There's only one open RvR/RP server that I know of. Chaos Waste, and it is Med/Med usually. I don't find any problems qeueing for scenerios ont hat server. I get into a battle within 15 minutes tops guarenteed.
Are you on the European servers? If that is the case then maybe the rules and way people play is different. But my current server is popping with Scenerios at the least.
As a general note, the populations of each server are spread thin right now between the different tiers. This mean less action all around. when more of the population hits tier 3 and 4, things will start to open up and feel likte week one again (when everyone was in one area fighting viciously ).
A humorous comment from someone who appears to play a female avatar in EVE. But back on topic.
Playing a female avatar and being a crossdresser isn't really the same thing... And the high elves do look stupid, they based them of the worst models from the tabletop instead of the best looking from the RPG. It is clear that destruction/Chaos got more love from Mythic and that's why more play them.
But back to topic, yes Both Mythic and Funcom cheats a bit with the numbers for the servers, we should se the numbers of players online, not what the company is low, mid or high. Have the numbers be green on low, white on med and red on high too, then you really get the idea better how big the server is and ca chose the one you wants.
In the end it is the same thing.
You are playing, acting, fighting as someone of the other sex, this is a crossdressing situation.
Remember, crossdresser is not equal to gay, well, I dont belive sexual lables anyway.
I prefer Chaos and Dark Elfs for the lore, but some faces of High Elf males are even more dramatic, expressive, melancholic and darker than DE males characters if you forget the gothic/pop cliche.
It seems this "feminine" Elf male issue is stronger in US.
Not everyone who plays a character is automatically role-playing them. I personally don't associate myself with my characters, male, female or otherwise. Nor do I role play them. I choose which ever character I find looks the coolest (in my opinion). It tends to be female characters at times because, in my experience, they tend to look and move better than the male characters (again, in my opinion). So... you're creeping out over someone else playing a female character based on an assumption that may well not even be true.
But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.
Keep in mind, this is not a moral issue for me, you should do what you think it is good for you.
Not everyone who plays a character is automatically role-playing them. I personally don't associate myself with my characters, male, female or otherwise. Nor do I role play them. I choose which ever character I find looks the coolest (in my opinion). It tends to be female characters at times because, in my experience, they tend to look and move better than the male characters (again, in my opinion). So... you're creeping out over someone else playing a female character based on an assumption that may well not even be true.
But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.
Well, I can't help what/how others think.
If someone's hung-up with people playing a character of the opposite sex, then that's their problem.
Perhaps *they* can't play a character without feeling they're somehow associated with it... I personally don't have that problem. When I'm talking to someone, I'm talking to the player, not their character. The character is merely a bunch of pixels on the screen.
And I disagree with your assessment in another post of what cross-dressing is. Cross dressing is a male dressed as a female, or vice versa. In a game, you're playing a female character dressed as a female.. or a male dressed as a male.
Does that mean if the player is controlling, say... a canine character that they're into pretending they're an animal?
Again, you're assuming some connection between the player and the character that the player doesn't necessarily have them self. Now.. I know some people *are* like that. But, the issue here seems to be on how you perceive them.. not how they're actually behaving.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Well, I can't help what/how others think. Yes, you can, it is the way you represent yourself in a virtual universe using a character. If someone's hung-up with people playing a character of the opposite sex, then that's their problem. Perhaps *they* can't play a character without feeling they're somehow associated with it... I personally don't have that problem. When I'm talking to someone, I'm talking to the player, not their character. The character is merely a bunch of pixels on the screen. And it is also the represetantion of your role in a roleplaying game.A crossdresser is not a woman ( in this case where we are talking about male players as female characters ) is a man representing his role as a woman, what is not exacly related to erotism or pure social man/woman role...like a man representing his role as a female heroin in a roleplaying game. And I disagree with your assessment in another post of what cross-dressing is. Cross dressing is a male dressed as a female, or vice versa. In a game, you're playing a female character dressed as a female.. or a male dressed as a male. But you are a male playing as a female, the crossdresser is not the character , but crossdressing is the atitude of you as a male using a virtual female caracter/clothers representing your role and image in a social environment, we are not talking about single player games here, but social rpgs. Does that mean if the player is controlling, say... a canine character that they're into pretending they're an animal? In a roleplaying game yes, but it is a bit different if we take the social role, in a mmo it will be obvious for everyone that there is a human behind the canine... but in a fantasy setting, yes, somehow you are pretending to be an animal...someone that plays with a greensking is somehow, even in a light way, pretending to be an orc, but the gender has more weight in the social indentification for obvious reasons. Again, you're assuming some connection between the player and the character that the player doesn't necessarily have them self. Now.. I know some people *are* like that. But, the issue here seems to be on how you perceive them.. not how they're actually behaving. Im not assuming anything, Im not assuming what are your feelings about that, why you do that etc.
