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"Animal rights" an oxymoron?
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I believe it must be for logic to prevail. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Rights are "chosen reciprocative values." Although animals are capable of some primitive abstract thought, they do not choose what to eat and what to kill; they are mostly products of their nature and follow it in due course. Some have more ability for conceptual thought than others but humans are exponentially more advanced in this regard. Animals simply are not capable of reciprocity.
To put it bluntly, a lion is not granted the right to it's life simply because it is incapable of honoring the same universal human right. If I put you in a cage with him, he will eat you regardless of the "right" you have granted him. He is incapable of reciprocating.
Right lose all meaning if not reciprocated. Without reciprocation, what point granting a right? Animals cannot be and are not moral agents. Only humans are.
Simply put, if frogs had the brains they'd eat human's legs.
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In this case, I define "right" as something you deserve merely by the fact of your existance. A true right, IMO, is not something you can earn or lose because it is intrinsic with what you are.
Do you give the same argument for abortion? just curious
Ofcourse I do. Abortion is immoral and unacceptble if the baby is viable outside the womb of it's mother. It is potentially a moral agent even when first born and deserves the same rights as educated humans.
Not according to websters:
1: qualities (as adherence to duty or obedience to lawful authority) that together constitute the ideal of moral propriety or merit moral approval
2: something to which one has a just claim: as a: the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled <voting rights> <his right to decide> b (1): the interest that one has in a piece of property —often used in plural <mineral rights> (2)plural : the property interest possessed under law or custom and agreement in an intangible thing especially of a literary and artistic nature <film rights of the novel>
3: something that one may properly claim as due <knowing the truth is her right>
4: the cause of truth or justice
5 a: right hand 1a ; also : a blow struck with this hand <gave him a hard right on the jaw> b: the location or direction of the right side <woods on his right> c: the part on the right side d: right field e: a turn to the right <take a right at the stop sign>
6 a: the true account or correct interpretation b: the quality or state of being factually correct
7often capitalized a: the part of a legislative chamber located to the right of the presiding officer b: the members of a continental European legislative body occupying the right as a result of holding more conservative political views than other members
8 aoften capitalized : individuals professing support of the established order and favoring traditional attitudes and practices and conservative governmental policies boften capitalized : a conservative position
9 a: a privilege given stockholders to subscribe pro rata to a new issue of securities generally below market price b: the negotiable certificate evidencing such privilege —usually used in plural
— right·most Listen to the pronunciation of rightmost -?m?st adjective
— by rights also by all rights
: with reason or justice : properly
— in one's own right
: by virtue of one's own qualifications or properties
— of right
1: as an absolute right2: legally or morally exactable
— to rights
: into proper order
More specifically Animal rights means:
Main Entry:
animal rights
Function:
noun plural
Date:
1879
: rights (as to fair and humane treatment) regarded as belonging fundamentally to all animals
— animal right·ist -?r?-tist noun
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so should humans "naturally" have these rights, that animals don't?
Humans are animals as well aren't we?
Humans are considered part of the animal kingdom, yes.
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Herbivor animals should be left alone or taken care of in peace , they don't deserve to be slaughtered or mis treated. On the other hand carnivorous animals I'm not quite as bothered if they're killed as it makes for a safer world.
Rights are a gift.
Give them to things you can trust to respect them.
Herbivors eat plants, plants make oxygen, they are cutting off my air supply. Cows also produce methane, I say we eat more of them.
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Herbivors eat plants, plants make oxygen, they are cutting off my air supply. Cows also produce methane, I say we eat more of them.
Awesome reply.
As for this discussion, I won't get into it because, well, humans will be humans.
Herbivors eat plants, plants make oxygen, they are cutting off my air supply. Cows also produce methane, I say we eat more of them.
We as humans have done a alot worse than cut off some air supply , love and respect all beings
And we as humans have done far worse than carnivorous animals.
Hypocrisy much?
Cannibals!
Putum pygmies in teh pot and cookum.
Herbivors eat plants, plants make oxygen, they are cutting off my air supply. Cows also produce methane, I say we eat more of them.
We as humans have done a alot worse than cut off some air supply , love and respect all beings
Then Skin and eat them... Mumm Critter Flesh*Nom Nom Nom*
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams