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Does anyone know, if you are required to grind PVE to PVP in WAR?
Rictis
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Hello Everyone,
Gestalt recently posted a forum link, within that link was this link
http://www.warherald.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=397
I would like to open a discussion about this, and see what people think. I know for a fact if Mythic forces me to PVE grind just so I can play in RVR, then they will loose my sub. I want to play war for RVR and sieging. However I dont feel I should be forced to get a thousand and 1 different armor sets just to be able to pvp.
Please post your opinions about this, and try to keep the flaming down.
*edit* i forgot to add (other) please post your response if the poll doesnt reflect a plausable answer.
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This annoucment was the perverbial straw that broke the camels back for me. I will not ever never ever ever ever grind PvE for armor so I can PvP. Period, end of story.
If you want to stay competitive, then yes, you do have to grind PVE.
No you don't, and I think that the OP misread the article in his own link. If you read about the encounters effected by each of the armor sets listed, they are dungeons and PQs, not PvP.
Really? Because the RR armor that pops up in keeps every now and then can't even hold a candle to the stuff you get from quests and PQs.
No you don't, and I think that the OP misread the article in his own link. If you read about the encounters effected by each of the armor sets listed, they are dungeons and PQs, not PvP.
True but the armor from PQ, Dungeons (PvE) are much much better stat wise than PvP/RvR Renoun Gear.
So yes if you want to be better than a renoun player, you will do the PQ's and Dungeons until your armor drops.
Honestly though why complain about it. It's time vs reward. Putting the time in with a team to get the PQ and Dungeon armor should yield a better reward as Renoun rewards are just for doing things your going to be doing anyway. You don't really have to go out of your way to RvR or Scenario, just hot the queue button or stand outside a keep.
PQ's and Dungeons are actually challenging to complete and as such should yield greater reward.
If you want Lazy armor you get Renoun.
If you want hard earned better stat armor you do PvE.
It is a pretty simple method really.
No you don't, and I think that the OP misread the article in his own link. If you read about the encounters effected by each of the armor sets listed, they are dungeons and PQs, not PvP.
Do you consider a fortress lord PvP? You need wards to take the fortress lord. If no one shows up its PvE if people show up isn't it PvP?
No you don't, and I think that the OP misread the article in his own link. If you read about the encounters effected by each of the armor sets listed, they are dungeons and PQs, not PvP.
Do you consider a fortress lord PvP? You need wards to take the fortress lord. If no one shows up its PvE if people show up isn't it PvP?
Keeps and keep lords by their nature are RvR targets. Not PvE I know they are "NPC's" but they are in a specific area designed in nature to make RvR occur.
Anywhere near a keep is considered RvR. It will draw the players to defend it, which it turn will give you the renoun you seek.
Even some PQ's are mix pitting both sides NPC's against each other in an effort to spark a fight. It might or might not happen though. However the reward your working for inside a PQ area is PvE gear or INF rewards, which is PvE related.
It is pretty simple. If your in a place that requires you to fight the other faction, it's for RvR and Renoun Gear.
If your in a place that requires your side only to work as a team to complete an objective for exp or influence. Then your working towards PvE gear.
No you don't, and I think that the OP misread the article in his own link. If you read about the encounters effected by each of the armor sets listed, they are dungeons and PQs, not PvP.
True but the armor from PQ, Dungeons (PvE) are much much better stat wise than PvP/RvR Renoun Gear.
So yes if you want to be better than a renoun player, you will do the PQ's and Dungeons until your armor drops.
Honestly though why complain about it. It's time vs reward. Putting the time in with a team to get the PQ and Dungeon armor should yield a better reward as Renoun rewards are just for doing things your going to be doing anyway. You don't really have to go out of your way to RvR or Scenario, just hot the queue button or stand outside a keep.
PQ's and Dungeons are actually challenging to complete and as such should yield greater reward.
If you want Lazy armor you get Renoun.
If you want hard earned better stat armor you do PvE.
It is a pretty simple method really.
There are more RvR armours than just the renown sets; PvP armor drops off opposing players are optimized for PvP and give the best PvP performance, they are just very rare, so you will need to grind PvP to get them
No you don't, and I think that the OP misread the article in his own link. If you read about the encounters effected by each of the armor sets listed, they are dungeons and PQs, not PvP.
I think i read the article pretty clearly. I got this game to pvp, not to pve. If I have to grind PVE instances and PQ's in order to stay competetive in a PVP driven game, then that for me is an epic fail. beleive me people i love this game and the playstyle/gameplay/content. But I dont agree with this formula for the rewards. You should not have to get the best gear to sack a capital city, ever. the article says the sets are "required" for those certain parts.
No you don't, and I think that the OP misread the article in his own link. If you read about the encounters effected by each of the armor sets listed, they are dungeons and PQs, not PvP.
Do you consider a fortress lord PvP? You need wards to take the fortress lord. If no one shows up its PvE if people show up isn't it PvP?
People really need to READ the OP linked article. The PvE armour sets have resistances to SPECIFIC PQs and Dungeons, not PvE in general.
Yes my understanding of it is that there is heavy aoe dmg so these encounters are similar to wow encounters where resistance gear is required in order to survive. Thats what the number cruncher types are saying.
No you don't, and I think that the OP misread the article in his own link. If you read about the encounters effected by each of the armor sets listed, they are dungeons and PQs, not PvP.
Do you consider a fortress lord PvP? You need wards to take the fortress lord. If no one shows up its PvE if people show up isn't it PvP?
People really need to READ the OP linked article. The PvE armour sets have resistances to SPECIFIC PQs and Dungeons, not PvE in general.