I started playing WAR just about 8 days ago. From rank 1-11, leveling was really fun and filled with action everywhere. It was a great combination of Pvp and Pve. Since I've gotten into tier 2 however, I havn't been able to join a scenario (the first thing I do when I get online is to queue up for all scenarios). I just got to level 20, and I'm heading into tier 3, I havn't played one single scenario on tier 2.
But I accept that, because I hope it will improve, and because I'm playing in a great guild I still think it's fun
I also agree that the servers should be merged. They shouldn't have started up the game with so many servers, spreading the population of players so uber-thin. Hopefully that Xp/renown bonus will pull more players into the more low-populated servers, but yeah that will probably just balance the population, not increase it.
Just have to give it time, and let mythic figure things out.
I said the male elves looked like crossdressers. Crossdressers are not automatically gay, they are not automatically associated with any type of erotic behaviour.
For the male/female avatar discussion. I think the male models in 90% of the games look stupid. They are, in 90% of the cases, muscle packed wardrobes with small brains. I would choose a male over a female avatar any day if they looked as cool as Geralt from the Witcher. Slender, tall with a worn face and high chin bones. You can pretty much have this only in Asian MMOs, and I'm not quite a grind-lover as you might know by now.
So basically, if I wanna play a character that looks cool I have to roll a female one. The guys that try to categorize people by the avatar gender they choose are really creepy btw. If I play as a spider in LotRO PvMP, do I have serious problems with my sexual orientation?
Oh and BTW Kyleran, if you create and show me a male Achura that doesn't look like an Asian Kung Fu kid on crack or an asian kung Fu grampa on ritalin, I will think about your argument *g*
Meh, I always disliked the feminine-looking emo males that Meridian seems to like. That's one reason why I'm not touching an Asian MMO with a 10-foot pole.
Originally posted by Frostbite05 honestly yea no one does care because a good majority don't experiance what you are. If its that bad just roll another server.
Perhaps you should at least take a count of the number of low-med servers to compare it to the number of heavy-full servers before you start making claims of what the majority are experiencing and what they may or may not care about.
I think you may be surprised just how many servers fall into the low-med range. I know it is not prime time, but right now there is only 1 server that is above medium.
Not everyone who plays a character is automatically role-playing them. I personally don't associate myself with my characters, male, female or otherwise. Nor do I role play them. I choose which ever character I find looks the coolest (in my opinion). It tends to be female characters at times because, in my experience, they tend to look and move better than the male characters (again, in my opinion). So... you're creeping out over someone else playing a female character based on an assumption that may well not even be true.
But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.
Keep in mind, this is not a moral issue for me, you should do what you think it is good for you.
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Umbral: I appreciate the even handed manner in which you've approached this discussion, and I hope that I can follow your example. Honestly, its doubtful that I will, but I promise to try.
Stated simply, I disagree with your assertion...
"But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser."
Thats not to say that its not true for SOME, but it is certainly not true for ALL. Anyone who is an MMO veteran knows that 90% of the female characters he sees are being played by males.
With that said, its not the perceptions of others that determines the reality of the behavior. Crossdressing is not about the observers. Crossdressing is about the crossdresser. If I put on my wife's baggy Red Sox hoodie and think nothing of it, am I crossdressing? No. I've seen a video online of fat rednecks in pink tutus playing mud football. It was some charity event. Are they crossdresssers? No. But a real crossdresser could take that same tutu home at the end of the day and have a good time.
I guess what I'm trying to say is its the motivations and intent of the player that answers the question: are you crossdressing when you dye your pretty little elf's robe robin's egg blue?
There are many reasons to play a female character as a male. Whether you prefer to look at an attractive females ass wiggle as you run around the realms, or you think the male models are prissy, or you are a huge fan of Arwen or Lara Croft, or any other female icon. It makes no difference.
You're not crossdressing unless you intend/appreciate/enjoy assuming the role of a female.
Well, I've made it this far, and I think I've done a hell of a job of being respectful. Please accept this question as the honest curiosity it really is...
Why are you so passionate about the subject? Were you burned by a male who masqueraded as a female player?
Actually I never met anyone who assumed I was any kind of weirdo in the games I chose female avatars. People naturally assume you are just playing a female because you think the model looks cooler. I never hid the fact that I was male RL and 99% of the experienced gamers take for granted that you're not. So you start pretty much on equal levels... I don't see any _real_ issue here, I mean one that actually manifests into a problem ingame.
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BTW: As some friends had the same problems with the openRvR server we were on (German/european to answer the question above) we switched to a "normal" ruleset server with lower destruction population, but waiting queues. Was the only choice besides quitting the game entirely I guess...
