If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.
and sorry avery you dont just get to keep AoC out of this because you are embarrased...
I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put. When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here. Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it. Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..
You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.
If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.
The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.
Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are
If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.
"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)
There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.
Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
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Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by Scaredgirl
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put. When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here. Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it. Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..
You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.
If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.
The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.
Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are
If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.
"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)
There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.
Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
Exactly, I like what I see and hear about DF and I am keen to try it - I do think it will be half decent too. It's all to easy to gloss over important things like we are talking about when your on cloud nine with some new news released. Been there myself Shame some don't want to actually take in the evidence.
As for scaredgirl - actually been reported for multiple accounts (some 20 + created here) can't take anything he says seriously. I forwarded details through the right channels - just so your aware.
Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...
I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.
I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put. When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here. Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it. Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..
You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.
If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.
The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.
Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are
If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.
"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)
There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.
Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
Im in this same group, Id love to see Aventurine pull off all their promises for Darkfall. But Im highly skeptical of this game. A small company with no development experience promises the biggest leap ahead in game play that weve ever seen? Factor in I think its fishy its taken them 8+ years to get to where they are. I also highly doubt this whole 08 release.
The fanbois are gettin their leashes pulled now btw, notice how many of em lack stars now. My guess is theyre getting warnings for this type of behavior.
nice so with the latest update arcken is now backpeddling to trying to attack people cause of their star ratings? awsome!
I had my stars removed when someone reported me for necro bumping a thread and a mod actually banned me. Oh and the post in question was the second post in the thread.....and the thread was made within an hour of my post....yea there goes some stars.
Also lost some for letting arcken-esque trolls bait me into getting into an argument and then they reported me after they baited me. my mistake though luckily stars mean absolutely nothing.
Off topic abit: but how does the stars work? I see ppl with 1000's of post with 1 star while ppl less than 100 with max. Just curious how it works
There is an explanation in the faq about it, but there are some "wtf" moments with how they are calculated sometimes. I really wouldntn worry about it, will just frustrate you.
As we pointed out already, if you get a warning or ban or i think even quote someone's post who got removed, and therefor your post gets removed, you lose some points/stars.
I actually saw that tenspotting made a thread complaining about the star system and how his arent going up. when he is sitting at like -2 and i dont think he quite understands how it goes.
Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...
I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.
Ok somewhat common ground on arrogant so I will leave that alone.
IMO and only my opinion, this is why I say shady and deceptive. First Adventurine gives out "video koolaid" in what, around august/september. Then virtually nothing since. The video showed virtually nothing important, in way of gameplay, UI etc. All it did was confirm that there is a game called Darkfall, and thats debatable amoung some people. to me thats is shady, even AoC gave us gameplay footage several months before release. I wont get into the vaporware discussion, as thats a sad discussion. If they think its vapor or not, its their opinion.
Now I think its highly deceptive to let just two people in CB with the NDA lifted. Why 2? why not more? Why not let all major game sites in and let them write what the feel? Like what someone said in an earlier post the CB reveiws are extremly generous to begin with. To me it smells like something is being hidden. Ok for 1 minute you have this small company, you may not be able to afford advertisements and your product is due out in 08. You have this great product works great, does what it says. Are you going to keep it hidden away until it hits the shelves in 08, or let major retaliers try it out and let them spread the word for you? Same senario this time, execpt this time you suposidly have this great product but some things in it just doesnt work like you intended on it doing. This just might ruin your entire product. Now are you going to run around showcasing your product or will you try to keep it low key while atempting to fixing it. Ok back on topic. I just have a gut feeling that they are hidding something, and that it wont be out in 08. This is why I say deceptive. I had this same feeling with AoC and they were hidding alot. I have been around the MMO market long enough to know if a company is confident about their work, they dont keep it hidden regaurdless of korean, japanese, EU, NA, devs. While on the other hand seeing a company hidding important "stuff" this close to their projected release is deceptive to me.
