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Nov 18th Beta Update by Tasos
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LotRO did the exact same thing, but no one called that shady, despite its horrible development backround. Whos the biased one?
.. Yeah.. it's not like Turbine ever made a video game in the past.. especially not one that is HEAVILY influencing dark fall.. Oh.. wait.. something doesn't see write about that statement..
LotRO was one of the biggest backhands /scams to its community in MMO history, and yet people don't judge it too harshly. All I'm saying is stop trying to tear down a game that might actually free us from the WoW dark ages.
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There are no beta leaks, therefore there is no beta. I can't people believe this shit, lmao. Proof that people will believe anything.
Is that any worse than believing a bunch of random anonymous quotes from "testers" that cant be substantiated in any way shape or form? Not really.
If you think there are no beta leaks you must not be looking too hard.
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
i'm glad theres no beta leaks yet. todays mmo's betas erm i mean trials just gets tons of reviews on unfinished products.
LotRO did the exact same thing, but no one called that shady, despite its horrible development backround. Whos the biased one?
.. Yeah.. it's not like Turbine ever made a video game in the past.. especially not one that is HEAVILY influencing dark fall.. Oh.. wait.. something doesn't see write about that statement..
LotRO was one of the biggest backhands /scams to its community in MMO history, and yet people don't judge it too harshly. All I'm saying is stop trying to tear down a game that might actually free us from the WoW dark ages.
Couple of things are wrong here.
1. LotRO was exactly as promised. (I was talking to the guys at turbine during development) They had an Open Beta where people got to see the game. Do not confuse it with
2. WoW is The CURRENT game.. UO is the past. Hate to say it, but the THEME park games BROUGHT in the masses.. NOT the SANDBOX games. UO 100k? Or something.. AC 120K.. both Sandbox.. EQ? 500k.. And that was a themepark.. And WoW? 10MILLION and that's a theme park..
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If you think there are no beta leaks you must not be looking too hard.
The biggest beta leaking site on the web doesn't have them, they don't exist.
there are plenty of beta leaks....just need to know where to look and who to ask....
there are plenty of beta leaks....just need to know where to look and who to ask....
proof or you are lying!
Great update thanks.
Hey Polarization, I thought you were supposed to be "Mr. Objectivity"? You seemed to take so much pride in that roll! Amidst the sea of fanboi psycho-babble and uber-skeptic deprecation, Polarization would emerge with a post of dignified impartiality and logicality! Of course, this is a rather romanticized portrayal, but still, it remains that your thoughts used to be more accountable.
I guess that was a passing phase, since you have chosen to renounce your objectivity in favor of letting it all hang out. Yourself, I mean.
That's fine, really. It's human nature to adopt an attitude.
For most of the highlighted criticisms you have quoted, there exists an approval of the same subject. In some cases the criticism of the subject outweighs the support, and in other cases vice versa. I think the devs, considering the entire bulk of quotes, selected rather honestly.
Sure, the heavy sway towards the positive at the beginning means you could argue a manipulative nature, based on the premise that the devs are relying on the attention span of their playerbase to fizzle half way through. But when you consider the update as a whole (which I believe is only fair), it becomes clear that the developers wish to expose weaknesses as well as strengths.
You could have created a perfectly sound argument on the prospect (or lack thereof) a 2008 launch with the exclusion of quotes entirely, or better yet, with the inclusion of an even sampling of quotes. Instead you took the easy route.
PS- When you decide to cite only reprovals, and your accusation is manipulation... there is a strong hypocrisy evident in your case.
PPS- This isn't so much a rebuttal of your criticisms, as it is my (excuse me here) reproach of your approach. I don't like seeing considerate people fall off the bandwagon.
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there are plenty of beta leaks....just need to know where to look and who to ask....
proof or you are lying!
I have yet to find video's with beta gameplay or beta screen shots. Even sites that are all for beta leaks have nothing on them. The only way they can be in beta and nobody has leaked it is if in the NDA it said, "If you agree to this we will send Ninja's to your house and if you even think about leaking the beta we will have them kill you."
Im serious as a heartattack, even games that are in Alpha are getting videos leaked and other games in Beta are getting leaks as well.
LotRO did the exact same thing, but no one called that shady, despite its horrible development backround. Whos the biased one?
.. Yeah.. it's not like Turbine ever made a video game in the past.. especially not one that is HEAVILY influencing dark fall.. Oh.. wait.. something doesn't see write about that statement..
LotRO was one of the biggest backhands /scams to its community in MMO history, and yet people don't judge it too harshly. All I'm saying is stop trying to tear down a game that might actually free us from the WoW dark ages.
Couple of things are wrong here.
