Sorry, but I don't see that Ryzom have any chanse to Runes of magic. Probably not to Atlantica either but since I havn't tried it I'm not sure of that.
Give me a break, Ryzom is a hundred times better than a grappy cash shop f2p.
Its not even close, RoM and Atlantica still feel like they are in alpha.
Ryzom isnt a f2p game anyway once december hits its P2p, the new company is just setting up billing thats all.
The last post is another in the long line of people mis leading others,why? i guess it's the fanbois syndrome,no other reason why people lie about a game.
This game IS EXACTLY like a F2P game,no ifs and or butts about it.Anyone that would pay to play it is nuts.I found it too boring to play even for free,was nothing there to grab my interest for more than 1 hour each day i looged in,until i got to the point that i had no interest to log in anymore.
There is NOT one thing you can't get in a F2P game that Ryzom would offer you.There is nothing done in the game that is above and beyond any F2P game ,be it graphics/content what ever,this is the reason it is EXACTLY like a F2P.
I would not mis lead anyone into saying "Don't play it",but don't come on here and tell others it's a top notch game worthy of paying to play.It IS a VERY average game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
1. Don't judge the Ryzom (or any) community by the posts or comments of a few rude people, especially not those in a third party location like MMORPG.com.
2. Ryzom is not a game that will appeal to every person on Earth. (Same can be said of any game.) For some people, it is the best game available right now. For others, it's complete crap. For most it is somewhere in between. Those motivated to post usually fall into the "best" or "crap" groups, so forum threads tend to be polarized. YMMV, etc.
3. Ryzom tends to be attractive to: a. Crafters and foragers. b. Roleplayers. c. People who hate quest chains. d. People who enjoy struggling to learn and understand things. e. Patient people.
4. Ryzom tends to be unattractive to: a. People who want a quick session with well-defined rewards. b. People who want to follow a pre-defined story. c. People who enjoy quest chains. d. People who get enough challenge elsewhere and want something easy to get into and understand. e. People in a hurry.
(No judgment is in any way intended here, different people have different needs and enjoy different things. Diversity is good.)
well I played it for a bid, and this game has a verry loyal fanbase and a great community
but I wonder if it isn't better to keep this game free, because of mine opinion the loyal playerbase is just to small to keep te game running, I can have it wrong, so don't blame me
because this game already had problems in the past, so maby when they ask monthly fee again the game will just die off again... and that would be a pitty, I do not play the game annymore because of other games, but still ryzom is nice!
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The last post is another in the long line of people mis leading others,why? i guess it's the fanbois syndrome,no other reason why people lie about a game. This game IS EXACTLY like a F2P game,no ifs and or butts about it.Anyone that would pay to play it is nuts.I found it too boring to play even for free,was nothing there to grab my interest for more than 1 hour each day i looged in,until i got to the point that i had no interest to log in anymore. There is NOT one thing you can't get in a F2P game that Ryzom would offer you.There is nothing done in the game that is above and beyond any F2P game ,be it graphics/content what ever,this is the reason it is EXACTLY like a F2P. I would not mis lead anyone into saying "Don't play it",but don't come on here and tell others it's a top notch game worthy of paying to play.It IS a VERY average game.
How Am I misleading players? Ryzom is a good game and a hell of alot better than F2p games.
This game doesn't have a cash shop, that instantly makes it better than every F2p on the market.
No F2p game comes close to Ryzoms, skill system, Crafting/gathering and World AI.
The fact that this game bored you to death has nothing to do with anything, this is a Niche SANDBOX game. You will not find instant gradification here, no hand holding at all. Some players will love it and some will hate it, there's no middle ground with sandbox games. Some players just don't have the imagination to play these games.
Ryzom isn't a average game at all, the reason it failed before was lack of marketing.
I'll be glad when Ryzom becomes P2p so it could stop being put in the category with sad P2p korean grinder, unbalanced cash shop games. how anyone enjoys games that feel like they are in alpha stage boggles my mind.
Originally posted by kingtommyboy ...I wonder if it isn't better to keep this game free, because of mine opinion the loyal playerbase is just to small to keep te game running, I can have it wrong, so don't blame me...
Unfortunately, in order to keep the servers online and give the developers and staff a paycheck, the game has to produce income in some way. There are some different models to achieve this, but in general a game has to be designed around the revenue model to some degree, and Ryzom was developed with a subscription model in mind. I've seen numerous suggestions for ways to avoid subscription fees, but I've yet to see any that wouldn't drastically alter the nature of the game, and that is something I'd be sad to see.
The new ownership seems to be a group that has considerable passion for the original idea of the game, and I'd like to see them give a good effort to succeeding using that model before giving up and changing it. The prior owners failed in various ways to give that model a complete try.
