Ok.. lets chat about 'what you can do at endgame' in WOW 1. 10 or 25 man guild raids ( 8 of them in BC, about 10 in Wrath)
2. Heroic endgame dungeons ( About 20 of them)
3. Battlegrounds ( 4 of them, soon 5)
4. Lake Wintergrasp (open world RvR zone)
5. Achievements
6. Daily Quests
7. About 10 fully fleshed out craft skills.
8. Arena ( I have 2 and 5 man teams)
It's funny that you mention people grinding BG's in WOW considering that is 1 of about 8 different things you can be doing.. but if you look at Warhammer.. what percentage of players are doing nothing BUT grinding scenarios. You see posts about it everywhere from players. If people chose to grind BGs in WOW, it's because they are chosing to, not because there aren't other viable aternatives. But as most people who tried warhammer will tell you.. on most servers (the ones that are med or low).. grinding scenarios IS the only option. PQs can't be done, RvR doesn't happen unless you count destro taking things that aren't defended. Do you think it's a coincidence that Jacob's just announced that they will be allowing transfers off of low population servers? What do you think is going to happen a week after that? Those servers will be turned off. We are not even out of the free month and they are already planning on turning off servers.
It's funny that you bring those things up considering that NONE, not one of those items you listed were available in WoW when it launched, NOT ONE.
You are soooo critical of WAR and are not willing to look past what you percieve as faults, but you are willing to do that for WoW? Apply double standards much?
You are comparing the features of a game that has been out for 4 years, to a game that has been out for less then a month. I have no doubt that when WAR has had 4 years to age it will have a whole slew of new things to do at end-game similar to your list of what WoW has after 4 years of development.
Yes, WoW is a good game, but it has had FOUR YEARS to become that good game. When you compare what WoW had at launch to what WAR has at launch, you will find that WAR actually HAS more then WoW did.
Lets do this, lets look at what WAR has in endgame compared to what WoW had at endgame when it released....
WAR:
1. Scenarios (battlegrounds)
2. City Sieges
3. Open World RvR
4. Dungeons, multiple 6-man (single group) up through 24-man (raids) dungeons are in-game, and functioning properly
War is a totall disaster as it is today! Yes i preordered it, and tried it out, have a 33 bladedancer. Now, i find it booring. The PVP part is fine, but the rest sucks!
Wow was the same at the beggining! Now, i find WOW more pleasurable then WAR today. But i will let WAR mature over time. I will keep paying, and logging in to the game, to see if they can fix it... I have faith in Mythic, and think they can fix it withing the next few months...
War is a totall disaster as it is today! Yes i preordered it, and tried it out, have a 33 bladedancer. Now, i find it booring. The PVP part is fine, but the rest sucks! Wow was the same at the beggining! Now, i find WOW more pleasurable then WAR today. But i will let WAR mature over time. I will keep paying, and logging in to the game, to see if they can fix it... I have faith in Mythic, and think they can fix it withing the next few months...
If we apply that logic, WoW was not a good game when it was released, because when it was released, it didn't contain items 4, 5, 6 or 8 on your list, only had 3 bgs and not nearly the number of dungeons and raids as today.
not meaning to flame here because you're basically agreeing with me but you're proving my last point in my prior post.
you obviously didnt play WoW from the start as there were zero BG's and 1.5 non working raid encounters.
you can strike ech and ever number he listed as none of it existed at luanch or for atleast 6 months after launch for WoW
You are correct. It's been a few years and I actually joined WoW right as the BGs came out. I read your post which triggered my memory from that time.
your stupid green hair and that gay belly button jewel are showing OP
comparing AoC's launch and WAR's launch is laughable.
Why is that really I am sitting on my ass over here still waiting on Mythic to clean up their performance/lag/crash shit so I can test this damn game I bought. I can hardly get more FCK up than that. I was at least able to play AoC, it was just that the memory leaks would force me to log every now and then. This stuff is just outrageous. I am talking bare basics here, not about the bugs, or any of all that other crazy stuff like Order vs Destruction imbalance, thin server population and so on. I just want to play the game. To me WAR absolutely has more problems than AoC. remember AoC did also not run into criticism before about a month or so had gone by.