The above is my opinion you may not agree with it. You can debate me all you want but you can not provide me with enough evidence to change my mind at this point in time. When/if adventurine say ok DF will be out in 4/12/09 and from feb.-Mar. they start showing what fans/sceptics want to see coupled with an CB NDA lift and an OB with reveiws a good month before release then I will say Adventurine is proud/confident of their work they want everyone to see what game they have made. Then I will say they have nothing to hide.
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Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...
I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.
Ok somewhat common ground on arrogant so I will leave that alone.
IMO and only my opinion, this is why I say shady and deceptive. First Adventurine gives out "video koolaid" in what, around august/september. Then virtually nothing since. The video showed virtually nothing important, in way of gameplay, UI etc. All it did was confirm that there is a game called Darkfall, and thats debatable amoung some people. to me thats is shady, even AoC gave us gameplay footage several months before release. I wont get into the vaporware discussion, as thats a sad discussion. If they think its vapor or not, its their opinion.
Now I think its highly deceptive to let just two people in CB with the NDA lifted. Why 2? why not more? Why not let all major game sites in and let them write what the feel? Like what someone said in an earlier post the CB reveiws are extremly generous to begin with. To me it smells like something is being hidden. Ok for 1 minute you have this small company, you may not be able to afford advertisements and your product is due out in 08. You have this great product works great, does what it says. Are you going to keep it hidden away until it hits the shelves in 08, or let major retaliers try it out and let them spread the word for you? Same senario this time, execpt this time you suposidly have this great product but some things in it just doesnt work like you intended on it doing. This just might ruin your entire product. Now are you going to run around showcasing your product or will you try to keep it low key while atempting to fixing it. Ok back on topic. I just have a gut feeling that they are hidding something, and that it wont be out in 08. This is why I say deceptive. I had this same feeling with AoC and they were hidding alot. I have been around the MMO market long enough to know if a company is confident about their work, they dont keep it hidden regaurdless of korean, japanese, EU, NA, devs. While on the other hand seeing a company hidding important "stuff" this close to their projected release is deceptive to me.
The above is my opinion you may not agree with it. You can debate me all you want but you can not provide me with enough evidence to change my mind at this point in time. When/if adventurine say ok DF will be out in 4/12/09 and from feb.-Mar. they start showing what fans/sceptics want to see coupled with an CB NDA lift and an OB with reveiws a good month before release then I will say Adventurine is proud/confident of their work they want everyone to see what game they have made. Then I will say they have nothing to hide.
the nda wasnt tech lifted it wa slike half lifted LOL
they cant answer things about gameplay or anything it was just for a review thats it.
if they wanted to get critisim they would. they know when they see a good game . granted its not goign ot be perfect in every aspect but i dont think they was looking for perfection they was looking for a game that actully works for once. i hgihly doubt they said youc ant say nothing negative because if that was the case they woulda blew the coverd right then and there about it. thats why they went.
If the game wasnt even close to be finished nor having most of the features redy I'd think betaleaks would be a natural step from a tester.
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
Does anyone actually believe everything DF has claimed?
Considering they have yet to prove that 90% of the games features even exist in any kind of functional manner 1 month before a release and have yet to even hold a public beta?
Exactly, I like what I see and hear about DF and I am keen to try it - I do think it will be half decent too. It's all to easy to gloss over important things like we are talking about when your on cloud nine with some new news released. Been there myself Shame some don't want to actually take in the evidence. As for scaredgirl - actually been reported for multiple accounts (some 20 + created here) can't take anything he says seriously. I forwarded details through the right channels - just so your aware.
What a surprise. This is what you always do when you can't handle the discussion. It's a cowards way out. I really hoped you would stay at AoC forums. If you start posting regurlarly at DF forums, I'm deleting my MMORPG.com account and going to another gaming forum. I'm sick and tired of people who instead of joining the discussion just push the report button.
On topic.. I think Aventurine did the same mistake as most of the other devs have done in the past - they tried to implement too many features. However if they can deliver 50% of what they promised I will be happy. And unlike FC, they don't have a guy like Erling Ellingsen lying and hyping up the game with all these features.
