Originally posted by Azrile My guess is that probably a million or two million people (maybe 5 million even) have bought the box and haven't logged in yet. I therefore implore you not to close down those low population servers.
That is totally unrealistic. I would bet one of my own kidneys that there is not a million people with an unopened box. Where on earth did you get that idea from?
They sent a TOTAL of 1.5 million boxes out to the stores. And not all of those are sold, the last number I saw was 750k, that's half of them.
...great that we have a game that does PVP well and PVE just as good but this title is centered on PVP and unfortunately there is just not enough ppl out that that just want that...
I'm sorry but, this statement has to be corrected. Just because WAR focuses on PvP (with its RvR and Scenarios) doesn't mean it does a good job with PvP. This isn't the type of PvP everyone wanted, its only the kind of PvP that DAoC fans wanted (or thought they wanted).
The RvR is controlled by numbers and the Scenarios are like playing CoD4 or CS:S.
Well, I just can't understand how he said they are the fastest selling MMORPG.. and yet populations are decreasing and they are making plans to close servers. The only explaination is that people bought the box, but haven't played yet.
You literally JUST said the same thing. This WAR vs WoW shit is getting out of hand. Just shut the hell up and play the game you choose. Your opinions don't matter when it comes to bickering. Personally, I could care less if WAR was at 5,000 people or 5,000,000 people. I know I'm not going to meet even a quarter of those people, I just want to find some RvR and kill. Which takes what? 150 people? In a game like this? Cake.
Subscribe to whatever you want. Just don't bitch at us for the choices we make. Play WoW, I don't give a shit.
That's where you make the ultimate error. Azrile doesn't want to get intelligent with you. He wants to "debate". No one has been agile enough to follow what his debate is about, but he manages to irritate everyone in daily basis. GL with reasoning him.
While we are at it, europe is doing fine. Welcome to Eltharion.
EDIT: damned english isn't my mother tongue and consonates escape me...
I just don't know. How can a game with 750k accounts created the first week, then a noticable drop in populations for the next four weeks be a best selling game of all time. Clearly a lot of people bought the box and havent' started playing yet. Ok, maybe 5M is high, but at least 1 or 2 million must have for this to be a best selling game of all time.
No one ever said Best Selling game of all time. Fastest Selling but not best selling and MMO and not game.
World of Warcraft isn't even one of the largest Franchises of all time much less best selling game.
Lineage has sold over 57 million copies of their game. So WoW isn't even the best selling MMO of all time.
In comparison the entire Warcraft series has sold around 19 million boxes that includes Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and expansions plus World of Warcraft and all expansions.
The Sims is by fair the most successful PC centric game of all time. The series have sold over 100million copies making it the third largest video game franchise of all. (Behind Mario and Pokemon).
Also interesting United States Data from 1989 to 2008:
According to Forbes from NPD, the best selling video games of all-time in the United States since 1989 (when NPD began tracking video games) are:
1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004) - 9.4 million
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends Of Rock (2007) - 8.2 million
3. Madden NFL 07 (2006) - 7.7 million
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) - 7.3 million
5. Madden NFL 06 (2005) - 6.7 million
6. Halo 2 (2004) - 6.61 million
7. Madden NFL 08 (2007) - 6.6 million
8. Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - 6.25 million
9. Grand Theft Auto 3 (2001) - 6.2 million
10. Madden NFL 2005 (2004) - 6.1 million
The list, current as of April 2008, includes PC games and counts units sold on all platforms. Guitar Hero III is the video game with the most revenue generated due to it's higher cost. Halo 2 is the only game that has appeared on just one console (Xbox). The GTA series, though exclusive on the PS2, were later ported to the Xbox. Madden takes four of the 10 top spots.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I just don't know. How can a game with 750k accounts created the first week, then a noticable drop in populations for the next four weeks be a best selling game of all time. Clearly a lot of people bought the box and havent' started playing yet. Ok, maybe 5M is high, but at least 1 or 2 million must have for this to be a best selling game of all time.
Its not the BEST selling game its one of the FASTEST selling games - as in units sold per time.
Its like if I can out sprint you for the first 5 seconds of a race and then collapse, its not going to matter if you can keep running for the next 100 hours.
So WAR may have broken a record for that first 5 seconds, but they hit a wall; and unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer.
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Blizzard was running a massive ad campaign to make sure they got every Battle.net player. Which they honestly failed at. Battle.net had something around 10-20million users in the Western Market and blizzard got 2-4 million of them to play.
