Looking at EVE

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• DonTrump Member Posts: 104

  November 2008

  Oh my, you sure have heard a lot. Why not get the free 14day trial (no credit card needed) and see for yourself.  If you use your brain you can leap frog over older players in Eve. I been playing since 04 and I can get spanked by a player a few months old. Listen to the whiners or just start playing.......
• Sarge994 Member Posts: 44

  November 2008

  you will (probably) never catch up to characters that are older then you. (i say probably becuase some older characters have terrible[read:unblanced] attribute distribution that causes them to train many skills very slowly.

  Through use of learning skills and Implants skill train time can be reduced, and people older then a month old in the game generally have them.

  One of the best thigns about eve is that someone will always be newer to the game then you. That said eve isn't all about Skil points, but how much you know. You will not be running missions for longer then you want, you will nto be mining for longer then you want. (well after the tutorial anyway) It will probably take you a week or so(if you have a life) to get into a cruiser.

  You can(and some have) PvP'd from thier first day, they usually know what they are doing, and did it ust to prove that new player, with enough logic, can kill people.

  Combat: sometimes extremely boring(when its laggy) generally this only happens in large(and now very very large? 800+?) battles. I enjoy the pvp in the game, I've tried to explain it in text (I edited it out) . I really can't. In no other game do I get exicited about a fight(and feel my heart pounding sometimes).

  Joining a Corp may be difficult for the first month, but after that if you use the corp adverts to find a corp you should be able to find a nice home somewhere.

   

  One last note about skill training/vets : you may never catch up to them in total sp amount, but you can only train a skill up to level 5, generally the first 4 levels are easy to attain and the 5th will have a very long skill train time. People will tell you to specialize, I never liked that. Things will get nerfed in eve and I'd rather have the ability to fly another races ship then do an extra 2%-5% damage.

  Edit: Steam has a 21 day free trial
• Beltamkor Member Posts: 37

  November 2008

  This "I will not be able to catch up" discussion keeps coming up all the time. My friends who wanted to start EvE also complain me about it. My advice to them so far has been to open a char and play for a few months to learn the game, and if it looks like they will enjoy the game but are too concerned about the skill gap, they can just buy a character with like 10m skill points(SP) through the secure transfer system provided by CCP with in-game currency (ISK).

  Saying that SPs don't matter is not true, it does. However, the relevance of SPs diminishes as your SPs increase. That is because there is only that many skills needed to fly a ship properly. Therefore, someone with 60m SPs might be able to use many ships properly, whereas their effectiveness in a single ship-class would be similar to a 10m SPs character who can only fly that ship-class. So, if you think, you'll love the game after a few months, just buy a char with learning skills trained, and that can fly a interceptor or a battlecruiser properly with some basic support skills trained and you'll be set.

   

  About the combat, I'd say most of the fights in EvE are usually determined before the fight. The fittings on your ship, the scouting, your fleet commander(FC)'s capability, combat plan, etc. all contribute to the result of a fight. Hence, even though the actual combat itself might not be very complex (although I'd say that's not true, manual piloting ship in nano vs nano fights make a huge difference and requires a great deal of attention), there are many more factors that is decisive in the end result of a fight. One thing is though: Do not expect a fair fight in EvE, you might get some, but you gotta keep in mind that death in EvE is harsh and people will do anything to avoid it.

   

  About being have to mine and mission for a year, that's rubbish. I'd say missioning when you start the game is a good thing to get used to combat controls and salvaging from missions would probably make you good money for a starter pocket-change, but those are by no means the only ways to make money. You can do anything in EvE for money, from suicide ganking to trading.
• x_rast_x Member Posts: 745

  November 2008

  Originally posted by kverik
  
  
  Iv heard many good things about EVE while at the same time hearing many negative things
  That's the nature of Eve - people either love or it hate.  There aren't many people who simply say, 'Eh, it's alright'.
  I have played many MMO's over the years and I like heavy PVP communites by far my favorite game to this date was DAoC which focused on pretty much all PVP at 50...
   
  However it seems in most MMOs now a days the guy who ditches school / plays at work to get gear wins always I played WoW got myself a 70 and just generally got pissed that people I had grouped with that had pretty much no idea how to play there class could pull out amazing shit in PVP simply because they had the time to farm it while I did not
  EVE's offline skill training thing seems quite unique and nice for a player like myself however I have heard that the distance between myself starting now and a vet will always give them an uperhand over myself and honestly playing a game where I have no chance at even being near the vets seems kind of depressing.
  Once you get up an running most people gain about a million skillpoints a month.  You start with 800Kish, determined by you when you create your character.
  