----------------------------- Originally posted by Frobner "Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Exactly, I like what I see and hear about DF and I am keen to try it - I do think it will be half decent too. It's all to easy to gloss over important things like we are talking about when your on cloud nine with some new news released. Been there myself Shame some don't want to actually take in the evidence. As for scaredgirl - actually been reported for multiple accounts (some 20 + created here) can't take anything he says seriously. I forwarded details through the right channels - just so your aware.
What a surprise. This is what you always do when you can't handle the discussion. It's a cowards way out. I really hoped you would stay at AoC forums. If you start posting regurlarly at DF forums, I'm deleting my MMORPG.com account and going to another gaming forum. I'm sick and tired of people who instead of joining the discussion just push the report button.
On topic.. I think Aventurine did the same mistake as most of the other devs have done in the past - they tried to implement too many features. However if they can deliver 50% of what they promised I will be happy. And unlike FC, they don't have a guy like Erling Ellingsen lying and hyping up the game with all these features.
umm it snot you with the alot accounts lol. actulyl aventurine has gotten the promise features in except for like 1, do you no why the other companys cant get ther efeatures in before release because they have publishrs breathing down there necks
No, I don't think Df will have all the promised features. Partially this is due to the fact that nobody knows which exactly are the "promised" features.
The information about the game is ranging wildly from somewhere 2003 until only recently, with alot of old stuff never chagend, taken out or corrected. This leads to a state where people are trying to make their own individual "gem" out of this game...just look at discussions on the game's own forum.
In that light, DF will be unable to fulfill all that, no way around it. Along with that, it will always provide enough rough edges for the professional forum fighters to attach to.
But, - if it only manages to deliver on the very core statements, this will be more than worth a try on my end, as it will stll make the game unique in the genre as far as released games go.
Sure, it will have to take flak anyway, as there will be loads of unhappy people. this however is a syndrome the genre is suffering from in general these days. The overall attitude of MMO gamers changed bigtime. Many will never find a title for their liking, as the fun for them, knowingly or unknowingly, in reality is game hopping, not really staying longterm with one game, in many cases connected to the questionable fun of bashing and cursing on some forum.
Be it so, there's room for everybody's preference. If grumpiness is fun, go for it. I prefer happyness and I really hope to see DF to at least check it out before I do my own judgement.
i think Tasos spins everything in a positive light, but he doesn't grossly exaggerate. A lot of people do over-read however...
yes i believe the game will have all the major features that have been specifically described as being in the game.
yes if they have invested as much time and effort into the server code and with the appropriate server hardware then yes i believe they should be able to manage their 10K+ players in a server instance.
EVE regularly manages 35K+ in a single server instance but there are many things to consider:
1) EVE server cluster hardware is pretty high end, we don't know how big DF's clusters will be, i'm sure they will be testing that in the public beta.
2) EVE's server code is written in python (a fairly slow scripting language); DF's backend is written in much much faster (and scalable/tweakable) java/c++.
3) DF's server code is more advanced than EVE's -- EVE's zones are restricted to a single node in the cluster; DF's aren't.
4) EVE's combat system is not real-time. the demands of a real-time combat system are much higher.
that said, it's clear that 10K+ simultaneously connected clients is well possible, the real question is at what point does the combat performance degrade? then you just set the max number of clients just below that number and everything's sweet.
No, I don't think Df will have all the promised features. Partially this is due to the fact that nobody knows which exactly are the "promised" features. The information about the game is ranging wildly from somewhere 2003 until only recently, with alot of old stuff never chagend, taken out or corrected. This leads to a state where people are trying to make their own individual "gem" out of this game...just look at discussions on the game's own forum. In that light, DF will be unable to fulfill all that, no way around it. Along with that, it will always provide enough rough edges for the professional forum fighters to attach to. But, - if it only manages to deliver on the very core statements, this will be more than worth a try on my end, as it will stll make the game unique in the genre as far as released games go.
