You are wrong and you are putting words into my post...DO NOT attempt to read more into MY thread that is there. LET ME BE CLEAR!...This is what my thread IS saying. *Official Forums Breed Hate and Discontent. *Official Forums are Abused by those who have no interest in making the Community better. *Official Forums are NOT needed...You can go to any of a Dozen or more sites with Forums. *Official Forums do nothing more than funnel legitimate players into an Ambush in which Trolls and Fan Bois pick them apart like Vultures on roadkill. This is ALL I am saying!...I know because this is MY THREAD!!!
Just because YOU don't want official forums, DOES NOT mean the majority of us agree.
If you don't like Official Forums there is NOTHING stopping you from not signing up to them or logging in!
If you ask me this here ANTI OFFICIAL FORUM TROLL is a MMORPG.COM FANBOI CONSPIRATOR
P.S. YES this is YOUR THREAD, but WE can also post here and DISAGREE.
p.s.s SPEAKING IN BOLD CAPS IS SOO MUCH FUNFUN!1!1!1
Oh and if you disagree: YOU ARE WRONG!
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I don't care if you disagree with me.
However, don't tell me what my Thread is trying to say. I know what I'm saying. Do not make posts on my thread telling me what I'm trying to say. As for if I am wrong or not...I don't care! This is my opinion. I will respect your veiws and you will respect mine.
What I'm forced to ask is....
...what evidence do you have that not having them won't generate the very same effects and occurances...if not more extreme or of a differing nature?
Honestly, I remember the OG-official forums. Not so bad, imho. Now admittedly they did begin to slide into uselessness farther down the line but I submit to you that that fact isn't endemic of there actually being official forums...but rather that SOE not listening, not giveing feedback, and the state of the game caused a great many of the most vociferous posters to become disinfranchised and to feel alienated. Thus, those who's voice carried truth above simple whine or mud-slinging got buried by the mob of those already angry or just out to drop nukes for no reason.
With non-central forums you have to have information dissemination. That takes time. For feedback to be clearly gained from devs to us or vice-versa also takes more time in such a case. The product then suffers or stands a far better chance of doing so because of the same.
in my opinion, not having the official forums is as counter-productive to the state of a title as you say it is to have them. Moderation is the key here. Ambushes need to be quelled. Everyone gets the equal voice, provided they don't do so in a disruptive manner with the seeming need to merely be disruptive. Fanbois are EVERYWHERE....get over it. Not having an official forums isn't going to get rid of them, either. H*ll, most of them (fanbois and trolls) have little better to do than to seek out any and all sites to ply their trade so it isn't going to matter if it's "official forums" or "affiliate sites".
Those that yearn to be *ssh*ts are going to BE *ssh*ts...regardless of your attempt to spread them out. They''ll site jump or congregate...meaning it won't matter and the only "fix" for anything will be in the area of player feedback and dev feedback becoming dammed by yet another degree of seperation...which will do FAR more damage to the title than a few fanbois if they'd simply get mods and community relations leads that KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING!
Yes, I have anger issues. They taste like chocolate bunnies.
Official Forums are a waste or Resources. I would rather see the developers take that money and add something cool to the game. Something that Really builds Community. 1) player run cities with player housing and shops 2) guild ships, bases, and fortresses 3) social hubs such as player owned clubs, bars, and arenas
Let gamesites like MMORPG.COM take care of the forums. Put that money to better use.
I kinda agree with this. It makes more sense to put that time and money into something that counts. Besides, DEVs need to focus on making the game better. They need to be in game seeing how it all goes down when it's really happening. DEVs don't need some troller telling them bad info just to get a rise out of the fanbois.
I will be very surprised if they don't have official forums. While it does seem to work well for WAR and DAoC, I think the community will demand them. I do agree on a few points. Yes, they do cause problems when not properly MODed (flame wars) and Yes, the time, manpower, and cash could be better spent on ingame items of interest. However, I'm afraid you are stuck with them.
FORUMS ARE A WASTE. PUT THAT $$$ INTO THE GAME!!!!
Official Forums are a waste or Resources. I would rather see the developers take that money and add something cool to the game. Something that Really builds Community. 1) player run cities with player housing and shops 2) guild ships, bases, and fortresses 3) social hubs such as player owned clubs, bars, and arenas
Let gamesites like MMORPG.COM take care of the forums. Put that money to better use.
