years, and yet some others fall somewhere in between. But I bet if you look at most professionally released MMOs....they ALL still have some people playing them, because all of them appeal to SOME PART of the gaming market.
Excellent post and very well written. Kudos!
An awful lot of people seem to have this hang up with wanting to see games die. It really is a kind of strange, obsessive behavior.
It's not enough for folks to simply not like a game, say "adios" and move on. No no. If they don't like it then it should not exist. Another game must come along and kill it so no one else can play and enjoy it either.
"If I don't enjoy it, no one can!"
That said...
Neverwinter Nights was my first online multiplayer game heheh. My "gateway drug" to MMOs, if you will. I used to play on Dor Maeglin, Realm of The Lost Legion and, when it was around, Western Shores/Mercenary Work, if any of those ring a bell.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I also think people are failing to notice that Warhammer has dropped to #72 on the sales charts. There just isn't a huge influx of new players coming any time soon. That 750k is about all you have to work with for the next 6 months.. we'll see how many you keep.
That means nothing since World of Warcraft is #261.
Um.. WOW is #1 with wraith, and like #18 with the battlechest (vanilla + burning crusade), #22 with BC and #28 with vanilla WOW. Also, they only go to #100.. which I'm guessing, in another week or two will be where Warhammer is.
Manchine, you contradicted yourself. First you say WoW is #261 (Have no idea where you got this number from maybe numbers instead of gas comes out of your nether regions)
Then you look it up (smart idea) and say WoW #26. Not too bad for a game thats been out for 4 years and its main competition on the retail market is other versions of itself.
Originally posted by girlgeek Originally posted by lorndarken Statisticaly speaking it has success, 750,000 registered people. and rising. I wish i could find the numbers of popuplation decress in wow on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems people cant wait to leave wow. So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ? Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?. Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not. In other words, if the game is on the shelf at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.
What other MMOs did WoW "kill?" I don't think it killed any. Let's see....EQ2 and GW were released right AROUND the same time as WoW. I know this, because I played in the open beta for all three and ultimately chose WoW of those three. However, they're all three still up and running and experiencing success. Since then, I have also played EQ2, EVE, and WoW at the same time, subscribing to all three of them. I never returned to GW after the beta. Before WoW I was playing Neverwinter Nights, which although you can play it online with others, I wouldn't call it an MMO. Uhm...UO was out then, but UO still has a LOT of the same player base, as it's fans are pretty hardcore UO lovers. And I too go back to see what's going on in UO and check on my guild and house, etc. I just can't think of any HUGELY successful MMOrpg that was up and running four years ago that WoW "killed." Maybe my memory is just bad? Oh, and also, on the comment "it seems people can't wait to leave WoW".....that's true of some people in EVERY game, including Warhammer, EQ2, GW, whatever. People come and go from games. It's the nature of gaming. Not everyone stays with one game for years and years, but....the number of people that DO, determine, to a large degree, the game's ultimate longevity and longterm successes. Consider the original EQ, which STILL has players that have been playing for TEN YEARS. (Maybe longer...I don't remember the release date.) I don't think the "success" of a game can be judged just a few short weeks out of the starting gate. I think the subscriber base has to be looked at a bit further out. Some games are "flash in the pan" successes that make a lot of money for a few months, then slowly dwindle. Other's last for years and years, and yet some others fall somewhere in between. But I bet if you look at most professionally released MMOs....they ALL still have some people playing them, because all of them appeal to SOME PART of the gaming market.
should probably know a bit more of the mmo history before you talk, the leading mmo of the time was Everquest, the other big games were Dark Age of Camelot, Asherons Call and Anarchy Online. Everquest 2 came out just months before WoW did but it never had any effect on the market it didn't even get close to Everquests sub numbers at the time somewhere around a third.
Since then there has been other mmos that have staken a claim but never done anything remotely to threaten WoW. First it was Vangaurd which launched far to early and crashed (but never burnt), and games like EvE, City of Heroes, Lotro, D&D online, GW to mention a few but none has come within a tenth of the subs of WoW.
As for WAR is it a WoW killer? god no not even close, it would have needed at least 5 million sales in the first month as it is hardly any of the people that now play WAR were playing WoW at the time of WAR's launch, ex WoW players maybe but not currently active among the 10 million not really, and not many.