Ok.. lets chat about 'what you can do at endgame' in WOW 1. 10 or 25 man guild raids ( 8 of them in BC, about 10 in Wrath)
2. Heroic endgame dungeons ( About 20 of them)
3. Battlegrounds ( 4 of them, soon 5)
4. Lake Wintergrasp (open world RvR zone)
5. Achievements
6. Daily Quests
7. About 10 fully fleshed out craft skills.
8. Arena ( I have 2 and 5 man teams)
It's funny that you mention people grinding BG's in WOW considering that is 1 of about 8 different things you can be doing.. but if you look at Warhammer.. what percentage of players are doing nothing BUT grinding scenarios. You see posts about it everywhere from players. If people chose to grind BGs in WOW, it's because they are chosing to, not because there aren't other viable aternatives. But as most people who tried warhammer will tell you.. on most servers (the ones that are med or low).. grinding scenarios IS the only option. PQs can't be done, RvR doesn't happen unless you count destro taking things that aren't defended. Do you think it's a coincidence that Jacob's just announced that they will be allowing transfers off of low population servers? What do you think is going to happen a week after that? Those servers will be turned off. We are not even out of the free month and they are already planning on turning off servers.
It's funny that you bring those things up considering that NONE, not one of those items you listed were available in WoW when it launched, NOT ONE.
You are soooo critical of WAR and are not willing to look past what you percieve as faults, but you are willing to do that for WoW? Apply double standards much?
You are comparing the features of a game that has been out for 4 years, to a game that has been out for less then a month. I have no doubt that when WAR has had 4 years to age it will have a whole slew of new things to do at end-game similar to your list of what WoW has after 4 years of development.
Yes, WoW is a good game, but it has had FOUR YEARS to become that good game. When you compare what WoW had at launch to what WAR has at launch, you will find that WAR actually HAS more then WoW did.
Lets do this, lets look at what WAR has in endgame compared to what WoW had at endgame when it released....
WAR:
1. Scenarios (battlegrounds)
2. City Sieges
3. Open World RvR
4. Dungeons, multiple 6-man (single group) up through 24-man (raids) dungeons are in-game, and functioning properly
WoW
1. Dungeon, one single dungeon, UBRS
2. Ummm.....
3. Nothing to see here....
4. Still nothing to see here....
Look it's just laughable to try and match WAR up against WoW. WoW is the undisputed content winner. Hands down now and/or WoW launch. AoC is the undisputed Graphics,atmosphere, Innovation type of winner while I am not really sure what WAR is... WAR could have been the undisputed RvR winner but then again it is not working so I don't know what to say. I hope Mythic get their stuff together soon so WAR can be the massive PvP winner but at the moment is looks like "The communicator" Mike Jacobs is going to waste his chance. He should rather focus on taping his game together than bitch on other games.
War is a totall disaster as it is today! Yes i preordered it, and tried it out, have a 33 bladedancer. Now, i find it booring. The PVP part is fine, but the rest sucks! Wow was the same at the beggining! Now, i find WOW more pleasurable then WAR today. But i will let WAR mature over time. I will keep paying, and logging in to the game, to see if they can fix it... I have faith in Mythic, and think they can fix it withing the next few months...
How do you play the BladeDancer class?
Blade Dancer? It's obvious that he's never played the game and only has 2 posts.
I think someone from the PR department at Mythic should tell Mark Jacobs to shut it already. This game has alot of obvious flaws, and will never be as successful as WoW. Hyping the game up and throwing petty insults at Blizzard after they make 1 comment, to Mythics implied suggestions in everyone of their hype videos, shows why this game has problems. Because obviously the developers behind it are unproffestional. Everything that the developer for WoW has said is 100% true, and has been mentioned tons of times in every War related forum. Most of the problems with this game should not of been in launch, for instance how can such a terrible chat interface just slip through a beta? It is obvious that there would be problems with faction inbalance as well, you only need to look at what happened in WoW to see that it would happen again in War, so why wasn't something done about that? They have also designed the world to the point where people are so spread out you do not see many people around, it is an obvious flaw that should of been dealt with in their beta. Granted they are fixing it now, but it does not change the fact that these problems are so obvious they should not of been there in the first place. Btw the comment about the NDA is true as well, what is there to hide if your game is supposedly so briliant? If there was not the backlash from AoC regarding the missing content I bet you they would of never told anyone about their missing content till a few days before release. However I believe his comment about NDAs was aimed at the industry as a whole and not just Mythic who are obviously guilty of the same act. All that said, Blizzard should not scoop to such a low level when they are the market leader and set the example nor should Mythic, whom MJ is obviously representive of, should not of responded to it. Ive lost even more respect for both of these companies now. Its bad enough they make us pay for betas, but they need to act like children in a mud slinging match as well. It is quite sad that these 2 companies are the market leaders. Also puts into question how are they going to turn around actual design flaws if they act like this.