Failed at? Your comparing boxes sold to sub numbers
Wow has around 5 million subs in europe and america and it was released 4 years ago. No one knows how many boxes they sold but its above 20 millions for sure
I just don't know. How can a game with 750k accounts created the first week, then a noticable drop in populations for the next four weeks be a best selling game of all time. Clearly a lot of people bought the box and havent' started playing yet. Ok, maybe 5M is high, but at least 1 or 2 million must have for this to be a best selling game of all time.
No one ever said Best Selling game of all time. Fastest Selling but not best selling and MMO and not game.
World of Warcraft isn't even one of the largest Franchises of all time much less best selling game.
Lineage has sold over 57 million copies of their game. So WoW isn't even the best selling MMO of all time.
In comparison the entire Warcraft series has sold around 19 million boxes that includes Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and expansions plus World of Warcraft and all expansions.
The Sims is by fair the most successful PC centric game of all time. The series have sold over 100million copies making it the third largest video game franchise of all. (Behind Mario and Pokemon).
Also interesting United States Data from 1989 to 2008:
According to Forbes from NPD, the best selling video games of all-time in the United States since 1989 (when NPD began tracking video games) are:
1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004) - 9.4 million
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends Of Rock (2007) - 8.2 million
3. Madden NFL 07 (2006) - 7.7 million
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) - 7.3 million
5. Madden NFL 06 (2005) - 6.7 million
6. Halo 2 (2004) - 6.61 million
7. Madden NFL 08 (2007) - 6.6 million
8. Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - 6.25 million
9. Grand Theft Auto 3 (2001) - 6.2 million
10. Madden NFL 2005 (2004) - 6.1 million
The list, current as of April 2008, includes PC games and counts units sold on all platforms. Guitar Hero III is the video game with the most revenue generated due to it's higher cost. Halo 2 is the only game that has appeared on just one console (Xbox). The GTA series, though exclusive on the PS2, were later ported to the Xbox. Madden takes four of the 10 top spots.
I consider 19 million units *sold* for Warcraft 1,2,3 *and* World of Warcraft *hgihly* unlikely.
You do realize retention for MMO's isn't exactly the highest right? WoW alone held more than 10 mill concurrent subs at one point. Figure in retention and the number of boxes sold is probably way higher than that, like double or more probably.
Are you sure you're not looking at numbers for US only or stuff like that? (on second read you probably did... what's the point comparing US numbers to worldwide numbers of Lineage?)
I just don't know. How can a game with 750k accounts created the first week, then a noticable drop in populations for the next four weeks be a best selling game of all time. Clearly a lot of people bought the box and havent' started playing yet. Ok, maybe 5M is high, but at least 1 or 2 million must have for this to be a best selling game of all time.
No one ever said Best Selling game of all time. Fastest Selling but not best selling and MMO and not game.
World of Warcraft isn't even one of the largest Franchises of all time much less best selling game.
Lineage has sold over 57 million copies of their game. So WoW isn't even the best selling MMO of all time.
In comparison the entire Warcraft series has sold around 19 million boxes that includes Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and expansions plus World of Warcraft and all expansions.
The Sims is by fair the most successful PC centric game of all time. The series have sold over 100million copies making it the third largest video game franchise of all. (Behind Mario and Pokemon).
Also interesting United States Data from 1989 to 2008:
According to Forbes from NPD, the best selling video games of all-time in the United States since 1989 (when NPD began tracking video games) are:
1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004) - 9.4 million
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends Of Rock (2007) - 8.2 million
3. Madden NFL 07 (2006) - 7.7 million
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) - 7.3 million
5. Madden NFL 06 (2005) - 6.7 million
6. Halo 2 (2004) - 6.61 million
7. Madden NFL 08 (2007) - 6.6 million
8. Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - 6.25 million
9. Grand Theft Auto 3 (2001) - 6.2 million
10. Madden NFL 2005 (2004) - 6.1 million
The list, current as of April 2008, includes PC games and counts units sold on all platforms. Guitar Hero III is the video game with the most revenue generated due to it's higher cost. Halo 2 is the only game that has appeared on just one console (Xbox). The GTA series, though exclusive on the PS2, were later ported to the Xbox. Madden takes four of the 10 top spots.
I consider 19 million units *sold* for Warcraft 1,2,3 *and* World of Warcraft *hgihly* unlikely.
You do realize retention for MMO's isn't exactly the highest right? WoW alone held more than 10 mill concurrent subs at one point. Figure in retention and the number of boxes sold is probably way higher than that, like double or more probably.