I suspect WoW will hit at least 12 million next year and WAR will settle at 1 million if they are lucky. But frankly WAR is not nearly good enough to kill WoW, and while there are some new and fun things in WAR its not a better game overall.
I also think people are failing to notice that Warhammer has dropped to #72 on the sales charts. There just isn't a huge influx of new players coming any time soon. That 750k is about all you have to work with for the next 6 months.. we'll see how many you keep.
That means nothing since World of Warcraft is #261.
Um.. WOW is #1 with wraith, and like #18 with the battlechest (vanilla + burning crusade), #22 with BC and #28 with vanilla WOW. Also, they only go to #100.. which I'm guessing, in another week or two will be where Warhammer is.
Manchine, you contradicted yourself. First you say WoW is #261 (Have no idea where you got this number from maybe numbers instead of gas comes out of your nether regions)
Then you look it up (smart idea) and say WoW #26. Not too bad for a game thats been out for 4 years and its main competition on the retail market is other versions of itself.
I looked at 2 different sites. The first one I did a search for Video Game Sales. Thats the number it gave for me. Then I did a search on Amazon. Hope that clears it up.
WoW #26 WAR #5 WAR Collectors Edition#25 WoW Burning Crusades #1
This useless bit of single source trivia brought to you by online sales incorporated. Most people buy their games in stores once they are available. Do I have any idea how box sales are going currently? Of course not, no one does.
Thats why my original post said that means nothing.
Amazon's top video game sellers Warhammer is #93 on this list. Guess which game is #1? I like this list because people have to vote with their $40. And Amazon isn't making money off of ad sales like gamespot.
We wait patiently till Mythic will have created its 1 M account on their servers....
Meanwhille in the cellars of Mythic downtown....
..."John is working very hard on the servers right now to create those accounts, aren't we John?"
..."John, John ! wake up man, you were sleeping again. Yeah I know we are all bored with this thing, but this creating account stuff is important man: create those accounts right now damned !!!..."
I already hear Marc coming down the stairs. Hurry up, we only have 4 weeks to do the job.
"Sir?, where do I put all those deleted cancelled beta and pre release accounts...". Don't delete them for Christ sake !!!.
Only time will reduce WoW subs. Players will move on when they get tired of it. This is true. Right now WoW still looks decent so players will play it, but let me ask you this do you think the new mmo players will play WOW 2-3 years down the road when the New MMOs look like Gears of war? I doubt it. Are you speaking from a position of knowledge in the Industry? Are you a developer that has some secret tool in the works? If so, I'd love to hear the details. Massive online games cannot attain photo-realistic quality due to common broadband speed and the high data transfer requirements of high polygon, high texture graphics. I understand the desire, but it just doesn't "play well". Why do you think WAR has the look and feel it does? Why do you think spell and action animations are so "poor" (I understand this is subjective)...because in a keep battle, with tons of people RvR-ing, Mythic knows that any graphics quality higher than the current would NOT WORK. Performance is already an issue with what you currently see on the market. You do the math.
Amazon's top video game sellers Warhammer is #93 on this list. Guess which game is #1? I like this list because people have to vote with their $40. And Amazon isn't making money off of ad sales like gamespot.
Thats of all time of course. WoW has had how many years ahead of WAR. So that wouldn't be smart to use that.
Edit Checked the link.
According to the link WoW expansion is #1 not WoW.
Originally posted by Manchine Originally posted by wozzuAmazon's top video game sellers Warhammer is #93 on this list. Guess which game is #1? I like this list because people have to vote with their $40. And Amazon isn't making money off of ad sales like gamespot.
Thats of all time of course. WoW has had how many years ahead of WAR. So that wouldn't be smart to use that.
No, that's current sales updated every hour I believe.
I like this list because people have to vote with their $40.
And Amazon isn't making money off of ad sales like gamespot.
Thats of all time of course. WoW has had how many years ahead of WAR. So that wouldn't be smart to use that.
No, that's current sales updated every hour I believe.
Mine shows even more precise. Sorry WoW expansions don't count since they don't bring in new people. Thats what people are talking about here.
Face it, you are into an uphill battle you can't win....
Expansions like the battlechest include basic wow and tbc. Expansions sell the basic box again.
You know the real secret of WAR's success or failure? : look it up and it was the first downfall of AoC after 3 weeks...
