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Man wielding sword shot dead...
Zindaihas
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in Los Angeles in front of Scientology center.
Man, you WoW geeks take that game way too seriously.
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Dead men tell no tales.
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The Big Book of Scientology: Chapter the fifth- Death of a /b/tard.
My only thoughts are on what kind of sword it was.
.."Yarrhh! Come back here and lemee use mah claymore!"
The guy could have been a loonie. People in Japan go on sword rampages all the time- it could happen here. Maybe this was justified. Then again if the guy was dressed up as a character from a final fantasy game or some such sillyness- I dont think he went threre with the intent to slaughter and catch lead.
Wonder if this story will develop or will be forgotten with all thats going on- probably the latter.
What if it was Jesus coming back to save us all. He brought the "Sword of the Just" to show how love defeats violence. And then he gets shot dead by some minimum wage high school dropout with a gun. Oh woe is us.
since when do "security gaurds" have/use guns? I thought they had tasers and batons and loose change to call the real cops. Something doesnt exactly sound right.
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Hell- we had a security guard here in Detroit shoot at a purse snatcher as he ran away and wound up hitting some 8 year old kid in the arm. He was a guard for the big sunday service at a church. Stress, *was*
How much you want to bet that guy just got back from Iraq?
Uh, a lot of security guards use guns. Depends what kind of security. A lot of places contract out security to companies that deal in that sort of thing. Here in MO we have a company called Midwest Security. They drive around in patrol cars, carry guns, and have some pretty strict requirements on getting in - IE, you have to either have been a police officer for 2 years, or served in the armed forces for 2 years. They want people familiar with firearms in case they have to use them.
They patrol certain places they're hired to keep watch on. While that may not be a situation like what happened, it's a possibility because there are -plenty- of security guards licensed to carry firearms. Being a real security guard involves actually getting state certification in a lot of places.. not just sitting in a booth checking people in and out.
guessed he failed his saving throw
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Sword vs. gun... doesn't immediately come across as a fair fight...
Maybe he got lost on his way to a L.A.R.P. event, and thought he had stumbled on the gates of Mordor?
Shoulda had a +5 Defender Sword, not Vorpal.
He would have escaped if he had Transfer Pain activated, TBH IMO.
Maybe the Scientology cop thougt it was someone from an atagonist cult. "OMG i gotta save the leader!"
At least he is probably happy in heaven reading all the nerdy jokes that have come from his nerdy (and unusual) death.
Seems to me if he just had a sword..would it not be prudent to just shoot him in the leg...rather that a fatal death blow.
I'm just trying to think of situation with a guy coming at me with a sword.wtf would i do fatal death blow or a dropum shot.Guess it depends on how good of shot you are.
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That is the same thing I thought when I read this yesterday.
That is the same thing I thought when I read this yesterday.
And neither of you have ever fired a gun at a moving entity. Just a guess.
I saw a news update on this story yesterday. It turns out the guy who was shot was an ex-scientologist and was duel wielding swords. That means he had to be at least a level 20 psycho.
Heres their conversation
Man-w-Sword : Die Smilie!
Guard: WTF?!
Man-w-Sword: GERONIMO! *Running towards the guard*
Guard: ZOMG! *BANG*
Man-w-Sword: WTF?! *Tumbles like a stupid boy"
That is the same thing I thought when I read this yesterday.
And neither of you have ever fired a gun at a moving entity. Just a guess.
Assumptions are nice aren't they?
How bloody hard is it at point blank range to put a round in the lower part of a mans torso? This rent - a - cop should be able to put a round where he wants it. If not, what the hell is he doing with a job like this?
I also do not see any reason this rent - a - cop should not have spotted this guy with a sword / swords. Ninja jokes commence. Giving him enough time to process the situation. I realize given the human factor the chances of him not noticing this man until the last minute is likely. But then again that is his error and the rent - a - cop should be held accountable. Isn't that his job to be aware of his surroundings? I hate rent - a - cops with guns, the main reason is training that they are required to have and maintain for their job is minimal in the majority of company's who offer the service.
Granted, there is nothing non - leathal about a bullet entering the body. How about a Tazer? They drop anything living dead, in it's tracks. Even doped up meth heads who can take 6 bullets and keep going. Not to mention, tazers having very little risk for any lasting harm, minus the fall. Not to mention the "oh shit where is that bullet going to go if I miss or it exits the body."