Umbral: I appreciate the even handed manner in which you've approached this discussion, and I hope that I can follow your example. Honestly, its doubtful that I will, but I promise to try. Stated simply, I disagree with your assertion... "But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser." Thats not to say that its not true for SOME, but it is certainly not true for ALL. Anyone who is an MMO veteran knows that 90% of the female characters he sees are being played by males. Yes, I agree most players knows that usually there is a man behing a female character, but as I said, a male playing as a female character. With that said, its not the perceptions of others that determines the reality of the behavior. Crossdressing is not about the observers. Crossdressing is about the crossdresser. If I put on my wife's baggy Red Sox hoodie and think nothing of it, am I crossdressing? No. I've seen a video online of fat rednecks in pink tutus playing mud football. It was some charity event. Are they crossdresssers? No. But a real crossdresser could take that same tutu home at the end of the day and have a good time. See, Im not presuming anything beyond a male player using the virtual image/clothes of a female character, this in my eyes is a "virtual crossdressing", it is not related to sexuality, desire to be a woman or anything, just the fact of a simple virtual crossdressing, nothing more. In my eyes these rednecks were crossdressing... see, when I talk about it, I only mean the cross between genders in clothes or costumes, even in a silly way, nothing more. I guess what I'm trying to say is its the motivations and intent of the player that answers the question: are you crossdressing when you dye your pretty little elf's robe robin's egg blue? There are many reasons to play a female character as a male. Whether you prefer to look at an attractive females ass wiggle as you run around the realms, or you think the male models are prissy, or you are a huge fan of Arwen or Lara Croft, or any other female icon. It makes no difference. Yes, I understand that, this is why I never said anything about the reasons behind this atitude. You're not crossdressing unless you intend/appreciate/enjoy assuming the role of a female. Just the fact you are using clothes/virtual avatar of a female you are crossdressing, Im not trying to say you are acting as a shemale, or you want to be a female or you are gay, but even if the player is only playing as a female character because it looks cooler, well, he is appreciating the role of looking cool... as a female character. Well, I've made it this far, and I think I've done a hell of a job of being respectful. Please accept this question as the honest curiosity it really is... Why are you so passionate about the subject? Were you burned by a male who masqueraded as a female player? Im not exacly passionate about it, but I find this subject somehow interesting when we talk about social behavior and mmos. About the second question, not at all, I play with my wife and I have some frieds that are indeed crossdressers in RL (some of them are gays some are not), lesbians, shemales...so, I dont talk about it in a bitter way, I think it is pretty normal this kind of virtual crossdressing in games, I play as a male character, but I understand the reasons behind some people play as the opposite gender, sometimes it is related to sexuality (more than people talk about it to tell the truth) sometimes not. I noticed a lot of gamers are defensive about that, but what Im calling (virtual) crossdressing here is just the simple fact of a man behind a female character in a social game, nothing more...
You're not crossdressing unless you intend/appreciate/enjoy assuming the role of a female. Just the fact you are using clothes/virtual avatar of a female you are crossdressing, Im not trying to say you are acting as a shemale, or you want to be a female or you are gay, but even if the player is only playing as a female character because it looks cooler, well, he is appreciating the role of looking cool... as a female character. I noticed a lot of gamers are defensive about that, but what Im calling (virtual) crossdressing here is just the simple fact of a man behind a female character in a social game, nothing more...
Ok, so if I buy clothes for my girlfriend and enjoy how she looks, that predetermines me to be someone who likes the idea of dressing as a female? See, the point her is identification. If I developed clothes for women and dressed models to show them, would that make me a "virtual crossdresser"? - I'm pretty sure the answer here is "no".
I am playing a character in a game. This character is not me, nor am I the character, nor am i in any way identifying myself with this character to any more extent as steering a blob of pixels through a virtual world. And as I have to look at this blob of pixels pretty often, I can very well make it look like some hot goth chick than a muscle packed brute.
I'd even roll with your arguments if you could put anything more than unisex rags on the character, but you can't. If I play a female zealot I wear exactly the same clothing items the male zealots do. which is essentially putting rags on a long term voodoo-and-crack zombie. In this light, your arguments seem a little far fetched.
I only know that on Volkmar, one of the servers with the highest load, most players are on /hide because of gold spamming. This might be different on other servers where there is not as much goldspamming.
If Mythic releases the population numbers we know exactly, speculation and using an in game search functionality is not what i call accurate.
Of cause there will be underpopulated servers and Mythic already started with incentives for people to join those realms. Let's see what else they have up their sleeves to fix this problem.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
You're not crossdressing unless you intend/appreciate/enjoy assuming the role of a female. Just the fact you are using clothes/virtual avatar of a female you are crossdressing, Im not trying to say you are acting as a shemale, or you want to be a female or you are gay, but even if the player is only playing as a female character because it looks cooler, well, he is appreciating the role of looking cool... as a female character. I noticed a lot of gamers are defensive about that, but what Im calling (virtual) crossdressing here is just the simple fact of a man behind a female character in a social game, nothing more...
