I think both Warhammer and AOC are in similar places now. Warhammer is much bigger at the moment, but neither of them are selling any boxes, which means their subscrption numbers are just going to drift down over time.
Warhammer is still selling boxes, its 88th at amazon in video games compared to 1600th for AoC and still significantly higher than WoW at 180th (the coming wow expansion is at number 1 however).
I still agree that WAR's numbers are going to drop over time though much slower than AoC has and they will become steady at a much higher number. I don't see any reason that WAR won't keep say 300k subs for a couple of years as long as they continue along the right path. The 3 patches so far show they are listening to the things people want improveing and doing so, of course aoc started well in this regard so only time will tell if mythic will keep it up. WoW is going to hurt both AoC and WAR, only time is going to say how much, I expect WAR to lose a bigger percentage to WoW than AoC though.
Gotta love mythics strong stance on gold sellers though banning over 10,000 of them so far. If I were to stop playing WAR perhaps for darkfall beta I would do so thinking mythic were a fantastic company completely different to how I felt when I left AoC.
I really should fix that quote. I didn't mean to say that AOC and Warhammer have the same subscriptions right now.. I meant that they are both slowly going downhill at the current time. Warhammer has dropped out of the top 100 now, and just to correct a little mistake you made.. WOW battlechest (original + first expansion) is still pretty high on the chart ( I think 42nd). Not many people are buying just the original WOW box because at most places you can get the battlechest for the same price (crazy I know).
I think 250-300k is a safe bet for where warhammer will be after the WOW expansion. I just really doubt the people who say it is at 750k and growing.
I realised you didn't think that War and AoC have the same number of subs and while I certainly agree with you that people will have and will continue to quit WAR meaning they won't have anything like 750k paying come the first month I just don't feel the game is losing subs in the way AoC did.
I think your number of a few hundred thousand proper paying and playing subs mid november could easily be fair though as long as mythic keep up the good work I think expect the game to mostly stableise at that rather than continue to fall to the sub 100k range like AoC.
I hope mythic are more proactive than funcom when it comes to server merging because WAR is a game that really relys on other people and if they let populations wane without dealing with it many people will leave.
Thanks for the correction, I did make a mistake but it wasn't the one you imagined, I did check the battlechest however I used the amazon in my favourites list without thinking about the fact it is the UK rather than the US site.
I don't know for sure, but i would bet money that the subscription #'s that WoW boasts are cumulative from launch. I don't think they give the number of "active" accounts, just the total over time. Anyone who plays WoW can tell you that populations aren't anywhere near what they used to be. Also, if their numbers have never done anything but grow, why were there hour long queues to get into battlegrounds 2 months after they were introduced causing Blizzard to merge servers into battlegroups?
I think that if Blizzard were to be honest with their numbers, it would be closer to half of what they boast today. Besides, one can only imagine the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of accounts belonging to gold sellers; the millions of "individuals" who have 2 or more accounts (some have several ((i read about a guy the other day with over 20))); and the hundreds of thousands (at least) of accounts that are purchased at "pay-n-play" cafe's around the world.
I think WoW is/was a great game, but if there were a way to accurately record the number of "unique" individuals that play the game, there numbers would be much closer to guild wars.
Topic of this poll should read "XFire Users Not Playing AoC, and I Don't Like the Game - Why Do You Think That Is?" You could just tell us instead of asking us to guess.
Definately. And in addition to this, there are even more AoC players, who are don't using Xfire, and those, who used Xfire, have uninstalled it after begun to play AoC.
Warhammer gets 'honest' player reviews, Age of Conan gets xFire polls. I love this site. lol
Maybe you should go check the Warhammer forums and meet our neighborhood AoCFanboi OrionMan and his spectacularly ridiculous WARFAIL X-fire stat posts.
Maybe you should go check the Warhammer forums and meet our neighborhood AoCFanboi OrionMan and his spectacularly ridiculous WARFAIL X-fire stat posts.
