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Was expecting more after all the positive things I was reading in these forums
Belgaraath
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My background was WOW for about 4 years (got bored and left), then LOFTRO (was very polished, but the only offensive magic class was the Lore Master and its just didnt crack it for me..and how many more wargs do I have to kill? lol), EQ2 (loved the variety of classes, but found the world itself was dull and I spent more time running all over the place then actually doing anything fun), and Warhammer (my first PVP game since my focus has always been PVE, still enjoying it though they need to fix the lack of focus in certain areas such as RVR which is what the game is suppose to focus on lol...but anyway, I think its a fun game and for now Im staying with it until something better comes along. Maybe I like WAR simply because it is my first PVP game and it allows someone like me to get accustomed to PVP similiar to the way that WOW introduced newcomers into PVE. If it dies, so be it but by then a better game will be released anyway. Seems pretty healthy to me so far).
Anyway, I had never tried Vanguard and gave it a run around August after the performance patch and I still found the game to be twitchy, I saw bugs I wouldnt expect to see after this much time such as entering a building and while you are inside being able to see right through it. There were two instances of being unable to retrieve my body since they were appearantly deep under ground somewhere lol, and I found the world incredibly dry, the quests monotonous, character animations were unbearably stiff, and I was stunned if I saw more then 3 people in any area I was adventuring in at once. The main chat channel felt more like guild chat since the same people were just talking to each other day after day.
What I did like was the variety of classes, some quite interesting, the variety of spells though the effects were less then spectacular (EQ2 was far superior in this realm), and the huge open world with no instances. I really am looking for the exact type of game that Vanguard presents, but just the next generation of graphics and playability, a little more interesting quests, more polished after 2 years of release, and a server population where a guild makes sense.
Anyway, flame away, but I went into this game with a very open mind and I just simply got bored.
There Is Always Hope!
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ha no reason to flame. If it was the perfect game it would have millions of subs.
It is a lot better then it was at release and the isle of dawn is fun excellent view of the game and being a new start area that is popular generally has a lot of people in the starting area.
I think that it is probably the best pve game with some group orientation on the market today. But everything you say is also generally right. I think vg excells in classes, gameplay and openness. I think it has some great dungeons and it does have some great questlines. But as you say it does have some dull quests that are pretty plain but then again what game doesn't. I have never had the issue you had with building walls disappearing or tombstones being lost underground. Not to say it can't happen just that I think these issues are rather uncommon.
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Ethion
Vanguard has more potential than just about any game on the market right now.
The problem is that when a game boils down its subscriber base to very small numbers, what is left are the most die hard fans. They are the ones who through loyal devotion tend to overlook the flaws and things in the most positive of lights, not matter what the reality is. Many are great people and what I am saying isn't meant to offend them.
It can be very hard to get an honest opinion from the very last of the fans left in a game. Some are just downright deceptive in attempts to "save the game".
Most of what I have seen from the loyal Vanguard fans is optimism for the potential of the game tempered with a bit of reality. The game is very much worth keeping an eye on and hoping, but it will take a serious infusion of effort on the part of SOE to make that happen.
There Is Always Hope!
OP.
I guess it comes down to what style of game you like. I think you are bang on about your observations, although I can't say I have suffered any tomb stone incidents as you describe. The see through walls I've always put down to my graphics card limitations, but I guess if everybody sees them it must be a bug after all.
I've had a number of instances of getting stuck between objects (normally buckets and chairs or the like that are too close together) while exploring inside town buildings, but I like the game enough that I just hit 'report bug' and 'unstick me' and continue on.
For me, it came down to either EQ2 (again) or Vanguard... or possibly the new Darkfall game (if/when it comes out).
I guess it's great we have the choices and also a shame that we are all so spread out over so many different games, that some are under populated. Oh well. Each to their own. Enjoy the game you play.
Currently playing: Vanguard: SOH
It's vastly improved, but it's still not going to be the game for everybody. The nice thing now with IoD is people can try it and get a taste for the game and make up their own minds.
You can't go by these forums. They will tell you anything, like the game rocks when it never did. I tried it at launch and all it was, was wasted time, wasted monies spent on this game. It's just another game in a series of bad games by soe.
Hmmm you know it's been like a year and a half since vanguard was launched.... There are a few changes that have occured since then. At launch it was bad now it is a lot better.
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Ethion
I played the IoD recently and to be honest I can't see much difference. Graphic bugs and performance issues still seem pretty much the same as at release (I was subscribed for about 4 months from launch). However, I never really had any major issues just distractions.
Vanguard's a game I really want to like, I love the big open world and the large scale design of many places, it just has an 'epic' feel. The diplomacy is a nice diversion, harvesting is pretty cool (imagine actually chopping down trees!) and there are lots of nice little touches all over the place.
I think they need to provide more than one path through IoD for new players, if your trying out different races/classes it gets boring pretty quick which is not good for new players. An interesting contrast was the starter island in EQ2 which I never got tired of, just a pity the rest of EQ2 didn't live up to the promise...
100% correct.
Try the free trial. Make your own mind up.
Currently playing: Vanguard: SOH
It is so funny how many people I have heard the same thing from. I loved the starter island in EQ2 for reasons I just can't explain. Every new character I created had to finish every quest there. While there were some other cool parts of the game that stupid little island always ranked high in my opinion.
It is so funny how many people I have heard the same thing from. I loved the starter island in EQ2 for reasons I just can't explain. Every new character I created had to finish every quest there. While there were some other cool parts of the game that stupid little island always ranked high in my opinion.
So true! I loved the starter isle. Too bad the rest of the game wasn't as engrossing.
There was only only path regardless of class on eq2's starter isle just like IoD. The only difference being IoD is optionable and provides 100% better loot than vg starter areas.
if you say your background is wow 4 years and war as your first true pvp game. then stick to the lower tier games like wow and war. j/k j/k
i guess the game isnt for all of us.
