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First Impressions of WOLTK Thread.

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  • Syyth007Syyth007 Member Posts: 250

    I figured after all of the server problems earlier in the week, that there would be problems with the release, but I was wrong.  Played  last night, and played for most of the day today, with only one CTD due to server lag.  I attempted to log in around 9pm EST, but there was a 2hr+que on my main server, so I created an alt to mess around for a bit.  The server was definitely lagging, but nothing unplayable.  I give kudos to blizz for the flawless release so far.  I hope I can log in early tomorrow and not worry about any ques/lag until the evening, which doesn't matter really because I work nights.  Still, there will probably be much qqing about que times, and server lag this weekend due to all their servers being seriously stressed, but as long as things are playable, blizz did a great job in my book.

    *edit* also just saw that someone posted that 50% of warhammer's servers were merging due to low pop, which is BS.  I still subscribe to WAR, even though I've been playing WoW recently (OMG! Blasphemy!) and I've logged into WAR all this week, my server was high/medium to high/high during prime time, while the majority of the other servers were medium.  I enjoy warhammer pvp immensely more then WoWs.. actually, Wednesday night I had a great time doing open rvr for about 4 hours in T3.. It was easily over 50vs50 for the whole time, assaulting/defending a keep in avelorn.  Never understood the fanboism thinking that if you like one game, you must HATE it's competitors...

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945


    Originally posted by Xtort 
    <Mod edit>

    I am patiently waiting for a MASSIVE zerg posts of "WotLK is the same old crappy WoW, nothing has changed!" type of posts. I will be generous and will give 1-1.5 months for that. I will check back these forums 1.5 months later to prove my point: 8/10 of all posts will be as I said.
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    I'm certain you will see many of those posts. WOLTK won't change the minds of people who are over exposed to WoW and are just plain old burned out on it. Nor will it fill the void of many people who are fairly desperate in search of a new type of MMO. 11 million+ people you will hear every type of tale imaginable.

    Warhammer had ques a few weeks ago and is now merging servers. Just think about how bad things have to be for a game to swing so drastically between such distances. From being to full with login ques and splitting servers due to over population and then just a couple weeks later having to move people off servers due to lacking populations. By rough count on the news listed on the game launcher today, it looks like they are moving people off of 27 out of 55 servers in NA/Oceanic server listing. Pretty close to half.

    If WoW ends up in the same boat in the next few weeks I will appologize and take you out for a steak dinner.

  • skeaserskeaser Member RarePosts: 4,208
    Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

    Originally posted by Recant


    The DK starting area is really excellent, and Northrend - from what I've seen so far, has been quite impressive - especially the geography of the land.  It feels like they've actually put to good use the money they've been making from us.
    Personally my favourite thing is seeing my friends back in game again, after we all took breaks etc, we were getting bored waiting for the expansion.  Northrend feels more consistent and epic than Outland, and I prefer the more traditional scenery.
    I still haven't levelled past 70, it takes quite a lot of exp to gain a level, which is good because there is a LOT of content for each level.  Ran Utgarde keep a couple of times already, nothing particularly challenging though - though we're all in high end raid epics from TBC :p
    It's kind of premature to say, but I think WOTLK will be the peak of the game, much like Velious was the peak of Everquest, being the 2nd expansion of that game.  Actually there are a lot of similarities between Velious and Northrend - lots of ice, dwarves, dragons, giants, huge bridges :p
    So I figure I'm going to make the most of WoW now before it begins its slowly downward decline.  By the time the next expansion comes around, we might actually have another game that comes close to the quality and fun factor.  I guess Blizzard can go back to working on D3 and SC2 now as well :p
     

     

    Pretty sure Blizzard has said they don't have plans to make more expansions for WoW. They realize that it's already become dated and in about 6 months to a year will likely become an antique (a still very popular antique of course).

    Blizzard is smart enough to realize that the next expansion they would make would have to upgrade their engine and graphics design in a pretty big way. I'm not convinced they'll be willing to do that on an existing title. If anything I would expect to see either a sort of "WoW 2" (lame idea imho) or a Starcraft Online.