Ok, so if I buy clothes for my girlfriend and enjoy how she looks, that predetermines me to be someone who likes the idea of dressing as a female? See, the point her is identification. If I developed clothes for women and dressed models to show them, would that make me a "virtual crossdresser"? - I'm pretty sure the answer here is "no".
I am playing a character in a game. This character is not me, nor am I the character, nor am i in any way identifying myself with this character to any more extent as steering a blob of pixels through a virtual world. And as I have to look at this blob of pixels pretty often, I can very well make it look like some hot goth chick than a muscle packed brute.
I'd even roll with your arguments if you could put anything more than unisex rags on the character, but you can't. If I play a female zealot I wear exactly the same clothing items the male zealots do. which is essentially putting rags on a long term voodoo-and-crack zombie. In this light, your arguments seem a little far fetched.
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Dude, there is no logic to the parallel you're trying to draw based on his arguement. Buying clothing for your girlfriend and liking how she looks in them is not the same as WEARING your girlfriend's clothes because you like the way they look. His arguements are not far-fetched at all. It is a fact that you're playing Role-playing Game, another fact that you're choosing a female character to represent yourself in the game. It doesn't matter your reasoning behind choosing the female character, or your reasoning for choosing a female avatar on this board for that matter. The fact is that you are chosing to be represented by a female character in a virtual world. No one plays games and just sees pixels or binary code, there's no associations with that. You're talking about crossdressing as if it's a mentality, it's not. What it is is dressing as the opposite sex. You could act like the dude of all dude's and be dressed in a tutu. Fact is you're a dude in a tutu. Your arguements are not only farfeteched, but they defy logic. Here's the definition of crossdress: to dress in clothing typically worn by members of the opposite sex. Here are the definitions of role-play: 1. to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another), esp. in a make-believe situation in an effort to understand a differing point of view or social interaction2. to experiment with or experience (a situation or viewpoint) by playing a role . So, the act of playing a female character in game would range from (at the very least) crossdressing to actually role-playing all aspects of being female night-elf, dwraf, orc or whatever for whatever reason. Either way, crossdressing is a part of it, and there's no way any reasonable person could dispute the fundamentals of that. To break it down further, you're either enacting a form of crossdressing or you're actually pretending to be a girl. I'll stop with this...could any of you see Mr. T playing a female character if he actually played an mmo at all? NO! HE WOULD BE A DAMN NIGHT ELF MOHAWK!
You're not crossdressing unless you intend/appreciate/enjoy assuming the role of a female. Just the fact you are using clothes/virtual avatar of a female you are crossdressing, Im not trying to say you are acting as a shemale, or you want to be a female or you are gay, but even if the player is only playing as a female character because it looks cooler, well, he is appreciating the role of looking cool... as a female character. I noticed a lot of gamers are defensive about that, but what Im calling (virtual) crossdressing here is just the simple fact of a man behind a female character in a social game, nothing more...
Ok, so if I buy clothes for my girlfriend and enjoy how she looks, that predetermines me to be someone who likes the idea of dressing as a female? See, the point her is identification. If I developed clothes for women and dressed models to show them, would that make me a "virtual crossdresser"? - I'm pretty sure the answer here is "no".
I am playing a character in a game. This character is not me, nor am I the character, nor am i in any way identifying myself with this character to any more extent as steering a blob of pixels through a virtual world. And as I have to look at this blob of pixels pretty often, I can very well make it look like some hot goth chick than a muscle packed brute.
I'd even roll with your arguments if you could put anything more than unisex rags on the character, but you can't. If I play a female zealot I wear exactly the same clothing items the male zealots do. which is essentially putting rags on a long term voodoo-and-crack zombie. In this light, your arguments seem a little far fetched.
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Dude, there is no logic to the parallel you're trying to draw based on his arguement. Buying clothing for your girlfriend and liking how she looks in them is not the same as WEARING your girlfriend's clothes because you like the way they look. His arguements are not far-fetched at all. It is a fact that you're playing Role-playing Game, another fact that you're choosing a female character to represent yourself in the game. It doesn't matter your reasoning behind choosing the female character, or your reasoning for choosing a female avatar on this board for that matter. The fact is that you are chosing to be represented by a female character in a virtual world. No one plays games and just sees pixels or binary code, there's no associations with that. You're talking about crossdressing as if it's a mentality, it's not. What it is is dressing as the opposite sex. You could act like the dude of all dude's and be dressed in a tutu. Fact is you're a dude in a tutu. Your arguements are not only farfeteched, but they defy logic. Here's the definition of crossdress: to dress in clothing typically worn by members of the opposite sex. Here are the definitions of role-play: 1. to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another), esp. in a make-believe situation in an effort to understand a differing point of view or social interaction2. to experiment with or experience (a situation or viewpoint) by playing a role . So, the act of playing a female character in game would range from (at the very least) crossdressing to actually role-playing all aspects of being female night-elf, dwraf, orc or whatever for whatever reason. Either way, crossdressing is a part of it, and there's no way any reasonable person could dispute the fundamentals of that. To break it down further, you're either enacting a form of crossdressing or you're actually pretending to be a girl. I'll stop with this...could any of you see Mr. T playing a female character if he actually played an mmo at all? NO! HE WOULD BE A DAMN NIGHT ELF MOHAWK!
you deliberately chose to ignore the fact that the clothes for models of both genders are exactly the same, which in fact completely invalidates any crossdresser argument. Plus you defy the fact that choosing a representative for a game/virtual world is aeons away from identifying with it.