The last post is another in the long line of people mis leading others,why? i guess it's the fanbois syndrome,no other reason why people lie about a game. This game IS EXACTLY like a F2P game,no ifs and or butts about it.Anyone that would pay to play it is nuts.I found it too boring to play even for free,was nothing there to grab my interest for more than 1 hour each day i looged in,until i got to the point that i had no interest to log in anymore. There is NOT one thing you can't get in a F2P game that Ryzom would offer you.There is nothing done in the game that is above and beyond any F2P game ,be it graphics/content what ever,this is the reason it is EXACTLY like a F2P. I would not mis lead anyone into saying "Don't play it",but don't come on here and tell others it's a top notch game worthy of paying to play.It IS a VERY average game.
How Am I misleading players? Ryzom is a good game and a hell of alot better than F2p games.
This game doesn't have a cash shop, that instantly makes it better than every F2p on the market.
No F2p game comes close to Ryzoms, skill system, Crafting/gathering and World AI.
The fact that this game bored you to death has nothing to do with anything, this is a Niche SANDBOX game. You will not find instant gradification here, no hand holding at all. Some players will love it and some will hate it, there's no middle ground with sandbox games. Some players just don't have the imagination to play these games.
Ryzom isn't a average game at all, the reason it failed before was lack of marketing.
I'll be glad when Ryzom becomes P2p so it could stop being put in the category with sad P2p korean grinder, unbalanced cash shop games. how anyone enjoys games that feel like they are in alpha stage boggles my mind.
I can at least agree on a couple things here,yes no ITEM SHOP is an improvement that is for sure,but i don't consider a cash shop as any part of a game or it's content.
Yes i also agree that there marketing is no contest for large developers ,and yes they may very well have more subscribers,but that AGAIN has nothing to do with a game and it's content.
The poster a couple above was being using that persons own words rude and sarcastic when saying things like "people who have no patience" or people who can't understand" won't like this game.Pretty much every mentioned point was just a sarcastic one that was typical of what i was saying you get from obvious fan boys of any game not just this one.
I am sorry if i offend any Ryzom lovers,for me i would love to say there is 20 great games out there,that would give me lots of choice.I just try to be fair in every game i try,and i have a lot of different criteria when i look into playing a game and what i expect to see when i get in the game.Ryzom does meet a lot of things i expect from a good game,but they are very average in every area.
I don't want to write a book so i'll just dwell on one simple area....COMBAT.Since combat makes up i would say 75% at minimum of your gaming experience,it should be the vocal point of your game.The combat system in Ryzom is like i said VERY average.The graphics do not mean a lot to me ,heck i played and loved FFXI,there graphics are low standard.SO Ryzom's graphics had no bearing on why i said average.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Originally posted by Wizardry I can at least agree on a couple things here,yes no ITEM SHOP is an improvement that is for sure,but i don't consider a cash shop as any part of a game or it's content. Yes i also agree that there marketing is no contest for large developers ,and yes they may very well have more subscribers,but that AGAIN has nothing to do with a game and it's content. The poster a couple above was being using that persons own words rude and sarcastic when saying things like "people who have no patience" or people who can't understand" won't like this game.Pretty much every mentioned point was just a sarcastic one that was typical of what i was saying you get from obvious fan boys of any game not just this one. I am sorry if i offend any Ryzom lovers,for me i would love to say there is 20 great games out there,that would give me lots of choice.I just try to be fair in every game i try,and i have a lot of different criteria when i look into playing a game and what i expect to see when i get in the game.Ryzom does meet a lot of things i expect from a good game,but they are very average in every area. I don't want to write a book so i'll just dwell on one simple area....COMBAT.Since combat makes up i would say 75% at minimum of your gaming experience,it should be the vocal point of your game.The combat system in Ryzom is like i said VERY average.The graphics do not mean a lot to me ,heck i played and loved FFXI,there graphics are low standard.SO Ryzom's graphics had no bearing on why i said average.
No lengthy response, just a few points.
1. Ryzom is not going to blow anybody away with its amazing combat system. It is better than some but by no means outstanding.
2. Combat is not intended to be 75% of the experience. If you are mostly looking for a combat game, there are better ones. Ryzom shines in other areas, which is nice for those of us with other interests.
3. The crafting and especially the foraging in Ryzom are so far beyond average that I would venture to say that the two elements combined place the game among the top 3 games ever made for those elements of gameplay. See #2 above. This is opinion, of course, YMMV.
4. Please accept my apology for any offense you have taken from my fellow fans. Our chosen pastime frequently comes under attacks that we perceive to be inordinate and full of misunderstanding, and sometimes we forget our manners.
Ryzom will remain a beautifully empty world unless it goes f2p. I can't see this new company introducing any of the necessary elements to give players the drive to subscribe any time soon. There just needs to be a sense of purpose. The quests feel so superficial, like they were all created using an autogenerator. The first quests offer no item rewards whatsoever. There are things that were started to create this by the original devs but its all unfinished. It just like Vanguard in many ways. If there was better questing and dungeons + an end game (and jumping...) Ryzom would be a bustling mmo.
It is untrue that Ryzom is "totally like a f2p game". Graphically alone Ryzom is superior in world and UI. The music is also very nice. Making ryzom permanently free to play is the only chance it has of success. If the devs want money, they could have shops offering toys and other neat custom gear.
Originally posted by Dullahan I subscribed to Ryzom for a short time. Ryzom will remain a beautifully empty world unless it goes f2p. I can't see this new company introducing any of the necessary elements to give players the drive to subscribe any time soon. There just needs to be a sense of purpose. The quests feel so superficial, like they were all created using an autogenerator. The first quests offer no item rewards whatsoever. There are things that were started to create this by the original devs but its all unfinished. It just like Vanguard in many ways. If there was better questing and dungeons + an end game (and jumping...) Ryzom would be a bustling mmo. It is untrue that Ryzom is "totally like a f2p game". Graphically alone Ryzom is superior in world and UI. The music is also very nice. Making ryzom permanently free to play is the only chance it has of success. If the devs want money, they could have shops offering toys and other neat custom gear.
You just described as shortcomings some of the things that are best about the game. If Ryzom were to be changed to be a quest-chain-on-rails, item loot, instanced dungeon, cash shop for goodies game filled to the brim with 12 year old illiterates named "H4x0r4l1f3" and gold farmer bots, it wouldn't be worth saving. I'd rather see it die and at least leave behind a legacy of possibility.
There are many things I'd like to see added to the game to make it more attractive to the people who *almost* like it as it is, but those are not it.
Pardon my abruptness, you've caught me on a bad day, I guess.
The last post is another in the long line of people mis leading others,why? i guess it's the fanbois syndrome,no other reason why people lie about a game. This game IS EXACTLY like a F2P game,no ifs and or butts about it.Anyone that would pay to play it is nuts.I found it too boring to play even for free,was nothing there to grab my interest for more than 1 hour each day i looged in,until i got to the point that i had no interest to log in anymore. There is NOT one thing you can't get in a F2P game that Ryzom would offer you.There is nothing done in the game that is above and beyond any F2P game ,be it graphics/content what ever,this is the reason it is EXACTLY like a F2P. I would not mis lead anyone into saying "Don't play it",but don't come on here and tell others it's a top notch game worthy of paying to play.It IS a VERY average game.
I really am grateful I didn't discover Ryzom and read your posts before playing it. I currently do not play the game, as I am not in the mood for a sandbox, but honestly - some of what you're typing is absolute nonsense.
If you think that Ryzom is exactly like a F2P game, you really haven't had much experience with F2P games at all. Have you heard of our good ol' friend "polish?" Ryzom may not be utterly perfect in this regard, but it is miles ahead of the multitude of F2P games I have played over the years. Apart from that, it has a unique art direction, graphics that are still beautiful and efficient 4 years after release and not to mention minimal lag.
Then comes the community aspect. The Ryzom community is probably the most mature gaming community I have ever experienced. Players are friendly and helpful - often going out of their way to help you should you need it. Anyone who disputes this fact has not played the game much or is judging it after experiencing a few new players trying the game. For a long while, Ryzom has been renowned for its excellent sense of community and comradership. Just taking a look at the official forums when the game was shut down earlier this year confirmed that. Players were in a "let's stick together and get through this" mode as they have always been.
In conclusion, I don't think you understand the core dynamics of a sandbox MMO. I have yet to play a sandbox F2P MMO worth mentioning, so comparing Ryzom to F2P MMOs is rather silly. You can't compare apples and pears and judge the quality of the apple as a result of the taste of the pear. From my experience, Ryzom is indeed a top-notch game that unfortunately too many people overlook. Thankfully I have freedom of speech, meaning I can and will "come on here and tell others it's a top notch game."
Well you are right i have not played many F2P games i have played hundreds !I have seen probably EVERY single game mechanic out there.I have seen more than i need to see from hundreds of games to be able to judge one from the other.
Good try anyhow,no biggie your opinion...my opinion ,that is all they are opinions.No idea why you even mentioned graphics ,they are NOT above F2P games i could mention ONE developer alone that has 3 games ALL equally, sometimes even BETTER than Ryzom[ever hear of AERIA GAMES?].Anyhow i already stated there graphics had nothing to do with me rating the game average,but since you mentioned it,there graphics do fall in the average realm.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Don't like games were I get accused of being a Jumping bunny boi or a game exploiter, just because I ask a question about jumping or standing on a hill and targeting my prey below,( which is normal in pretty much any other game ) It's not that you even have these as game rules, it's the," you must only want to bunny hop all over the place!" comments we get, when we ask about jumping or even suggest that it be added to the game." it's this one track minded response's that the Ryzom fanboi's give" that put me off of playing this game.
Well you are right i have not played many F2P games i have played hundreds !I have seen probably EVERY single game mechanic out there.I have seen more than i need to see from hundreds of games to be able to judge one from the other. Good try anyhow,no biggie your opinion...my opinion ,that is all they are opinions.No idea why you even mentioned graphics ,they are NOT above F2P games i could mention ONE developer alone that has 3 games ALL equally, sometimes even BETTER than Ryzom[ever hear of AERIA GAMES?].Anyhow i already stated there graphics had nothing to do with me rating the game average,but since you mentioned it,there graphics do fall in the average realm.
What you may consider to be good graphics, I don't.
Let's take Perfect World. It's an excellent example. By definition the graphics are great. The water is nice and shiny, the characters are well-detailed, as well as environments. Compare it to Ryzom, and the latter looks "pastey."
However, simply standing around on the beach in Ryzom confirms why it is so much better than Perfect World - the graphics combined with the graphical effects seal the deal. Random little sprites pop up and speed past you, wind blows through the trees (wind you can actually "see"), butterflies flutter by etc. It feels so much more like a living, breathing world than Perfect World. Combine that with the sounds and the music and you have a far more detailed and atmospheric game.
P.S. My condolences for playing so many F2P games. It must have been terrible.
Don't like games were I get accused of being a Jumping bunny boi or a game exploiter, just because I ask a question about jumping or standing on a hill and targeting my prey below,( which is normal in pretty much any other game ) It's not that you even have these as game rules, it's the," you must only want to bunny hop all over the place!" comments we get, when we ask about jumping or even suggest that it be added to the game." it's this one track minded response's that the Ryzom fanboi's give" that put me off of playing this game.
I admit there have been some harsh comments about jumping though I haven't seen any after the initial rush. What's left now is a community (im)patiently awaiting developements and while there probably still are some rude and unpleasant players left most of the players in Ryzom are friendly helpful people, judging them based on a few bad expreriences,or worse on what you read on this forum, simply isn't fair. Every MMO has it's "STFU j00 n00b" crowd at least in Ryzom there are far fewer of them and they tend not to last very long...
As to standing on hills killing mobs, you can do that all you like as long as there's a way for the mob to get to you. The Ryzom community didn't make the rules about exploiting; the dev team did. Probably because they though it wasn't fair that some people would get to gain experience without any risks and they may have a point there. Oh and I'm willing to bet that most, if not all, MMO's consider killing from a safe spot (risk free) exploiting so if you think it's normal it's probaly because you've never been caught...
Ryzom is a great game with alot of Sandbox elements. It's far superior to many new MMOrpg. You can even design your own quests and such for other players.. it's cool and fun. If the lack of jumping turns you off... I seriously don't know what to say lol. Go back to WOW ?
Well, if you are so pissed off by my personal choice and want to insult me in a way, yes I guess you can say that. But it truly makes you look a bit silly.
Just making clear I don't want to bunny jump, just want to feel the freedom a true 3D environment gives.
It is a true 3D enviroment.
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Don't like games were I get accused of being a Jumping bunny boi or a game exploiter, just because I ask a question about jumping or standing on a hill and targeting my prey below,( which is normal in pretty much any other game ) It's not that you even have these as game rules, it's the," you must only want to bunny hop all over the place!" comments we get, when we ask about jumping or even suggest that it be added to the game." it's this one track minded response's that the Ryzom fanboi's give" that put me off of playing this game.
I admit there have been some harsh comments about jumping though I haven't seen any after the initial rush. What's left now is a community (im)patiently awaiting developements and while there probably still are some rude and unpleasant players left most of the players in Ryzom are friendly helpful people, judging them based on a few bad expreriences,or worse on what you read on this forum, simply isn't fair. Every MMO has it's "STFU j00 n00b" crowd at least in Ryzom there are far fewer of them and they tend not to last very long...
As to standing on hills killing mobs, you can do that all you like as long as there's a way for the mob to get to you. The Ryzom community didn't make the rules about exploiting; the dev team did. Probably because they though it wasn't fair that some people would get to gain experience without any risks and they may have a point there. Oh and I'm willing to bet that most, if not all, MMO's consider killing from a safe spot (risk free) exploiting so if you think it's normal it's probaly because you've never been caught...
your's truely
A Fanboi
Every MMO has it's "STFU j00 n00b" crowd at least in Ryzom there are far fewer of them and they tend not to last very long...
How long you been playing again?
so if you think it's normal it's probaly because you've never been caught... your's truely A Fanboi
See there you go again a true Ryzom fanboi with that holier than thou attitude and with that, I'll just re-state my last comment,
"it's this one track minded response's that the Ryzom fanboi's give" that put me off of playing this game. "
In fact I can state quite strongly that it's the holier than thou attitude from the fanboi's that put's me off of this game and not the lack of jump or the ability to use normal combat tactic's, it's the persecution for just asking about it or wanting to talk about it that makes me sick of Ryzom and stop's me coming back and playing on.
Originally posted by redcap036 Every MMO has it's "STFU j00 n00b" crowd at least in Ryzom there are far fewer of them and they tend not to last very long...
How long you been playing again?