Go into the PC best seller list --- see the sub cards for Wow? Always in top 15. Always.
Now look at the sub cards for WAR. ... keep on scrolling .... and we are in ... PC sales here 'so few copies ..." nowhere in the top 50... at a moment sub cards need to be ordered.....
After 5 weeks or so AoC sub cards fell completely out of the top 100. The moment that will be the case for War it is over and out to further growth.
Xfire stats just don't lie. And the free play period ends in 8 days ....
These "is this the new wow killer" threads are getting very old, I mean the only game forum in here where you wont find a wow killer thread are the hello kitty ones because the word killl was banned from these forums.
the only troll i see is you , mr. beaverz
this was a discususion about the economics of what in term would be defind as killing the competetion, not the fun of a game, not peoples subscription to the game, or gameplay but the economics. and by comparison wow has had a long ride in the mmo world by dominating the competetion in terms of market sell.
which in return blind trolls like yourself refused to see and asumed this thread was an attack on the wow community / or community of other mmos. when clearly this was not the case.
<--------------------------------------- the exit is that aways mr troll , try using it.
These "is this the new wow killer" threads are getting very old, I mean the only game forum in here where you wont find a wow killer thread are the hello kitty ones because the word killl was banned from these forums.
the only troll i see is you , mr. beaverz
this was a discususion about the economics of what in term would be defind as killing the competetion, not the fun of a game, not peoples subscription to the game, or gameplay but the economics. and by comparison wow has had a long ride in the mmo world by dominating the competetion in terms of market sell.
which in return blind trolls like yourself refused to see and asumed this thread was an attack on the wow community / or community of other mmos. when clearly this was not the case.
<--------------------------------------- the exit is that aways mr troll , try using it.
I'm not reading this whole thread of dribble, instead I'm commenting on who you quoted and what you said.
From the quoted comments I don't see where it is "trolling" as you say. The poll could be left out, but that is beside the point. I agree with him (don't know about hello kitty though) this topic has been the title of countless threads and even more posts.
Give it a rest, nobody really gives a flip if the game "kills" wow or gives it competition; most people just want it to be a good game and that is it. The fact that you have to compare it to WOW, yes the old argument of it is the big kid on the block and every game must be measured against it is also dried up, shows the tunnel vision you have created for yourself.
Type in the title of your thread and hit search, see how original you are?
Statisticaly speaking it has success, 750,000 registered people. and rising. I wish i could find the numbers of popuplation decress in wow on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems people cant wait to leave wow. So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ? Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?. Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not. In other words, if the game is on the shelf at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.
Statisticaly speaking it has success, 750,000 registered people. and rising. I wish i could find the numbers of popuplation decress in wow on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems people cant wait to leave wow. So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ? Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?. Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not. In other words, if the game is on the shelf at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.
Easy answer NO!
WAR is pretty boring and needs help....
Your opinion.
I have had more fun during the launch of this game than I ever had playing WoW. I tried WoW more than once too.
There is more going on in WARs gameplay, design, and mechanics now at launch then any MMO I have ever played. That's fact. Anyone that disagrees just doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you like PvP, solo play, grouping, guild leveling, looting/gathering, high populations, humor, a great backstory (PQs are great), unique classes, achievements, or, exploring then WAR is fun.
If you are a jaded MMO player waiting around for that perfect game. You will still be jaded. Once you stop hunting for that experience you had in your first MMO you can start to enjoy MMOs again. Just have fun.
Statisticaly speaking it has success, 750,000 registered people. and rising. I wish i could find the numbers of popuplation decress in wow on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems people cant wait to leave wow. So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ? Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?. Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not. In other words, if the game is on the shelf at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.
Easy answer NO!
WAR is pretty boring and needs help....
Your opinion.
I have had more fun during the launch of this game than I ever had playing WoW. I tried WoW more than once too.
There is more going on in WARs gameplay, design, and mechanics now at launch then any MMO I have ever played. That's fact. Anyone that disagrees just doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you like PvP, solo play, grouping, guild leveling, looting/gathering, high populations, humor, a great backstory (PQs are great), unique classes, achievements, or, exploring then WAR is fun.
If you are a jaded MMO player waiting around for that perfect game. You will still be jaded. Once you stop hunting for that experience you had in your first MMO you can start to enjoy MMOs again. Just have fun.