I had Doug from purepwnage.com as my avatar before I chose this one, for example. Does that mean I want to be like FPS doug or act him out? - No, I could have chosen a car, or a chess figure, or a house, that doesn't mean I am into cars or want to be car or want to identify myself with the attributes of a car.
It's not that hard to get really. The girlfriend example is absolutely perfect btw. Because a girl-friend, in this particular, and only in this particular respect, is like a game avatar, you don't identify yourself with your girl-friend, you don't want to be your girl-friend or incorporate any attributes she might have, still you like to watch her.
Your arguments might be spot on if someone ROLEPLAYS his or her avatar, but choosing a female avatar in an online game is like choosing a cat as your AIM logo, or a heart, or a "dead kennedys" logo. It's after all just a symbol which, in most cases, is nothing you identify with.
Sidenote: Dyou know how many people on regular, non MMO/gaming boards have hot chicks as avatars? - countless...
It's not that hard to get really. The girlfriend example is absolutely perfect btw. Because a girl-friend, in this particular, and only in this particular respect, is like a game avatar, you don't identify yourself with your girl-friend, you don't want to be your girl-friend or incorporate any attributes she might have, still you like to watch her.
No , it is not perfect, it is irrational and absurd, you dont use your girlfriend appearance to represent yourself. There is no reason to be so defensive, no one said you want to be a female, you just use a female figure to represent yourself, a man, in a social, virtual, fantasy environment... as a virtual crossdresser. Your arguments might be spot on if someone ROLEPLAYS his or her avatar, but choosing a female avatar in an online game is like choosing a cat as your AIM logo, or a heart, or a "dead kennedys" logo. It's after all just a symbol which, in most cases, is nothing you identify with.
A crossdresser is not a crossdresser because he acts like a woman, he wants to be a woman or he is gay (sure, he can be and he can act as a woman too). If you use a female character, yes, you, somehow indentify with this character, it can be because she is sexy, she is feminine, or just because she looks cool (as you said)... and most important, everyone that pass by you in this particular MMO will indentify you as a female character... But you will say, "Oh, but everyone will know that is a male player behind this female character"... like a guy with typical female clothes, even if he/you in the game act in a very masculine way...well, it still is a crossdressing situation. Sidenote: Dyou know how many people on regular, non MMO/gaming boards have hot chicks as avatars? - countless...
So? You are acting as if someone thinks you are a weirdo because of this, but this is not the case, as I said, it is natural and very common in mmos, virtual social environments and real life. M
server merges would be ok, i dont see the point of having a low/low server up. they have too many. i enjoy my server though, humongous guild. very nice, alway giot keeps sieges on the calendar. to the OP, if your leve is not that high yet i suggest change servers , you will have much more fun. never have a problem with PQs or scenarios lately.
ROLE PLAYING GAME! Please read those words. Stop, now read them again. This is not real life, it is a game. Get over it. It is a role playing game. Stop hitting on the pixelated wood elf on your computer screen and I'm sure you won't have a problem anymore.
Why do people not understand that? Saying someone is a virtual cross dresser for playing a different gender is about as idiotic as calling everyone a virtual furry, because they play webkinz, hello kitty or a werewolf for example.
This has to be one of the most stoopit discussions I have ever read on these forums.
Last I checked roleplaying or pretending to be a woman could definitely be in the range of cross dressing. I mean, you do have to get the image down...amiright? That's why guys playing chic avatars in-game personally freak me out about their true character. =(
My two main characters are High Elf (Shadow Warrior 21 and Swordmaster 16), and both are women. Not because I prefer playing women over men, but because the race is heavily dress dependent. Seemed the right thing to do. If I played Dwarves, I would go testosterone heavy. Same with Empire.
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There's only one open RvR/RP server that I know of. Chaos Waste, and it is Med/Med usually. I don't find any problems qeueing for scenerios ont hat server. I get into a battle within 15 minutes tops guarenteed.
Are you on the European servers? If that is the case then maybe the rules and way people play is different. But my current server is popping with Scenerios at the least.
As a general note, the populations of each server are spread thin right now between the different tiers. This mean less action all around. when more of the population hits tier 3 and 4, things will start to open up and feel likte week one again (when everyone was in one area fighting viciously ).