bang on, I agree with everything you put. Jacobs has always had an unhealthy fasicination with WoW and a history of being a cry baby at VN boards. He should let PR do their job and concentrate on fixing WAR up.
Rofl why it that posts that have anything to do with WoW always gets a lot of attention?
As far as i am concerned this is another redundant as*ed post, because whether the NDA was lifted or not is inconsequential, as WAR is a success, if it wasnt then maybe it would have been an issue.
Rofl why it that posts that have anything to do with WoW always gets a lot of attention? As far as i am concerned this is another redundant as*ed post, because whether the NDA was lifted or not is inconsequential, as WAR is a success, if it wasnt then maybe it would have been an issue.
If it was a single-player game war would have been a mild success at best. Being it's an mmo the jury's still out wouldn't you say?
I think someone from the PR department at Mythic should tell Mark Jacobs to shut it already. This game has alot of obvious flaws, and will never be as successful as WoW. Hyping the game up and throwing petty insults at Blizzard after they make 1 comment, to Mythics implied suggestions in everyone of their hype videos, shows why this game has problems. Because obviously the developers behind it are unproffestional. Everything that the developer for WoW has said is 100% true, and has been mentioned tons of times in every War related forum. Most of the problems with this game should not of been in launch, for instance how can such a terrible chat interface just slip through a beta? It is obvious that there would be problems with faction inbalance as well, you only need to look at what happened in WoW to see that it would happen again in War, so why wasn't something done about that? They have also designed the world to the point where people are so spread out you do not see many people around, it is an obvious flaw that should of been dealt with in their beta. Granted they are fixing it now, but it does not change the fact that these problems are so obvious they should not of been there in the first place. Btw the comment about the NDA is true as well, what is there to hide if your game is supposedly so briliant? If there was not the backlash from AoC regarding the missing content I bet you they would of never told anyone about their missing content till a few days before release. However I believe his comment about NDAs was aimed at the industry as a whole and not just Mythic who are obviously guilty of the same act. All that said, Blizzard should not scoop to such a low level when they are the market leader and set the example nor should Mythic, whom MJ is obviously representive of, should not of responded to it. Ive lost even more respect for both of these companies now. Its bad enough they make us pay for betas, but they need to act like children in a mud slinging match as well. It is quite sad that these 2 companies are the market leaders. Also puts into question how are they going to turn around actual design flaws if they act like this.
bang on, I agree with everything you put. Jacobs has always had an unhealthy fasicination with WoW and a history of being a cry baby at VN boards. He should let PR do their job and concentrate on fixing WAR up.
Yeah he does strike me as one of those whiney types. Kinda like he just got back from seeing his therapist and "so give me a break over here!" and so on.
I found this article funny. Apparently Jacobs didn't. He is fuming over on another forum.. and has vowed to take the 'gloves off' when talking about WOW. http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/10/16/world-of-warcraft-game-director-on-warhammer-online Apparently the offending part of the article was when the WOW developer questioned why a game would keep up an NDA until the launch of the game. In my opinion, this is a very valid question. You see this decision playing out on Warhammer since every city seige that has happened so far has been bugged and exploited. When beta testers are 'hushed' there is no bully pulpit to get get glaring exploits fixed. I also found it amusing that the WOW dev experienced a lot of what the rest of us did. Very little RvR and the majority of the game is spent grinding scenarios. I think the state of Warhammer is pretty apparent when the first 'state of the game' speech will come the day before first renewals and will amount to 'please don't quit'. Maybe the second 'state of the game' speech will have a mop in the background and you can sing Baby come back..
This is just all false its easy to point fingers and lie. But as you see it is false. I have raided IC and Beat on jett in beta.