Are you sure you're not looking at numbers for US only or stuff like that? (on second read you probably did... what's the point comparing US numbers to worldwide numbers of Lineage?)
Nope that is world wide numbers. World of Warcraft does not sell a lot of boxes outside the US/EU because Asia uses a different system to get the game. For instance in China TBC was Free. So no boxes sold of TBC in China at all. The only thing it might not include is the 3.5 million or so boxes of TBC that sold. But even with that it raises up the number to 22.5 million compared to over 57 million boxes of the Lineage series and over 100 million boxes of The Sims Series.
Sorry but World of Warcraft is not a 20 million+ boxes sold video game. Heck it wasn't even the best selling game in the United States from 1989 to 2008 as shown by my second chart.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Wow, didn't realize wow had such a high retention rate then, that's pretty amazing.
As for the numbers, they still make little sense to me then, or I severely underestimated how much Warcraft 1,2,3 sold over it's history which seems to be in the few millions then tops?
Why does that sound so incredibly low?
Also, while WOW isn't the best selling game, it has been in the top 10 top selling games for 4 years now. I somehow still highly doubt your numbers.
Wow, didn't realize wow had such a high retention rate then, that's pretty amazing.
As for the numbers, they still make little sense to me then, or I severely underestimated how much Warcraft 1,2,3 sold over it's history which seems to be in the few millions then tops?
Why does that sound so incredibly low?
Also, while WOW isn't the best selling game, it has been in the top 10 top selling games for 4 years now. I somehow still highly doubt your numbers.
NPD shows right off the bat that World of Warcraft wasn't a top ten selling game of the past 20 years in the United States. So obviously it doesn't take a lot of sales to maintain being a top 10 selling PC game.
Secondly why can't you get it through your head that in Asian Markets they don't purchase the game. They purchase time and play at Internet Cafes. So there are no real box sales in most Asian countries with World of Warcraft. It is a well known fact that The Burning Crusade was given for Free in China and so will Wrath of the lich King because the Chinese Market doesn't pay for expansions.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Wow, didn't realize wow had such a high retention rate then, that's pretty amazing.
As for the numbers, they still make little sense to me then, or I severely underestimated how much Warcraft 1,2,3 sold over it's history which seems to be in the few millions then tops?
Why does that sound so incredibly low?
Also, while WOW isn't the best selling game, it has been in the top 10 top selling games for 4 years now. I somehow still highly doubt your numbers.
And proven by the NPD numbers either World of Warcraft has had unheard of retention rates in the United States of near 100% of boxes sold (extremely unlikely) or They fudge their numbers.
They state that they have around 2.5 million Subscribers in the United States but yet have sold less then 6 million copies of World of Warcraft in the United States ever. Somehow that doesn't add up. Which makes Blizzard sound fishy, because NPD has no reason to lie about their numbers.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I thought the diablo series was the all time selling pc game.
Nah. It has sold around 18 million copies. So less then Warcraft. It is hard to say for sure because they don't break up The Sims PC and the Sims series on consoles.
But Lineage series is only on PC and it is over 50 million copies.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
The warcraft franshize sold about 14 million copies at the release of WoW, so my estimation would put the series at around 25-30 million. This is hardly a lot compared to the likes of GTA, Zelda, Tetris or god no, Pokemon or Mario series. But than again there are only 4 Warcraft games with 4 x-packs, while other games have up to 20 games in their list(some less some more). GTA is the only one with "few" games.
And WaR's sales can hardly compare with TBC's first day sales of 2,4 million. What I find strange is that sites give TBC sales numbers at around 3 million. This is unusually low, becouse I have yet to meet 10 people who bought WoW and haven't bought the xpack, yet still play.
Also I'd like a link to a site where it says Lineage sold over 50 million copies. I've searched the internet and have found nothing. The best I could find was 20 million on wikipedia(unrelible) and 14 million copies sold for the second title.
The warcraft franshize sold about 14 million copies at the release of WoW, so my estimation would put the series at around 25-30 million. This is hardly a lot compared to the likes of GTA, Zelda, Tetris or god no, Pokemon or Mario series. But than again there are only 4 Warcraft games with 4 x-packs, while other games have up to 20 games in their list(some less some more). GTA is the only one with "few" games. And WaR's sales can hardly compare with TBC's first day sales of 2,4 million. What I find strange is that sites give TBC sales numbers at around 3 million. This is unusually low, becouse I have yet to meet 10 people who bought WoW and haven't bought the xpack, yet still play. Also I'd like a link to a site where it says Lineage sold over 50 million copies. I've searched the internet and have found nothing. The best I could find was 20 million on wikipedia(unrelible) and 14 million copies sold for the second title.