He's been playing for several years, and in my experience he's closer to correct than the small number I've heard complain about some sort of elitist attitude. It is true that during a short few weeks this year the normally very hospitable and polite community got overrun by a very large number of new players, many of whom did not have clear understanding of what to expect from what they seemed to consider a "new F2P game", nor did many of them respect the standards of the community and in particular the standards for the Universe Chat channel, which is intended solely for answering questions about immediate game matters, and not for lengthy diatribes or arguments.
During that time some people got short tempered and blew up at having to repeat the same conversation for the Nth time, with people who insisted that because they didn't like a certain game mechanic, the game was "crap", or some variation of that. Most of the people displaying that "elitist" attitude were not actually veteran players, but there is no way for a new player to know that. And a few actual veterans displayed behavior not normally tolerated, as well.
If you were to visit again today, you would find that there are still some raw feelings from that experience, but by and large the community has returned to its norm, and people who act childishly are fairly quickly taken to task by the community and the moderators.
Originally posted by redcap036 so if you think it's normal it's probaly because you've never been caught... your's truely A Fanboi
See there you go again a true Ryzom fanboi with that holier than thou attitude and with that, I'll just re-state my last comment, "it's this one track minded response's that the Ryzom fanboi's give" that put me off of playing this game. "
While Mach may have crossed the line a touch with his emotional comment, his argument was fairly logical. Certain actions have been adjudged by the GMs to be exploiting. If you engage in those activities, and someone points it out to you, you should probably take it as a favor that they are helping you avoid unpleasant consequences. We've discussed this particular matter already, regarding terrain features, so I won't belabor it, other than to say that I've never found the rules of the game to be burdensome. If someone was less than pleasant in their comments to you, all I can do is offer my apologies and assure you that the vast majority of us do no such thing.
Originally posted by redcap036 In fact I can state quite strongly that it's the holier than thou attitude from the fanboi's that put's me off of this game and not the lack of jump or the ability to use normal combat tactic's, it's the persecution for just asking about it or wanting to talk about it that makes me sick of Ryzom and stop's me coming back and playing on.
It's quite apparent that you tried the game, and someone or a few someones got on your nerves. It's equally apparent that you are generalizing your anger to a whole community, and by extension to the whole game. It is no surprise that not everyone is going to enjoy a given game, for any number of reasons. Your complaint is a valid point of information, and I can assure you that the Ryzom community has recognized some problems and is actively rectifying them. I hope you enjoy whatever activities you pursue now, and perhaps someday you'll be of a mind to come visit us again, and I hope if that happens you'll have a better experience.
Speaking only from my own experience, and leaving out the hundreds, perhaps thousands of glowing reports others have given about the community in Ryzom, I can say that in no other MMORPG that I have tried, and I have tried many, have I found a community as welcoming, helpful, polite, and mature than the community in Ryzom. I'm truly sorry that you are among the few who experienced otherwise.
I also hope that I can serve as a counterargument, and perhaps serve as an example of what the "real" Ryzom community is like. I'm in no way exceptional in the community, except perhaps in my willingness to spend my time here in the den of flames.
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Well then I guess you're not stuck to the ground! Go bunny hop in another game.
~Webby "This MMO needs more dead bird."
A fanbase like yours and than people wonder why this game keeps dying. Lol
Sorry, but I don't see that Ryzom have any chanse to Runes of magic.
Probably not to Atlantica either but since I havn't tried it I'm not sure of that.
Give me a break, Ryzom is a hundred times better than a grappy cash shop f2p.
Its not even close, RoM and Atlantica still feel like they are in alpha.
Ryzom isnt a f2p game anyway once december hits its P2p, the new company is just setting up billing thats all.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
The last post is another in the long line of people mis leading others,why? i guess it's the fanbois syndrome,no other reason why people lie about a game.
This game IS EXACTLY like a F2P game,no ifs and or butts about it.Anyone that would pay to play it is nuts.I found it too boring to play even for free,was nothing there to grab my interest for more than 1 hour each day i looged in,until i got to the point that i had no interest to log in anymore.
There is NOT one thing you can't get in a F2P game that Ryzom would offer you.There is nothing done in the game that is above and beyond any F2P game ,be it graphics/content what ever,this is the reason it is EXACTLY like a F2P.
I would not mis lead anyone into saying "Don't play it",but don't come on here and tell others it's a top notch game worthy of paying to play.It IS a VERY average game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I guess it needs repeating again. And again.
1. Don't judge the Ryzom (or any) community by the posts or comments of a few rude people, especially not those in a third party location like MMORPG.com.
2. Ryzom is not a game that will appeal to every person on Earth. (Same can be said of any game.) For some people, it is the best game available right now. For others, it's complete crap. For most it is somewhere in between. Those motivated to post usually fall into the "best" or "crap" groups, so forum threads tend to be polarized. YMMV, etc.
3. Ryzom tends to be attractive to:
a. Crafters and foragers.
b. Roleplayers.
c. People who hate quest chains.
d. People who enjoy struggling to learn and understand things.
e. Patient people.
