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Why people should not be complaining about Warhammer.
Amistad3000
Member Posts: 30
It has come to my attention that the Warhammer forums are overpopulated with "10 reasons why I hate Warhammer" topics. Now, I understand that you have your right to voice your opinion about the game but I have not seen one post where anyone understands WHY this game isn't 100% non-bugged. This game just came out of course it's going to be bugged and they are going to have a lot of updates still! Also, people who have played WoW who dare to talk about how bugged Warhammer is don't take into consideration all of the huge updates WoW goes through just to keep players happy and to fix in-game issues. Give Warhammer another month or so and you will see it will have almost half as many members as WoW and will have better abilities, characters, PvP, etc. 
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This is 2008, there's no reason why games should be released bugged, especially after a year of beta testing.
If I bought a washing machine and it was bugged I would get refund, whats the difference?
The people who are in favor of War are in the game Enjoying it, and thoes that are not enjoying it tend to be more vocal.
The game does have its problems but nothing like i have seen in other MMO's. Some come to mind like AC2 when it was first out there there was a bug that if you loged in... you would have a chance of clearing your Toon. So all and all the game is bette then most on the bugs.
The Difference is expetion of service, an MMO you expect it to have some bugs becues its a complex system of Code, a washing machine is a System that has been out longer then a single Computer game.
People bought the game so they can complain if they like.
Why shouldn't people complain about Warhammer or any other game for that matter. We actually have to pay for these games and monthly fees to boot, so if something doesn't work like it should then by all means people will voice their opinions. I feel sorry for the folks who accept mediocrity and defend it vigorously.
I dont know about better abilities, characters pve etc, but even if i give it a year and not some months strongly doubt it will ever have more than 30% of wow's population. And this is not because warhammer is bad , it is actually probably one of the best mmorpgs made since wow was released, rather to the fac tthat pvp centric mmorpgs simply never achieve same success as thier pve cousins.
in fact if warhammer retains 1/10 of wows subs, mythic will be pretty happy. For good or bad reasons, without even being blizzards intention, wow become, in western world settings, more a social phenomenon than an mmorpg ( and that is one of the bg reasons why most attempts to emulate wow fail big time.
The Difference is expetion of service, an MMO you expect it to have some bugs becues its a complex system of Code, a washing machine is a System that has been out longer then a single Computer game.
I don't agree with that at all, peoples low expectations are what allows companies to release games that really are unfinished. I'm not saying WAR is not finished but not properly debugging games basically just comes down to cost cutting and trying to do things on the cheap.
Maybe some small bugs are acceptable as long they only have a very minimal effect on the user experience, in which case there would not be a lot of people complaining. When you see people complaining about a large variety of issues that are having a major effect on their enjoyment, CTD's for instance, then that should not be acceptable.
they can complain all they like, its up to them. we don't have to listen, some people just choose to. live and let live really.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
It is unreasonable to tell people they shouldn't be speaking what they believe.
OP: If you don't like what people say, don't read the boards.
Ya, its 2008 but tell me ONE online game that never came out with a few bugs or needed a few updates.
I can GAURUNTEE you that when the expansion for WoW comes out there will be bugs...there still are..
Washing machines have been around for more then a year...when they do testing of a game they don't have over 750,000 users playing (like they do now) and they've updated things since beta. So they WILL have bugs and tons of other different issues. Even with constantly adding more and more things every few days (if you haven't read the Herald lately)
The Difference is expetion of service, an MMO you expect it to have some bugs becues its a complex system of Code, a washing machine is a System that has been out longer then a single Computer game.
I don't agree with that at all, peoples low expectations are what allows companies to release games that really are unfinished. I'm not saying WAR is not finished but not properly debugging games basically just comes down to cost cutting and trying to do things on the cheap.
Maybe some small bugs are acceptable as long they only have a very minimal effect on the user experience, in which case there would not be a lot of people complaining. When you see people complaining about a large variety of issues that are having a major effect on their enjoyment, CTD's for instance, then that should not be acceptable.
Yes thats ture that companies should be puting there subscribers first and put out a game that is low bug, but puting out a bug free game is amost imposable, EA is Notorious about puting out half finished games and games that need to be patched befor you even start the game. and you are right we should expect better games, but We are not a united front and we can easly be distracted and should demand better games.
They can complain about it, but the things that people complain about are just ridiculous. People with crappy computers are saying that WAR lags and they come up with these crazy assumptions that there are either more ORder in one server than Destruction so gameplay is always unfair, which is never the case if they've looked at the population of the server they are in. Or that the classes are not equal, they just don't know how to play. There are tons of other ridiculous things that they complain about that should not be complained about.
This is probably the most sensible post I have seen in a long time relating to either WoW or WAR. Blizzard wasn't trying to make a smash hit, they just wanted a title on the table to compete with the others. Now that WoW has this huge population, it's reached "critical mass" and is no longer fueling subscriptions based purely on content. Rather, a large majority of people playing it are doing so simply because a large majority of people are playing it. No game can compete with that, no matter how hard they try. It's one of those things that happens by accident, like any other fad.
Mythic would be (and should be) perfectly happy with even a half million subs, and that should be more than enough to sustain profitability and plenty of updates.