The NDA was lisfted before open beta even.
WArhammer had the most open development of a mmo to date, there is no doubt in this , the youd show your hand if you were not hiding secrets is BS. REally loook at thread on this very site you'll see tons of people saying wow they show us so much , and they did. Mythic showed us at leasy 7 times more than blizz did with the development of their games (however new tech plays some role in this, not 7 times the role tho).
Senerios are not the fastest way to level , they may however, be if you never group. L2 socialize.
He in teir two i have played on 3 servers and normally it takes 1-10 minutes. At peak its most often 0-4 before and after 2-8 and when no ones on 8-11 (3 am).
And like he has any room to talk about sides being overpopulated (wow servers are normally havely populated by one side OR THE OTHER) At least in WAr there is a reason to make new toons on low sides servers 20% exp and renown bonus which is a ton.
Wow's user interface is a copy of daoc -> AC2 and others, there was nothing of great note differnece. So if war stoel this so did wow. (It pretty much the standard mmo ui atm).
"The game stability has been unbelievable and it blows away any other online games" QFT
Seriously, servers are rock hard. I now crash more in wow than in WAR. for the last month in wow the top population servers have been able to raid one night because the severs lag and crash out every night (This is 4 years in, you want to compare games go ahead but be carefulz).
Now you might not like WAR but you have to admit WAr/mythic has gone a much better job releaseing this game, fixing issues, and adressing community concerns (already bumped open rvr to 100% exp) now compare that to blizzard ... it not even close. On this principle alone id rather play war as im sick of dev. screwing the player base becuase they don't giva.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I think someone from the PR department at Mythic should tell Mark Jacobs to shut it already. This game has alot of obvious flaws, and will never be as successful as WoW. Hyping the game up and throwing petty insults at Blizzard after they make 1 comment, to Mythics implied suggestions in everyone of their hype videos, shows why this game has problems. Because obviously the developers behind it are unproffestional. How so? Everything that the developer for WoW has said is 100% true, and has been mentioned tons of times in every War related forum. Most of the problems with this game should not of been in launch, for instance how can such a terrible chat interface just slip through a beta? At least you could play the game , wow was basicly unplayable at release, i waited 10 minutes (the real high end wait time of a senerio) JUST TO LOOT ONE MOB OVER AND OVER. It is obvious that there would be problems with faction inbalance as well, you only need to look at what happened in WoW to see that it would happen again in War, so why wasn't something done about that? You can't force people to do somethign they don't want to, however, they have on the server that are massivly unbalaenced they give 20% exp and reknown to the low side. This is more than WoW has ever done , and they did it within the first two week of their game. They have also designed the world to the point where people are so spread out you do not see many people around, it is an obvious flaw that should of been dealt with in their beta. People are a bit spread out, but you can who and use the open party option , i rarly have problems finding groups, and you can que for sens anywhere this took what wow 4+ years to do? Granted they are fixing it now, but it does not change the fact that these problems are so obvious they should not of been there in the first place. Dude none of the problems are that big, there for people who complian too much , and ioften they don't even exists (are not real). Btw the comment about the NDA is true as well, what is there to hide if your game is supposedly so briliant? If there was not the backlash from AoC regarding the missing content I bet you they would of never told anyone about their missing content till a few days before release. No its not. However I believe his comment about NDAs was aimed at the industry as a whole and not just Mythic who are obviously guilty of the same act. Wrong agian. (AS a side note did Wow have a beta and a NDA, gee i sure remember being on one for more than a year , longer than 99% of war beta players... darn those pesky facts). All that said, Blizzard should not scoop to such a low level when they are the market leader and set the example nor should Mythic, whom MJ is obviously representive of, should not of responded to it. Ive lost even more respect for both of these companies now. Its bad enough they make us pay for betas, but they need to act like children in a mud slinging match as well. It is quite sad that these 2 companies are the market leaders. Also puts into question how are they going to turn around actual design flaws if they act like this. REally, take some of the bias out of your thinking and maybe you come up with some texts that adds to the discussion.
