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solo players, solo groupers in scenarios need to be changed
Napocalypse
Member Posts: 83
amongst other things, them KSing groups and taking the majority of the reknown. And not being in group sharing group tactics, buffs etc, ina group based objectives based scenario...well it is ridiculous. They should NOT allow soloers in scenarios ever.
you think you are such a badass where you can solo? go and play ina rvr lake and get out of the scenario and leeching off the players that are working together to win the objective, while you sit behind and snipe kills that you do not deserve.
as a healer, on my alt, i will never ever heal a solo player. screw that
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sometimes the system put me in a group automatically, sometimes it put me without one. *shrugs*
If there are two full groups and you enter the scenario, you will AUTOMATICALLY be in a group by yourself... no choice. I've had it happen to me. It actually hurts the solo person by not getting the benefit of the buffs or healing from a group mate.
Not healing someone because they're not in a group... why even bother being a healer? You're only hurting yourself and your side by not healing.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
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no bc 99% of the time people who solo do so to try and be badasses adn get more reknown. and if the game starts youi in solo.. shrug no clue what to to tell you. but you can change to group where there is spot in case they put you as a solo player.. and there more often than not is room in groups bc of players soloing
i played a zealot and sometimes the groups were full, there was no way for me to group. i still helped with the healing, but it's harder since the AoE healing spells won't heal. I could only use my single target spells.
As a Swordmaster I have to disagree entirely. I want to own a battle. Kill everything. Get the prize. Screw the groupers. If they cant keep up then thats there loss. Now if I see a soloist literally sniping... THAT makes my blood boil and I have a few tricks up my sleeve. YOU CAN transfer aggro to someone else. Just dont get caught doing it !
The GM's got a little uppity when I kept tranfering aggro to a Shadow Warrior I disliked.
Truth be told though most of the time I prefer to group though.
Its just that some nights you don't want to deal with twaddling twit healers who keep making mistakes so you go in and just massacre the enemies on your own.
Edit: Err that came off oddly snide.. Ok, I just wanted to clarify I didn't mean in any way the OP was a twit. I just was referring to a situation I run into sometime. OH and I always come to the defense of the groups if they need it. I just find I can kill most enemies on my own faster then the groups can. Swordmasters are amazing when it comes to doing mass damage.
I know, hate those too. When I play a healer I do have a easy sulotion. I never heal them. Even if they jump and down in front of me and begging, I don't cast a single heal on them.
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I couldn't agree more,
It is also greatly ironic that the OP calls out other players about there ingame behaviour, then states clear as day that he/she is no better in any way by mentioning that he will not heal players he decides are not playing by his specific set of standards.
Absolutely ridiculous.
The type of person you are is the single biggest reason i didn't resub and quit the game totally. There has been many times i would jump into a scenerio solo. I knew what my job was as a maurarder and there has been many times i saved the healer from getting destroyed and all i got in return was a selfish healer who didn't heal me and watched me get mauled.
The whole point of the grouping system in WAR is to be able to not get left out of any content because someone wasn't able to yet join a guild or find a group in that particular play session. So by being able to join up and particiapate in a scenerio solo, doesn't mean that person in not doing their job and mooching reknown off everyone else.
I can't count how may times i jumped into a second stage of a PQ solo and ended up with placing 1st. and winning a purple or blue bag. I would say though, i was always invited to the group pretty quickly and all seemed fine after that.
So, yes you have some WOW heads, that will try and do as little as possible for points, but i do beileve most are just trying to learn and play the game and have fun. So by not healing, makes you look even worse than those you are complaining about.
Its actually a weird bug when you get put into a group by yourself. By default if two pre built groups are selected for the same scenario people not in those gruops tend to get shoved in the 'third party'. To join one of the other parties you have to click the white flag next to the mini map wait for a Reserved spot to open up leave the party slot your in and join the party with an open slot. Its been like that since beta. It sucks but then i Never go pugging in Scenarios if I can help it since to be honest Pugs in Scenarios often Suck. Pug groups tend to have atleast 2 to 3 people that only care about killing & dps and not actually winning the scenario which sucks. You get more xp / renown for winning with the full 500 points. BTW I hope you people keep soloing (not the people stuck solo but the ones who run off without the rest of the group thinking that swatting your sword around does anything against 6 - 12 people who are waiting for you lol) you make for the easiest kills in Scenarios
i will heal the players in my group (btw as a healer it is way easier to heal people grouped or in your own group) and i will hael my own group and get more contribution, group buffs etc than som1 who is all for themselves and can care less about the win.
and yes, i will continue not healing solo player until they learn to play in a group. If they think they are that great go solo in rvr lake and get raped.
A few thoughts to the OP:
--If the solo guy is there, helping your side win the battle and doing his job and you are the one not healing him, whos being the ass?
--If you lose because you didn't heal the solo guy, whos fault is it, the solo guys or the healer?
--I solo as a healer, does that mean I shouldn't heal those groups I keep seeing where they don't even have thier own healers? By your rules I should only heal my group (which is just me...)
--This is WARhammer, not GROUPhammer, when in WAR you don't always get to pick those watching your back, but you do expect them to do thier job.... At least I expect those I am watching out for to watch out for me.