Here is a link to a thread where someone gives reasons why they hate warhammer but they are ridiculous reasons.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/207868
And here is a sensible post about warhammer.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/208129
The Difference is expetion of service, an MMO you expect it to have some bugs becues its a complex system of Code, a washing machine is a System that has been out longer then a single Computer game.
I don't agree with that at all, peoples low expectations are what allows companies to release games that really are unfinished. I'm not saying WAR is not finished but not properly debugging games basically just comes down to cost cutting and trying to do things on the cheap.
Maybe some small bugs are acceptable as long they only have a very minimal effect on the user experience, in which case there would not be a lot of people complaining. When you see people complaining about a large variety of issues that are having a major effect on their enjoyment, CTD's for instance, then that should not be acceptable.
You demonstrate a complete ignorance of just how complicated software code and hardware compatability is. Take those two considerations and then throw into the mix the human element of the end user, who will often try things and find themselves in places others have not tried, and you have an impossible task ahead of you. This is ignoring the unimaginable combinations of hardware that make up modern PC's.
I still think it amazing that the modern PC works at all, let alone run something as demanding and complex as a virtual world full of other users, millions of database items, thousands of interactions and all communicating across a vast global network of copper and fibre.
A washing machine is a UNIVERSE away from this, and so your analogy is absurd, in the extreme.
You're right.
I am now officially complaining about people who complains about people complaining about Warhammer.
See ? I can do that too.
But I didn't do that. So whats your point?
You are just making excuses for shoddy development practices.
Issues are supposed to be identified in beta and in most cases probably are.
However developers just go ahead and release anyway because they don't want to spend the time fixing them, they are under pressure to release by a certain date and will release regardless.
They know very well what a lot of these problems are before people have spent money on the game.
It is no different any other product, it is not a universe away from my example at all. A washing machine manufacturer may know a certain companant will fail after x time in y amount of cases after running testing. A good manufacturer will address the issue before it goes into mass production.
You should paste that into word document and keep it with you at all times. When 2020 gets here, you can just change the date and be ready to post your whiney comment.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
That's brilliant. I've never seen that argument before. You've changed my whole outlook on calling bullshit on people.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
You should paste that into word document and keep it with you at all times. When 2020 gets here, you can just change the date and be ready to post your whiney comment.
Well if people keep buying unfinished software then yes I will have to do that.
Personally I do not buy games that are reported to have a large amount of bugs and I would like to think that other people do the same, sadly they don't.
Not everyone is complaining about bugs and glitches. Quite a few people are actually complaining about missing features such as the ability to chat to people properly (which has been fixed now......but it should never have been missed out in the first place), population issues, balance issues, crap crafting options, linear game design, empty RvR areas in a game that is meant to be about RvR, scenarios pulling all the level grinders out of the RvR areas, repetitive and uninspiring PvE content that is actually worse than WoWs PvE, too many servers which leads to low populations, boring gear that all looks the same, simplistic game mechanics etc etc.
Basicly for a game that so heavily mimics WoW its surprising that anything is missing at all. Afterall surely as everything in WAR has pretty much been done already with a few twists added (PQ's and keep battles) then it should be released in a state of perfection. Its not like they had to create a completely new type of game is it. All they did was take what WoW has already done, updated the graphics and added some RvR objectives so players can have a bit more of a reason to squabble with each other. The PvP aspect was already in WoW anyway so Mythic havent done anything new here. Hell they even copied WoWs battlegrounds which totally defeats the point of WAR being an RvR game. Otherwise its still pretty much the same level grinding game we have all seen before.
Give Warhammer another month? Dont you mean another 2 months when they add 2 of the classes to the game that were missing at launch? Who knows when they will add the other two classes in or the 4 main cities that were also missing. Maybe in a year from now the game might actually get finished......well thats assuming that enough players are willing to continue paying to beta test Mythics product for them. I know I certainly wont be as my subscription runs out in a week and so far my experience with the game has been a very uninspired one. Sorry but its just way too boring for me. I need something a bit more stimulating. I dont mind supporting a company that is trying to make a really innovative and interesting product but Mythic is just making WoW 2 with better PvP options and I dont see any point in encouraging games like that to succeed. I want to see games companies making decent mmos so my money wont be filling Mythics treasury.
You should paste that into word document and keep it with you at all times. When 2020 gets here, you can just change the date and be ready to post your whiney comment.
Well if people keep buying unfinished software then yes I will have to do that.
Personally I do not buy games that are reported to have a large amount of bugs and I would like to think that other people do the same, sadly they don't.
OK, well you keep waiting for the flawless release and perfect game. I got news though. Games developement is only going to continue to get more complex and the variables will just keep increasing. So , have fun not gaming.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
You're funny... bugs ALWAYS occur. ALWAYS. Its a law of programming. MMOs in particular due to the difficulty involved in creating them and the amount of calculations they have to do.
I don't play Warhammer, but I can appreciate how smooth the launch was. The past several games to release had absolutely terrible buggy launches (looking at you Age of Conan). Even precious WoW had a fairly bad launch. A good launch is the exception, not the rule. And given that, the only game I've seen with a near flawless launch was Lord of the Rings Online and Dark Age of Camelot.
But hey look at that, Mythic made DAoC, very smooth launch, just like Warhammer. Anyone who expects a flawless launch of any PC game, much less an MMO, is a fool.
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