Edited to add: I chatted with a security guard at a Grey Hound station in Nashville TN about 3 years ago. I was asking him about his job and what it required for him to carry his firearm. He said the only thing required was a permit, that's it. Makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing this out of shape phuck, with no training, who probably couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag (because of the shape he was in) had only one option.
That is the same thing I thought when I read this yesterday.
And neither of you have ever fired a gun at a moving entity. Just a guess.
Assumptions are nice aren't they?
How bloody hard is it at point blank range to put a round in the lower part of a mans torso? This rent - a - cop should be able to put a round where he wants it. If not, what the hell is he doing with a job like this?
I also do not see any reason this rent - a - cop should not have spotted this guy with a sword / swords. Ninja jokes commence. Giving him enough time to process the situation. I realize given the human factor the chances of him not noticing this man until the last minute is likely. But then again that is his error and the rent - a - cop should be held accountable. Isn't that his job to be aware of his surroundings? I hate rent - a - cops with guns, the main reason is training that they are required to have and maintain for their job is minimal in the majority of company's who offer the service.
Granted, there is nothing non - leathal about a bullet entering the body. How about a Tazer? They drop anything living dead in it's tracks. Having very little risk for any lasting harm, minus the fall. Not to mention the "oh shit where is that bullet going to go if I miss or it exits the body."
Well, when I took my firearm training for my license, we were taught that you never shoot to wound, you shoot to take them down. If a guy is coming at you enraged with a sword, your adrenaline is pumping, and you have seconds before he reaches you. You don't shoot for an arm or a leg, you shoot for the biggest area you can find: the chest.
And a tazer might not do much damage in that situation for many reasons, including whether the man was psychotic ( therefore not feeling pain or able to shrug it off easily), hopped up on PCP or some other high grade stimulant ( again, nullifying pain and increasing strength/endurance ).
In the eyes of the law, that sword is as much a lethal weapon as a gun. The security guard had every right under the law.
And sorry that apparently Nashville allows idiots easy access to guns and a badge. Here in California, we have a bit more requirements than "just a permit".
Edit: Also, an armed guard ( at least here in California ) has to use a "escalation of force scenarion" every time there's a confrontation.
For example, let's say I'm that guard in that situation and I have 4 weapons at my disposal: tear gas, baton, tazer, and gun.
In the seconds it takes for that guy to close the distance with me, I have to make a quick decision on the fastest way to take him down and difuse the threat.
1. Do I mace him? Will the gas blow back in my own face and possibly make me vulnerable to a deadly attack? He's obviously enraged, can I guarantee the mace will stop him cold? No.
2. Do I use the baton? How skilled is he with that sword? What are the chances my baton will defend against that sword? Not likely.
3. Do I tazer him? How much clothing is he wearing? Does he have a large area of skin exposed for the tazer hooks to make contact? Can I guarantee the taser will hit his hand or other small uncovered area? No.
4. Do I shoot him? Is he an immediate threat to myself and others around me? Yes. If he takes me down, is there a good chance he will hurt civilians also? Yes. Do I have a good chance of taking him down with the gun and difusing the situation? Definitely.
Guess what? I shoot him.
That is the same thing I thought when I read this yesterday.
And neither of you have ever fired a gun at a moving entity. Just a guess.
Assumptions are nice aren't they?
How bloody hard is it at point blank range to put a round in the lower part of a mans torso? This rent - a - cop should be able to put a round where he wants it. If not, what the hell is he doing with a job like this?
I also do not see any reason this rent - a - cop should not have spotted this guy with a sword / swords. Ninja jokes commence. Giving him enough time to process the situation. I realize given the human factor the chances of him not noticing this man until the last minute is likely. But then again that is his error and the rent - a - cop should be held accountable. Isn't that his job to be aware of his surroundings? I hate rent - a - cops with guns, the main reason is training that they are required to have and maintain for their job is minimal in the majority of company's who offer the service.
Granted, there is nothing non - leathal about a bullet entering the body. How about a Tazer? They drop anything living dead in it's tracks. Having very little risk for any lasting harm, minus the fall. Not to mention the "oh shit where is that bullet going to go if I miss or it exits the body."
Well, when I took my firearm training for my license, we were taught that you never shoot to wound, you shoot to take them down. If a guy is coming at you enraged with a sword, your adrenaline is pumping, and you have seconds before he reaches you. You don't shoot for an arm or a leg, you shoot for the biggest area you can find: the chest.