Sure, it will have to take flak anyway, as there will be loads of unhappy people. this however is a syndrome the genre is suffering from in general these days. The overall attitude of MMO gamers changed bigtime. Many will never find a title for their liking, as the fun for them, knowingly or unknowingly, in reality is game hopping, not really staying longterm with one game, in many cases connected to the questionable fun of bashing and cursing on some forum. Be it so, there's room for everybody's preference. If grumpiness is fun, go for it. I prefer happyness and I really hope to see DF to at least check it out before I do my own judgement.
if u go http://darkfallonline.com/features/ and click on each one of those big blocks of text those are whats considered promised features, i know there vague but there just selling points and if those selling points are true and implemented correctly then id be very happy
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
if u go http://darkfallonline.com/features/ and click on each one of those big blocks of text those are whats considered promised features, i know there vague but there just selling points and if those selling points are true and implemented correctly then id be very happy
3 stars and only 40 posts OH RIGHT
3 stars and less than half that :P
Anyway, according to beta statements the core promised features (like being able to craft everything, open pvp, player skill in pvp, everything other than the depth of pvp b/c they haven't tested it yet) are true. We don't know how they will do with 10k+ people and how they are balanced, and we definitely won't know till release/open beta (my estimate is that if DF will release this year, this date will be December 10thish with a weeklong open beta for stress tests) but the final implimentation of the game's features is a mystery in EVERY upcoming game, not just DF.
And YES BETA IZ REALz! There was a leak in this and many other forums before the big Tasos update, that said beta has better than expected graphics, runs smoothly with no bugs, and has godaweful UI. No one believed (including me) because he had no proof. When Tasos' super update came by, they mirrored what the leaker said basically, the main sentiment from graphics was that it was better than expected, everyone lauded the performance of the client, and the biggest criticism of the beta was the UI. Also, according to the player testimonies posted by Tasos, the DF community identified some of the people from their speech oddities (like awesomesauce :P )
Sure this may be all a hoax created by Tasos but there's a thin line between skepticism and stupidity.
if u go http://darkfallonline.com/features/ and click on each one of those big blocks of text those are whats considered promised features, i know there vague but there just selling points and if those selling points are true and implemented correctly then id be very happy
3 stars and only 40 posts OH RIGHT
3 stars and less than half that :P
Anyway, according to beta statements the core promised features (like being able to craft everything, open pvp, player skill in pvp, everything other than the depth of pvp b/c they haven't tested it yet) are true. We don't know how they will do with 10k+ people and how they are balanced, and we definitely won't know till release/open beta (my estimate is that if DF will release this year, this date will be December 10thish with a weeklong open beta for stress tests) but the final implimentation of the game's features is a mystery in EVERY upcoming game, not just DF.
And YES BETA IZ REALz! There was a leak in this and many other forums before the big Tasos update, that said beta has better than expected graphics, runs smoothly with no bugs, and has godaweful UI. No one believed (including me) because he had no proof. When Tasos' super update came by, they mirrored what the leaker said basically, the main sentiment from graphics was that it was better than expected, everyone lauded the performance of the client, and the biggest criticism of the beta was the UI. Also, according to the player testimonies posted by Tasos, the DF community identified some of the people from their speech oddities (like awesomesauce :P )
Sure this may be all a hoax created by Tasos but there's a thin line between skepticismfanboyism and stupidity.
When did I say that?? I hope this game is released soon and is as awesome as it sounds. I'll play it for sure if it is, but I havent seen proof of anything yet so Im still skeptical. And that last review with the Italian guys gave Adventurine a very shady image IMO.
the recent gameplay video has proved the game is real. but even so, I don't see how anyone can believe alot of the features DF has claimed. such as a seemless world that supports 10,000 simulatanous players. no way is a 10, 000 player first person shooter possible even without the rest of the gameplay.
Since they've given me no reason to be skeptical of what they say I do believe them and that they will do what they say. I might add I expect bumps in the road as with all mmos but they have yet to earn my distrust.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
When did I say that?? I hope this game is released soon and is as awesome as it sounds. I'll play it for sure if it is, but I havent seen proof of anything yet so Im still skeptical. And that last review with the Italian guys gave Adventurine a very shady image IMO.