I kinda agree with this. It makes more sense to put that time and money into something that counts. Besides, DEVs need to focus on making the game better. They need to be in game seeing how it all goes down when it's really happening. DEVs don't need some troller telling them bad info just to get a rise out of the fanbois.
I will be very surprised if they don't have official forums. While it does seem to work well for WAR and DAoC, I think the community will demand them. I do agree on a few points. Yes, they do cause problems when not properly MODed (flame wars) and Yes, the time, manpower, and cash could be better spent on ingame items of interest. However, I'm afraid you are stuck with them.
FORUMS ARE A WASTE. PUT THAT $$$ INTO THE GAME!!!!
regardless, BW / LA will have the forums up and going by COB on the 21st.
PLEASE!!! No "Official" Forums for KOTOR ONLINE!!! This is my plea and I mean it with every fiber of my being, I really hope that Lucas and BiOWARE will not have Official Forums. Nothing tears apart a community faster than the forums. Just look at WoW, AoC, and SWG. You know I'm right!
If you knew anything about the forums and the kinda people they have over there you would change you mind in a heartbeat. Trust me, you don't want to use their forums. Most of the people there don't care about MMOs and do nothing but troll and take people off topic. On top of that Stan pretty much said they were gonna open up MMO forums.
Majority of games have horrible forums....but SWG was different. Their forums were just outstanding...even after the NGE. Hell I knew people who continued to pay a sub even after the NGE just for the forums and refused to log in game but yet enjoyed the forums enough to pay $15 a month. However this doesn't appear to be the case anymore. Now they are just a breeding ground of stupid pre teen (maturity level since some are, sadly, older than they act) sugar high kids repeating the latest internet buzz words (fail, epic, lulz, etc) over and over again while posting pictures we have all seen a thousand times and insulting each other over the smallest things to try to look like someone of importance and authority. I can't even stand to read the forums anymore and it's almost an embarrassment to say I once trolled there.
The MODs make it that way. On the Official forums, the MODs give almost complete freedom to anyone who is pro-SOE. Those folks may attack with impunity ANYONE who is even slightly critical of SOE or SWG. However, if you respond, or continue with your criticism, you WILL be threatened and/or banned. This then leaves the nastiest, most vicious attack dogs from the SOE camp as the only ones left.
That's what you have there now.
This would be a remarkably sad state of affairs, if what you posted was remotely true.
It is a remarkably sad state of affairs, it is completely true, and you know it is.
Majority of games have horrible forums....but SWG was different. Their forums were just outstanding...even after the NGE. Hell I knew people who continued to pay a sub even after the NGE just for the forums and refused to log in game but yet enjoyed the forums enough to pay $15 a month. However this doesn't appear to be the case anymore. Now they are just a breeding ground of stupid pre teen (maturity level since some are, sadly, older than they act) sugar high kids repeating the latest internet buzz words (fail, epic, lulz, etc) over and over again while posting pictures we have all seen a thousand times and insulting each other over the smallest things to try to look like someone of importance and authority. I can't even stand to read the forums anymore and it's almost an embarrassment to say I once trolled there.
The MODs make it that way. On the Official forums, the MODs give almost complete freedom to anyone who is pro-SOE. Those folks may attack with impunity ANYONE who is even slightly critical of SOE or SWG. However, if you respond, or continue with your criticism, you WILL be threatened and/or banned. This then leaves the nastiest, most vicious attack dogs from the SOE camp as the only ones left.
That's what you have there now.
This would be a remarkably sad state of affairs, if what you posted was remotely true.
It is a remarkably sad state of affairs, it is completely true, and you know it is.
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Just because YOU don't want official forums, DOES NOT mean the majority of us agree.
If you don't like Official Forums there is NOTHING stopping you from not signing up to them or logging in!
If you ask me this here ANTI OFFICIAL FORUM TROLL is a MMORPG.COM FANBOI CONSPIRATOR
P.S. YES this is YOUR THREAD, but WE can also post here and DISAGREE.
p.s.s SPEAKING IN BOLD CAPS IS SOO MUCH FUNFUN!1!1!1
Oh and if you disagree: YOU ARE WRONG!
crap I forgot funky colors
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I don't care if you disagree with me.
However, don't tell me what my Thread is trying to say. I know what I'm saying. Do not make posts on my thread telling me what I'm trying to say. As for if I am wrong or not...I don't care! This is my opinion. I will respect your veiws and you will respect mine.
What I'm forced to ask is....
...what evidence do you have that not having them won't generate the very same effects and occurances...if not more extreme or of a differing nature?