Originally posted by LordAxle You literally JUST said the same thing. This WAR vs WoW shit is getting out of hand. Just shut the hell up and play the game you choose. Your opinions don't matter when it comes to bickering. Personally, I could care less if WAR was at 5,000 people or 5,000,000 people. I know I'm not going to meet even a quarter of those people, I just want to find some RvR and kill. Which takes what? 150 people? In a game like this? Cake. Subscribe to whatever you want. Just don't bitch at us for the choices we make. Play WoW, I don't give a shit.
Well, I just can't understand how he said they are the fastest selling MMORPG.. and yet populations are decreasing and they are making plans to close servers. The only explaination is that people bought the box, but haven't played yet.
Making plans to close servers? Link it or it didn't happen.
I just don't know. How can a game with 750k accounts created the first week, then a noticable drop in populations for the next four weeks be a best selling game of all time. Clearly a lot of people bought the box and havent' started playing yet. Ok, maybe 5M is high, but at least 1 or 2 million must have for this to be a best selling game of all time.
Its not the BEST selling game its one of the FASTEST selling games - as in units sold per time.
Its like if I can out sprint you for the first 5 seconds of a race and then collapse, its not going to matter if you can keep running for the next 100 hours.
So WAR may have broken a record for that first 5 seconds, but they hit a wall; and unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer.
So, the race lasted a little over 30 days -- thats how long WAR has been out for -- Your logic is flawed as I am not sure you can qualify an MMO release as a race and on the one hand say WAR won the sprint but lost the marathon -- when the marathon part of it hasnt even begun for WAR yet -- A little over 30 days dude. That is still a sprint as far as the life expectancy of an MMO. Dont say they lost the marathon portion yet -- it is WAY TOO EARLY TO TELL -- and you know it. Nice try though.
Originally posted by Azrile Well, I just can't understand how he said they are the fastest selling MMORPG.. and yet populations are decreasing and they are making plans to close servers. The only explaination is that people bought the box, but haven't played yet.
Close servers?
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Originally posted by Ixnatifual You do realise Mark Jacobs doesn't personally read your posts? In addition, not everyone who buys the game wants to keep playing it. You can't predict precisely how many people will stay, so better to have extra servers ready, just in case, than being forced to withhold sales while new servers are being put up.
Its interesting, you would think that a site like MMORPG would garnish a little more attention from Devs. I recall Paul Barnett saying "MMORP what, never heard of them." I don't know if he was being factious or not, but it is disappointing to think that this site seems to lack the level of attention some general War fan sites get.
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You do realise Mark Jacobs doesn't personally read your posts? In addition, not everyone who buys the game wants to keep playing it. You can't predict precisely how many people will stay, so better to have extra servers ready, just in case, than being forced to withhold sales while new servers are being put up.
Its interesting, you would think that a site like MMORPG would garnish a little more attention from Devs. I recall Paul Barnett saying "MMORP what, never heard of them." I don't know if he was being factious or not, but it is disappointing to think that this site seems to lack the level of attention some general War fan sites get.
because most of the posts on this site are complete rubbish, trolling, unpleasent whinefests. If I was a dev I would give this place a wide berth
I just don't know. How can a game with 750k accounts created the first week, then a noticable drop in populations for the next four weeks be a best selling game of all time. Clearly a lot of people bought the box and havent' started playing yet. Ok, maybe 5M is high, but at least 1 or 2 million must have for this to be a best selling game of all time.
Its not the BEST selling game its one of the FASTEST selling games - as in units sold per time.
Its like if I can out sprint you for the first 5 seconds of a race and then collapse, its not going to matter if you can keep running for the next 100 hours.
So WAR may have broken a record for that first 5 seconds, but they hit a wall; and unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer.
So, the race lasted a little over 30 days -- thats how long WAR has been out for -- Your logic is flawed as I am not sure you can qualify an MMO release as a race and on the one hand say WAR won the sprint but lost the marathon -- when the marathon part of it hasnt even begun for WAR yet -- A little over 30 days dude. That is still a sprint as far as the life expectancy of an MMO. Dont say they lost the marathon portion yet -- it is WAY TOO EARLY TO TELL -- and you know it. Nice try though.
I guess you read something different. I didnt make any logical reasoning, I just made an analogy. And my last sentence said "the race lasts alot longer"
I dont know if there was a point in replying, maybe to you these words look like sandscrit or something.