Though mmorpg.it IS the biggest freaking mmo site in italy, I'll only agree with you for ONE reason, because all the screens had "Darkfall" on it, yeah this is probably due to some copyright but it would also mean that DF was kindof monitering everything that those guys were putting out. I don't know for sure though, its shady nonetheless. (not due to the lack of detail though, I mean it was a freaking closed beta review and many of the closed beta reports said that a lot of stuff isn't activiated yet.)
but what i put in my post from the last page is the reason I'm almost 100% sure closed beta isn't just something Tasos made up, it may be small but it exists.
I think this game will come out perfect. You know why?
Because these guys dont say nothing about there game ever . They want everyone to wonder and think. And they know what ppl are saying and they wont to make all ppl that say neg. things about this to eat it up.
They are so quit with this game that it has to be good.
Every othere mmo talks from the time they start to finish. Darkfall dont talk they produce!
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and sorry avery you dont just get to keep AoC out of this because you are embarrased...
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You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.
If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.
The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.
Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are
If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.
"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)
There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.
Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
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Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.
If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.
The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.
Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are
If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.
"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)
There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.
Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
Exactly, I like what I see and hear about DF and I am keen to try it - I do think it will be half decent too. It's all to easy to gloss over important things like we are talking about when your on cloud nine with some new news released. Been there myself
Shame some don't want to actually take in the evidence.
As for scaredgirl - actually been reported for multiple accounts (some 20 + created here) can't take anything he says seriously. I forwarded details through the right channels - just so your aware.
This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...
I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.
If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.
The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.
Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are
If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.
"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)
There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.
Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.
Im in this same group, Id love to see Aventurine pull off all their promises for Darkfall. But Im highly skeptical of this game. A small company with no development experience promises the biggest leap ahead in game play that weve ever seen? Factor in I think its fishy its taken them 8+ years to get to where they are. I also highly doubt this whole 08 release.
The fanbois are gettin their leashes pulled now btw, notice how many of em lack stars now. My guess is theyre getting warnings for this type of behavior.
Off topic abit: but how does the stars work? I see ppl with 1000's of post with 1 star while ppl less than 100 with max. Just curious how it works
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Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
nice so with the latest update arcken is now backpeddling to trying to attack people cause of their star ratings? awsome!
I had my stars removed when someone reported me for necro bumping a thread and a mod actually banned me. Oh and the post in question was the second post in the thread.....and the thread was made within an hour of my post....yea there goes some stars.
Also lost some for letting arcken-esque trolls bait me into getting into an argument and then they reported me after they baited me. my mistake though luckily stars mean absolutely nothing.
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There is an explanation in the faq about it, but there are some "wtf" moments with how they are calculated sometimes. I really wouldntn worry about it, will just frustrate you.
As we pointed out already, if you get a warning or ban or i think even quote someone's post who got removed, and therefor your post gets removed, you lose some points/stars.
I actually saw that tenspotting made a thread complaining about the star system and how his arent going up. when he is sitting at like -2 and i dont think he quite understands how it goes.
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This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...
I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.
Ok somewhat common ground on arrogant so I will leave that alone.
IMO and only my opinion, this is why I say shady and deceptive. First Adventurine gives out "video koolaid" in what, around august/september. Then virtually nothing since. The video showed virtually nothing important, in way of gameplay, UI etc. All it did was confirm that there is a game called Darkfall, and thats debatable amoung some people. to me thats is shady, even AoC gave us gameplay footage several months before release. I wont get into the vaporware discussion, as thats a sad discussion. If they think its vapor or not, its their opinion.