I would love to say something about OrionMan but I'm afraid I'll get banned if I say it. Lets just say.. that guy cannot be trusted.
I don't know for sure, but i would bet money that the subscription #'s that WoW boasts are cumulative from launch. I don't think they give the number of "active" accounts, just the total over time. Anyone who plays WoW can tell you that populations aren't anywhere near what they used to be. Also, if their numbers have never done anything but grow, why were there hour long queues to get into battlegrounds 2 months after they were introduced causing Blizzard to merge servers into battlegroups? I think that if Blizzard were to be honest with their numbers, it would be closer to half of what they boast today. Besides, one can only imagine the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of accounts belonging to gold sellers; the millions of "individuals" who have 2 or more accounts (some have several ((i read about a guy the other day with over 20))); and the hundreds of thousands (at least) of accounts that are purchased at "pay-n-play" cafe's around the world. I think WoW is/was a great game, but if there were a way to accurately record the number of "unique" individuals that play the game, there numbers would be much closer to guild wars.
actually they only counted active paying subscriptions, trial accounts, banned accounts and all non-paying accounts were not included.
on top of that if blizzard lied about their 10 million subscribers, they would be lying to their investors, and the next step for them would be prison.
well maybe blizzard is involved in a big conspiracy where they borrowed billions of dollars to give to their parent company just so they could say they have 10 million subscribers.
I think both Warhammer and AOC are in similar places now. Warhammer is much bigger at the moment, but neither of them are selling any boxes,
I'm guessing you missed the announcement about Warhammer hitting 750,000 registered accounts. And note that I say "registered accounts" and not "boxes sold", which could be even higher than the number of accounts:
To say that AoC and Warhammer are in similar places is at a minimum ignorant, and at most, dishonest. I'm not sure how anyone could come to this conclusion.
AoC is going down in flames because it was an overhyped piece of garbage that even a retarded monkey could recognize as little better than a "bait and switch" situation. Funcom lied to their future player base and the effect is quite obvious. The only reason why anyone uses xfire to show AoC's decline is because AoC fanboys were using it initially to show how popular AoC was at the beginning.
Screw xfire. AoC is falling down because it's a bad game with a bad engine, developed by a shitty game director who just recently resigned from Funcom. Gee, I wonder why? I thought AoC was like a steak with a glass of wine, while WoW was like McDonalds? That arrogant prick got exactly what he deserved. He got to watch his POS game go down in flames because of his own dishonesty and disillusionment.
Whatever negative things you can say about Warhammer, you can't say that Mythic misled their playerbase. It's not the best looking game out there, nor is it the most innovative. It doesn't claim to be either like AoC attempted. It uses a combat system we are all familiar with, rather than gambling like AoC did on a combat system that demands strange hand and wrist gymnastics to accomplish.
All in all, I prefer not being lied to, and more importantly, I prefer a game that's fun and actually has content at all levels that actually works as intended. Warhammer has keep sieges too. And guess what? They work.
Well Said! couldn't agree with you more, it dos look like gamers do have morals about being LIED too!!
OMG the Antithesis of Onionman.... Jeeze do you guys really find these types of trolling game bashing posts really fun? Cause if you don't maybe you should consider playing the games you like rather then trolling competitive games and posting these silly surveys and using silly intepretations of xfire states to prove points.
One day in xfire means nothing. The trend is what matters and for AoC right now that trend is flat so they have reached bottom and this is great news for AoC players it means the game has stabilized and as funcom delivers features the game will likely begin to grow. I'm playing war but I'm thrilled to see that AoC might be coming back from the ashes. If it does it is great news means there is another great game I can return to when war grows old.
So really this trolling gets so tiresome.
For the record while AoC is stable War is falling and has a ways to go till it reachs stability. So the path ahead for War doesn't look all that rosy where the path ahead for AoC is one of improvement.