I think WAR is kinda boring too, but that's due to my personal preferences (Not a big pvp fan) and is my opinion alone.
That said my first mmo experience was FFXI, a game that relied far too much on grouping to be my taste, then along came EQ2 which i liked but again there was the issue of forced grouping so i went to WoW, and along with DDO (while it had forced grouping too i was prepared for it) that's the game i liked best, so here i am today playing WoW and enjoying it still.
Statisticaly speaking it has success, 750,000 registered people. and rising. I wish i could find the numbers of popuplation decress in wow on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems people cant wait to leave wow. So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ? Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?. Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not. In other words, if the game is on the shelf at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.
Easy answer NO!
WAR is pretty boring and needs help....
Your opinion.
I have had more fun during the launch of this game than I ever had playing WoW. I tried WoW more than once too.
There is more going on in WARs gameplay, design, and mechanics now at launch then any MMO I have ever played. That's fact. Anyone that disagrees just doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you like PvP, solo play, grouping, guild leveling, looting/gathering, high populations, humor, a great backstory (PQs are great), unique classes, achievements, or, exploring then WAR is fun.
If you are a jaded MMO player waiting around for that perfect game. You will still be jaded. Once you stop hunting for that experience you had in your first MMO you can start to enjoy MMOs again. Just have fun.
Well that was dumb, of course it's my opinion and now we have yours....
yea pretty much the same as AoC at this stage... problem is though you better hope it keeps those numbers because the game is unplayable with low populations.
yea pretty much the same as AoC at this stage... problem is though you better hope it keeps those numbers because the game is unplayable with low populations.
It's funny how similar all the numbers have been so far. Initial box sales, then the huge plunge in box sales. Almost Identical Xfire number and then plunges there.
Overall, I think subscriptions for AOC and Warhammer will be about the same on Dec 1st. The only real difference is that Warhammer players are just kinda disappointed and sad... whereas AOC players were mad. Other than that though, the numbers all look identical.
WAR has way to many glitches in its game play,you tend to get stuck in almost anything-even water.My character was swimming one time and it was really hovering over it insted of actually being in the water.And unlike WAR,WoW never has that much glitches.But not just glitches is the problem,It will never have as much players as WoW does-*one reason being its M+ rated so not much teenagers will get the game themselves just like how you can buy WoW which is T rated).
Take my answer as do many here know-WAR will never and always not be up at the top of WoWs place.
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That means nothing since World of Warcraft is #261.
Um.. WOW is #1 with wraith, and like #18 with the battlechest (vanilla + burning crusade), #22 with BC and #28 with vanilla WOW. Also, they only go to #100.. which I'm guessing, in another week or two will be where Warhammer is.
Looked it up on Amazon (PC Games).
WoW #26
WAR #5
WAR Collectors Edition#25
WoW Burning Crusades #1
nvm >.<
What other MMOs did WoW "kill?" I don't think it killed any. Let's see....EQ2 and GW were released right AROUND the same time as WoW. I know this, because I played in the open beta for all three and ultimately chose WoW of those three. However, they're all three still up and running and experiencing success.
Since then, I have also played EQ2, EVE, and WoW at the same time, subscribing to all three of them. I never returned to GW after the beta.
Before WoW I was playing Neverwinter Nights, which although you can play it online with others, I wouldn't call it an MMO. Uhm...UO was out then, but UO still has a LOT of the same player base, as it's fans are pretty hardcore UO lovers. And I too go back to see what's going on in UO and check on my guild and house, etc.
I just can't think of any HUGELY successful MMOrpg that was up and running four years ago that WoW "killed." Maybe my memory is just bad?
Oh, and also, on the comment "it seems people can't wait to leave WoW".....that's true of some people in EVERY game, including Warhammer, EQ2, GW, whatever. People come and go from games. It's the nature of gaming. Not everyone stays with one game for years and years, but....the number of people that DO, determine, to a large degree, the game's ultimate longevity and longterm successes. Consider the original EQ, which STILL has players that have been playing for TEN YEARS. (Maybe longer...I don't remember the release date.)