A humorous comment from someone who appears to play a female avatar in EVE. But back on topic.
Playing a female avatar and being a crossdresser isn't really the same thing... And the high elves do look stupid, they based them of the worst models from the tabletop instead of the best looking from the RPG. It is clear that destruction/Chaos got more love from Mythic and that's why more play them.
But back to topic, yes Both Mythic and Funcom cheats a bit with the numbers for the servers, we should se the numbers of players online, not what the company is low, mid or high. Have the numbers be green on low, white on med and red on high too, then you really get the idea better how big the server is and ca chose the one you wants.
In the end it is the same thing.
You are playing, acting, fighting as someone of the other sex, this is a crossdressing situation.
Remember, crossdresser is not equal to gay, well, I dont belive sexual lables anyway.
I prefer Chaos and Dark Elfs for the lore, but some faces of High Elf males are even more dramatic, expressive, melancholic and darker than DE males characters if you forget the gothic/pop cliche.
It seems this "feminine" Elf male issue is stronger in US.
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But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.
Keep in mind, this is not a moral issue for me, you should do what you think it is good for you.
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But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.
Well, I can't help what/how others think.
If someone's hung-up with people playing a character of the opposite sex, then that's their problem.
Perhaps *they* can't play a character without feeling they're somehow associated with it... I personally don't have that problem. When I'm talking to someone, I'm talking to the player, not their character. The character is merely a bunch of pixels on the screen.
And I disagree with your assessment in another post of what cross-dressing is. Cross dressing is a male dressed as a female, or vice versa. In a game, you're playing a female character dressed as a female.. or a male dressed as a male.
Does that mean if the player is controlling, say... a canine character that they're into pretending they're an animal?
Again, you're assuming some connection between the player and the character that the player doesn't necessarily have them self. Now.. I know some people *are* like that. But, the issue here seems to be on how you perceive them.. not how they're actually behaving.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I understand the OP.
I play on a Dest/order: Med/Low server.
I started playing WAR just about 8 days ago. From rank 1-11, leveling was really fun and filled with action everywhere. It was a great combination of Pvp and Pve. Since I've gotten into tier 2 however, I havn't been able to join a scenario (the first thing I do when I get online is to queue up for all scenarios). I just got to level 20, and I'm heading into tier 3, I havn't played one single scenario on tier 2.
But I accept that, because I hope it will improve, and because I'm playing in a great guild I still think it's fun
I also agree that the servers should be merged. They shouldn't have started up the game with so many servers, spreading the population of players so uber-thin. Hopefully that Xp/renown bonus will pull more players into the more low-populated servers, but yeah that will probably just balance the population, not increase it.
Just have to give it time, and let mythic figure things out.
I said the male elves looked like crossdressers. Crossdressers are not automatically gay, they are not automatically associated with any type of erotic behaviour.
For the male/female avatar discussion. I think the male models in 90% of the games look stupid. They are, in 90% of the cases, muscle packed wardrobes with small brains. I would choose a male over a female avatar any day if they looked as cool as Geralt from the Witcher. Slender, tall with a worn face and high chin bones. You can pretty much have this only in Asian MMOs, and I'm not quite a grind-lover as you might know by now.
So basically, if I wanna play a character that looks cool I have to roll a female one. The guys that try to categorize people by the avatar gender they choose are really creepy btw. If I play as a spider in LotRO PvMP, do I have serious problems with my sexual orientation?
Oh and BTW Kyleran, if you create and show me a male Achura that doesn't look like an Asian Kung Fu kid on crack or an asian kung Fu grampa on ritalin, I will think about your argument *g*
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Meh, I always disliked the feminine-looking emo males that Meridian seems to like. That's one reason why I'm not touching an Asian MMO with a 10-foot pole.
I said nothing about Emo, emo is a mindset/clothing/music/subculture style, body architecture is genetic and training-dependend.
I don't like Emo style either btw.
My bad, the mention of "Asian MMOs" put the image in my head.
Perhaps you should at least take a count of the number of low-med servers to compare it to the number of heavy-full servers before you start making claims of what the majority are experiencing and what they may or may not care about.
I think you may be surprised just how many servers fall into the low-med range. I know it is not prime time, but right now there is only 1 server that is above medium.
But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.
Keep in mind, this is not a moral issue for me, you should do what you think it is good for you.
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Umbral: I appreciate the even handed manner in which you've approached this discussion, and I hope that I can follow your example. Honestly, its doubtful that I will, but I promise to try.
Stated simply, I disagree with your assertion...
"But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser."
Thats not to say that its not true for SOME, but it is certainly not true for ALL. Anyone who is an MMO veteran knows that 90% of the female characters he sees are being played by males.
With that said, its not the perceptions of others that determines the reality of the behavior. Crossdressing is not about the observers. Crossdressing is about the crossdresser. If I put on my wife's baggy Red Sox hoodie and think nothing of it, am I crossdressing? No. I've seen a video online of fat rednecks in pink tutus playing mud football. It was some charity event. Are they crossdresssers? No. But a real crossdresser could take that same tutu home at the end of the day and have a good time.