"OMG the Antithesis of Onionman.... Jeeze do you guys really find these types of trolling game bashing posts really fun? Cause if you don't maybe you should consider playing the games you like rather then trolling competitive games and posting these silly surveys and using silly intepretations of xfire states to prove points. One day in xfire means nothing. The trend is what matters and for AoC right now that trend is flat so they have reached bottom and this is great news for AoC players it means the game has stabilized and as funcom delivers features the game will likely begin to grow. I'm playing war but I'm thrilled to see that AoC might be coming back from the ashes. If it does it is great news means there is another great game I can return to when war grows old. So really this trolling gets so tiresome. For the record while AoC is stable War is falling and has a ways to go till it reachs stability. So the path ahead for War doesn't look all that rosy where the path ahead for AoC is one of improvement."
I Played both games and all i can say is both are sadly overhyped. War and AoC have only 1 issue. The whole original theme that both games had (Open-rvr and player cities/sieges) does not work in them. It seems the developes didn't put enough work and thought into what made these games original and fun and put their money on the WoW-EQ style playing (whitch the failed at miserebly anyway... i mean how can you get the mail system wrong? >,<)
To bad as both games had potential in them. Seems they will finish as nitche games now...
The whole MMO market needs some refreshing ideas. Til then its back to single player games for me...
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i don't trust these x fire polls. not everyone uses them and i know i never do so i don't know how these are considered to be right. maybe it should say aoc on x fire has hit an all time low. a little more accurate?
Maybe you should go check the Warhammer forums and meet our neighborhood AoCFanboi OrionMan and his spectacularly ridiculous WARFAIL X-fire stat posts.
I would love to say something about OrionMan but I'm afraid I'll get banned if I say it. Lets just say.. that guy cannot be trusted.
The reason why I started this thread to begin with. If (name omited) can get away with it on the war forums why cant I do the same in AoC.
I got a forum warning yesterday because I posted a quote from (name omited) that he made about xfire and how it doesnt matter and how he hated those kind of posts. He pretty much gives very flase information about a game he doenst play and "I" get the warning..go figure.
Maybe you should go check the Warhammer forums and meet our neighborhood AoCFanboi OrionMan and his spectacularly ridiculous WARFAIL X-fire stat posts.
I would love to say something about OrionMan but I'm afraid I'll get banned if I say it. Lets just say.. that guy cannot be trusted.
The reason why I started this thread to begin with. If (name omited) can get away with it on the war forums why cant I do the same in AoC.
I got a forum warning yesterday because I posted a quote from (name omited) that he made about xfire and how it doesnt matter and how he hated those kind of posts. He pretty much gives very flase information about a game he doenst play and "I" get the warning..go figure.
Well, you have been here for awhile and have elite status, the "un-named" and friends recently registered have hundreds of posts in a short amount of time, are novices and only come to MMORPG to troll about their favorite game, and against the game they feel most threatened by. They don't care to be part of the community here, they are just nuisances.
Thing with X-fire comparisons, if you look at objectively and realize its a self-selected survey, you will understand that it is possible to compare the samples gotten from Xfire to each other. If you do so you'll notice that WAR is experiencing the same thing AoC AoC did after launch. WAR will be losing subs, just like AoC has lost subs, because both games fail to be the savior MMO people have hoped for. After the initial hype and newness of WAR wears off many people will leave WAR and return to whatever MMO they came fun or try the next MMO, just like they did in AoC. The difference between the two, however, is that AoC offers a new combat system while WAR offers a beefed up verison of WoW mini games.
