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Has WoW become a noobfest made for facerollers and mouth breathers?
Greyhooff
Member Posts: 654
I get the strong feeling the difficulty level in WOTLK has been put way too low.
I am an experienced gamer, not just in mmo's but also in fps games. I like games. I also like to be challenged, and feel like I achieved something in a game. Like killing a hard boss. Killing M'uru and KJ felt good back in those days. It was a challenge.
Even doing very early Karazhan in TBC when the boss tactics hadn't even been put up on bosskillersetc - it was a fun challenge, with some real wipes here and there. Let's not talk about pre-nerf Gruul.
But WOTLK is now a faceroll made for noobs. Even the 25 man bosses are easymode. It takes no skill to achieve the highest PVE kills. So what's the point, when everyone has done it and everyone has all the gear because it's just a noobfest?
You don't need to be good, all you need is to be there and collect all the epics and kill all the bosses. All you need is a working keyboard and mouse.
Is WoW-WotLK a game made for noobs, so that anyone can faceroll their way to getting everything they want?
Poll included.
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The Wow hate never stops.
Before posting:
Give me the name of your avatar in Wow so I can check on the armory please. To see all that beautiful gear you have obtained of downing all those bosses. oh BTW, Ill check it in game of course.
Oh BTW reported for trolling, because you made the same silly statements in a War forum
Full tier 6+2glaive rogue
6/8 tier 6 warrior
4/8 tier 6 paladin
My -opinion- is that WOTLK is made for noobs
Good players have nothing to do in WoW
Full tier 6+2glaive rogue
6/8 tier 6 warrior
4/8 tier 6 paladin
My -opinion- is that WOTLK is made for noobs
Good players have nothing to do in WoW
Naxx = Kaz, not Sunwell. Naxx is the first raid in the expansion. It's supposed to be easy because Blizzard wants to get a higher portion interested in raiding. You also are only talking about 1 guild clearing Naxx so far in the entire world (out of 12,000,000 players). My server still doesn't even have a guild doing the 25man version, let alone killing a boss. And again, that is the INTRODUCTORY raid, not the real raids. You also failed to mention that the ONE guild that has finished Naxx was on the beta server for 6 months basically doing nothing BUT practicing on it.
The horde faction on my server still only has about 3 dozen lvl 80s, and most of them aren't in the same guild and are just doing the 5 man lvl 80 dungeons. They aren't even doing the heroics yet.
Also, you failed to mention that Wrath has about 1200 quests for each faction to do. All of the people who are 80 now rushed past the real content. Yes, they are 80 now, but over the coming months, they will be going back to see the content they missed.
Content isn't 'finished' when you get to lvl 80, content is 'finished' when you've done the content.
The main change from my point of view is that every instance can be experienced with a 10-man group (instead of 25-man or 40-man back in the classic days). Overall this is an improvement in my eyes. I don't think the game because any easier as far as the open world is concerned. I reserve my opinion for when I experience the 10-man dungeons first hand. I do expect a Karazhan-like challenge as well from the content. Remains to be seen.
The "faceroll made for noobs" statements are premature, if not downright childish.
Full tier 6+2glaive rogue
6/8 tier 6 warrior
4/8 tier 6 paladin
My -opinion- is that WOTLK is made for noobs
Good players have nothing to do in WoW
So OP:. You are NOT even raiding after a FULL week.
You don't give the name of your avatar, so I can check it out on the armory. Which guild if you want to stay anonymus. Guild progress is also being monitored....And we can always inspect it in game of course.
Tier 6? Where is the Tier of WotLK then ?
Oh I see you don't have it. ....Too difficult? You had a FULL week and you can't show us even the basic RAid gear of WotLK?
You MUST be a noob then.
So why do you post ? Pure and utterly hate because that other game doesn't catch the market? So sad.
I can't speak for everyone, but I personally do not have the time to engage in such gameplay anymore. Sure I'd love to get involved in a 40 man raid and devote hour upon hour and week upon week of practice runs and wipes to down some uberhard boss, but it is just not feasible. All I want to do now is log in for an hour or two every night, and achieve something. Be it a quick instance, a few quests or a bit of PvP.