This guy knows what he's talking about......
Except its time to quit keeping an eye on it and start playing it. I've subscribed and canceled my sub 4 times since release. While i had great hopes for the game originally the launch pretty much dashed those hopes. SOE has saved this game. It's now playable and very very enjoyable.
Come back people.. it's time!
Make a difference!
This guy knows what he's talking about......
Except its time to quit keeping an eye on it and start playing it. I've subscribed and canceled my sub 4 times since release. While i had great hopes for the game originally the launch pretty much dashed those hopes. SOE has saved this game. It's now playable and very very enjoyable.
Come back people.. it's time!
While I very much disagree that SOE saved this game, that isn't the point. Vanguard has been playable for a very long time and honestly very little has changed in the last 2 years except performance issues.
I'm sure the game offers some good entertainment while leveling and exploring. Even when you reach max level and do some raids, crafting and diplomacy. The problem is then what? Start a new character and do it all over again?
SOE isn't investing enough into the game so that it grows, but rather just enough so that the game stays alive. There is an end to the content and what little is added comes into the game to slow. Vanguard is a decent game to play for a short term, but there is very little reason to expect long term play in the game, because currently it just isn't growing.
I played the game from early beta through post launch. I have since resubbed 3 times and have tried the new IoD. Not much has changed in the way of performance, poor animations (the jumping looks horrific) and graphic bugs. I do like the gameplay, lore and the 3 spheres but cannot get over the bad points I already listed; others can. I also want to add that I enjoyed crafting & diplomacy; if I ever come back it would be out of boredom and to play in those 2 spheres only.
Also, in case you are wondering I am casually playing LOTRO while waiting for DFO.
Regards,
Ltldogg
PS. I resubbed those 3 times after monitoring patch releases that promised major changes. I was dissappointed all 3 times
OP:
Of course you were misled by the members of this forum. Vanguad isn't a horrible game and it runs a lot better than it did, but not much had changed last time I played. When Age of Conan failed the members of this forum took it upon themselves to viral market this game in "general discussion" and even in the "Age of Conan" forum to disgruntled MMO players.
It probably got some people to take a look at Vanguard that wouldn't have. Vanguard has some cool concepts and it does some things pretty well but overall it lacks. I don't know how to describe how I feel about it other than it just lacks.
Tecmo Bowl.
Agreed, Vanguard just felt plain, and empty. I made a good amount of friends in my two months of playing, but that's about as much fun as I had. I'm just sick of grinding. Smashing heads in on Mount and Blade, or Age of Chivalry seems so much better now, though.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
So many loud-mouthed, mindless dolts populate these forums. I swear, it's so difficult to get an educated opinion here, what was I even thinking, coming to this site?
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Thread Cleaned.
Please stay civil in here.
Beautiful, thank you.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
I found the game to be pretty fun for about 6 months. With that being said alot of people say its got alot of potential. IMO a game loses having alot of potential when it's been out for close to 2 years or so though.
That window is gone if you ask me. 
I wanted to love VG, I still want to love VG in some ways and return but the times I have I've been disappointed sorry to say. Someone out there wants to save it apparently because it's been limping along since release so that should give people hope.
I always felt this game had the best character generator. I think it has one of the best living, breathing worlds to walk around in as well. Also the dungeons really stand out to me.
The biggest problems I had with VG when I returned was the lack of economy and population (which sort of go hand in hand) I still didn't like the perfomance level especially in cities like Khal. Lastly, it really bothered me that drops from rare mobs were BoP. Are all or any of these still the case in the game today?
What would any of you tell someone or a guild perhaps to try to convince them to come to VG? What sets this game apart from the rest of the pack? (ie: what sort of gaming experience can one find in VG that they can't anywhere else?) What plans do the devs have for new material/expansion coming up? How soon? Or are they STILL just trying to fixes stuff even though it's been well over a year.
"Just play the trial island" isn't an answer or an option for me personally. I've played for a couple of months and already have a 43RNG. Also I know as enjoyable as starter zones can be in games that's where the most polish is for that "first impression" to set the hook in you to subscribe.
I'd appreciate any feedback and I wish you all the best of luck.
The char creation of VG is ok for me, but could be improved by a lot (more hairstyles, tails for example). If you want to see the best char creation in any mmorpg so far, take a look at perfect world. Its insane and its a "cheap" f2p asia grinder. Thats kinda sad that a f2p game beats p2p by far.
The economy I feel is ok, the population is lacking (at least on halgar). Well, even if you take Seradon, which is a well populated server, you wont run into large player numbers. The design of the game is simply not made for this.
Rare drops are still BoP and that wont change. Like you hating BoP, there is an equal number of player which hate (esp. crafter) not having BoP. The devs cant please both crowds.
The biggest difference VG offers to other mmorpgs out is, that everything is without any instancing and the whole adventuring happens into a seamless world. VG also offers beside the adventuring sphere also a nicely done crafting one and diplomacy, which is some kind of card game (a dumped down version of magic the gathering something like this). VG community is pretty amazing.
Beside that (I miss prob something) its the usual mmorpg out there. If you played EQ or EQ2 you wont find anything revolutionary new.
This are the latest news about VG development in the near future: click me
They still fix stuff and I dont think that will ever change. lol.
"Just play the trial island" is a very good answer for people who want to experience what VG has to offer first time. Contrary to other games the isle is no big difference to the rest of the game, but as you have a level 43 ranger, you should know that already.
Another nice thing is (I hope Im not telling something wrong here), if you download the isle, like it and upgrade to the full game you only have to pay the monthly subscription. So its pretty cheap to see the full game and deceide if its your taste.