I don't think the "success" of a game can be judged just a few short weeks out of the starting gate. I think the subscriber base has to be looked at a bit further out. Some games are "flash in the pan" successes that make a lot of money for a few months, then slowly dwindle. Other's last for years and years, and yet some others fall somewhere in between. But I bet if you look at most professionally released MMOs....they ALL still have some people playing them, because all of them appeal to SOME PART of the gaming market.
Excellent post and very well written. Kudos!
An awful lot of people seem to have this hang up with wanting to see games die. It really is a kind of strange, obsessive behavior.
It's not enough for folks to simply not like a game, say "adios" and move on. No no. If they don't like it then it should not exist. Another game must come along and kill it so no one else can play and enjoy it either.
"If I don't enjoy it, no one can!"
That said...
Neverwinter Nights was my first online multiplayer game heheh. My "gateway drug" to MMOs, if you will. I used to play on Dor Maeglin, Realm of The Lost Legion and, when it was around, Western Shores/Mercenary Work, if any of those ring a bell.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
That means nothing since World of Warcraft is #261.
Um.. WOW is #1 with wraith, and like #18 with the battlechest (vanilla + burning crusade), #22 with BC and #28 with vanilla WOW. Also, they only go to #100.. which I'm guessing, in another week or two will be where Warhammer is.
Looked it up on Amazon (PC Games).
WoW #26
WAR #5
WAR Collectors Edition#25
WoW Burning Crusades #1
Manchine, you contradicted yourself. First you say WoW is #261 (Have no idea where you got this number from maybe numbers instead of gas comes out of your nether regions)
Then you look it up (smart idea) and say WoW #26. Not too bad for a game thats been out for 4 years and its main competition on the retail market is other versions of itself.
Depends. Is Blizzard AFK?
What other MMOs did WoW "kill?" I don't think it killed any. Let's see....EQ2 and GW were released right AROUND the same time as WoW. I know this, because I played in the open beta for all three and ultimately chose WoW of those three. However, they're all three still up and running and experiencing success.
Since then, I have also played EQ2, EVE, and WoW at the same time, subscribing to all three of them. I never returned to GW after the beta.
Before WoW I was playing Neverwinter Nights, which although you can play it online with others, I wouldn't call it an MMO. Uhm...UO was out then, but UO still has a LOT of the same player base, as it's fans are pretty hardcore UO lovers. And I too go back to see what's going on in UO and check on my guild and house, etc.
I just can't think of any HUGELY successful MMOrpg that was up and running four years ago that WoW "killed." Maybe my memory is just bad?
Oh, and also, on the comment "it seems people can't wait to leave WoW".....that's true of some people in EVERY game, including Warhammer, EQ2, GW, whatever. People come and go from games. It's the nature of gaming. Not everyone stays with one game for years and years, but....the number of people that DO, determine, to a large degree, the game's ultimate longevity and longterm successes. Consider the original EQ, which STILL has players that have been playing for TEN YEARS. (Maybe longer...I don't remember the release date.)
I don't think the "success" of a game can be judged just a few short weeks out of the starting gate. I think the subscriber base has to be looked at a bit further out. Some games are "flash in the pan" successes that make a lot of money for a few months, then slowly dwindle. Other's last for years and years, and yet some others fall somewhere in between. But I bet if you look at most professionally released MMOs....they ALL still have some people playing them, because all of them appeal to SOME PART of the gaming market.
should probably know a bit more of the mmo history before you talk, the leading mmo of the time was Everquest, the other big games were Dark Age of Camelot, Asherons Call and Anarchy Online. Everquest 2 came out just months before WoW did but it never had any effect on the market it didn't even get close to Everquests sub numbers at the time somewhere around a third.
Since then there has been other mmos that have staken a claim but never done anything remotely to threaten WoW. First it was Vangaurd which launched far to early and crashed (but never burnt), and games like EvE, City of Heroes, Lotro, D&D online, GW to mention a few but none has come within a tenth of the subs of WoW.
As for WAR is it a WoW killer? god no not even close, it would have needed at least 5 million sales in the first month as it is hardly any of the people that now play WAR were playing WoW at the time of WAR's launch, ex WoW players maybe but not currently active among the 10 million not really, and not many.
I suspect WoW will hit at least 12 million next year and WAR will settle at 1 million if they are lucky. But frankly WAR is not nearly good enough to kill WoW, and while there are some new and fun things in WAR its not a better game overall.
That means nothing since World of Warcraft is #261.