Honestly, I remember the OG-official forums. Not so bad, imho. Now admittedly they did begin to slide into uselessness farther down the line but I submit to you that that fact isn't endemic of there actually being official forums...but rather that SOE not listening, not giveing feedback, and the state of the game caused a great many of the most vociferous posters to become disinfranchised and to feel alienated. Thus, those who's voice carried truth above simple whine or mud-slinging got buried by the mob of those already angry or just out to drop nukes for no reason.
With non-central forums you have to have information dissemination. That takes time. For feedback to be clearly gained from devs to us or vice-versa also takes more time in such a case. The product then suffers or stands a far better chance of doing so because of the same.
in my opinion, not having the official forums is as counter-productive to the state of a title as you say it is to have them. Moderation is the key here. Ambushes need to be quelled. Everyone gets the equal voice, provided they don't do so in a disruptive manner with the seeming need to merely be disruptive. Fanbois are EVERYWHERE....get over it. Not having an official forums isn't going to get rid of them, either. H*ll, most of them (fanbois and trolls) have little better to do than to seek out any and all sites to ply their trade so it isn't going to matter if it's "official forums" or "affiliate sites".
Those that yearn to be *ssh*ts are going to BE *ssh*ts...regardless of your attempt to spread them out. They''ll site jump or congregate...meaning it won't matter and the only "fix" for anything will be in the area of player feedback and dev feedback becoming dammed by yet another degree of seperation...which will do FAR more damage to the title than a few fanbois if they'd simply get mods and community relations leads that KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING!
Yes, I have anger issues. They taste like chocolate bunnies.
I kinda agree with this. It makes more sense to put that time and money into something that counts. Besides, DEVs need to focus on making the game better. They need to be in game seeing how it all goes down when it's really happening. DEVs don't need some troller telling them bad info just to get a rise out of the fanbois.
I will be very surprised if they don't have official forums. While it does seem to work well for WAR and DAoC, I think the community will demand them. I do agree on a few points. Yes, they do cause problems when not properly MODed (flame wars) and Yes, the time, manpower, and cash could be better spent on ingame items of interest. However, I'm afraid you are stuck with them.
FORUMS ARE A WASTE. PUT THAT $$$ INTO THE GAME!!!!
I kinda agree with this. It makes more sense to put that time and money into something that counts. Besides, DEVs need to focus on making the game better. They need to be in game seeing how it all goes down when it's really happening. DEVs don't need some troller telling them bad info just to get a rise out of the fanbois.
I will be very surprised if they don't have official forums. While it does seem to work well for WAR and DAoC, I think the community will demand them. I do agree on a few points. Yes, they do cause problems when not properly MODed (flame wars) and Yes, the time, manpower, and cash could be better spent on ingame items of interest. However, I'm afraid you are stuck with them.
FORUMS ARE A WASTE. PUT THAT $$$ INTO THE GAME!!!!
regardless, BW / LA will have the forums up and going by COB on the 21st.
Yep, we will have KOTORMMO Oforums by next weekend.
That may be so, but it doesn't make it right. I still think it's a mistake.
If you knew anything about the forums and the kinda people they have over there you would change you mind in a heartbeat. Trust me, you don't want to use their forums. Most of the people there don't care about MMOs and do nothing but troll and take people off topic. On top of that Stan pretty much said they were gonna open up MMO forums.
The MODs make it that way. On the Official forums, the MODs give almost complete freedom to anyone who is pro-SOE. Those folks may attack with impunity ANYONE who is even slightly critical of SOE or SWG. However, if you respond, or continue with your criticism, you WILL be threatened and/or banned. This then leaves the nastiest, most vicious attack dogs from the SOE camp as the only ones left.
That's what you have there now.
This would be a remarkably sad state of affairs, if what you posted was remotely true.
It is a remarkably sad state of affairs, it is completely true, and you know it is.
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The MODs make it that way. On the Official forums, the MODs give almost complete freedom to anyone who is pro-SOE. Those folks may attack with impunity ANYONE who is even slightly critical of SOE or SWG. However, if you respond, or continue with your criticism, you WILL be threatened and/or banned. This then leaves the nastiest, most vicious attack dogs from the SOE camp as the only ones left.
That's what you have there now.
This would be a remarkably sad state of affairs, if what you posted was remotely true.
It is a remarkably sad state of affairs, it is completely true, and you know it is.
It really is worse than you might think