And a tazer might not do much damage in that situation for many reasons, including whether the man was psychotic ( therefore not feeling pain or able to shrug it off easily), hopped up on PCP or some other high grade stimulant ( again, nullifying pain and increasing strength/endurance ).
Isn't a Tazer's biggest selling point being that it will drop by anyone by shutting down the nerve system. Overloading it with electrical impulses at such a speed it causes every muscle to tense up? It has nothing to do with pain.
Training . Just think if cops shot every moron who ran at them.
I am not agianst firearms at all. I don't even know that I am against what happened here, since I don't and probably never will or care to know everything that took place. I just find this story / case rather odd for a number of reasons, that I think are / should be fairly obvious.
I am against people who rely soley on a firearm cause of their lack of training and or other resources.
Edit: Just wanted to say. If it sounds like I am screaming foul, I do not think I am really. It is more that I just look at everything from multiple perspectives.
That is the same thing I thought when I read this yesterday.
And neither of you have ever fired a gun at a moving entity. Just a guess.
Assumptions are nice aren't they?
How bloody hard is it at point blank range to put a round in the lower part of a mans torso? This rent - a - cop should be able to put a round where he wants it. If not, what the hell is he doing with a job like this?
I also do not see any reason this rent - a - cop should not have spotted this guy with a sword / swords. Ninja jokes commence. Giving him enough time to process the situation. I realize given the human factor the chances of him not noticing this man until the last minute is likely. But then again that is his error and the rent - a - cop should be held accountable. Isn't that his job to be aware of his surroundings? I hate rent - a - cops with guns, the main reason is training that they are required to have and maintain for their job is minimal in the majority of company's who offer the service.
Granted, there is nothing non - leathal about a bullet entering the body. How about a Tazer? They drop anything living dead in it's tracks. Having very little risk for any lasting harm, minus the fall. Not to mention the "oh shit where is that bullet going to go if I miss or it exits the body."
Well, when I took my firearm training for my license, we were taught that you never shoot to wound, you shoot to take them down. If a guy is coming at you enraged with a sword, your adrenaline is pumping, and you have seconds before he reaches you. You don't shoot for an arm or a leg, you shoot for the biggest area you can find: the chest.
And a tazer might not do much damage in that situation for many reasons, including whether the man was psychotic ( therefore not feeling pain or able to shrug it off easily), hopped up on PCP or some other high grade stimulant ( again, nullifying pain and increasing strength/endurance ).
Isn't a Tazer's biggest selling point being that it will drop by anyone by shutting down the nerve system. Overloading it with electrical impulses at such a speed it causes every muscle to tense up? It has nothing to do with pain.
Training . Just think if cops shot every moron who ran at them.
I am not agianst firearms at all. I don't even know that I am against what happened here, since I don't and probably never will or care to know everything that took place. I just find this story / case rather odd for a number of reasons, that I think are / should be fairly obvious.
I am against people who rely soley on a firearm cause of their lack of training and or other resources.
A tazer is worthless if it cannot get a good hook into skin. Clothing can and does make it ineffective. Also, drugs or psychosis also can make the tazer ineffective, the same as it can tear gas. Because they alter/deaden the nerve endings/pain receptors which a tazer targets.
And look at the 4 step process I detailed in my edit above. It is not an easy decision to shoot someone when you have other options. But sometimes you really have no other options.
That is the same thing I thought when I read this yesterday.
And neither of you have ever fired a gun at a moving entity. Just a guess.
Assumptions are nice aren't they?
How bloody hard is it at point blank range to put a round in the lower part of a mans torso? This rent - a - cop should be able to put a round where he wants it. If not, what the hell is he doing with a job like this?
I also do not see any reason this rent - a - cop should not have spotted this guy with a sword / swords. Ninja jokes commence. Giving him enough time to process the situation. I realize given the human factor the chances of him not noticing this man until the last minute is likely. But then again that is his error and the rent - a - cop should be held accountable. Isn't that his job to be aware of his surroundings? I hate rent - a - cops with guns, the main reason is training that they are required to have and maintain for their job is minimal in the majority of company's who offer the service.
Granted, there is nothing non - leathal about a bullet entering the body. How about a Tazer? They drop anything living dead in it's tracks. Having very little risk for any lasting harm, minus the fall. Not to mention the "oh shit where is that bullet going to go if I miss or it exits the body."