Lets all be honest, you don't have to liek WAR , but most of these claims (of the blizz staff) are simply uneducated claims are that largely false. Some of them i can't sayd becuase well what MJ said to this dude or not , i have no clue. But I beta'ed war and wow for a long time each. Wow's release had nothign i mean nothing on WArs if both games were released at the same time , you would have never even heard of wow. Wow release state was sad, people who played it got two weeks free play becuase it was unplayable for a full two weeks after the release date im saying 95% unplayable most often you sat around doing thing waiting for servers to catch up with your toon and loot.
While MJ may be takign the fight to WoW he is not being nasty while doing it obviously, however, it seems like one if nasty things are said (ie bliz director dude) he not gonna back down. He comments here seem quite weak even he should have said we have a better game etc etc. Oh well you can make accusation then their is reality (join us.)
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I tried to get an answer from Azrile aka Petey-Boy in another pointless thread he made about Amazon TOP100 sales list. My question was: "What is your Agenda?" He never answered. Why is he posting to or even reading this forum? And his pal Chrysis... what's his plan? They've clearly stated they don't want to play this game but why bother post on the games forum? I really hope you could stay in the WoW-forum, it's your game. And Chrysis... please contribute to Tabula Rasa, it seems to be more like your cup of tea.
My agenda? I just enjoy the debate. Can we go through some questions?
1. Did elders, the day before launch have an NDA on endgame content? Yes
No, this is false they had an NDA on elder servers not end game content.
2. Do lots of people on this forum and the others complain about everyone being in scenarios and not enough people doing RvR? Yes
Then agian you have a lot of wow/ aoc fanboyz too , one of which claimed his lvl 33 bladeweaver had abd experiences (BW is not a class in WAR).
3. Do lots of people show concern about population imbalances? Yes
Sure, but i have played on both sides being the low pop HELPS you in that sens que faster , there are always people to play with.
4. Out of all the city seiges that have taken place.. have any of them worked? No
How many lvl 40s we got, how equiped are they, do they know the tactics to the fights , etc. Its not supposted to be easy its supposted to be harder then MC was when it was first released.
5. Less than a month after launch, are there players asking for server mergers? Yes
Are they? im not.
And I don't recall what exact question you asked about the top 100 games sales. The point remains that Warhammer has fallen out of the top 100 total games sales. You can say " but only count PC games, don't count preorders and don't count games that begin with letter S"..but the fact remains... Animal Crossing: City Folks sold more boxes than warhammer did last week. Let's log into warhammer and count how many servers right now are at low/low and low/medium.. shall we?
Server populations have steadily decreased since launch. Box sales are now in the Animal Crossing range and we haven't even hitten the first renewal date.
When i geta new game i play it a ton more than a month after, however, i do believe that people have left.
But really, the only reason I'm posting here is because for the past 30 mins, I've been trying to open my ingame mail
HAHA this is funny guess what mail was fixed like the 20ths i realize this was 4 days after you posted , but it just goes to show that Mythic fixes stuff fast. Mail lag no longer a issue, thank you mythic for another quick fix on a standing issue, name another company that has fixed as much as mythic and as fast... U can't.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I tried to get an answer from Azrile aka Petey-Boy in another pointless thread he made about Amazon TOP100 sales list. My question was: "What is your Agenda?" He never answered. Why is he posting to or even reading this forum? And his pal Chrysis... what's his plan? They've clearly stated they don't want to play this game but why bother post on the games forum? I really hope you could stay in the WoW-forum, it's your game. And Chrysis... please contribute to Tabula Rasa, it seems to be more like your cup of tea.
My agenda? I just enjoy the debate. Can we go through some questions?
1. Did elders, the day before launch have an NDA on endgame content? Yes
No, this is false they had an NDA on elder servers not end game content.
2. Do lots of people on this forum and the others complain about everyone being in scenarios and not enough people doing RvR? Yes
Then agian you have a lot of wow/ aoc fanboyz too , one of which claimed his lvl 33 bladeweaver had abd experiences (BW is not a class in WAR).
3. Do lots of people show concern about population imbalances? Yes
Sure, but i have played on both sides being the low pop HELPS you in that sens que faster , there are always people to play with.
4. Out of all the city seiges that have taken place.. have any of them worked? No
How many lvl 40s we got, how equiped are they, do they know the tactics to the fights , etc. Its not supposted to be easy its supposted to be harder then MC was when it was first released.
