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Murtha still in office?!

VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546

There must be something in the water down in Pennsylvania. How does this jackass stay in office? Gets caught in sting by FBI, accuses troops of murder before trial, calls constituents "rednecks". Democrats will elect anyone as long as they get their share of the stuff. I shouldn't talk about Penn. We have plenty of jackasses of our own here in NY.

http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2008/10/24/boot_murtha_the_change_america_deserves

 

Comments

  • paulscottpaulscott Member Posts: 5,613

    Wow now that is funny I don't care who you are.

    Some people are so out of touch with reality, on second thought anyone who thinks that are probably out of touch themselves.

    I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384

    Murtha is a senator that denies all logical form of explanation. Either that or his constiuents don't care he is a racist/criminal. Oh well...whatcha going to do?

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by Enigma


    Murtha is a senator that denies all logical form of explanation. Either that or his constiuents don't care he is a racist/criminal. Oh well...whatcha going to do?

    I'm pretty sure he's a congressman not a senator. The congress gets a lot more local, and lot wackier than the senate. If he brings home the bacon a congressman almost always gets re-elected.

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384

    ah, my apologies

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • paulscottpaulscott Member Posts: 5,613

    Congress has 451 people in it and time is divved out by the seconds.   Someone who has been in for a decent amount of time obviously has the ability to talk longer and affect a bill a tiny bit more.  Booting out someone who has been in for 18 terms would reduce a counties ability to 'get stuff' by a lot.

    I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.

  • bluberryhazebluberryhaze Member Posts: 1,702

     nope.

    he is a democrat and doesnt get the negative media attention.

    if he was a republican, he would of been 'scandalized' a long time ago.

    admit it.

    -I will subtlety invade your psyche-

  • SharajatSharajat Member Posts: 926

    It's Pennsylvania.  That's the place where a congressman ran someone down in a hit and run and got off scott free (and reelected).  That's the place where Street employed his entire family in the government.  The political machine in that state is corrupt, Republican and Democrat alike.

    In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

    -Thomas Jefferson

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356
    Originally posted by Vemoi


    There must be something in the water down in Pennsylvania........ 



     

    HE'S A WAR HERO. THAT MAKES

    EVERYTHING OKAY.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396

    He has got to be bringing the bacon home,term limits.

    Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356
    Originally posted by frodus


    He has got to be bringing the bacon home,term limits.



     

    Term limits is the lazy assed voter answer to why they don't need to do their homework and track what their politiciana are doing.

    We have them in Michigan. It is a really stupid idea, because once you get a politician that gives two shits about something other then themselves, and is really effective, they're gone. Instead we have a bunch of bimbo legislatures that don't know shit from shinola about drafting legislation, or about how government is supposed to work.

    Our State legislature is filled with dim witted morons that ran a bar, a used car lot, a bowling alley, or, GAWD forbid, a law firm. And when their term is up, we get to choose another dim witted moron that ran a bar, a used car lot, a bowling alley, or, GAWD forbid, a lawfirm.

    Term limits don't help.

    There's a reason Michigan is in the crapper. We have tried all these newfangled political ideas and learned the hard way that they're a bunch of theoretical crap.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by olddaddy

    Originally posted by frodus


    He has got to be bringing the bacon home,term limits.



     

    Term limits is the lazy assed voter answer to why they don't need to do their homework and track what their politiciana are doing.

    We have them in Michigan. It is a really stupid idea, because once you get a politician that gives two shits about something other then themselves, and is really effective, they're gone. Instead we have a bunch of bimbo legislatures that don't know shit from shinola about drafting legislation, or about how government is supposed to work.

    Our State legislature is filled with dim witted morons that ran a bar, a used car lot, a bowling alley, or, GAWD forbid, a law firm. And when their term is up, we get to choose another dim witted moron that ran a bar, a used car lot, a bowling alley, or, GAWD forbid, a lawfirm.

    Term limits don't help.

    There's a reason Michigan is in the crapper. We have tried all these newfangled political ideas and learned the hard way that they're a bunch of theoretical crap.



     

    Ha... is it that bad,did you read this from  Patrick Wright it was posted last month over at Human Events.

    Yes looks like term limits wont fix these problems.

    Cynicism about politics got one of its biggest boosts in recent memory with the revelation that the Reform Michigan Government Now ballot proposal is nothing more than a scheme to bring about universal Democratic Party rule. There is no question that Michigan needs fundamental reform; what it does not need is a sugar-coated, poisonous, partisan pill that does nothing to fix Michigan’s foundational problems.

    The ballot proposal is phony but the economic misery is real. As of June, Michigan had the highest unemployment rate in the country at 8.5 percent. The state per capita income is 9.1 percent below the national average, an approximately seven-decade low-water mark. The budget battle in 2007 did not solve Michigan’s structural problems; instead, it led to a $1.5 billion tax hike and record spending levels.

    So RMGN’s unidentified backers found a receptive audience for what they described as a “bipartisan” measure that would reduce the number of legislators, cut pay and benefits for elected officials, and require the disclosure of politicians’ assets. It appeared a novel and populist way for voters to express their displeasure. Except the whole thing was a ruse. While researching union expenditures on a UAW local Web site, a labor intern for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy discovered a PowerPoint presentation -- “Changing the rules of politics in Michigan to help Democrats” -- that revealed a partisan plot hatched in late 2007.

    According to the presentation, the primary aim was to obtain redistricting advantages for Democrats. Slide eight stated that securing a majority in every branch of government was “an extremely expensive and very long shot proposition.” But, according to the presentation, “Redistricting reform by itself will not be approved by the voters.” In order to succeed, “redistricting reform must be a small part of a larger, popular state government reform proposal.” In other words, sweet-tasting reforms were necessary to make the rancid power grab palatable.