No they are for bosses. These bosses include:
-Fortress lords
-The sub bosses you face in the city sacking PQs
-the king
All of these are part of the RvR campaign. I did RTFA. That is what says.
Am I the Only one that reads up on a game before I play it?
Before WAR even released they said you can play WAR anyway you want but the best way to play it is by mixing both RvR and PvE together.
This is true for leveling and getting the best items.
You knew this, I knew this.... enough already
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You'll be able to compete no problem from RvR oriented gear. The problem is, you cannot really level up exclusively from RvR like they said you could. Leveling is fine from RvR, BUT because of stupid queues, you spend more time waiting than you do fighting, so a mix of pve and pvp is best in that aspect. The open RvR areas are often dead, so its not really feasible to level there.
If there were no scenarios, and perhaps battleground like daoc had where any amount can go in, limited to certain levels, it would be better to level exclusively in RvR, plus would be more fun since you could RvR for several hours straight, and not for 5-15min at a time after waiting 5-30 minutes, sometimes even waited an hour to get in a scenario during primetime hours.
No. What i knew was that the King was the ultimate encounter of the RvR campaign and it would reward with gear. I was ok but not happy with that.
Massive grindy cockblocks on the RvR campaign is not ok.
Metelhead I understand that, and I /agree 100% with what your saying, I just have a problem when I am REQUIRED to have certain gear just to pvp in the end game for capital city sieges. I didnt know that a RVR focused game was going to FORCE me into grinding PVE drops to be able to participate in a city siege. I read just fine before buying the game, maybe you should read my issue before posting?
No ones forcing you to pve
*Facepalm*
If You owuld really read the Q&A you would know. They actually offered you achoice. You can grind pve for pve sets that offer you wards against certain high end RvR bits. Thats probably the easy way if you can get regular groups going. Same time, tho, you can get the pvp gear that drops from t4 pvp (players/keep sieges/etc) with silghtly different stats but same wards for the end game content. Problem is that getting the part from RvR currently is very tiem consuming considering you have 1:x chance where x is number of people attacking the keep to get the bag with the part. And the highest tier sets come only from city sieges which are RvR.
Is it good? For majority yes. Not everyone wants to do only PvP but everyone wants to have a chance to participate in end game. The issue is drop rates of items in PvP and 'some' itemisation issues. Hoping it will get fixed around 1.1.
So what your saying, is that I will be able to pvp and get the exact same sets, rather then being forced to PVE to get them? If thats the case then I can live with that. As long as Mythic doesnt force me to PVE grind in order to survive a capital city siege. Is what I am saying here basically what your saying?
So what your saying, is that I will be able to pvp and get the exact same sets, rather then being forced to PVE to get them? If thats the case then I can live with that. As long as Mythic doesnt force me to PVE grind in order to survive a capital city siege. Is what I am saying here basically what your saying?
The sets only affect the PvE Encounter bosses like Lords the Kings...the Wards only affect THOSE encounters they are the only things that make the Sets worth Grinding for if you want to take those targest.
If your mainly going to PvP the one thing that makes those sets worth grinding for won't even apply. Essentially its a stat that turns itself off when your not fighting the boss its created for. If you dont watn to PvE and you dont want the advantage over the King / Keep Lords at T4 then dont' do the PvE its that simple.
The loot rate drops in WAR are pretty high compared to most games why there's a big waah over this is kinda confusing.
people doign PvP in PvE sets are going to get destroyed. The resistances needed in PvP tend to only show up on PvP specific gear.
It's been a good while but there was actually a statement on the difficulty of the king battle back then where they actually said that it would be a very hard battle and you would need to be decked in good PvE gear to be able to take him on.
People dismissed it back then by saying they'd have both but it seems it's certainly partly true
Their are players already who don't pve at all and just play in scenarios, you can do it all the way up to 40 and just use renown gear. A person who has pve'ed some may have earned some better gear than renown gear, so thay might give him an advantage, and he's had a chance to gather crafting materials to make potions/talismans.
Personally I think they should remove renown gear..
So you want to be stuck with lvl 40 PvE gear then? Because your LEvel will permantly remain at level 40 and only your renown increases after that. Seriously your playing an RvR / PvP based game ... the Renown system is the MAIN system in the game...getting rid of gear for it effectly destroys encouragment to participate in the RvR Lakes which are already struggling.
I think they should get rid of PvE epic gear sets and tell Raiders to stfu.
So what your saying, is that I will be able to pvp and get the exact same sets, rather then being forced to PVE to get them? If thats the case then I can live with that. As long as Mythic doesnt force me to PVE grind in order to survive a capital city siege. Is what I am saying here basically what your saying?
The sets only affect the PvE Encounter bosses like Lords the Kings...the Wards only affect THOSE encounters they are the only things that make the Sets worth Grinding for if you want to take those targest.
If your mainly going to PvP the one thing that makes those sets worth grinding for won't even apply. Essentially its a stat that turns itself off when your not fighting the boss its created for. If you dont watn to PvE and you dont want the advantage over the King / Keep Lords at T4 then dont' do the PvE its that simple.
The loot rate drops in WAR are pretty high compared to most games why there's a big waah over this is kinda confusing.
Im sorry, I consider keep lords and kings a pvp encounter not pve, only because its within a pvp objective. I refuse to be forced to do a PVE instance or PQ just to get a set so I can have an encounter with a king. I understand other games do this like WoW for example...however in like those other games you arent required to have a full set to survive an encounter. Usually you can find gear that is on the same level in different methods thats equivelant. Mythic is basically telling me that I need this set just for a stupid WARD ability so I can stay alive long enough to enjoy the ultimate end game experiance. Does no one else see a problem with this?