Now I think its highly deceptive to let just two people in CB with the NDA lifted. Why 2? why not more? Why not let all major game sites in and let them write what the feel? Like what someone said in an earlier post the CB reveiws are extremly generous to begin with. To me it smells like something is being hidden. Ok for 1 minute you have this small company, you may not be able to afford advertisements and your product is due out in 08. You have this great product works great, does what it says. Are you going to keep it hidden away until it hits the shelves in 08, or let major retaliers try it out and let them spread the word for you? Same senario this time, execpt this time you suposidly have this great product but some things in it just doesnt work like you intended on it doing. This just might ruin your entire product. Now are you going to run around showcasing your product or will you try to keep it low key while atempting to fixing it. Ok back on topic. I just have a gut feeling that they are hidding something, and that it wont be out in 08. This is why I say deceptive. I had this same feeling with AoC and they were hidding alot. I have been around the MMO market long enough to know if a company is confident about their work, they dont keep it hidden regaurdless of korean, japanese, EU, NA, devs. While on the other hand seeing a company hidding important "stuff" this close to their projected release is deceptive to me.
The above is my opinion you may not agree with it. You can debate me all you want but you can not provide me with enough evidence to change my mind at this point in time. When/if adventurine say ok DF will be out in 4/12/09 and from feb.-Mar. they start showing what fans/sceptics want to see coupled with an CB NDA lift and an OB with reveiws a good month before release then I will say Adventurine is proud/confident of their work they want everyone to see what game they have made. Then I will say they have nothing to hide.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...
I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.
Ok somewhat common ground on arrogant so I will leave that alone.
IMO and only my opinion, this is why I say shady and deceptive. First Adventurine gives out "video koolaid" in what, around august/september. Then virtually nothing since. The video showed virtually nothing important, in way of gameplay, UI etc. All it did was confirm that there is a game called Darkfall, and thats debatable amoung some people. to me thats is shady, even AoC gave us gameplay footage several months before release. I wont get into the vaporware discussion, as thats a sad discussion. If they think its vapor or not, its their opinion.
Now I think its highly deceptive to let just two people in CB with the NDA lifted. Why 2? why not more? Why not let all major game sites in and let them write what the feel? Like what someone said in an earlier post the CB reveiws are extremly generous to begin with. To me it smells like something is being hidden. Ok for 1 minute you have this small company, you may not be able to afford advertisements and your product is due out in 08. You have this great product works great, does what it says. Are you going to keep it hidden away until it hits the shelves in 08, or let major retaliers try it out and let them spread the word for you? Same senario this time, execpt this time you suposidly have this great product but some things in it just doesnt work like you intended on it doing. This just might ruin your entire product. Now are you going to run around showcasing your product or will you try to keep it low key while atempting to fixing it. Ok back on topic. I just have a gut feeling that they are hidding something, and that it wont be out in 08. This is why I say deceptive. I had this same feeling with AoC and they were hidding alot. I have been around the MMO market long enough to know if a company is confident about their work, they dont keep it hidden regaurdless of korean, japanese, EU, NA, devs. While on the other hand seeing a company hidding important "stuff" this close to their projected release is deceptive to me.
The above is my opinion you may not agree with it. You can debate me all you want but you can not provide me with enough evidence to change my mind at this point in time. When/if adventurine say ok DF will be out in 4/12/09 and from feb.-Mar. they start showing what fans/sceptics want to see coupled with an CB NDA lift and an OB with reveiws a good month before release then I will say Adventurine is proud/confident of their work they want everyone to see what game they have made. Then I will say they have nothing to hide.
the nda wasnt tech lifted it wa slike half lifted LOL
they cant answer things about gameplay or anything it was just for a review thats it.
if they wanted to get critisim they would. they know when they see a good game . granted its not goign ot be perfect in every aspect but i dont think they was looking for perfection they was looking for a game that actully works for once. i hgihly doubt they said youc ant say nothing negative because if that was the case they woulda blew the coverd right then and there about it. thats why they went.
If the game wasnt even close to be finished nor having most of the features redy I'd think betaleaks would be a natural step from a tester.
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
Considering they have yet to prove that 90% of the games features even exist in any kind of functional manner 1 month before a release and have yet to even hold a public beta?
No.