For that to happen, the gameplay is going to have to be made easier. People need to realise that WoW is being geared towards people like me. I realise that there is a market for people who have the time and dedication for more complex gameplay, but unfortunately WoW is not it. The sooner people realise this, the sooner they can search for something they will enjoy and stop bashing WoW for not being what they want.
"Facerolling Noobfest", oh please stop it, you are killing me here!!!
I can't wait for your next post, i haven't laughed this hard in ages.
It's all too easy to drop into a forum like this and say "I have this, i have that, 25-man too easy done it all!!!", but really if you are gonna just bluster without backing it up you may as well be one of those guys on the corner with a sandwich board shouting about the end of the world!
All you gotta do is say 'x' character in 'x' guild on 'x' server completed 'x' run by the 'xth' day with only 'x' tries (just fill in the blanks, most of the work is done for you)
Look forward to you shutting up all your critics and proving just how easy all of this pathetic Wrath content is ;-)
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
After checking the recent post history of the OP, it's not worth replying to any of his posts. In all sub-forums he posted, he started a flame war.
Blocked and good riddance really.
..Possibly someone hasn't told you this, or you haven't been reading many of these forums, but it isn't in Blizzards interest to restrict higher level raiding content to the elitest few. They realised this quite a while ago, which is why when TBC came out the steep curve for pre-TBC raiding was reduced, (though still at the time relatively tough). You can see a continuation of this policy with Lich King, (i.e. 10-man and 25-man dungeons).
Why have they done this? Well unforunately for you i guess, most of those 11million people who apparently play don't have the time to organise or work at downing mega hard raid encounters which in Classic WoW took months to master. It's smart business sense to open up as much of the content of WoW to the mass of the customers which are casual players.
One of the chief complaints of TBC was that the archvillian illidan was barely seen by most of the player base, only the top raiding guilds had real access to that storyline. A lot of the point of TBC was about Illidan and what he was up too and ultimately stopping him. The fact that the raid requirements difficulty was beyond most players to see was a problem as if they tried such a thing again it may, as the marketing men say, 'erode brand loyalty' :P. Eventually that may mean people stop subbing because they have no hope of seeing or playing content that would have got them interested in the game in the first place
So now we have a half way house approach, those who want to see the whole Lich King content can and those who want more of a challenge can work towards that as well.
It's not like i don't understand your point though, I used to raid many moons ago hardcore when epic gear meant you actually had achieved something, but I'm just trying to explain why they've taken this road. As I said from a business perspective it makes sense.
Full tier 6+2glaive rogue
6/8 tier 6 warrior
4/8 tier 6 paladin
My -opinion- is that WOTLK is made for noobs
Good players have nothing to do in WoW
Oh that's pathetic. My rogue has 4 glaves, in case they take too much durability damage in one fight, I can switch them out.
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Full tier 6+2glaive rogue
6/8 tier 6 warrior
4/8 tier 6 paladin
My -opinion- is that WOTLK is made for noobs
Good players have nothing to do in WoW
So OP:. You are NOT even raiding after a FULL week.
You don't give the name of your avatar, so I can check it out on the armory. Which guild if you want to stay anonymus. Guild progress is also being monitored....And we can always inspect it in game of course.
Tier 6? Where is the Tier of WotLK then ?
Oh I see you don't have it. ....Too difficult? You had a FULL week and you can't show us even the basic RAid gear of WotLK?
You MUST be a noob then.
So why do you post ? Pure and utterly hate because that other game doesn't catch the market? So sad.
Even tho its rude it sums up the feelings I have about people complainting atm about the difficulty THEY HAVENT EVENT TRIED THE CONTENT, they dont want to complaint about anything but they think that by complainting about this they will get some kind of "elitist" status.
Only the big known guilds have completed the content because they have done it already and been doing it in beta for the past 4 months, you are not one of those people so start getting your shit together and level up your probably not even 80 let alone with the capability to raid anything worth mentioning.