5. Less than a month after launch, are there players asking for server mergers? Yes
Are they? im not.
And I don't recall what exact question you asked about the top 100 games sales. The point remains that Warhammer has fallen out of the top 100 total games sales. You can say " but only count PC games, don't count preorders and don't count games that begin with letter S"..but the fact remains... Animal Crossing: City Folks sold more boxes than warhammer did last week. Let's log into warhammer and count how many servers right now are at low/low and low/medium.. shall we?
Server populations have steadily decreased since launch. Box sales are now in the Animal Crossing range and we haven't even hitten the first renewal date.
When i geta new game i play it a ton more than a month after, however, i do believe that people have left.
But really, the only reason I'm posting here is because for the past 30 mins, I've been trying to open my ingame mail
HAHA this is funny guess what mail was fixed like the 20ths i realize this was 4 days after you posted , but it just goes to show that Mythic fixes stuff fast. Mail lag no longer a issue, thank you mythic for another quick fix on a standing issue, name another company that has fixed as much as mythic and as fast... U can't.
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It's funny that you bring those things up considering that NONE, not one of those items you listed were available in WoW when it launched, NOT ONE.
You are soooo critical of WAR and are not willing to look past what you percieve as faults, but you are willing to do that for WoW? Apply double standards much?
You are comparing the features of a game that has been out for 4 years, to a game that has been out for less then a month. I have no doubt that when WAR has had 4 years to age it will have a whole slew of new things to do at end-game similar to your list of what WoW has after 4 years of development.
Yes, WoW is a good game, but it has had FOUR YEARS to become that good game. When you compare what WoW had at launch to what WAR has at launch, you will find that WAR actually HAS more then WoW did.
Lets do this, lets look at what WAR has in endgame compared to what WoW had at endgame when it released....
WAR:
1. Scenarios (battlegrounds)
2. City Sieges
3. Open World RvR
4. Dungeons, multiple 6-man (single group) up through 24-man (raids) dungeons are in-game, and functioning properly
WoW
1. Dungeon, one single dungeon, UBRS
2. Ummm.....
3. Nothing to see here....
4. Still nothing to see here....
ERROR! WOW? WAR? Anyone still playing it??!!!
War is a totall disaster as it is today! Yes i preordered it, and tried it out, have a 33 bladedancer. Now, i find it booring. The PVP part is fine, but the rest sucks!
Wow was the same at the beggining! Now, i find WOW more pleasurable then WAR today. But i will let WAR mature over time. I will keep paying, and logging in to the game, to see if they can fix it... I have faith in Mythic, and think they can fix it withing the next few months...
How do you play the BladeDancer class?
not meaning to flame here because you're basically agreeing with me but you're proving my last point in my prior post.
you obviously didnt play WoW from the start as there were zero BG's and 1.5 non working raid encounters.
you can strike ech and ever number he listed as none of it existed at luanch or for atleast 6 months after launch for WoW
You are correct. It's been a few years and I actually joined WoW right as the BGs came out. I read your post which triggered my memory from that time.
I liked your response better.
Why is that really I am sitting on my ass over here still waiting on Mythic to clean up their performance/lag/crash shit so I can test this damn game I bought. I can hardly get more FCK up than that. I was at least able to play AoC, it was just that the memory leaks would force me to log every now and then. This stuff is just outrageous. I am talking bare basics here, not about the bugs, or any of all that other crazy stuff like Order vs Destruction imbalance, thin server population and so on. I just want to play the game. To me WAR absolutely has more problems than AoC. remember AoC did also not run into criticism before about a month or so had gone by.
It's funny that you bring those things up considering that NONE, not one of those items you listed were available in WoW when it launched, NOT ONE.
You are soooo critical of WAR and are not willing to look past what you percieve as faults, but you are willing to do that for WoW? Apply double standards much?
You are comparing the features of a game that has been out for 4 years, to a game that has been out for less then a month. I have no doubt that when WAR has had 4 years to age it will have a whole slew of new things to do at end-game similar to your list of what WoW has after 4 years of development.
Yes, WoW is a good game, but it has had FOUR YEARS to become that good game. When you compare what WoW had at launch to what WAR has at launch, you will find that WAR actually HAS more then WoW did.