    Not saying WoW will be going anywhere anytime soon, but I just wouldn't expect another expansion on it.

     

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  • wilqwilq Member UncommonPosts: 144
    Originally posted by bodypass


    The next expansion is already being worked on.
    Planned launch date around May 1 in 2010 - but of course only when ready. With free big patches for WotLK in May and November of 2009 (those last two dates are already scheduled if you followed the WOW schedules from the last 18 months).
    Don't expect any new MMORPG with the same quality before that date btw, because no one has the money and Blizzard just keeps raising the standards.
    Those who log in to see the starting zones of Northrend understand what I mean... Wow will be here in 10 years time (not even in the same time frame, but it will still be called Wow).
    Expect a merge of Battlenet and Wow subs also beginning in the next year already. Making for a 20 million target audiance (SC2 and Diablo3) in 2010.
    In view of these corporate plans, this Wow can only be considered the beginning of something multiple times bigger. Indeed that big.

    Khy khy quality, yes sure, popular not always mean quality. Dont get me wrong i hawe good times with wow for few yers but wow is eating its own tail with each new expansion. And its one of many riddles in this world why this title is so popular.

  • AeroangelAeroangel Member UncommonPosts: 498
    Originally posted by wilq

    Originally posted by bodypass


    The next expansion is already being worked on.
    Planned launch date around May 1 in 2010 - but of course only when ready. With free big patches for WotLK in May and November of 2009 (those last two dates are already scheduled if you followed the WOW schedules from the last 18 months).
    Don't expect any new MMORPG with the same quality before that date btw, because no one has the money and Blizzard just keeps raising the standards.
    Those who log in to see the starting zones of Northrend understand what I mean... Wow will be here in 10 years time (not even in the same time frame, but it will still be called Wow).
    Expect a merge of Battlenet and Wow subs also beginning in the next year already. Making for a 20 million target audiance (SC2 and Diablo3) in 2010.
    In view of these corporate plans, this Wow can only be considered the beginning of something multiple times bigger. Indeed that big.

    Khy khy quality, yes sure, popular not always mean quality. Dont get me wrong i hawe good times with wow for few yers but wow is eating its own tail with each new expansion. And its one of many riddles in this world why this title is so popular.

     

    I'd LOVE to see you elaborate on the part italicized and underlined.

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  • BizkitNLBizkitNL Member RarePosts: 2,546
    Originally posted by Aeroangel

    Originally posted by wilq


    Khy khy quality, yes sure, popular not always mean quality. Dont get me wrong i hawe good times with wow for few yers but wow is eating its own tail with each new expansion. And its one of many riddles in this world why this title is so popular.

     

    I'd LOVE to see you elaborate on the part italicized and underlined.



     

    He can't, otherwise he would have already.

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  • bodypassbodypass Member Posts: 770


    Originally posted by Xtort

    Originally posted by Azrile

     
    Actually he is mostly right.  Blizzard said their plan was to make an expansion every 12Months.  Obviously, being Blizzard that is 18 months :)
    The news about WOW and Battlenet merging has already been mentioned before.  it's a smart move by Blizzard to market all their games to their players.
    All I have to say about the propaganda is to look at the numbers.  Blizzard in the last two weeks has launched about 10 new servers in NA and EU.    Warhammer, which is 2 months old is merging almost 50% of their servers and AOC is looking like they will be down to 4-6 servers in a month or two.
    Wait until the sales numbers come out for the first 24hrs of Wrath.    probably about 3.5M copies in NA and EU in ONE day.  that is more people so anxious to playthe new expansion that they bought it the very first day.  that is more subscribers than EVERY other p2p game in NA and EU combined.   And that doesn't include Asia.
    Here is a neat trick.. go to the wow main page and scroll down the realm status page.   About 50% of them are 'full' during primetime and have queues.    Compare that to Warhammer where people use the word 'ghostown' more and more frequently.
    AOC was propaganda at launch,  Warhammer was propaganda at Launch.    Wrath's huge success is all about people who actually have played the game for the past years wanting more of that game.  People would not be this anxious to buy the expansion if they didn't like the game so much.