I guess what I'm trying to say is its the motivations and intent of the player that answers the question: are you crossdressing when you dye your pretty little elf's robe robin's egg blue?
There are many reasons to play a female character as a male. Whether you prefer to look at an attractive females ass wiggle as you run around the realms, or you think the male models are prissy, or you are a huge fan of Arwen or Lara Croft, or any other female icon. It makes no difference.
You're not crossdressing unless you intend/appreciate/enjoy assuming the role of a female.
Well, I've made it this far, and I think I've done a hell of a job of being respectful. Please accept this question as the honest curiosity it really is...
Why are you so passionate about the subject? Were you burned by a male who masqueraded as a female player?
Meridian 59 Beta Tester circa 1996
Actually I never met anyone who assumed I was any kind of weirdo in the games I chose female avatars. People naturally assume you are just playing a female because you think the model looks cooler. I never hid the fact that I was male RL and 99% of the experienced gamers take for granted that you're not. So you start pretty much on equal levels... I don't see any _real_ issue here, I mean one that actually manifests into a problem ingame.
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BTW: As some friends had the same problems with the openRvR server we were on (German/european to answer the question above) we switched to a "normal" ruleset server with lower destruction population, but waiting queues. Was the only choice besides quitting the game entirely I guess...
Ok, so if I buy clothes for my girlfriend and enjoy how she looks, that predetermines me to be someone who likes the idea of dressing as a female? See, the point her is identification. If I developed clothes for women and dressed models to show them, would that make me a "virtual crossdresser"? - I'm pretty sure the answer here is "no".
I am playing a character in a game. This character is not me, nor am I the character, nor am i in any way identifying myself with this character to any more extent as steering a blob of pixels through a virtual world. And as I have to look at this blob of pixels pretty often, I can very well make it look like some hot goth chick than a muscle packed brute.
I'd even roll with your arguments if you could put anything more than unisex rags on the character, but you can't. If I play a female zealot I wear exactly the same clothing items the male zealots do. which is essentially putting rags on a long term voodoo-and-crack zombie. In this light, your arguments seem a little far fetched.
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I only know that on Volkmar, one of the servers with the highest load, most players are on /hide because of gold spamming. This might be different on other servers where there is not as much goldspamming.
If Mythic releases the population numbers we know exactly, speculation and using an in game search functionality is not what i call accurate.
Of cause there will be underpopulated servers and Mythic already started with incentives for people to join those realms. Let's see what else they have up their sleeves to fix this problem.
Ok, so if I buy clothes for my girlfriend and enjoy how she looks, that predetermines me to be someone who likes the idea of dressing as a female? See, the point her is identification. If I developed clothes for women and dressed models to show them, would that make me a "virtual crossdresser"? - I'm pretty sure the answer here is "no".
I am playing a character in a game. This character is not me, nor am I the character, nor am i in any way identifying myself with this character to any more extent as steering a blob of pixels through a virtual world. And as I have to look at this blob of pixels pretty often, I can very well make it look like some hot goth chick than a muscle packed brute.
I'd even roll with your arguments if you could put anything more than unisex rags on the character, but you can't. If I play a female zealot I wear exactly the same clothing items the male zealots do. which is essentially putting rags on a long term voodoo-and-crack zombie. In this light, your arguments seem a little far fetched.
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Dude, there is no logic to the parallel you're trying to draw based on his arguement. Buying clothing for your girlfriend and liking how she looks in them is not the same as WEARING your girlfriend's clothes because you like the way they look. His arguements are not far-fetched at all. It is a fact that you're playing Role-playing Game, another fact that you're choosing a female character to represent yourself in the game. It doesn't matter your reasoning behind choosing the female character, or your reasoning for choosing a female avatar on this board for that matter. The fact is that you are chosing to be represented by a female character in a virtual world. No one plays games and just sees pixels or binary code, there's no associations with that. You're talking about crossdressing as if it's a mentality, it's not. What it is is dressing as the opposite sex. You could act like the dude of all dude's and be dressed in a tutu. Fact is you're a dude in a tutu. Your arguements are not only farfeteched, but they defy logic. Here's the definition of crossdress: to dress in clothing typically worn by members of the opposite sex. Here are the definitions of role-play: 1. to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another), esp. in a make-believe situation in an effort to understand a differing point of view or social interaction2. to experiment with or experience (a situation or viewpoint) by playing a role . So, the act of playing a female character in game would range from (at the very least) crossdressing to actually role-playing all aspects of being female night-elf, dwraf, orc or whatever for whatever reason. Either way, crossdressing is a part of it, and there's no way any reasonable person could dispute the fundamentals of that. To break it down further, you're either enacting a form of crossdressing or you're actually pretending to be a girl. I'll stop with this...could any of you see Mr. T playing a female character if he actually played an mmo at all? NO! HE WOULD BE A DAMN NIGHT ELF MOHAWK!