With (kinda) the words of Blizzard officials: "Did YOU (OP) finish the three existing 25 man instances and found them too easy for yourself and your group or are you just judging that it is "easymode" because some guild in the world has managed to clear these instances because they worked on that goal for throughout the Beta and by playing 20hours a day?"
Nowadays every player who once had fun in Uberraids like the old 40 man Naxx or Sunwell Plateau seems to think two things:
1. "I never went to the new 25 man instances but I heard someone say that his brother's cousin's uncle from we-play-wow-24/7enistan has managed to clear all of them in one go, exactly two minutes after release."
2. "50% of all WoW Players like to have either uberinstances that need 6 raiddays with 8 hours each to have fun or 50% of all WoW Players don't have fun if there are no super-adorable Eliteuberplayers from Nihilum etc"
Let me make this clear: I don't have anything against challenging and even extremely challenging raidinstances BUT I don't like to be forced to go in there because otherwise my equipment sucks (and yes even if I don't plan on doing Uberraids I like to have a powerful character).
Therefore I would be totally for having the 25 man instances to be superhard and extremely challenging to 24/7 players who have the ideal setup and their chances of survival calculated to the last digit. Let's have loot in there that is 10% better than that of the 10 mans (at max!) and give them some gamebalance-neutral goodies like mounts, titles, pets etc.
If the 25mans would be designed like that, all you "I need challenge whiners" can get what you want and don't have to get on the nerves of the rest of us who want to relax in this game.
What really erks me about those kind of posts is that all the difficulty exists for people if they want it. People complain about the simplicity of raids and quest content and how linear it is and blah blah blah. My point, nobody forces you to use thotbott. Nobody forces you to use bossfight addons. Heck in WOTLK nobody forces your quest starting area or the order (they don't in any of the WoW versions may i add).
I'm an older player and when i feel a little tired of quests i aoe grind. I go explore. My point is people yell how easy it is when in fact they are using all these tools in place to make it easy that aren't even part of the game.
Luckily, I've found a group of players that are around my age (25-40) have jobs and lives and we level at our own pace. We make it a point to not use spoilers and we take the game for what it is...a game. No addons, no beta experience, no macro one button smashing just having fun. More people should try that imo.
Kalani
72 Tauren Druid
Area 52 server
When has WoW ever been NOT easy? Seriously.
People just ignore the OP. He's been talking sh*t in different forums all day just being a doosh. He is clearly an attention whore so dont waste your time arguing.
Judging from the responses made to ones opinion here, I'm glad I left WoW before BC. Looks like the community has really gone down hill.
You can play the game with no contact with the community... just find a guild with some fairly chill people to hang out with and /ignore the noobs.
Full tier 6+2glaive rogue
6/8 tier 6 warrior
4/8 tier 6 paladin
My -opinion- is that WOTLK is made for noobs
Good players have nothing to do in WoW
Naxx = Kaz, not Sunwell. Naxx is the first raid in the expansion. It's supposed to be easy because Blizzard wants to get a higher portion interested in raiding. You also are only talking about 1 guild clearing Naxx so far in the entire world (out of 12,000,000 players). My server still doesn't even have a guild doing the 25man version, let alone killing a boss. And again, that is the INTRODUCTORY raid, not the real raids. You also failed to mention that the ONE guild that has finished Naxx was on the beta server for 6 months basically doing nothing BUT practicing on it.
The horde faction on my server still only has about 3 dozen lvl 80s, and most of them aren't in the same guild and are just doing the 5 man lvl 80 dungeons. They aren't even doing the heroics yet.
Also, you failed to mention that Wrath has about 1200 quests for each faction to do. All of the people who are 80 now rushed past the real content. Yes, they are 80 now, but over the coming months, they will be going back to see the content they missed.
Content isn't 'finished' when you get to lvl 80, content is 'finished' when you've done the content.
Its actually alot more than just 1 guild there are over 10 guilds on the website boss killers that have credit for clearing all the riads. Thats only after 1 week I wonder how long that list will be in a month?
If I were you I would be wondering where all the money from the 11 million subs you always talk about goes. It sure didnt go into raid content but maybe bear mount development is expensive.