4. Ryzom tends to be unattractive to:
a. People who want a quick session with well-defined rewards.
b. People who want to follow a pre-defined story.
c. People who enjoy quest chains.
d. People who get enough challenge elsewhere and want something easy to get into and understand.
e. People in a hurry.
(No judgment is in any way intended here, different people have different needs and enjoy different things. Diversity is good.)
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well I played it for a bid, and this game has a verry loyal fanbase and a great community
but I wonder if it isn't better to keep this game free, because of mine opinion the loyal playerbase is just to small to keep te game running, I can have it wrong, so don't blame me
because this game already had problems in the past, so maby when they ask monthly fee again the game will just die off again... and that would be a pitty, I do not play the game annymore because of other games, but still ryzom is nice!
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How Am I misleading players? Ryzom is a good game and a hell of alot better than F2p games.
This game doesn't have a cash shop, that instantly makes it better than every F2p on the market.
No F2p game comes close to Ryzoms, skill system, Crafting/gathering and World AI.
The fact that this game bored you to death has nothing to do with anything, this is a Niche SANDBOX game. You will not find instant gradification here, no hand holding at all. Some players will love it and some will hate it, there's no middle ground with sandbox games. Some players just don't have the imagination to play these games.
Ryzom isn't a average game at all, the reason it failed before was lack of marketing.
I'll be glad when Ryzom becomes P2p so it could stop being put in the category with sad P2p korean grinder, unbalanced cash shop games. how anyone enjoys games that feel like they are in alpha stage boggles my mind.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Unfortunately, in order to keep the servers online and give the developers and staff a paycheck, the game has to produce income in some way. There are some different models to achieve this, but in general a game has to be designed around the revenue model to some degree, and Ryzom was developed with a subscription model in mind. I've seen numerous suggestions for ways to avoid subscription fees, but I've yet to see any that wouldn't drastically alter the nature of the game, and that is something I'd be sad to see.
The new ownership seems to be a group that has considerable passion for the original idea of the game, and I'd like to see them give a good effort to succeeding using that model before giving up and changing it. The prior owners failed in various ways to give that model a complete try.
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Sasi
Guild Leader of Pegasus Foundation
in Ryzom
How Am I misleading players? Ryzom is a good game and a hell of alot better than F2p games.
This game doesn't have a cash shop, that instantly makes it better than every F2p on the market.
No F2p game comes close to Ryzoms, skill system, Crafting/gathering and World AI.
The fact that this game bored you to death has nothing to do with anything, this is a Niche SANDBOX game. You will not find instant gradification here, no hand holding at all. Some players will love it and some will hate it, there's no middle ground with sandbox games. Some players just don't have the imagination to play these games.
Ryzom isn't a average game at all, the reason it failed before was lack of marketing.
I'll be glad when Ryzom becomes P2p so it could stop being put in the category with sad P2p korean grinder, unbalanced cash shop games. how anyone enjoys games that feel like they are in alpha stage boggles my mind.
I can at least agree on a couple things here,yes no ITEM SHOP is an improvement that is for sure,but i don't consider a cash shop as any part of a game or it's content.
Yes i also agree that there marketing is no contest for large developers ,and yes they may very well have more subscribers,but that AGAIN has nothing to do with a game and it's content.
The poster a couple above was being using that persons own words rude and sarcastic when saying things like "people who have no patience" or people who can't understand" won't like this game.Pretty much every mentioned point was just a sarcastic one that was typical of what i was saying you get from obvious fan boys of any game not just this one.
I am sorry if i offend any Ryzom lovers,for me i would love to say there is 20 great games out there,that would give me lots of choice.I just try to be fair in every game i try,and i have a lot of different criteria when i look into playing a game and what i expect to see when i get in the game.Ryzom does meet a lot of things i expect from a good game,but they are very average in every area.
I don't want to write a book so i'll just dwell on one simple area....COMBAT.Since combat makes up i would say 75% at minimum of your gaming experience,it should be the vocal point of your game.The combat system in Ryzom is like i said VERY average.The graphics do not mean a lot to me ,heck i played and loved FFXI,there graphics are low standard.SO Ryzom's graphics had no bearing on why i said average.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
No lengthy response, just a few points.
1. Ryzom is not going to blow anybody away with its amazing combat system. It is better than some but by no means outstanding.
2. Combat is not intended to be 75% of the experience. If you are mostly looking for a combat game, there are better ones. Ryzom shines in other areas, which is nice for those of us with other interests.
3. The crafting and especially the foraging in Ryzom are so far beyond average that I would venture to say that the two elements combined place the game among the top 3 games ever made for those elements of gameplay. See #2 above. This is opinion, of course, YMMV.
4. Please accept my apology for any offense you have taken from my fellow fans. Our chosen pastime frequently comes under attacks that we perceive to be inordinate and full of misunderstanding, and sometimes we forget our manners.