    <Mod edit>

    I am patiently waiting for a MASSIVE zerg posts of "WotLK is the same old crappy WoW, nothing has changed!" type of posts. I will be generous and will give 1-1.5 months for that. I will check back these forums 1.5 months later to prove my point: 8/10 of all posts will be as I said.
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    Yep Xtort, but that MASSIVE zergfest will come from that 0.00001% of Wow haters, the other 12 million others will be playing the expansion for months and months. Hardly meaning anything. We are used to the Wow haters here on mmorpg.com, we don't care.

    One thing will be sure though: within 2 months Blizzard will NOT merge servers like War had to do after 6 weeks.
    In fact Blizzard had their total server numbers raised for 4 years straight now.

    As on topic: WOTLK is indeed a step further. I epxected this, because the post TBC patches already proved Blizzard has the game in a ferm grip these days.

    They know exactly what to do with this game. Patch 2.3 was the turning point for me. It was the butt - hinge that opened the game to its present form. You should try it Xtort. At least I tried AoC and War.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Every time you mention patch 2.3, my hair in the back of my neck raise. (hehe)

  • Death1942Death1942 Member UncommonPosts: 2,587
    Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan
     
    Pretty sure Blizzard has said they don't have plans to make more expansions for WoW. They realize that it's already become dated and in about 6 months to a year will likely become an antique (a still very popular antique of course).
    Blizzard is smart enough to realize that the next expansion they would make would have to upgrade their engine and graphics design in a pretty big way. I'm not convinced they'll be willing to do that on an existing title. If anything I would expect to see either a sort of "WoW 2" (lame idea imho) or a Starcraft Online.
    Not saying WoW will be going anywhere anytime soon, but I just wouldn't expect another expansion on it.

    actually its quite the opposite.  they have stated a few times that this is the 2nd of many.   They have also stated the Death knight will have a new buddy or two in a future patch/expansion.

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  • MiklosMiklos Member Posts: 119
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by bodypass


    The next expansion is already being worked on.
    Planned launch date around May 1 in 2010 - but of course only when ready. With free big patches for WotLK in May and November of 2009 (those last two dates are already scheduled if you followed the WOW schedules from the last 18 months).
    Don't expect any new MMORPG with the same quality before that date btw, because no one has the money and Blizzard just keeps raising the standards.
     
     
    Those who log in to see the starting zones of Northrend understand what I mean... Wow will be here in 10 years time (not even in the same time frame, but it will still be called Wow).
    Expect a merge of Battlenet and Wow subs also beginning in the next year already. Making for a 20 million target audiance (SC2 and Diablo3) in 2010.
    In view of these corporate plans, this Wow can only be considered the beginning of something multiple times bigger. Indeed that big.

    Mythic has been doing free expansions for almost a decade, and their expansions are much larger than WoW, and actually do something different for the game instead of raising the level cap. Vast majority of people are sick of WoW, just like they were sick of EverQuest for the same reasons, they are virtually the same game, except WoW has about 1/4 the content and depth. WoW will never die, no MMO really does (a few, but those are exceptions) but its peak has come and gone. 

     

    If you honestly think that wotlk is just about raising the level cap and nothing else, you are very much out of touch with what is going on.

    There are many new additions, both from big to small things. Actually I like the changes and after adjusting to the changed playstyle of my chars, I'm truely enjoying it. Yes there is too many playing atm. but it's always like that with a big game after launch of the game or a new expansion.

    Saying that a daoc expansion is bigger and does more for the game than wotlk is ignorant and shows you have no grasp on reality.

    And to the many thinking that Blizzard can't/won't upgrade their graphics engine for WoW, you are mistaken. The current engine is contantly being developed and improved. If you design your engine correctly from the start, you can update/upgrade it over time without a major overhaul.