Lets do this, lets look at what WAR has in endgame compared to what WoW had at endgame when it released....
WAR:
1. Scenarios (battlegrounds)
2. City Sieges
3. Open World RvR
4. Dungeons, multiple 6-man (single group) up through 24-man (raids) dungeons are in-game, and functioning properly
WoW
1. Dungeon, one single dungeon, UBRS
2. Ummm.....
3. Nothing to see here....
4. Still nothing to see here....
Look it's just laughable to try and match WAR up against WoW. WoW is the undisputed content winner. Hands down now and/or WoW launch. AoC is the undisputed Graphics,atmosphere, Innovation type of winner while I am not really sure what WAR is... WAR could have been the undisputed RvR winner but then again it is not working so I don't know what to say. I hope Mythic get their stuff together soon so WAR can be the massive PvP winner but at the moment is looks like "The communicator" Mike Jacobs is going to waste his chance. He should rather focus on taping his game together than bitch on other games.
How do you play the BladeDancer class?
Blade Dancer? It's obvious that he's never played the game and only has 2 posts.
bang on, I agree with everything you put. Jacobs has always had an unhealthy fasicination with WoW and a history of being a cry baby at VN boards. He should let PR do their job and concentrate on fixing WAR up.
pretty funny link, even more funny is ppls reactions in this thread.
*eats popcorn and reads thread*
Please STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.
This post is a WoW post in the form of an insult to WAR. The original poster is a WoW fanboi. MODS.. please step in and do your job. Thank you.
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Rofl why it that posts that have anything to do with WoW always gets a lot of attention?
As far as i am concerned this is another redundant as*ed post, because whether the NDA was lifted or not is inconsequential, as WAR is a success, if it wasnt then maybe it would have been an issue.
If it was a single-player game war would have been a mild success at best. Being it's an mmo the jury's still out wouldn't you say?
bang on, I agree with everything you put. Jacobs has always had an unhealthy fasicination with WoW and a history of being a cry baby at VN boards. He should let PR do their job and concentrate on fixing WAR up.
Yeah he does strike me as one of those whiney types. Kinda like he just got back from seeing his therapist and "so give me a break over here!" and so on.
...only thing not funny is some people's reliance on over-used trend jibberish.
This is just all false its easy to point fingers and lie. But as you see it is false. I have raided IC and Beat on jett in beta.
The NDA was lisfted before open beta even.
WArhammer had the most open development of a mmo to date, there is no doubt in this , the youd show your hand if you were not hiding secrets is BS. REally loook at thread on this very site you'll see tons of people saying wow they show us so much , and they did. Mythic showed us at leasy 7 times more than blizz did with the development of their games (however new tech plays some role in this, not 7 times the role tho).
Senerios are not the fastest way to level , they may however, be if you never group. L2 socialize.
He in teir two i have played on 3 servers and normally it takes 1-10 minutes. At peak its most often 0-4 before and after 2-8 and when no ones on 8-11 (3 am).
And like he has any room to talk about sides being overpopulated (wow servers are normally havely populated by one side OR THE OTHER) At least in WAr there is a reason to make new toons on low sides servers 20% exp and renown bonus which is a ton.
Wow's user interface is a copy of daoc -> AC2 and others, there was nothing of great note differnece. So if war stoel this so did wow. (It pretty much the standard mmo ui atm).
"The game stability has been unbelievable and it blows away any other online games" QFT
Seriously, servers are rock hard. I now crash more in wow than in WAR. for the last month in wow the top population servers have been able to raid one night because the severs lag and crash out every night (This is 4 years in, you want to compare games go ahead but be carefulz).
Now you might not like WAR but you have to admit WAr/mythic has gone a much better job releaseing this game, fixing issues, and adressing community concerns (already bumped open rvr to 100% exp) now compare that to blizzard ... it not even close. On this principle alone id rather play war as im sick of dev. screwing the player base becuase they don't giva.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Lets all be honest, you don't have to liek WAR , but most of these claims (of the blizz staff) are simply uneducated claims are that largely false. Some of them i can't sayd becuase well what MJ said to this dude or not , i have no clue. But I beta'ed war and wow for a long time each. Wow's release had nothign i mean nothing on WArs if both games were released at the same time , you would have never even heard of wow. Wow release state was sad, people who played it got two weeks free play becuase it was unplayable for a full two weeks after the release date im saying 95% unplayable most often you sat around doing thing waiting for servers to catch up with your toon and loot.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/09/18/mythic-war-vs-wow/
While MJ may be takign the fight to WoW he is not being nasty while doing it obviously, however, it seems like one if nasty things are said (ie bliz director dude) he not gonna back down. He comments here seem quite weak even he should have said we have a better game etc etc. Oh well you can make accusation then their is reality (join us.)