  
  The big thing about Eve's system however is that you can only train 'so much' in any given area, and skills go up in power in a linear fashion but require additional SPs in an exponential fashion.  Which is a long way of saying it doesn't take long to raise most skills to lv. 4, but it takes a long time to raise them to lv. 5, which will, in all honesty, be about the only difference between you and a battle-hardened vet in whatever field you've chosen to specialize in after about a month or so.
  
  
  Also you can't train in any given area forever regardless of whether you're willing to or not.  The main difference, in terms of skills, between a vet and someone who's only been playing a few months is that the vet can do many more things than the rookie can.  But he can't do them all at once.  In this sense Eve is the exact opposite of most MMOs in that you start off being very restricted in what you can do (your chosen field, so to speak), and as you gain skillpoints you become able to do more and more things.  It's been my experience that very few people have more than 8-9 million skillpoints 'in play' at any given time.
  
  
  And player skill counts for a huge amount in Eve.  Take me for example - I spent the first year or so of my Eve career mining.  When I decided I was tired of mining and wanted to PvP, those 14 million skillpoints I'd invested into mining equipment, ships, and ore refining didn't do much for me when I jumped into a Tristan.  In fact, I had roughly 1.5M SPs in play - about as much as someone who'd been playing a month.  I got kills from day 1 against people far superior to me SP-wise from day one because I understood how the system worked - I hit their ship's weak points, I was part of a gang of vastly inferior ships but we had 5:1 odds on him, I caught them unawares, in a mission fit, etc.
  
  
  Basically, it's hard to really explain the skill system - you just gotta try it.
  I have also heard that EVE's pvp combat requires quite a bit of skill and its not just simple stuff, but others have said you just target... click.... wait for the opponet to die (Acording to some this is also a long process) this seems well kind of boring and not requiring much skill at all.
   It depends on how good you are and the ship you're flying.  I will be honest and say 90% of Eve's pvp happens before any shooting starts.  How you fit your ship, and engaging in such a manner that you have the advantage and not your enemy are the biggest parts of the equation.
  
  
  Some ships are fit such that they really have no options once engaged other than activating all ther modules and seeing who dies first.  Others may have options still availble to them at that point.  It all depends.
  And lastly I have heard that starting out I will be forced to Mine/Run Missions for near a year and a half just in order to get into pvp combat and I cant say that sounds very exiting.
   You can pvp from day 1.  Join a pirate corp, do a few missions and join factional warfare (the Gallente militia can always use another body).  What you do in Eve is up to you.  The talking heads will happilly let you grind for ISK until you drop dead of boredom but you can always find other ways to make ISK. 
  Please EVE vets or any one who has some insight into the game tell me about your personal experience of this game and if possible answer my questions.
   
   
   
  

   
• Soraellion Member UncommonPosts: 558

  November 2008

  Rast's reply covers most of it. EVE caters for people willing to put in effort and thought into what they're doing, moreso than how many raids they attended and time they spent in some counterstrike BG. Realistically you can be useful and successful in combat within a few weeks tops, you can't fly everything ofcourse but if you maximise your effort and make sure that the encounter will favour your situation you can most certainly win from a much older player.

  Moreso, you can be useful (not just hanging on) in a proper PVP corp, all it takes is not being stupid and putting in effort. The skillbased system doesn't favour powerplay, you can't 'force' more SP by playing more apart from training learning skills and using implants, but that's an option open to anyone and in itself doesn't take more hours of play time.

   

   

   
• kverik Member Posts: 55

  November 2008

  Thanks this game is starting to sound better to me I will probally Dl steams 21 day trial this weekend
• Saryk Member UncommonPosts: 476

  November 2008

  I will voice my opinion. If you do the tutorial, you will have a great time. If you do not, you will be lost. So please do the tutorial. But from my experience (I recently quit the game, because of RL time), it isn’t your level, it is who you know and what you know, simple as that.

  A very very good game.
  
   
• x_rast_x Member Posts: 745

  November 2008

  Originally posted by Gkarn
  
  
  I will voice my opinion. If you do the tutorial, you will have a great time. If you do not, you will be lost. So please do the tutorial. But from my experience (I recently quit the game, because of RL time), it isn’t your level, it is who you know and what you know, simple as that.
  A very very good game.
  
   
  

  I never did the tutorial.  But don't be like me unless your idea of fun is fiddling with an obsure control scheme until you figure it out .