Edit: while I am new here and do play AoC I'm not here to just troll WAR. WAR has its strong points, but imo, is not innovative while AoC has its weak points but IMO is ground breaking. I think FC is like saga. Saga was the first system to have higher than 16bit graphics, more than 4 button controlers, in game cinimatics, saga channel (why don't other companies do this now), and use CDs to play games. The company crumbled because it tried to do too many innovative things at one time and because it was too small. The difference between Saga and FC is that FC has monthly subs that can keep the company afloat, Saga did not
Originally posted by xpiher Thing with X-fire comparisons, if you look at objectively and realize its a self-selected survey, you will understand that it is possible to compare the samples gotten from Xfire to each other. If you do so you'll notice that WAR is experiencing the same thing AoC AoC did after launch. WAR will be losing subs, just like AoC has lost subs, because both games fail to be the savior MMO people have hoped for. After the initial hype and newness of WAR wears off many people will leave WAR and return to whatever MMO they came fun or try the next MMO, just like they did in AoC. The difference between the two, however, is that AoC offers a new combat system while WAR offers a beefed up verison of WoW mini games.
Edit: while I am new here and do play AoC I'm not here to just troll WAR. WAR has its strong points, but imo, is not innovative while AoC has its weak points but IMO is ground breaking. I think FC is like saga. Saga was the first system to have higher than 16bit graphics, more than 4 button controlers, in game cinimatics, saga channel (why don't other companies do this now), and use CDs to play games. The company crumbled because it tried to do too many innovative things at one time and because it was too small. The difference between Saga and FC is that FC has monthly subs that can keep the company afloat, Saga did not
Actually you are completely wrong. Of course War is gonna lose numbers. It happens with every mmo at release. AoC 's numbers were almost as high as Warhammers its first week but it fell like a rock after that. Two week s after launch, AoC had already lost almost half its x-fire numbers. One month after release it lost another 50%. Warhammer has lost some numbers but it in no way compares to the debacle that funcom has on their hands. When I have the time I will look it up and post em.
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haha. WOW had 14hours of downtime yesterday for the Wrath of the Lich King patch.
WOW still had like 238,000 hours played compared to AOC having 4,000.
That's because you can run WoW off your gameboy, and who bothered installing x-fire anyway?
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Warhammer is still selling boxes, its 88th at amazon in video games compared to 1600th for AoC and still significantly higher than WoW at 180th (the coming wow expansion is at number 1 however).
I still agree that WAR's numbers are going to drop over time though much slower than AoC has and they will become steady at a much higher number. I don't see any reason that WAR won't keep say 300k subs for a couple of years as long as they continue along the right path. The 3 patches so far show they are listening to the things people want improveing and doing so, of course aoc started well in this regard so only time will tell if mythic will keep it up. WoW is going to hurt both AoC and WAR, only time is going to say how much, I expect WAR to lose a bigger percentage to WoW than AoC though.
Gotta love mythics strong stance on gold sellers though banning over 10,000 of them so far. If I were to stop playing WAR perhaps for darkfall beta I would do so thinking mythic were a fantastic company completely different to how I felt when I left AoC.
I really should fix that quote. I didn't mean to say that AOC and Warhammer have the same subscriptions right now.. I meant that they are both slowly going downhill at the current time. Warhammer has dropped out of the top 100 now, and just to correct a little mistake you made.. WOW battlechest (original + first expansion) is still pretty high on the chart ( I think 42nd). Not many people are buying just the original WOW box because at most places you can get the battlechest for the same price (crazy I know).
I think 250-300k is a safe bet for where warhammer will be after the WOW expansion. I just really doubt the people who say it is at 750k and growing.
I realised you didn't think that War and AoC have the same number of subs and while I certainly agree with you that people will have and will continue to quit WAR meaning they won't have anything like 750k paying come the first month I just don't feel the game is losing subs in the way AoC did.
I think your number of a few hundred thousand proper paying and playing subs mid november could easily be fair though as long as mythic keep up the good work I think expect the game to mostly stableise at that rather than continue to fall to the sub 100k range like AoC.
I hope mythic are more proactive than funcom when it comes to server merging because WAR is a game that really relys on other people and if they let populations wane without dealing with it many people will leave.
Thanks for the correction, I did make a mistake but it wasn't the one you imagined, I did check the battlechest however I used the amazon in my favourites list without thinking about the fact it is the UK rather than the US site.