What a surprise. This is what you always do when you can't handle the discussion. It's a cowards way out. I really hoped you would stay at AoC forums. If you start posting regurlarly at DF forums, I'm deleting my MMORPG.com account and going to another gaming forum. I'm sick and tired of people who instead of joining the discussion just push the report button.
On topic.. I think Aventurine did the same mistake as most of the other devs have done in the past - they tried to implement too many features. However if they can deliver 50% of what they promised I will be happy. And unlike FC, they don't have a guy like Erling Ellingsen lying and hyping up the game with all these features.
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"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
What a surprise. This is what you always do when you can't handle the discussion. It's a cowards way out. I really hoped you would stay at AoC forums. If you start posting regurlarly at DF forums, I'm deleting my MMORPG.com account and going to another gaming forum. I'm sick and tired of people who instead of joining the discussion just push the report button.
On topic.. I think Aventurine did the same mistake as most of the other devs have done in the past - they tried to implement too many features. However if they can deliver 50% of what they promised I will be happy. And unlike FC, they don't have a guy like Erling Ellingsen lying and hyping up the game with all these features.
umm it snot you with the alot accounts lol. actulyl aventurine has gotten the promise features in except for like 1, do you no why the other companys cant get ther efeatures in before release because they have publishrs breathing down there necks
No, I don't think Df will have all the promised features. Partially this is due to the fact that nobody knows which exactly are the "promised" features.
The information about the game is ranging wildly from somewhere 2003 until only recently, with alot of old stuff never chagend, taken out or corrected. This leads to a state where people are trying to make their own individual "gem" out of this game...just look at discussions on the game's own forum.
In that light, DF will be unable to fulfill all that, no way around it. Along with that, it will always provide enough rough edges for the professional forum fighters to attach to.
But, - if it only manages to deliver on the very core statements, this will be more than worth a try on my end, as it will stll make the game unique in the genre as far as released games go.
Sure, it will have to take flak anyway, as there will be loads of unhappy people. this however is a syndrome the genre is suffering from in general these days. The overall attitude of MMO gamers changed bigtime. Many will never find a title for their liking, as the fun for them, knowingly or unknowingly, in reality is game hopping, not really staying longterm with one game, in many cases connected to the questionable fun of bashing and cursing on some forum.
Be it so, there's room for everybody's preference. If grumpiness is fun, go for it. I prefer happyness and I really hope to see DF to at least check it out before I do my own judgement.
i think Tasos spins everything in a positive light, but he doesn't grossly exaggerate. A lot of people do over-read however...
yes i believe the game will have all the major features that have been specifically described as being in the game.
yes if they have invested as much time and effort into the server code and with the appropriate server hardware then yes i believe they should be able to manage their 10K+ players in a server instance.
EVE regularly manages 35K+ in a single server instance but there are many things to consider:
1) EVE server cluster hardware is pretty high end, we don't know how big DF's clusters will be, i'm sure they will be testing that in the public beta.
2) EVE's server code is written in python (a fairly slow scripting language); DF's backend is written in much much faster (and scalable/tweakable) java/c++.
3) DF's server code is more advanced than EVE's -- EVE's zones are restricted to a single node in the cluster; DF's aren't.
4) EVE's combat system is not real-time. the demands of a real-time combat system are much higher.
that said, it's clear that 10K+ simultaneously connected clients is well possible, the real question is at what point does the combat performance degrade? then you just set the max number of clients just below that number and everything's sweet.
if u go http://darkfallonline.com/features/ and click on each one of those big blocks of text those are whats considered promised features, i know there vague but there just selling points and if those selling points are true and implemented correctly then id be very happy
3 stars and only 40 posts OH RIGHT
So far we have Darkfall running on :
1. Hype
2. Assumptions
3. Potential
4. Screenshots
5. Videos
So beta starts or ends in what 7 days?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
if u go http://darkfallonline.com/features/ and click on each one of those big blocks of text those are whats considered promised features, i know there vague but there just selling points and if those selling points are true and implemented correctly then id be very happy
3 stars and only 40 posts OH RIGHT
3 stars and less than half that :P
Anyway, according to beta statements the core promised features (like being able to craft everything, open pvp, player skill in pvp, everything other than the depth of pvp b/c they haven't tested it yet) are true. We don't know how they will do with 10k+ people and how they are balanced, and we definitely won't know till release/open beta (my estimate is that if DF will release this year, this date will be December 10thish with a weeklong open beta for stress tests) but the final implimentation of the game's features is a mystery in EVERY upcoming game, not just DF.