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Sasi
Guild Leader of Pegasus Foundation
in Ryzom
I subscribed to Ryzom for a short time.
Ryzom will remain a beautifully empty world unless it goes f2p. I can't see this new company introducing any of the necessary elements to give players the drive to subscribe any time soon. There just needs to be a sense of purpose. The quests feel so superficial, like they were all created using an autogenerator. The first quests offer no item rewards whatsoever. There are things that were started to create this by the original devs but its all unfinished. It just like Vanguard in many ways. If there was better questing and dungeons + an end game (and jumping...) Ryzom would be a bustling mmo.
It is untrue that Ryzom is "totally like a f2p game". Graphically alone Ryzom is superior in world and UI. The music is also very nice. Making ryzom permanently free to play is the only chance it has of success. If the devs want money, they could have shops offering toys and other neat custom gear.
You just described as shortcomings some of the things that are best about the game. If Ryzom were to be changed to be a quest-chain-on-rails, item loot, instanced dungeon, cash shop for goodies game filled to the brim with 12 year old illiterates named "H4x0r4l1f3" and gold farmer bots, it wouldn't be worth saving. I'd rather see it die and at least leave behind a legacy of possibility.
There are many things I'd like to see added to the game to make it more attractive to the people who *almost* like it as it is, but those are not it.
Pardon my abruptness, you've caught me on a bad day, I guess.
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Sasi
Guild Leader of Pegasus Foundation
in Ryzom
I really am grateful I didn't discover Ryzom and read your posts before playing it. I currently do not play the game, as I am not in the mood for a sandbox, but honestly - some of what you're typing is absolute nonsense.
If you think that Ryzom is exactly like a F2P game, you really haven't had much experience with F2P games at all. Have you heard of our good ol' friend "polish?" Ryzom may not be utterly perfect in this regard, but it is miles ahead of the multitude of F2P games I have played over the years. Apart from that, it has a unique art direction, graphics that are still beautiful and efficient 4 years after release and not to mention minimal lag.
Then comes the community aspect. The Ryzom community is probably the most mature gaming community I have ever experienced. Players are friendly and helpful - often going out of their way to help you should you need it. Anyone who disputes this fact has not played the game much or is judging it after experiencing a few new players trying the game. For a long while, Ryzom has been renowned for its excellent sense of community and comradership. Just taking a look at the official forums when the game was shut down earlier this year confirmed that. Players were in a "let's stick together and get through this" mode as they have always been.
In conclusion, I don't think you understand the core dynamics of a sandbox MMO. I have yet to play a sandbox F2P MMO worth mentioning, so comparing Ryzom to F2P MMOs is rather silly. You can't compare apples and pears and judge the quality of the apple as a result of the taste of the pear. From my experience, Ryzom is indeed a top-notch game that unfortunately too many people overlook. Thankfully I have freedom of speech, meaning I can and will "come on here and tell others it's a top notch game."
Well you are right i have not played many F2P games i have played hundreds !I have seen probably EVERY single game mechanic out there.I have seen more than i need to see from hundreds of games to be able to judge one from the other.
Good try anyhow,no biggie your opinion...my opinion ,that is all they are opinions.No idea why you even mentioned graphics ,they are NOT above F2P games i could mention ONE developer alone that has 3 games ALL equally, sometimes even BETTER than Ryzom[ever hear of AERIA GAMES?].Anyhow i already stated there graphics had nothing to do with me rating the game average,but since you mentioned it,there graphics do fall in the average realm.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Don't like games were I get accused of being a Jumping bunny boi or a game exploiter, just because I ask a question about jumping or standing on a hill and targeting my prey below,( which is normal in pretty much any other game ) It's not that you even have these as game rules, it's the," you must only want to bunny hop all over the place!" comments we get, when we ask about jumping or even suggest that it be added to the game." it's this one track minded response's that the Ryzom fanboi's give" that put me off of playing this game.
What you may consider to be good graphics, I don't.
Let's take Perfect World. It's an excellent example. By definition the graphics are great. The water is nice and shiny, the characters are well-detailed, as well as environments. Compare it to Ryzom, and the latter looks "pastey."
However, simply standing around on the beach in Ryzom confirms why it is so much better than Perfect World - the graphics combined with the graphical effects seal the deal. Random little sprites pop up and speed past you, wind blows through the trees (wind you can actually "see"), butterflies flutter by etc. It feels so much more like a living, breathing world than Perfect World. Combine that with the sounds and the music and you have a far more detailed and atmospheric game.
P.S. My condolences for playing so many F2P games. It must have been terrible.
I admit there have been some harsh comments about jumping though I haven't seen any after the initial rush. What's left now is a community (im)patiently awaiting developements and while there probably still are some rude and unpleasant players left most of the players in Ryzom are friendly helpful people, judging them based on a few bad expreriences,or worse on what you read on this forum, simply isn't fair. Every MMO has it's "STFU j00 n00b" crowd at least in Ryzom there are far fewer of them and they tend not to last very long...