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I have a feeling the total number of subscribers will have a major impact after all the free months runs out. And that mythic will be in denial and still talking about how awesome they are doing.
I will see the truth, game needs alot of fixes. Not the usual BUGS and so on, but purely in balance of content and the classes needs to be more variating and fun in the lenghts.
I have no idea how they are going to be able to fix the RvR... It will need a small miracle I think. People are so dead in this game... I never hear people talk even with the Region chat. Scary. I guess this game is very good if played right, thus everyone playing it are boring as hell and makes no effort of anything.
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I just don't know. How can a game with 750k accounts created the first week, then a noticable drop in populations for the next four weeks be a best selling game of all time. Clearly a lot of people bought the box and havent' started playing yet. Ok, maybe 5M is high, but at least 1 or 2 million must have for this to be a best selling game of all time.
Its not the BEST selling game its one of the FASTEST selling games - as in units sold per time.
Its like if I can out sprint you for the first 5 seconds of a race and then collapse, its not going to matter if you can keep running for the next 100 hours.
So WAR may have broken a record for that first 5 seconds, but they hit a wall; and unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer.
So, the race lasted a little over 30 days -- thats how long WAR has been out for -- Your logic is flawed as I am not sure you can qualify an MMO release as a race and on the one hand say WAR won the sprint but lost the marathon -- when the marathon part of it hasnt even begun for WAR yet -- A little over 30 days dude. That is still a sprint as far as the life expectancy of an MMO. Dont say they lost the marathon portion yet -- it is WAY TOO EARLY TO TELL -- and you know it. Nice try though.
I guess you read something different. I didnt make any logical reasoning, I just made an analogy. And my last sentence said "the race lasts alot longer"
I dont know if there was a point in replying, maybe to you these words look like sandscrit or something.
Are you kidding me right now ? At one point you try to paint a negative picture on WAR having a quick and strong release (comparing it to a sprint) and then go on to say unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer. IF THE RACE LASTS LONGER, THEN YOU CANT SAY IT IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW HOW POORLY OR WELL WAR WILL BE DOING DOWN THE ROAD. As of right now, it is too early to tell, other then to say it had strong sales at release. I think I understand exactly what you are implying, and I am sure everyone else does as well. Again, nice try.
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That is totally unrealistic. I would bet one of my own kidneys that there is not a million people with an unopened box. Where on earth did you get that idea from?
They sent a TOTAL of 1.5 million boxes out to the stores. And not all of those are sold, the last number I saw was 750k, that's half of them.
...great that we have a game that does PVP well and PVE just as good but this title is centered on PVP and unfortunately there is just not enough ppl out that that just want that...
I'm sorry but, this statement has to be corrected. Just because WAR focuses on PvP (with its RvR and Scenarios) doesn't mean it does a good job with PvP. This isn't the type of PvP everyone wanted, its only the kind of PvP that DAoC fans wanted (or thought they wanted).
The RvR is controlled by numbers and the Scenarios are like playing CoD4 or CS:S.
This game did not do a good job with PvP.
You literally JUST said the same thing. This WAR vs WoW shit is getting out of hand. Just shut the hell up and play the game you choose. Your opinions don't matter when it comes to bickering. Personally, I could care less if WAR was at 5,000 people or 5,000,000 people. I know I'm not going to meet even a quarter of those people, I just want to find some RvR and kill. Which takes what? 150 people? In a game like this? Cake.
Subscribe to whatever you want. Just don't bitch at us for the choices we make. Play WoW, I don't give a shit.
That's where you make the ultimate error. Azrile doesn't want to get intelligent with you. He wants to "debate". No one has been agile enough to follow what his debate is about, but he manages to irritate everyone in daily basis. GL with reasoning him.
While we are at it, europe is doing fine. Welcome to Eltharion.
EDIT: damned english isn't my mother tongue and consonates escape me...
I was just hoping for an IP perma-ban, but again, hoping is somewhat futile. We could just kill him.
No one ever said Best Selling game of all time. Fastest Selling but not best selling and MMO and not game.
World of Warcraft isn't even one of the largest Franchises of all time much less best selling game.
Lineage has sold over 57 million copies of their game. So WoW isn't even the best selling MMO of all time.
In comparison the entire Warcraft series has sold around 19 million boxes that includes Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and expansions plus World of Warcraft and all expansions.
The Sims is by fair the most successful PC centric game of all time. The series have sold over 100million copies making it the third largest video game franchise of all. (Behind Mario and Pokemon).