    If there is one thing Blizzard knows better than any other mmo developer, it's engine design.

  • MiklosMiklos Member Posts: 119
    Originally posted by Zneeser


    Who to kill after the Lich  King?
    So no expansion :P

     

    There is so much unexplored lore that they can keep going for 10 expansions without a problem

    WoWwiki has a nice list of unused lore: http://www.wowwiki.com/Expansion_ideas

    Maelstrom / Nagas - Emerald Dream - Titans are the big lore areas we havn't really touched yet.

    Also with the Twisting Nether addition in TBC - they added the option for a "stargate'ish" scenario as it's filled with inhabited worlds, and we've seen one.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Emerald dream seems like a nice idea. Nagas ... not so sure.

    Also the time travel (Cavern of Time etc) seem like a possibly good idea.

    Please, no space-whatever though. Please reserve that for another, more fitting MMO.

  • TurnellTurnell Member Posts: 239
    Originally posted by Tarka

    Originally posted by Aeroangel

    Originally posted by Turnell


    First impression. There are a lot of people in the game. I hope they stick around

    QFT Almost impossible to do some quests because so many people grouped around the spawn areas.

    And leveling is taking such a long time

     

    But the expansion is fun (if you are in howling fjord attack a turkey!!)



     

    Lol, this surprises you?

    This is one reason why you don't buy new MMO's or expansions and start them on launch day.



     

    I agree, I think the happiest players are the ones who wait a week, then level up behind the trailblazing first wave. The can sit back, learn from everyones elses mistakes and , who knows...smell the roses

  • AzrileAzrile Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by Turnell

    Originally posted by Tarka

    Originally posted by Aeroangel

    Originally posted by Turnell


    First impression. There are a lot of people in the game. I hope they stick around

    QFT Almost impossible to do some quests because so many people grouped around the spawn areas.

    And leveling is taking such a long time

     

    But the expansion is fun (if you are in howling fjord attack a turkey!!)



     

    Lol, this surprises you?

    This is one reason why you don't buy new MMO's or expansions and start them on launch day.



     

    I agree, I think the happiest players are the ones who wait a week, then level up behind the trailblazing first wave. The can sit back, learn from everyones elses mistakes and , who knows...smell the roses



     

    That is what I'm doing.  I bought the expansion yesterday just because I was in Best Buy anyway.  But I'm not going to install it for a few weeks.    I leveled 9 characters to 65+ and some of them aren't 'ready' yet.  So i'm going to mess around and finish them off before starting the trip to 80.

    I was in beta, so already have seen most of the quests and fun stuff.   I'll be at endgame soon enough and my guild won't be raiding for a few months.  It's like BC.. we really like to hang a teir behind everyone else and get our alts equipped too.

  • JestorRodoJestorRodo Member UncommonPosts: 2,642

     Jestor Here,

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     The new expansion is being played by my sons and I , We love it .

     

    Please remember , this is only the second expansion in 4 years - SOEs EQ1 and 2 have had OVER 20!

    20 times that the SOE faithful had to dish out money to keep current - WoW rules and SOE Drools as most SOE execs including My main man , John-boy Smedley  plays it ALL THE TIME!

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  • RictisRictis Member UncommonPosts: 1,300

    Well I was skeptical originally with the expansion, however I got to play it for 3 hours last night.

    I made myself a Death knight, yes I know everyone wanted to make one...but none of the classes with classic wow really enthralled me.  I have got to say.... the DK starting area was alot of fun and the story behind it was amazing as well...kudos to blizzard for putting that together nicely.  I also have to say the DK class is ALOT OF FUN, especially just starting out...the talents make them a great class to pick up for raids and fast instance runs. Overall so far I am very impressed with the expansion, I will hold off on my final decision on whether it was a success after my DK hits 80. But so far big kudos to Blizz.