As to standing on hills killing mobs, you can do that all you like as long as there's a way for the mob to get to you. The Ryzom community didn't make the rules about exploiting; the dev team did. Probably because they though it wasn't fair that some people would get to gain experience without any risks and they may have a point there. Oh and I'm willing to bet that most, if not all, MMO's consider killing from a safe spot (risk free) exploiting so if you think it's normal it's probaly because you've never been caught...
your's truely
A Fanboi
Well, if you are so pissed off by my personal choice and want to insult me in a way, yes I guess you can say that. But it truly makes you look a bit silly.
Just making clear I don't want to bunny jump, just want to feel the freedom a true 3D environment gives.
It is a true 3D enviroment.
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How are you?" -Me
I admit there have been some harsh comments about jumping though I haven't seen any after the initial rush. What's left now is a community (im)patiently awaiting developements and while there probably still are some rude and unpleasant players left most of the players in Ryzom are friendly helpful people, judging them based on a few bad expreriences,or worse on what you read on this forum, simply isn't fair. Every MMO has it's "STFU j00 n00b" crowd at least in Ryzom there are far fewer of them and they tend not to last very long...
As to standing on hills killing mobs, you can do that all you like as long as there's a way for the mob to get to you. The Ryzom community didn't make the rules about exploiting; the dev team did. Probably because they though it wasn't fair that some people would get to gain experience without any risks and they may have a point there. Oh and I'm willing to bet that most, if not all, MMO's consider killing from a safe spot (risk free) exploiting so if you think it's normal it's probaly because you've never been caught...
your's truely
A Fanboi
Every MMO has it's "STFU j00 n00b" crowd at least in Ryzom there are far fewer of them and they tend not to last very long...
How long you been playing again?
so if you think it's normal it's probaly because you've never been caught... your's truely A Fanboi
See there you go again a true Ryzom fanboi with that holier than thou attitude and with that, I'll just re-state my last comment,
"it's this one track minded response's that the Ryzom fanboi's give" that put me off of playing this game. "
In fact I can state quite strongly that it's the holier than thou attitude from the fanboi's that put's me off of this game and not the lack of jump or the ability to use normal combat tactic's, it's the persecution for just asking about it or wanting to talk about it that makes me sick of Ryzom and stop's me coming back and playing on.
He's been playing for several years, and in my experience he's closer to correct than the small number I've heard complain about some sort of elitist attitude. It is true that during a short few weeks this year the normally very hospitable and polite community got overrun by a very large number of new players, many of whom did not have clear understanding of what to expect from what they seemed to consider a "new F2P game", nor did many of them respect the standards of the community and in particular the standards for the Universe Chat channel, which is intended solely for answering questions about immediate game matters, and not for lengthy diatribes or arguments.
During that time some people got short tempered and blew up at having to repeat the same conversation for the Nth time, with people who insisted that because they didn't like a certain game mechanic, the game was "crap", or some variation of that. Most of the people displaying that "elitist" attitude were not actually veteran players, but there is no way for a new player to know that. And a few actual veterans displayed behavior not normally tolerated, as well.
If you were to visit again today, you would find that there are still some raw feelings from that experience, but by and large the community has returned to its norm, and people who act childishly are fairly quickly taken to task by the community and the moderators.
While Mach may have crossed the line a touch with his emotional comment, his argument was fairly logical. Certain actions have been adjudged by the GMs to be exploiting. If you engage in those activities, and someone points it out to you, you should probably take it as a favor that they are helping you avoid unpleasant consequences. We've discussed this particular matter already, regarding terrain features, so I won't belabor it, other than to say that I've never found the rules of the game to be burdensome. If someone was less than pleasant in their comments to you, all I can do is offer my apologies and assure you that the vast majority of us do no such thing.
It's quite apparent that you tried the game, and someone or a few someones got on your nerves. It's equally apparent that you are generalizing your anger to a whole community, and by extension to the whole game. It is no surprise that not everyone is going to enjoy a given game, for any number of reasons. Your complaint is a valid point of information, and I can assure you that the Ryzom community has recognized some problems and is actively rectifying them. I hope you enjoy whatever activities you pursue now, and perhaps someday you'll be of a mind to come visit us again, and I hope if that happens you'll have a better experience.
Speaking only from my own experience, and leaving out the hundreds, perhaps thousands of glowing reports others have given about the community in Ryzom, I can say that in no other MMORPG that I have tried, and I have tried many, have I found a community as welcoming, helpful, polite, and mature than the community in Ryzom. I'm truly sorry that you are among the few who experienced otherwise.
I also hope that I can serve as a counterargument, and perhaps serve as an example of what the "real" Ryzom community is like. I'm in no way exceptional in the community, except perhaps in my willingness to spend my time here in the den of flames.
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Sasi
Guild Leader of Pegasus Foundation
in Ryzom
i played beta
so my account is now active...im gonna give it a try
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Sasi
Guild Leader of Pegasus Foundation
in Ryzom