Also interesting United States Data from 1989 to 2008:
According to Forbes from NPD, the best selling video games of all-time in the United States since 1989 (when NPD began tracking video games) are:
1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004) - 9.4 million
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends Of Rock (2007) - 8.2 million
3. Madden NFL 07 (2006) - 7.7 million
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) - 7.3 million
5. Madden NFL 06 (2005) - 6.7 million
6. Halo 2 (2004) - 6.61 million
7. Madden NFL 08 (2007) - 6.6 million
8. Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - 6.25 million
9. Grand Theft Auto 3 (2001) - 6.2 million
10. Madden NFL 2005 (2004) - 6.1 million
The list, current as of April 2008, includes PC games and counts units sold on all platforms. Guitar Hero III is the video game with the most revenue generated due to it's higher cost. Halo 2 is the only game that has appeared on just one console (Xbox). The GTA series, though exclusive on the PS2, were later ported to the Xbox. Madden takes four of the 10 top spots.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Its not the BEST selling game its one of the FASTEST selling games - as in units sold per time.
Its like if I can out sprint you for the first 5 seconds of a race and then collapse, its not going to matter if you can keep running for the next 100 hours.
So WAR may have broken a record for that first 5 seconds, but they hit a wall; and unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer.
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"Everything is awesome. Fundamentally."
Failed at? Your comparing boxes sold to sub numbers
Wow has around 5 million subs in europe and america and it was released 4 years ago. No one knows how many boxes they sold but its above 20 millions for sure
No one ever said Best Selling game of all time. Fastest Selling but not best selling and MMO and not game.
World of Warcraft isn't even one of the largest Franchises of all time much less best selling game.
Lineage has sold over 57 million copies of their game. So WoW isn't even the best selling MMO of all time.
In comparison the entire Warcraft series has sold around 19 million boxes that includes Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and expansions plus World of Warcraft and all expansions.
The Sims is by fair the most successful PC centric game of all time. The series have sold over 100million copies making it the third largest video game franchise of all. (Behind Mario and Pokemon).
Also interesting United States Data from 1989 to 2008:
According to Forbes from NPD, the best selling video games of all-time in the United States since 1989 (when NPD began tracking video games) are:
1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004) - 9.4 million
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends Of Rock (2007) - 8.2 million
3. Madden NFL 07 (2006) - 7.7 million
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) - 7.3 million
5. Madden NFL 06 (2005) - 6.7 million
6. Halo 2 (2004) - 6.61 million
7. Madden NFL 08 (2007) - 6.6 million
8. Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - 6.25 million
9. Grand Theft Auto 3 (2001) - 6.2 million
10. Madden NFL 2005 (2004) - 6.1 million
The list, current as of April 2008, includes PC games and counts units sold on all platforms. Guitar Hero III is the video game with the most revenue generated due to it's higher cost. Halo 2 is the only game that has appeared on just one console (Xbox). The GTA series, though exclusive on the PS2, were later ported to the Xbox. Madden takes four of the 10 top spots.
I consider 19 million units *sold* for Warcraft 1,2,3 *and* World of Warcraft *hgihly* unlikely.
You do realize retention for MMO's isn't exactly the highest right? WoW alone held more than 10 mill concurrent subs at one point. Figure in retention and the number of boxes sold is probably way higher than that, like double or more probably.
Are you sure you're not looking at numbers for US only or stuff like that? (on second read you probably did... what's the point comparing US numbers to worldwide numbers of Lineage?)
No one ever said Best Selling game of all time. Fastest Selling but not best selling and MMO and not game.
World of Warcraft isn't even one of the largest Franchises of all time much less best selling game.
Lineage has sold over 57 million copies of their game. So WoW isn't even the best selling MMO of all time.
In comparison the entire Warcraft series has sold around 19 million boxes that includes Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and expansions plus World of Warcraft and all expansions.
The Sims is by fair the most successful PC centric game of all time. The series have sold over 100million copies making it the third largest video game franchise of all. (Behind Mario and Pokemon).
Also interesting United States Data from 1989 to 2008:
According to Forbes from NPD, the best selling video games of all-time in the United States since 1989 (when NPD began tracking video games) are:
1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004) - 9.4 million
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends Of Rock (2007) - 8.2 million
3. Madden NFL 07 (2006) - 7.7 million
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) - 7.3 million
5. Madden NFL 06 (2005) - 6.7 million
6. Halo 2 (2004) - 6.61 million
7. Madden NFL 08 (2007) - 6.6 million
8. Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - 6.25 million
9. Grand Theft Auto 3 (2001) - 6.2 million
10. Madden NFL 2005 (2004) - 6.1 million
The list, current as of April 2008, includes PC games and counts units sold on all platforms. Guitar Hero III is the video game with the most revenue generated due to it's higher cost. Halo 2 is the only game that has appeared on just one console (Xbox). The GTA series, though exclusive on the PS2, were later ported to the Xbox. Madden takes four of the 10 top spots.