    To secure the redistricting advantage, RMGN would need to alter Michigan’s courts. It was therefore necessary, according to the presentation, to “Reduce the number of Supreme Court Justices from seven to five; two GOP Justices eliminated” and “Reduce the Court of Appeals from 28 to 20 judges, most of them [former Republican Gov. John] Engler appointees.” Using differing mechanisms, RMGN would oust duly elected judges and alter the makeup of Michigan’s three highest courts.

    The detailed 34-slide presentation also included polling data that showed that 82 percent of Michiganders believed the state was on the wrong track. Only 12 percent approved of the legislative job performance. Two-thirds opposed the recent tax increases. The proposed reform would capitalize on this sentiment and “change the structural obstacles to Democratic control of state government in 2012-2021.”

    Not surprisingly, the proposed amendment has generated a court challenge. Opponents argue that the proposal is a constitutional revision that requires a constitutional convention, that the measure is too complex to be described within 100 words as required by the Michigan Constitution and that there are technical deficiencies in the amendment, including a reference to a section of the Constitution that does not exist.

    But even a court rejection could play into the hands of Reform Michigan Government Now. In a campaign commercial aired prior to the discovery of the PowerPoint presentation, the Michigan Democratic Party contended that any negative court ruling would demonstrate that Chief Justice Clifford Taylor, a model of judicial restraint and the sole justice up for election, was biased. Apparently the drafters believed that they would get two shots at the Michigan Supreme Court. Two justices would be removed if the proposal passes and a court rejection would be campaign fodder against Taylor.

    Despite the plotters’ best intentions, this “reform” amendment has been shown to be bad medicine for Michigan, nothing more than a phony partisan scheme. Enshrining partisan advantage in a state Constitution should be avoided at all costs.

     

    Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.

  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546

    Speaking of term limits, Bloomberg (NY) got the law changed so he can run another term.   This is another guy who will do anything to stay in office. Don't know how many times he has changed parties.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by Vemoi


    Speaking of term limits, Bloomberg (NY) got the law changed so he can run another term.   This is another guy who will do anything to stay in office. Don't know how many times he has changed parties.



     

    Yes it nuts up their...its going to be hell to pay for this vote.Just finished the reading the article

    Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698
    Originally posted by Vemoi


    Speaking of term limits, Bloomberg (NY) got the law changed so he can run another term.   This is another guy who will do anything to stay in office. Don't know how many times he has changed parties.

    Term limits on the executive... you know, not sure about them.

     

    And Bloomberg is a good example why.

     

    He is a good guy; great leader; and is effective.  He has no axes to grind, is a Republican but just wants to do a good job.  He is independently wealthy.  He is in it to server NY.  I admire him, immensely.

     

    Believe it or not, I support changing the rules for him to serve another term. 

     

    Edit: I do not think he is a Republican, anymore, might be an "independent."  I like him even more.  

    I cannot vote for Republicans, as a former Republican.

    That party ... as I said, if it were a dog, should be shot for the parade of bad policies implemented and a seriest of presidential candidates that just do not serve the public interest.

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356
    Originally posted by frodus  
    But even a court rejection could play into the hands of Reform Michigan Government Now. In a campaign commercial aired prior to the discovery of the PowerPoint presentation, the Michigan Democratic Party contended that any negative court ruling would demonstrate that Chief Justice Clifford Taylor, a model of judicial restraint and the sole justice up for election, was biased. Apparently the drafters believed that they would get two shots at the Michigan Supreme Court. Two justices would be removed if the proposal passes and a court rejection would be campaign fodder against Taylor. 



     

    Yes, Taylor is being attacked as the "sleeping" judge in television ads, showing people claiming that he fell asleep on the bench, along with claims that other judges have called for his removal.

    I can't tell you how many times I have seen an attorney argue before a judge, the judges head drop, and the judge PRETEND to be sleeping. If the attorney doesn't take the hint, the judge suddenly raises his head and says, "Son, you better quit while your ahead".

    Different judges react differently when an attorney continues to flog a dead horse. They provide subtle little hints that the attorney is doing a disservice to his client, and should just sit down and shut up. Generally, they don't want to embarass an attorney in front of their client, and the whole court.

    I saw one brand new US Attorney, fresh out of Harvard law, get up in front of the Court for his opening remarks, crumple up a piece of paper, throw it in a wastebasket, turn to the jury and tell them that was what he thought of the credibility of the defense case.

    The judge just arched his eyebrows, looked over at the US Attorneys table, they shrugged their shoulders and shook their head at the defense table, and later the new US Attorney was told in private never to do that again in court.

    But the public never knows about this aspect of trials, they just hear the  BS that a judge sleeps, and thinks "Throw the bum out".

    That's why Democracy doesn't work, too many people that don't have a clue about what is going on have the same voice as those who know what is going on. 

  • bluberryhazebluberryhaze Member Posts: 1,702
    Originally posted by Vemoi


    Speaking of term limits, Bloomberg (NY) got the law changed so he can run another term.   This is another guy who will do anything to stay in office. Don't know how many times he has changed parties.

    yes. 

    the city voted 2 years ago i think, and the people say no! to a third term.

    well, here we are in city council again. this time city council says YES pls, more sir! master!

    and if i heard the radio correct, the city council also said NO! you may not have a vote for a referendum.

    they will all get elected again. 

     

     

    -I will subtlety invade your psyche-

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