I don't know for sure, but i would bet money that the subscription #'s that WoW boasts are cumulative from launch. I don't think they give the number of "active" accounts, just the total over time. Anyone who plays WoW can tell you that populations aren't anywhere near what they used to be. Also, if their numbers have never done anything but grow, why were there hour long queues to get into battlegrounds 2 months after they were introduced causing Blizzard to merge servers into battlegroups?
I think that if Blizzard were to be honest with their numbers, it would be closer to half of what they boast today. Besides, one can only imagine the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of accounts belonging to gold sellers; the millions of "individuals" who have 2 or more accounts (some have several ((i read about a guy the other day with over 20))); and the hundreds of thousands (at least) of accounts that are purchased at "pay-n-play" cafe's around the world.
I think WoW is/was a great game, but if there were a way to accurately record the number of "unique" individuals that play the game, there numbers would be much closer to guild wars.
The OP forgot another option. That those who are consistently playing AOC don't use x-fire. I know that I don't.
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Definately. And in addition to this, there are even more AoC players, who are don't using Xfire, and those, who used Xfire, have uninstalled it after begun to play AoC.
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Shhhh..... don't sully up this guy's anti-AoC troll poll
You are playing a video game. By definition that means you are not hardcore.
Maybe you should go check the Warhammer forums and meet our neighborhood AoCFanboi OrionMan and his spectacularly ridiculous WARFAIL X-fire stat posts.
STOP WHINING!
Well, the guy did list the main reasons why people left AoC. It would be interesting to see the results. Too bad not many people get to vote.
I would love to say something about OrionMan but I'm afraid I'll get banned if I say it. Lets just say.. that guy cannot be trusted.
actually they only counted active paying subscriptions, trial accounts, banned accounts and all non-paying accounts were not included.
on top of that if blizzard lied about their 10 million subscribers, they would be lying to their investors, and the next step for them would be prison.
well maybe blizzard is involved in a big conspiracy where they borrowed billions of dollars to give to their parent company just so they could say they have 10 million subscribers.
I'm guessing you missed the announcement about Warhammer hitting 750,000 registered accounts. And note that I say "registered accounts" and not "boxes sold", which could be even higher than the number of accounts:
http://www.warhammeronline.com/pressreleases/20081010.php
To say that AoC and Warhammer are in similar places is at a minimum ignorant, and at most, dishonest. I'm not sure how anyone could come to this conclusion.
AoC is going down in flames because it was an overhyped piece of garbage that even a retarded monkey could recognize as little better than a "bait and switch" situation. Funcom lied to their future player base and the effect is quite obvious. The only reason why anyone uses xfire to show AoC's decline is because AoC fanboys were using it initially to show how popular AoC was at the beginning.
Screw xfire. AoC is falling down because it's a bad game with a bad engine, developed by a shitty game director who just recently resigned from Funcom. Gee, I wonder why? I thought AoC was like a steak with a glass of wine, while WoW was like McDonalds? That arrogant prick got exactly what he deserved. He got to watch his POS game go down in flames because of his own dishonesty and disillusionment.
Whatever negative things you can say about Warhammer, you can't say that Mythic misled their playerbase. It's not the best looking game out there, nor is it the most innovative. It doesn't claim to be either like AoC attempted. It uses a combat system we are all familiar with, rather than gambling like AoC did on a combat system that demands strange hand and wrist gymnastics to accomplish.
All in all, I prefer not being lied to, and more importantly, I prefer a game that's fun and actually has content at all levels that actually works as intended. Warhammer has keep sieges too. And guess what? They work.
Well Said! couldn't agree with you more, it dos look like gamers do have morals about being LIED too!!
OMG the Antithesis of Onionman.... Jeeze do you guys really find these types of trolling game bashing posts really fun? Cause if you don't maybe you should consider playing the games you like rather then trolling competitive games and posting these silly surveys and using silly intepretations of xfire states to prove points.