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
My agenda? I just enjoy the debate. Can we go through some questions?
1. Did elders, the day before launch have an NDA on endgame content? Yes
No, this is false they had an NDA on elder servers not end game content.
2. Do lots of people on this forum and the others complain about everyone being in scenarios and not enough people doing RvR? Yes
Then agian you have a lot of wow/ aoc fanboyz too , one of which claimed his lvl 33 bladeweaver had abd experiences (BW is not a class in WAR).
3. Do lots of people show concern about population imbalances? Yes
Sure, but i have played on both sides being the low pop HELPS you in that sens que faster , there are always people to play with.
4. Out of all the city seiges that have taken place.. have any of them worked? No
How many lvl 40s we got, how equiped are they, do they know the tactics to the fights , etc. Its not supposted to be easy its supposted to be harder then MC was when it was first released.
5. Less than a month after launch, are there players asking for server mergers? Yes
Are they? im not.
And I don't recall what exact question you asked about the top 100 games sales. The point remains that Warhammer has fallen out of the top 100 total games sales. You can say " but only count PC games, don't count preorders and don't count games that begin with letter S"..but the fact remains... Animal Crossing: City Folks sold more boxes than warhammer did last week. Let's log into warhammer and count how many servers right now are at low/low and low/medium.. shall we?
Server populations have steadily decreased since launch. Box sales are now in the Animal Crossing range and we haven't even hitten the first renewal date.
When i geta new game i play it a ton more than a month after, however, i do believe that people have left.
But really, the only reason I'm posting here is because for the past 30 mins, I've been trying to open my ingame mail
HAHA this is funny guess what mail was fixed like the 20ths i realize this was 4 days after you posted , but it just goes to show that Mythic fixes stuff fast. Mail lag no longer a issue, thank you mythic for another quick fix on a standing issue, name another company that has fixed as much as mythic and as fast... U can't.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
My agenda? I just enjoy the debate. Can we go through some questions?
1. Did elders, the day before launch have an NDA on endgame content? Yes
No, this is false they had an NDA on elder servers not end game content.
2. Do lots of people on this forum and the others complain about everyone being in scenarios and not enough people doing RvR? Yes
Then agian you have a lot of wow/ aoc fanboyz too , one of which claimed his lvl 33 bladeweaver had abd experiences (BW is not a class in WAR).
3. Do lots of people show concern about population imbalances? Yes
Sure, but i have played on both sides being the low pop HELPS you in that sens que faster , there are always people to play with.
4. Out of all the city seiges that have taken place.. have any of them worked? No
How many lvl 40s we got, how equiped are they, do they know the tactics to the fights , etc. Its not supposted to be easy its supposted to be harder then MC was when it was first released.
5. Less than a month after launch, are there players asking for server mergers? Yes
Are they? im not.
And I don't recall what exact question you asked about the top 100 games sales. The point remains that Warhammer has fallen out of the top 100 total games sales. You can say " but only count PC games, don't count preorders and don't count games that begin with letter S"..but the fact remains... Animal Crossing: City Folks sold more boxes than warhammer did last week. Let's log into warhammer and count how many servers right now are at low/low and low/medium.. shall we?
Server populations have steadily decreased since launch. Box sales are now in the Animal Crossing range and we haven't even hitten the first renewal date.
When i geta new game i play it a ton more than a month after, however, i do believe that people have left.
But really, the only reason I'm posting here is because for the past 30 mins, I've been trying to open my ingame mail
HAHA this is funny guess what mail was fixed like the 20ths i realize this was 4 days after you posted , but it just goes to show that Mythic fixes stuff fast. Mail lag no longer a issue, thank you mythic for another quick fix on a standing issue, name another company that has fixed as much as mythic and as fast... U can't.
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