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PTR questions about PVE encounters.
Horniak
Member Posts: 77
Hi,
I were thinking of going back to WOW now when the lich king addon is coming. Mostly for new raid dungeons and so on since I do not like the arena pvp system. (Although I've heard that it also is going to improve, just hope the mark farming stops) But then I heard that all dungeons and so on are availible on the the test realms??!?!?! Is this true? Forgive me but I hasn't played serious since BWL, and then we competed about getting the first boss kills, figure out tactics and so on, that was the fun with the PVE, but if you now can play the encounters before they get in the real game?!? .. IT destroy's that factor...
I hope i'm mistaken and wonder if anyone here can explains how it works?
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players have always been able to test new instances. Sometimes it is on the PTR, and other times it was a closed situation where the devs invited particular guilds onto private servers. The first two raids that come with Wrath are both open for beta players now
The devs chose to make sure the instances are well tested rather then throw them into the live game and have a lot of bugs. "server firsts" are much less important than having well tested content. On a side note, it does make it more fair now that the instances are on open betas since in the past, certain guilds had a HUGE advantage.. now everyone has a chance to practice the instance on the PTRs and then really compete fairly on the live servers for 'firsts'.
The first raid in wrath is a cakewalk. Most true raiding guilds will probably one-shot the entire thing.
First, thanks for your answer and the explaination.
Back in the day there was no ptr, althrough some encounters was a bit bugged, and but many were too hard for the general population of players. When they couldn't beat the encounter they called it bugged and got it nerfed.
I was not talking about server first, more world first. Played in a guild called Memento Mori on shattered hand (eu), they now play on frostmane, but back then we were one of the leading guilds when it comes to raidprogress (in both bwl, and nax (after I quit)).
Well I agree that it is more fair than letting just a few guilds test the content, but a bit booring that most ppl already have played through the endgame instances that's to be released. Blizzard got enough money to pay off professional testers to test boss fights and so on. Which I think would be better. They should have learned after 4 years, so there shouldn't be too much bugs to find
Is it any PVE competition at all? or is the Arena the only competition nowdays ?
Few people actually use the PTR's. I believe there is only 1 server. Based on that, only about 1 in 200 actually use the PTR. That's half of one percent of the population. And probably only a handful of those people have actually completed an instance on the PTR. I've used the PTR, but only to mess around with the changes, I've never even attempted to enter an instance.
Even through testing on the PTRs you don't always test the entire instance because they put in blocks and such. When they were testing sunwell I know that GMs would auto kill bosses if they knew they worked to prevent people from learning the encounters after they already worked so that guilds could test the later bosses. Even then, on the test realm they made it so that NO ONE could see Kil'Jaeden until it went on the live server, and once they did, there were a few bugs as expected, which is why they now allow people to test stuffon the PTR. This does lead to some odd world and server firsts though because when the high end guilds learn the encounters on the PTR (still not that many guilds) then the world/server first goes to whoever raids first the day on patch day.
First, thanks for your answer and the explaination.
Back in the day there was no ptr, althrough some encounters was a bit bugged, and but many were too hard for the general population of players. When they couldn't beat the encounter they called it bugged and got it nerfed.
I was not talking about server first, more world first. Played in a guild called Memento Mori on shattered hand (eu), they now play on frostmane, but back then we were one of the leading guilds when it comes to raidprogress (in both bwl, and nax (after I quit)).
Well I agree that it is more fair than letting just a few guilds test the content, but a bit booring that most ppl already have played through the endgame instances that's to be released. Blizzard got enough money to pay off professional testers to test boss fights and so on. Which I think would be better. They should have learned after 4 years, so there shouldn't be too much bugs to find
Is it any PVE competition at all? or is the Arena the only competition nowdays ?
I understand what you are saying. But in the past 2 years, Blizzard has really gotten away from that 'elitism' pve thing. Instances for the most part aren't crazy difficult any more like they used to be. Blizzard is more concerned that the instances be bug-free and balanced for 40% of players rather than keeping in the 'elite world first' thing for the top 1% of players. I would venture to say that when Sunwell went in (the last raid), the first 50 world kills came within a few hours of each other.
More people enjoying more of the content is a good thing.
Thanks for your answers, and I think i'm going to reactivate my account and give it a try. Thanks again.