1. LotRO was exactly as promised. (I was talking to the guys at turbine during development) They had an Open Beta where people got to see the game. Do not confuse it with
2. WoW is The CURRENT game.. UO is the past. Hate to say it, but the THEME park games BROUGHT in the masses.. NOT the SANDBOX games. UO 100k? Or something.. AC 120K.. both Sandbox.. EQ? 500k.. And that was a themepark.. And WoW? 10MILLION and that's a theme park..
Were you there when LotRO was being developed? EXACTLY as promised? They changed the damn of the freakin game. It was called Middle Earth Online right up until like, 8 months from release, and then totally changed the entire game around, and renamed it accordingly. They scrapped the alignment system, they scrapped their lore standpoints, scrapped their instancing stand. They gutted and reworked the game, essentially just like the NGE, the only difference is, the only people that cared were the original fans, but they got new WoW fans to take their place. After playing both MEO and LotRO, I can say it was nowhere near what they promised.
Darkfall Travelogues!
LotRO did the exact same thing, but no one called that shady, despite its horrible development backround. Whos the biased one?
.. Yeah.. it's not like Turbine ever made a video game in the past.. especially not one that is HEAVILY influencing dark fall.. Oh.. wait.. something doesn't see write about that statement..
LotRO was one of the biggest backhands /scams to its community in MMO history, and yet people don't judge it too harshly. All I'm saying is stop trying to tear down a game that might actually free us from the WoW dark ages.
Couple of things are wrong here.
1. LotRO was exactly as promised. (I was talking to the guys at turbine during development) They had an Open Beta where people got to see the game. Do not confuse it with
2. WoW is The CURRENT game.. UO is the past. Hate to say it, but the THEME park games BROUGHT in the masses.. NOT the SANDBOX games. UO 100k? Or something.. AC 120K.. both Sandbox.. EQ? 500k.. And that was a themepark.. And WoW? 10MILLION and that's a theme park..
Were you there when LotRO was being developed? EXACTLY as promised? They changed the damn of the freakin game. It was called Middle Earth Online right up until like, 8 months from release, and then totally changed the entire game around, and renamed it accordingly. They scrapped the alignment system, they scrapped their lore standpoints, scrapped their instancing stand. They gutted and reworked the game, essentially just like the NGE, the only difference is, the only people that cared were the original fans, but they got new WoW fans to take their place. After playing both MEO and LotRO, I can say it was nowhere near what they promised.
MEO and LOTRO are two different games, LOTRO was delivered exactly as promised, MEO died LONG ago
Well I did about 15 minutes of Googling a week or two ago, and visited the single most notorious beta leak website that I know of today. And I sure couldn't find any genuine looking leaks out there regarding Darkfall's beta either...
The thing I'm worried about with Darkfall is that the 'Open Beta' is going to be canceled (with a time excuse being cited), the NDA is going to remain up until release (didn't AoC even even try and keep an NDA on players after release, lol?), and an attempt is going to be made to cash in upfront on early paid downloads of the client made by people operating completely in the blind about the real state of the game.
Now given Darkfall's murky development history, one of these 'Pioneers' is certainly not going to be me. But with that said, I really do hope Darkfall delivers what Adventurine has promised. Because I really am a true fan of the plan.
Its funny that people see only what they want to see. They say the beta responses are all fake. Well then why include these parts? Polarization, I can't remember if he's an uber troll or just one fo the skeptics, but he showed the other side of the beta quotes most people are forgetting. None of those issues seem too big, and mots of the ones he highlighted aren't even issues at all.
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I love how you are able to make things up, in order to support youre point.
Really, you need a life, why do you spend HOURS of your time posting on the forum of a game you clearly hate? It's like a vegitarian going to a fucking meat convention.
No one takes you seriousely and you end up crying because no one agrees with you.
I love how you are able to make things up, in order to support youre point.
Really, you need a life, why do you spend HOURS of your time posting on the forum of a game you clearly hate? It's like a vegitarian going to a fucking meat convention.
No one takes you seriousely and you end up crying because no one agrees with you.
Here we go again, the pot calling the kettle black. So you dont like his stance so what? Thats worth insulting someone you dont know over? I personally think you are creepier for going out of your way to insult someone you dont know, over a game youve never played.
If you ask me, YOU are the one that needs to get out more often. Seriously, dont be a hypocrite.
Again thanks for illustrating why I cannot stand this segment of the fan base, holier than thou everytime. It makes me throw up in the back of my mouth.
Crafting
The testers haven’t been reporting on crafting much yet. I suppose you start delving in it after you check out the basics, so we expect more on this soon.
"Crafting is pretty neat, rudimentary and to the point. Nothing big and fancy like Vanguard, but it gets the job done without becoming a hassle."