  • RaztorRaztor Member Posts: 670

     Having been playing since release and having 6 lvl70s, (one of which is 75 now :P) I have to say this is by far the best content Blizzard has produced to date. Every zone feels hand crafted and the landscapes look fantastic. Putting aside the new graphics update, the actual design of the zones and the flow of the quests are very well done in that they split the huge player numbers inside the zones (which are massive).

     

    The dungeons so far feel a little easy, but guess they were made for people in greens rather than full T6+. The quests in LK are really well done, there is a lot of gather x and go there and so on, but some of them really are very good. haven't tried DK yet, waiting for it to quieten down a bit and to get my main to 80, but I tried one in beta and the starting zone was very well done too. So far it's better than I was expecting, just hope it stays like this until endgame.

  • InSpectreInSpectre Member UncommonPosts: 42
    Originally posted by Raztor


     Having been playing since release and having 6 lvl70s, (one of which is 75 now :P) I have to say this is by far the best content Blizzard has produced to date. Every zone feels hand crafted and the landscapes look fantastic. Putting aside the new graphics update, the actual design of the zones and the flow of the quests are very well done in that they split the huge player numbers inside the zones (which are massive).
     
    The dungeons so far feel a little easy, but guess they were made for people in greens rather than full T6+. The quests in LK are really well done, there is a lot of gather x and go there and so on, but some of them really are very good. haven't tried DK yet, waiting for it to quieten down a bit and to get my main to 80, but I tried one in beta and the starting zone was very well done too. So far it's better than I was expecting, just hope it stays like this until endgame.

    Same here, been playing since Nov. 2004. I'm having a blast. The zones so far are fun and more varied than ever. I'm having as much if not more enjoyment than when the game launched 4 years ago. Congrats Blizz!

  • APRAuroreAPRAurore Member Posts: 330

    I just got it yesterday and took my affliction lock into the new areas in Howling Fjord. It's pretty good. I like the area way more than TBC's areas. I think Blizz must have done something to tweak the graphics in that area because it's looks better than classic or TBC. I could be wrong. There were too many people at one point so I helped to run some normal lvl 60+ instances for my guildies who rerolled as DKs.

     

    I am surprised at people saying that Blizz wouldn't release another expansion after this one. That makes 0 sense... this game has the potential to go on indefinitely as long as Blizzard releases content that people enjoy and as long as Blizzard continues to tweak graphics and engine. People still play older Blizzard releases, even ones that haven't aged as well as WoW. Both WoW and WAR have the potential to last a long time though I think WAR will always be more niche than WoW.

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  • ChieftanChieftan Member UncommonPosts: 1,188

    The death knight class and the way its introduced with a storyline just blows away the competition.  I like how Blizzard starts you at 55 and lets you level to 58 in a short time frame.  Most MMOs would make you grind for a week to get out of there and by then you wouldn't care about the story.  The tech used to advance  the story without instancing is nicely done.

    The dk class itself plays great.  I'm ice spec and it's everything I've wanted from a melee class.  I worry any time I play a plate class that can unload fast DPS but I'll just try to trust Blizzard to make the right decisions with balance.

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  • APRAuroreAPRAurore Member Posts: 330

    "The dk class itself plays great. I'm ice spec and it's everything I've wanted from a melee class. I worry any time I play a plate class that can unload fast DPS but I'll just try to trust Blizzard to make the right decisions with balance."

     

    Right decisions, or the decisions YOU want? Sounds like there is a difference there. In my opinion, a class with high defense shouldn't be able to out damage a class with low defense. Otherwise, what's the point of playing something like a Mage or Warlock?

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  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by APRAurore


    "The dk class itself plays great. I'm ice spec and it's everything I've wanted from a melee class. I worry any time I play a plate class that can unload fast DPS but I'll just try to trust Blizzard to make the right decisions with balance."
     
    Right decisions, or the decisions YOU want? Sounds like there is a difference there. In my opinion, a class with high defense shouldn't be able to out damage a class with low defense. Otherwise, what's the point of playing something like a Mage or Warlock?

     

    I think Chieftan was saying that he is worried a high defense class can put out fast amounts of damage.

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