I consider 19 million units *sold* for Warcraft 1,2,3 *and* World of Warcraft *hgihly* unlikely.
You do realize retention for MMO's isn't exactly the highest right? WoW alone held more than 10 mill concurrent subs at one point. Figure in retention and the number of boxes sold is probably way higher than that, like double or more probably.
Are you sure you're not looking at numbers for US only or stuff like that? (on second read you probably did... what's the point comparing US numbers to worldwide numbers of Lineage?)
Nope that is world wide numbers. World of Warcraft does not sell a lot of boxes outside the US/EU because Asia uses a different system to get the game. For instance in China TBC was Free. So no boxes sold of TBC in China at all. The only thing it might not include is the 3.5 million or so boxes of TBC that sold. But even with that it raises up the number to 22.5 million compared to over 57 million boxes of the Lineage series and over 100 million boxes of The Sims Series.
Sorry but World of Warcraft is not a 20 million+ boxes sold video game. Heck it wasn't even the best selling game in the United States from 1989 to 2008 as shown by my second chart.
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Wow, didn't realize wow had such a high retention rate then, that's pretty amazing.
As for the numbers, they still make little sense to me then, or I severely underestimated how much Warcraft 1,2,3 sold over it's history which seems to be in the few millions then tops?
Why does that sound so incredibly low?
Also, while WOW isn't the best selling game, it has been in the top 10 top selling games for 4 years now. I somehow still highly doubt your numbers.
NPD shows right off the bat that World of Warcraft wasn't a top ten selling game of the past 20 years in the United States. So obviously it doesn't take a lot of sales to maintain being a top 10 selling PC game.
Secondly why can't you get it through your head that in Asian Markets they don't purchase the game. They purchase time and play at Internet Cafes. So there are no real box sales in most Asian countries with World of Warcraft. It is a well known fact that The Burning Crusade was given for Free in China and so will Wrath of the lich King because the Chinese Market doesn't pay for expansions.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
And proven by the NPD numbers either World of Warcraft has had unheard of retention rates in the United States of near 100% of boxes sold (extremely unlikely) or They fudge their numbers.
They state that they have around 2.5 million Subscribers in the United States but yet have sold less then 6 million copies of World of Warcraft in the United States ever. Somehow that doesn't add up. Which makes Blizzard sound fishy, because NPD has no reason to lie about their numbers.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I thought the diablo series was the all time selling pc game.
Nah. It has sold around 18 million copies. So less then Warcraft. It is hard to say for sure because they don't break up The Sims PC and the Sims series on consoles.
But Lineage series is only on PC and it is over 50 million copies.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
The warcraft franshize sold about 14 million copies at the release of WoW, so my estimation would put the series at around 25-30 million. This is hardly a lot compared to the likes of GTA, Zelda, Tetris or god no, Pokemon or Mario series. But than again there are only 4 Warcraft games with 4 x-packs, while other games have up to 20 games in their list(some less some more). GTA is the only one with "few" games.
And WaR's sales can hardly compare with TBC's first day sales of 2,4 million. What I find strange is that sites give TBC sales numbers at around 3 million. This is unusually low, becouse I have yet to meet 10 people who bought WoW and haven't bought the xpack, yet still play.
Also I'd like a link to a site where it says Lineage sold over 50 million copies. I've searched the internet and have found nothing. The best I could find was 20 million on wikipedia(unrelible) and 14 million copies sold for the second title.
Here is a list from 2006:
www.forbes.com/2006/08/02/bestselling-video-games-cx_de_0802mario.html
That shows Lineage at 57 million.
According to Vivendi as of 2006:
Warcraft from Blizzard (owned -- over 19MM units sold since 1996)
Also according to Vivendi in 2006:
Crash Bandicoot from Sierra (owned -- over 34MM units sold since 1995)
That makes Crash Bandicoot their highest selling franchise by far.
Edit - I would love to see proof of 14 million before WoW launched for Warcraft.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
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Making plans to close servers? Link it or it didn't happen.
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I stand corrected. And I blame the crazy koreans "/
As for proof: eu.blizzard.com/en/press/041202.html
Scroll down to About the Warcraft Universe. It's there.