"Did some cooking and the crafting system is alright. It's nothing new but it is straighforward and works fine, at least for the few things I crafted."
"I would like to have a more clear message about resource gathering results. At the moment is says that either I failed, but it doesn’t tell me if trying again will make any difference, I succeeded, but I get nothing in my inventory and that I succeeded and get some material or whatever. Last part is ok, the other 2 need clearer messages I believe."
“Crafting made sense. It was basic and easy to get, but you could make almost everything you want. I would say it was like how crafting should be in a game.”
“Not sure if its a bug right now, but I've probably utilized every single gathering skill there is (Woodcutting/Fishing/Herbalism/Mining)
minus skinning, the animation for gathering for all the different types of things is great.
“Crafting so far seems fairly simple but very robust; there's nothing really new or groundbreaking here but it works and it covers a ridiculous amount of stuff. One really nice touch I appreciate here is the fact that any equipment-grade crafting acts as a gold sink - a very cunning ploy by the devs there, and one that should go a long way towards maintaining equilibrium in the in-game economy once in the long run. It all gets stamped with your name too, so pretty satisfying!”
I can see what I want to see too!!
Just like Tasos speak, the quotes are ambivalent. Big suprise.
LotRO did the exact same thing, but no one called that shady, despite its horrible development backround. Whos the biased one?
.. Yeah.. it's not like Turbine ever made a video game in the past.. especially not one that is HEAVILY influencing dark fall.. Oh.. wait.. something doesn't see write about that statement..
Lol signus got ownd
Calling this update proof of a beta is just flat-out lying. Noone can be that idiotic so I'll just call these fanbois passionate. Good luck gettin in beta
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
"the content is there, it just needs to be enabled/turned on"
"so having this little content activated/turned right now is nothing new to me,"
"I was running at 120-150 ping to the European servers."
"Pings from north america to the EU server are in the 150-200ms range and are very stable."
"Also the monster pathing is in need of tweaking and collisions of PCs and NPCs with environment or each other results in "bouncing" quite a bit.”
"The AI is very cool, and just needs some tweaking. You can get it trapped trying to run away from you in some cases, for example."
"AI is great, it provides a challenge, but im no idiot, the AI knows exactly where my cursor is pointing and it zigzags and responds to it lighting fast,"
I do very much love the game so far but my other huge gripe is with the AI strafing and running around like lunatics.
The thing I hope will change the most is mob spawns and town npc's. The world is beautiful but it feels like a deserted wasteland for the most part.
however cluster loads can seem completely random at times, however are short, 5-15 seconds range = great
It's a unique experience, albeit frustrating none-the-less even after figuring
out how to properly use things
I personally like the fact that there is no "tutorial"
The chat and Interface is a little tough to get used to, especially without directions
The tricky thing about PVP was actually hitting the other player, when both are running/sprinting around it requires real skill or luck to keep hitting the other player repeatedly
Crafting is pretty neat, rudimentary and to the point
It's nothing new but it is straighforward and works fine, at least for the few things I crafted."
Crafting made sense. It was basic and easy to get
Crafting so far seems fairly simple but very robust; there's nothing really new or groundbreaking here but it works and it covers a ridiculous amount of stuff.
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Just to further prove my point. Notice how I only highlighted the good things and took out the quotes that were entirely bad, similar to how you only highlighted the Bad things and didn't take any Entierly good quotes.
there are plenty of beta leaks....just need to know where to look and who to ask....
proof or you are lying!
I have yet to find video's with beta gameplay or beta screen shots. Even sites that are all for beta leaks have nothing on them. The only way they can be in beta and nobody has leaked it is if in the NDA it said, "If you agree to this we will send Ninja's to your house and if you even think about leaking the beta we will have them kill you."
Im serious as a heartattack, even games that are in Alpha are getting videos leaked and other games in Beta are getting leaks as well.
Exactly, df isn't in some super secreat gov run beta where they control the whole internet....they can't even launch a decent game in 8+ years, how are they gonna keep their beta from gettin leaked.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
Those quotes was of course made by the beta testers. Been a week since beta release so just natural there been some feedback from them. It's very nice to read that the game seems to be all we wanted. Crafting seems very much like UO crafting and it was good fun.
No, according to the devs DF has been in beta for about 8 months. They simply added more testers last week. Kinda weird that this is the first feedback we're getting, don't you think?
Your wrong.
They used professional testers before they let people in from outside the company. Thats the quotes were reading now.
You need to read up on the game.
I am looking forward for this game, but quite frankly, if Tasos is so sure about beta players giving positive feedbacks, he should do the only decent thing in my view.........drop the NDA
This update doesn't make sense, and to be honest it looks quite fishy.