Ok, so if I buy clothes for my girlfriend and enjoy how she looks, that predetermines me to be someone who likes the idea of dressing as a female? See, the point her is identification. If I developed clothes for women and dressed models to show them, would that make me a "virtual crossdresser"? - I'm pretty sure the answer here is "no".
I am playing a character in a game. This character is not me, nor am I the character, nor am i in any way identifying myself with this character to any more extent as steering a blob of pixels through a virtual world. And as I have to look at this blob of pixels pretty often, I can very well make it look like some hot goth chick than a muscle packed brute.
I'd even roll with your arguments if you could put anything more than unisex rags on the character, but you can't. If I play a female zealot I wear exactly the same clothing items the male zealots do. which is essentially putting rags on a long term voodoo-and-crack zombie. In this light, your arguments seem a little far fetched.
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Dude, there is no logic to the parallel you're trying to draw based on his arguement. Buying clothing for your girlfriend and liking how she looks in them is not the same as WEARING your girlfriend's clothes because you like the way they look. His arguements are not far-fetched at all. It is a fact that you're playing Role-playing Game, another fact that you're choosing a female character to represent yourself in the game. It doesn't matter your reasoning behind choosing the female character, or your reasoning for choosing a female avatar on this board for that matter. The fact is that you are chosing to be represented by a female character in a virtual world. No one plays games and just sees pixels or binary code, there's no associations with that. You're talking about crossdressing as if it's a mentality, it's not. What it is is dressing as the opposite sex. You could act like the dude of all dude's and be dressed in a tutu. Fact is you're a dude in a tutu. Your arguements are not only farfeteched, but they defy logic. Here's the definition of crossdress: to dress in clothing typically worn by members of the opposite sex. Here are the definitions of role-play: 1. to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another), esp. in a make-believe situation in an effort to understand a differing point of view or social interaction2. to experiment with or experience (a situation or viewpoint) by playing a role . So, the act of playing a female character in game would range from (at the very least) crossdressing to actually role-playing all aspects of being female night-elf, dwraf, orc or whatever for whatever reason. Either way, crossdressing is a part of it, and there's no way any reasonable person could dispute the fundamentals of that. To break it down further, you're either enacting a form of crossdressing or you're actually pretending to be a girl. I'll stop with this...could any of you see Mr. T playing a female character if he actually played an mmo at all? NO! HE WOULD BE A DAMN NIGHT ELF MOHAWK!
you deliberately chose to ignore the fact that the clothes for models of both genders are exactly the same, which in fact completely invalidates any crossdresser argument. Plus you defy the fact that choosing a representative for a game/virtual world is aeons away from identifying with it.
I had Doug from purepwnage.com as my avatar before I chose this one, for example. Does that mean I want to be like FPS doug or act him out? - No, I could have chosen a car, or a chess figure, or a house, that doesn't mean I am into cars or want to be car or want to identify myself with the attributes of a car.
It's not that hard to get really. The girlfriend example is absolutely perfect btw. Because a girl-friend, in this particular, and only in this particular respect, is like a game avatar, you don't identify yourself with your girl-friend, you don't want to be your girl-friend or incorporate any attributes she might have, still you like to watch her.
Your arguments might be spot on if someone ROLEPLAYS his or her avatar, but choosing a female avatar in an online game is like choosing a cat as your AIM logo, or a heart, or a "dead kennedys" logo. It's after all just a symbol which, in most cases, is nothing you identify with.
Sidenote: Dyou know how many people on regular, non MMO/gaming boards have hot chicks as avatars? - countless...
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server merges would be ok, i dont see the point of having a low/low server up. they have too many. i enjoy my server though, humongous guild. very nice, alway giot keeps sieges on the calendar. to the OP, if your leve is not that high yet i suggest change servers , you will have much more fun. never have a problem with PQs or scenarios lately.
ROLE PLAYING GAME! Please read those words. Stop, now read them again. This is not real life, it is a game. Get over it. It is a role playing game. Stop hitting on the pixelated wood elf on your computer screen and I'm sure you won't have a problem anymore.
Why do people not understand that? Saying someone is a virtual cross dresser for playing a different gender is about as idiotic as calling everyone a virtual furry, because they play webkinz, hello kitty or a werewolf for example.
This has to be one of the most stoopit discussions I have ever read on these forums.
My two main characters are High Elf (Shadow Warrior 21 and Swordmaster 16), and both are women. Not because I prefer playing women over men, but because the race is heavily dress dependent. Seemed the right thing to do. If I played Dwarves, I would go testosterone heavy. Same with Empire.
Of course, I may have vagina envy.
Sorry if I freaked you out,
- LC