Its not the BEST selling game its one of the FASTEST selling games - as in units sold per time.
Its like if I can out sprint you for the first 5 seconds of a race and then collapse, its not going to matter if you can keep running for the next 100 hours.
So WAR may have broken a record for that first 5 seconds, but they hit a wall; and unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer.
So, the race lasted a little over 30 days -- thats how long WAR has been out for -- Your logic is flawed as I am not sure you can qualify an MMO release as a race and on the one hand say WAR won the sprint but lost the marathon -- when the marathon part of it hasnt even begun for WAR yet -- A little over 30 days dude. That is still a sprint as far as the life expectancy of an MMO. Dont say they lost the marathon portion yet -- it is WAY TOO EARLY TO TELL -- and you know it. Nice try though.
Close servers?
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Its interesting, you would think that a site like MMORPG would garnish a little more attention from Devs. I recall Paul Barnett saying "MMORP what, never heard of them." I don't know if he was being factious or not, but it is disappointing to think that this site seems to lack the level of attention some general War fan sites get.
The Old Timers Guild
Laid back, not so serious, no drama.
All about the fun!
www.oldtimersguild.com
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. - Jef Mallett
Its interesting, you would think that a site like MMORPG would garnish a little more attention from Devs. I recall Paul Barnett saying "MMORP what, never heard of them." I don't know if he was being factious or not, but it is disappointing to think that this site seems to lack the level of attention some general War fan sites get.
because most of the posts on this site are complete rubbish, trolling, unpleasent whinefests. If I was a dev I would give this place a wide berth
Its not the BEST selling game its one of the FASTEST selling games - as in units sold per time.
Its like if I can out sprint you for the first 5 seconds of a race and then collapse, its not going to matter if you can keep running for the next 100 hours.
So WAR may have broken a record for that first 5 seconds, but they hit a wall; and unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer.
So, the race lasted a little over 30 days -- thats how long WAR has been out for -- Your logic is flawed as I am not sure you can qualify an MMO release as a race and on the one hand say WAR won the sprint but lost the marathon -- when the marathon part of it hasnt even begun for WAR yet -- A little over 30 days dude. That is still a sprint as far as the life expectancy of an MMO. Dont say they lost the marathon portion yet -- it is WAY TOO EARLY TO TELL -- and you know it. Nice try though.
I guess you read something different. I didnt make any logical reasoning, I just made an analogy. And my last sentence said "the race lasts alot longer"
I dont know if there was a point in replying, maybe to you these words look like sandscrit or something.
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I have a feeling the total number of subscribers will have a major impact after all the free months runs out. And that mythic will be in denial and still talking about how awesome they are doing.
I will see the truth, game needs alot of fixes. Not the usual BUGS and so on, but purely in balance of content and the classes needs to be more variating and fun in the lenghts.
I have no idea how they are going to be able to fix the RvR... It will need a small miracle I think. People are so dead in this game... I never hear people talk even with the Region chat. Scary. I guess this game is very good if played right, thus everyone playing it are boring as hell and makes no effort of anything.
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Its not the BEST selling game its one of the FASTEST selling games - as in units sold per time.
Its like if I can out sprint you for the first 5 seconds of a race and then collapse, its not going to matter if you can keep running for the next 100 hours.
So WAR may have broken a record for that first 5 seconds, but they hit a wall; and unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer.
So, the race lasted a little over 30 days -- thats how long WAR has been out for -- Your logic is flawed as I am not sure you can qualify an MMO release as a race and on the one hand say WAR won the sprint but lost the marathon -- when the marathon part of it hasnt even begun for WAR yet -- A little over 30 days dude. That is still a sprint as far as the life expectancy of an MMO. Dont say they lost the marathon portion yet -- it is WAY TOO EARLY TO TELL -- and you know it. Nice try though.
I guess you read something different. I didnt make any logical reasoning, I just made an analogy. And my last sentence said "the race lasts alot longer"
I dont know if there was a point in replying, maybe to you these words look like sandscrit or something.
Are you kidding me right now ? At one point you try to paint a negative picture on WAR having a quick and strong release (comparing it to a sprint) and then go on to say unfortunately for them the race lasts alot longer. IF THE RACE LASTS LONGER, THEN YOU CANT SAY IT IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW HOW POORLY OR WELL WAR WILL BE DOING DOWN THE ROAD. As of right now, it is too early to tell, other then to say it had strong sales at release. I think I understand exactly what you are implying, and I am sure everyone else does as well. Again, nice try.