One day in xfire means nothing. The trend is what matters and for AoC right now that trend is flat so they have reached bottom and this is great news for AoC players it means the game has stabilized and as funcom delivers features the game will likely begin to grow. I'm playing war but I'm thrilled to see that AoC might be coming back from the ashes. If it does it is great news means there is another great game I can return to when war grows old.
So really this trolling gets so tiresome.
For the record while AoC is stable War is falling and has a ways to go till it reachs stability. So the path ahead for War doesn't look all that rosy where the path ahead for AoC is one of improvement.
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I Played both games and all i can say is both are sadly overhyped. War and AoC have only 1 issue. The whole original theme that both games had (Open-rvr and player cities/sieges) does not work in them. It seems the developes didn't put enough work and thought into what made these games original and fun and put their money on the WoW-EQ style playing (whitch the failed at miserebly anyway... i mean how can you get the mail system wrong? >,<)
To bad as both games had potential in them. Seems they will finish as nitche games now...
The whole MMO market needs some refreshing ideas. Til then its back to single player games for me...
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i don't trust these x fire polls. not everyone uses them and i know i never do so i don't know how these are considered to be right. maybe it should say aoc on x fire has hit an all time low. a little more accurate?
The reason why I started this thread to begin with. If (name omited) can get away with it on the war forums why cant I do the same in AoC.
I got a forum warning yesterday because I posted a quote from (name omited) that he made about xfire and how it doesnt matter and how he hated those kind of posts. He pretty much gives very flase information about a game he doenst play and "I" get the warning..go figure.
Maybe Protus-AOC left the game to cause such horrific number crunching ?!?
I would love to say something about OrionMan but I'm afraid I'll get banned if I say it. Lets just say.. that guy cannot be trusted.
The reason why I started this thread to begin with. If (name omited) can get away with it on the war forums why cant I do the same in AoC.
I got a forum warning yesterday because I posted a quote from (name omited) that he made about xfire and how it doesnt matter and how he hated those kind of posts. He pretty much gives very flase information about a game he doenst play and "I" get the warning..go figure.
Well, you have been here for awhile and have elite status, the "un-named" and friends recently registered have hundreds of posts in a short amount of time, are novices and only come to MMORPG to troll about their favorite game, and against the game they feel most threatened by. They don't care to be part of the community here, they are just nuisances.
Thing with X-fire comparisons, if you look at objectively and realize its a self-selected survey, you will understand that it is possible to compare the samples gotten from Xfire to each other. If you do so you'll notice that WAR is experiencing the same thing AoC AoC did after launch. WAR will be losing subs, just like AoC has lost subs, because both games fail to be the savior MMO people have hoped for. After the initial hype and newness of WAR wears off many people will leave WAR and return to whatever MMO they came fun or try the next MMO, just like they did in AoC. The difference between the two, however, is that AoC offers a new combat system while WAR offers a beefed up verison of WoW mini games.
Edit: while I am new here and do play AoC I'm not here to just troll WAR. WAR has its strong points, but imo, is not innovative while AoC has its weak points but IMO is ground breaking. I think FC is like saga. Saga was the first system to have higher than 16bit graphics, more than 4 button controlers, in game cinimatics, saga channel (why don't other companies do this now), and use CDs to play games. The company crumbled because it tried to do too many innovative things at one time and because it was too small. The difference between Saga and FC is that FC has monthly subs that can keep the company afloat, Saga did not
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Actually you are completely wrong. Of course War is gonna lose numbers. It happens with every mmo at release. AoC 's numbers were almost as high as Warhammers its first week but it fell like a rock after that. Two week s after launch, AoC had already lost almost half its x-fire numbers. One month after release it lost another 50%. Warhammer has lost some numbers but it in no way compares to the debacle that funcom has on their hands. When I have the time I will look it up and post em.