Um.. WOW is #1 with wraith, and like #18 with the battlechest (vanilla + burning crusade), #22 with BC and #28 with vanilla WOW. Also, they only go to #100.. which I'm guessing, in another week or two will be where Warhammer is.
Looked it up on Amazon (PC Games).
WoW #26
WAR #5
WAR Collectors Edition#25
WoW Burning Crusades #1
Manchine, you contradicted yourself. First you say WoW is #261 (Have no idea where you got this number from maybe numbers instead of gas comes out of your nether regions)
Then you look it up (smart idea) and say WoW #26. Not too bad for a game thats been out for 4 years and its main competition on the retail market is other versions of itself.
I looked at 2 different sites. The first one I did a search for Video Game Sales. Thats the number it gave for me. Then I did a search on Amazon. Hope that clears it up.
This useless bit of single source trivia brought to you by online sales incorporated. Most people buy their games in stores once they are available. Do I have any idea how box sales are going currently? Of course not, no one does.
Thats why my original post said that means nothing.
Amazon's top video game sellers
Warhammer is #93 on this list.
Guess which game is #1?
I like this list because people have to vote with their $40.
And Amazon isn't making money off of ad sales like gamespot.
We wait patiently till Mythic will have created its 1 M account on their servers....
Meanwhille in the cellars of Mythic downtown....
..."John is working very hard on the servers right now to create those accounts, aren't we John?"
..."John, John ! wake up man, you were sleeping again. Yeah I know we are all bored with this thing, but this creating account stuff is important man: create those accounts right now damned !!!..."
I already hear Marc coming down the stairs. Hurry up, we only have 4 weeks to do the job.
"Sir?, where do I put all those deleted cancelled beta and pre release accounts...". Don't delete them for Christ sake !!!.
"John you haven't deleted them have you John" ?
"John, John !!!" Oh My God.
Thats of all time of course. WoW has had how many years ahead of WAR. So that wouldn't be smart to use that.
Edit Checked the link.
According to the link WoW expansion is #1 not WoW.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/229575/ref=pd_ts_vg_nav
Here is the link to PC games.
Thats of all time of course. WoW has had how many years ahead of WAR. So that wouldn't be smart to use that.
No, that's current sales updated every hour I believe.
Thats of all time of course. WoW has had how many years ahead of WAR. So that wouldn't be smart to use that.
No, that's current sales updated every hour I believe.
Mine shows even more precise. Sorry WoW expansions don't count since they don't bring in new people. Thats what people are talking about here.
Thats of all time of course. WoW has had how many years ahead of WAR. So that wouldn't be smart to use that.
No, that's current sales updated every hour I believe.
Mine shows even more precise. Sorry WoW expansions don't count since they don't bring in new people. Thats what people are talking about here.
Face it, you are into an uphill battle you can't win....
Expansions like the battlechest include basic wow and tbc. Expansions sell the basic box again.
You know the real secret of WAR's success or failure? : look it up and it was the first downfall of AoC after 3 weeks...
Go into the PC best seller list --- see the sub cards for Wow? Always in top 15. Always.
Now look at the sub cards for WAR. ... keep on scrolling .... and we are in ... PC sales here 'so few copies ..." nowhere in the top 50... at a moment sub cards need to be ordered.....
After 5 weeks or so AoC sub cards fell completely out of the top 100. The moment that will be the case for War it is over and out to further growth.
Xfire stats just don't lie. And the free play period ends in 8 days ....
the only troll i see is you , mr. beaverz
this was a discususion about the economics of what in term would be defind as killing the competetion, not the fun of a game, not peoples subscription to the game, or gameplay but the economics. and by comparison wow has had a long ride in the mmo world by dominating the competetion in terms of market sell.
which in return blind trolls like yourself refused to see and asumed this thread was an attack on the wow community / or community of other mmos. when clearly this was not the case.
<--------------------------------------- the exit is that aways mr troll , try using it.
Please stop with the WoW vs WAR threads. They do NOT belong on this board. This thread has already been reported, but I doubt it will get looked at.
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the only troll i see is you , mr. beaverz
this was a discususion about the economics of what in term would be defind as killing the competetion, not the fun of a game, not peoples subscription to the game, or gameplay but the economics. and by comparison wow has had a long ride in the mmo world by dominating the competetion in terms of market sell.
which in return blind trolls like yourself refused to see and asumed this thread was an attack on the wow community / or community of other mmos. when clearly this was not the case.