I will say though that solo turds who charge off and don't try to work with thier team don't probably deserve a heal. But if they are working with the team, why not help them?
edit: we might not be talking about the same thing here so I thought I would try to clear that up, I am talking about those that sign up and join scenario queues solo. But when the scenario starts are put into a group. Not those that seem to have thier own 1 man group in the scenario. Though most of my points apply to them too.
well you should be ina group: group buffs, heals etc..tend to help more than hurt.
my main is a sorc, i got 25% chance on my hit to give all group a 20% damage boost, and morale 2 skill is -20% damage taken for 10 seconds.
now why in the world should ANY sorc be solo with those skills available?
and healers with group heals and buffs, or anyone they should group always. 20% x6 =120% which is basically a extra man in the group. tell me that i should solo... I could and get more reknown but why bother when i can help win the scenario and more often than not help out a group instead of just myself. The point is these players are selfish and should not get healed at all.. and more-so should not even be allowed to solo. Mythic needs to change the solo player aspect of a group/team scenario. make it not allowed.
Do you understand that sometimes it happens because that person is the odd number in the scenario and can NOT get into a group??
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
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We are talking about different things. I was talking about those that sign up solo for scenarios, but are still part of one of the 2 groups. I can see your point on the solo guys...
I really should see what the renown difference is in a single group. I haven't noticed anyone getting more renown than me in most scenarios with my SW and he's always part of a group. The solo guys usually don't come close to me in renown...
lol dude i am not talking about the person who ends up being the odd man out, please learn to read. it is the people who solo, who join and PURPOSEFULLY solo.
that is to jonmichael not you george99
It's a flaw of the game in that it gives certain classes an xp and rp boost when they are not grouping / working together in the most optimal way.
Scenario's are a group thing. It's about people working together and trying to fill in their own roll to the best extent. If your roll is dps and you get to do alot of damage and kill alot of players, that doesn't mean you have to be an egocentric shithead about it because without the group meatshielding for you or while being truly solo you would just be serial ganked and gain nothing at all.
But humans are opportunistic and some wouldn't hesitate for a sec to screw the group over for personal gain. Such is life. So we can only hope for Mythic to put an end to it soon.
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You guys are mistaken what is being said here.
I seen this before.
We aren't talking about someone in a party by himself.. cause the experience is shared with the warband.
I seen a BW get 3-4K more experience above average because he "LEFT THE SCENARIO GROUP" you have to actually do that manually.. not a single party but left the entire scenario group.
this means.. that if he is specced AOE.. he will start targeting mobs.. and get more experience for thier kills and drain the experience of the rest of the whole warband in the scenario.
I notice DPS classers do this allow cause it distributed acording to DPS done. Its a way of leeching experience off others.
if he was in a party his experience would be shared more evenly. he gets 25% more experience it seems when he goes SOLO. Its a cheap tactic that they do to leech as much experience as he can.
If this tactic is being done.. i see NOTHING wrong with not healing him. if he si taking away frmo the party.. and other players.. he deserves nothing.. who cares if he is helping damage. he is also HURTING our side cause his BUFFS can give more passive damage to everyone else (shield and flame of eriun)
AND he is harder to target heal cause he has tobe selected manually by healers.
he does nothing but hurt the group.
He deserves to get NOTHING.
Ohh .. so you go solo .. cause you want more experience for your damage while you still mingle with th eother group for protection.
I garantee if you run in solo in a destro group you will die before you can kill them.
Wow you are one of those asshats that exploit the system. Want to be SOLO yet fight next to a group you are stealing from. So noble.
*sigh*
I fail to realize what oyu mean by transfer aggro.. We are dealing with other players. how can you force a nother player to AGGRO a shaddow warrior? .. you are full of it. Explain please
Actually it really doesnt matter in most cases, some of these solo'ers will be in your group, and will avoid staying with the party, but still go off on their own, also what about all the not so bright healers who try to do damage? the WP can do some, but when I see a healer do way more damage in a close fight, I have more problems with that as usually I am dead several times over, forget about someone soloing. cant do a thing if your feeding the worms every other minute.
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Hmm .. didn't realize that if they left the 2 defined groups intentionally they'd reap rewards for it..dirty B***** i'll be reporting the next one i see doing that intentionally. It must be rare though I play scenarios 2 or 3 times a night between other events and since I'm rarely in a pug group I never see it happening. I'm sure it does though and hopefuly this is a fix they're working on.
People who leech in scenarios suck. You can't really call it leeching in the lakes the whole poitn of lakesis to participate whether in group or out of group...of course in the lakes if you didnt' tag it all you get is some RP and its not nearly as much if your not in the warband / group.
Yea.. next time you are in a scenario.. wait about 2 minutes.. then go to the party view.. and click the button that says "view solo players"
that will show all the players that left EVERY PARTY and is on thier own . Fighting side by side with the group.. but drainging more Experience and Renown cause he is by himself.
so are you reporting something that Mythic designed on purpose? It's not the players fault. And even if I go to a scenario and want to be grouped, sometimes the system automatically put you in an empty group slot by yourself because the other slots are full.