And YES BETA IZ REALz! There was a leak in this and many other forums before the big Tasos update, that said beta has better than expected graphics, runs smoothly with no bugs, and has godaweful UI. No one believed (including me) because he had no proof. When Tasos' super update came by, they mirrored what the leaker said basically, the main sentiment from graphics was that it was better than expected, everyone lauded the performance of the client, and the biggest criticism of the beta was the UI. Also, according to the player testimonies posted by Tasos, the DF community identified some of the people from their speech oddities (like awesomesauce :P )
Sure this may be all a hoax created by Tasos but there's a thin line between skepticism and stupidity.
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
if u go http://darkfallonline.com/features/ and click on each one of those big blocks of text those are whats considered promised features, i know there vague but there just selling points and if those selling points are true and implemented correctly then id be very happy
3 stars and only 40 posts OH RIGHT
3 stars and less than half that :P
Anyway, according to beta statements the core promised features (like being able to craft everything, open pvp, player skill in pvp, everything other than the depth of pvp b/c they haven't tested it yet) are true. We don't know how they will do with 10k+ people and how they are balanced, and we definitely won't know till release/open beta (my estimate is that if DF will release this year, this date will be December 10thish with a weeklong open beta for stress tests) but the final implimentation of the game's features is a mystery in EVERY upcoming game, not just DF.
And YES BETA IZ REALz! There was a leak in this and many other forums before the big Tasos update, that said beta has better than expected graphics, runs smoothly with no bugs, and has godaweful UI. No one believed (including me) because he had no proof. When Tasos' super update came by, they mirrored what the leaker said basically, the main sentiment from graphics was that it was better than expected, everyone lauded the performance of the client, and the biggest criticism of the beta was the UI. Also, according to the player testimonies posted by Tasos, the DF community identified some of the people from their speech oddities (like awesomesauce :P )
Sure this may be all a hoax created by Tasos but there's a thin line between skepticism fanboyism and stupidity.
fixed that for you. No need to thank me!
so you honestly don't think closed beta is real?
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
When did I say that?? I hope this game is released soon and is as awesome as it sounds. I'll play it for sure if it is, but I havent seen proof of anything yet so Im still skeptical. And that last review with the Italian guys gave Adventurine a very shady image IMO.
Since they've given me no reason to be skeptical of what they say I do believe them and that they will do what they say. I might add I expect bumps in the road as with all mmos but they have yet to earn my distrust.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
When did I say that?? I hope this game is released soon and is as awesome as it sounds. I'll play it for sure if it is, but I havent seen proof of anything yet so Im still skeptical. And that last review with the Italian guys gave Adventurine a very shady image IMO.
Though mmorpg.it IS the biggest freaking mmo site in italy, I'll only agree with you for ONE reason, because all the screens had "Darkfall" on it, yeah this is probably due to some copyright but it would also mean that DF was kindof monitering everything that those guys were putting out. I don't know for sure though, its shady nonetheless. (not due to the lack of detail though, I mean it was a freaking closed beta review and many of the closed beta reports said that a lot of stuff isn't activiated yet.)
but what i put in my post from the last page is the reason I'm almost 100% sure closed beta isn't just something Tasos made up, it may be small but it exists.
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
I think this game will come out perfect. You know why?
Because these guys dont say nothing about there game ever . They want everyone to wonder and think. And they know what ppl are saying and they wont to make all ppl that say neg. things about this to eat it up.
They are so quit with this game that it has to be good.
Every othere mmo talks from the time they start to finish. Darkfall dont talk they produce!
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