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It's not that the game is too easy (which it is) it's that it's too saturated with morons. Trade channel is a perfect example.
I raided pre-BC and it was a bitch back then. Now raiding seems rather pointless. Also, playing casually you can level cap 70-80 in 1-2 weeks. WTF?
Well I think the "saturated with morons" part is an unintentional side effect of making it so that even 6 year olds could achieve everything in WOTLK and kill Arthas and get their very own little Frostmourne epix
That's what the game has become, a theme park ride for prepubescent pixel-seekers with ADD
Since you have been asked multiple times in this thread to prove you have raided the end game of WotLK and you are refusing to give any information on the name of your avatar - guild and server.
I can only say, you are a liar.
So why publish the thread : to vomit all over Wow ? And defend in this way your so beloved War which looses players every day?
Great, I hope you choke in it. Apparently you can't even do what a 6 year old can do.
The only part I enjoyed of WoW pre-TBC was that there were more people running instances on the road up to 60 (but even after a while of doing them they lose their charm).
Other than that people are often mistaking "difficulty" for "time-consuming". It was time consuming to farm rep and gear all day like a second job just to get into raiding and PvP. It was time consuming to get a 40 man raid together, and time consuming to slowly gear up each member in the raid.
Most of the time I don't get a great amount of time to play, so I thoroughly enjoy being able to accomplish a lot in shorter amounts of time, and if a raid takes two hours to complete versus four hours then I am even more ecstatic. WoW doesn't really take much skill at all, but there are still bad players and good players (even if they are wearing the best of the best gear).
Most likely some things are coming up that the majority of people won't have an easy time with, but it's not out yet because we are only seeing the beginning of WoTLK raiding and pvp content.
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Since you have been asked multiple times in this thread to prove you have raided the end game of WotLK and you are refusing to give any information on the name of your avatar - guild and server.
I can only say, you are a liar.
So why publish the thread : to vomit all over Wow ? And defend in this way your so beloved War which looses players every day?
Great, I hope you choke in it. Apparently you can't even do what a 6 year old can do.
I don't recall being able to kill arthas in beta, and I'm nearly sure that you can't do it in the current state of WoTLK.
I did a lot of PuG raiding in beta, and it wasn't too hard, but I promise that if you have a raid full of mostly idiots and/or people who are undergeared they will have a hard time doing the current content.
You might have heard about the people who completed all the raiding content a couple days after release, but it's because they were in full end game raiding gear from the previous expac (and it can carry you through the current raiding content for the most part), and had reheared these raids for months while in beta. Most people won't be that prepared or rehearsed.
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Playing:
FFXIV, TERA, LoL, and HoTS
My Rig:
GPU: GeForce GTX 770, CPU: i7-4790K, Memory: 16 GB RAM
The WOW fanboys never stop
Wow has been ezmode when it first came out it always has been for the casual players not the hardcore this is common knowledge so dont get mad.
Your reporting wont affect him but it was cute.
Since you have been asked multiple times in this thread to prove you have raided the end game of WotLK and you are refusing to give any information on the name of your avatar - guild and server.
I can only say, you are a liar.
So why publish the thread : to vomit all over Wow ? And defend in this way your so beloved War which looses players every day?
Great, I hope you choke in it. Apparently you can't even do what a 6 year old can do.
I don't recall being able to kill arthas in beta, and I'm nearly sure that you can't do it in the current state of WoTLK.
I did a lot of PuG raiding in beta, and it wasn't too hard, but I promise that if you have a raid full of mostly idiots and/or people who are undergeared they will have a hard time doing the current content.
You might have heard about the people who completed all the raiding content a couple days after release, but it's because they were in full end game raiding gear from the previous expac (and it can carry you through the current raiding content for the most part), and had reheared these raids for months while in beta. Most people won't be that prepared or rehearsed.
Last night on my old server, Sart was killed by a 20-man PUG (not even a full raid) composed of people who had never seen the fight before.
It's fairly obvious making the entire PVE game so easy was in some way intentional, when even an incomplete group with no experience can kill any of the bosses
(Arthas isn't in the game yet, but when he is do you think he will be any sort of challenge?)