<--------------------------------------- the exit is that aways mr troll , try using it.
I'm not reading this whole thread of dribble, instead I'm commenting on who you quoted and what you said.
From the quoted comments I don't see where it is "trolling" as you say. The poll could be left out, but that is beside the point. I agree with him (don't know about hello kitty though) this topic has been the title of countless threads and even more posts.
Give it a rest, nobody really gives a flip if the game "kills" wow or gives it competition; most people just want it to be a good game and that is it. The fact that you have to compare it to WOW, yes the old argument of it is the big kid on the block and every game must be measured against it is also dried up, shows the tunnel vision you have created for yourself.
Type in the title of your thread and hit search, see how original you are?
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
Easy answer NO!
WAR is pretty boring and needs help....
Easy answer NO!
WAR is pretty boring and needs help....
Your opinion.
I have had more fun during the launch of this game than I ever had playing WoW. I tried WoW more than once too.
There is more going on in WARs gameplay, design, and mechanics now at launch then any MMO I have ever played. That's fact. Anyone that disagrees just doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you like PvP, solo play, grouping, guild leveling, looting/gathering, high populations, humor, a great backstory (PQs are great), unique classes, achievements, or, exploring then WAR is fun.
If you are a jaded MMO player waiting around for that perfect game. You will still be jaded. Once you stop hunting for that experience you had in your first MMO you can start to enjoy MMOs again. Just have fun.
Easy answer NO!
WAR is pretty boring and needs help....
Your opinion.
I have had more fun during the launch of this game than I ever had playing WoW. I tried WoW more than once too.
There is more going on in WARs gameplay, design, and mechanics now at launch then any MMO I have ever played. That's fact. Anyone that disagrees just doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you like PvP, solo play, grouping, guild leveling, looting/gathering, high populations, humor, a great backstory (PQs are great), unique classes, achievements, or, exploring then WAR is fun.
If you are a jaded MMO player waiting around for that perfect game. You will still be jaded. Once you stop hunting for that experience you had in your first MMO you can start to enjoy MMOs again. Just have fun.
I think WAR is kinda boring too, but that's due to my personal preferences (Not a big pvp fan) and is my opinion alone.
That said my first mmo experience was FFXI, a game that relied far too much on grouping to be my taste, then along came EQ2 which i liked but again there was the issue of forced grouping so i went to WoW, and along with DDO (while it had forced grouping too i was prepared for it) that's the game i liked best, so here i am today playing WoW and enjoying it still.
Easy answer NO!
WAR is pretty boring and needs help....
Your opinion.
I have had more fun during the launch of this game than I ever had playing WoW. I tried WoW more than once too.
There is more going on in WARs gameplay, design, and mechanics now at launch then any MMO I have ever played. That's fact. Anyone that disagrees just doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you like PvP, solo play, grouping, guild leveling, looting/gathering, high populations, humor, a great backstory (PQs are great), unique classes, achievements, or, exploring then WAR is fun.
If you are a jaded MMO player waiting around for that perfect game. You will still be jaded. Once you stop hunting for that experience you had in your first MMO you can start to enjoy MMOs again. Just have fun.
Well that was dumb, of course it's my opinion and now we have yours....
yea pretty much the same as AoC at this stage... problem is though you better hope it keeps those numbers because the game is unplayable with low populations.
It's funny how similar all the numbers have been so far. Initial box sales, then the huge plunge in box sales. Almost Identical Xfire number and then plunges there.
Overall, I think subscriptions for AOC and Warhammer will be about the same on Dec 1st. The only real difference is that Warhammer players are just kinda disappointed and sad... whereas AOC players were mad. Other than that though, the numbers all look identical.
Dude the answer is (NO).
WAR has way to many glitches in its game play,you tend to get stuck in almost anything-even water.My character was swimming one time and it was really hovering over it insted of actually being in the water.And unlike WAR,WoW never has that much glitches.But not just glitches is the problem,It will never have as much players as WoW does-*one reason being its M+ rated so not much teenagers will get the game themselves just like how you can buy WoW which is T rated).
Take my answer as do many here know-WAR will never and always not be up at the top of WoWs place.