Well, when I took my firearm training for my license, we were taught that you never shoot to wound, you shoot to take them down. If a guy is coming at you enraged with a sword, your adrenaline is pumping, and you have seconds before he reaches you. You don't shoot for an arm or a leg, you shoot for the biggest area you can find: the chest.
And a tazer might not do much damage in that situation for many reasons, including whether the man was psychotic ( therefore not feeling pain or able to shrug it off easily), hopped up on PCP or some other high grade stimulant ( again, nullifying pain and increasing strength/endurance ).
Isn't a Tazer's biggest selling point being that it will drop by anyone by shutting down the nerve system. Overloading it with electrical impulses at such a speed it causes every muscle to tense up? It has nothing to do with pain.
Training . Just think if cops shot every moron who ran at them.
I am not agianst firearms at all. I don't even know that I am against what happened here, since I don't and probably never will or care to know everything that took place. I just find this story / case rather odd for a number of reasons, that I think are / should be fairly obvious.
I am against people who rely soley on a firearm cause of their lack of training and or other resources.
A tazer is worthless if it cannot get a good hook into skin. Clothing can and does make it ineffective. Also, drugs or psychosis also can make the tazer ineffective, the same as it can tear gas.
And look at the 4 step process I detailed in my edit above. It is not an easy decision to shoot someone when you have other options. But sometimes you really have no other options.
The hook bit is a good point. Maybe that won't be an issue in the near future supposedly they have been working on a self contained tazer shotgun round.
That is the same thing I thought when I read this yesterday.
And neither of you have ever fired a gun at a moving entity. Just a guess.
Assumptions are nice aren't they?
How bloody hard is it at point blank range to put a round in the lower part of a mans torso? This rent - a - cop should be able to put a round where he wants it. If not, what the hell is he doing with a job like this?
I also do not see any reason this rent - a - cop should not have spotted this guy with a sword / swords. Ninja jokes commence. Giving him enough time to process the situation. I realize given the human factor the chances of him not noticing this man until the last minute is likely. But then again that is his error and the rent - a - cop should be held accountable. Isn't that his job to be aware of his surroundings? I hate rent - a - cops with guns, the main reason is training that they are required to have and maintain for their job is minimal in the majority of company's who offer the service.
Granted, there is nothing non - leathal about a bullet entering the body. How about a Tazer? They drop anything living dead in it's tracks. Having very little risk for any lasting harm, minus the fall. Not to mention the "oh shit where is that bullet going to go if I miss or it exits the body."
Well, when I took my firearm training for my license, we were taught that you never shoot to wound, you shoot to take them down. If a guy is coming at you enraged with a sword, your adrenaline is pumping, and you have seconds before he reaches you. You don't shoot for an arm or a leg, you shoot for the biggest area you can find: the chest.
And a tazer might not do much damage in that situation for many reasons, including whether the man was psychotic ( therefore not feeling pain or able to shrug it off easily), hopped up on PCP or some other high grade stimulant ( again, nullifying pain and increasing strength/endurance ).
Isn't a Tazer's biggest selling point being that it will drop by anyone by shutting down the nerve system. Overloading it with electrical impulses at such a speed it causes every muscle to tense up? It has nothing to do with pain.
Training . Just think if cops shot every moron who ran at them.
I am not agianst firearms at all. I don't even know that I am against what happened here, since I don't and probably never will or care to know everything that took place. I just find this story / case rather odd for a number of reasons, that I think are / should be fairly obvious.
I am against people who rely soley on a firearm cause of their lack of training and or other resources.
A tazer is worthless if it cannot get a good hook into skin. Clothing can and does make it ineffective. Also, drugs or psychosis also can make the tazer ineffective, the same as it can tear gas.
And look at the 4 step process I detailed in my edit above. It is not an easy decision to shoot someone when you have other options. But sometimes you really have no other options.
The hook bit is a good point. Maybe that won't be an issue in the near future supposedly they have been working on a self contained tazer shotgun round.
Well, now see, that's a good thing to bring up. Since we already have rubber bullets, yet only law enforcement ( not security ) are allowed to use them ( this is due toi the rubber shells and also bean bag ammo being designed for shotgun use, whereas private security is allowed pistols only for one ). Would be nice for more non-lethal alternatives for private security. In all the years I've been in the security industry, as both an employed guard and then business owner, I've had to draw my gun maybe 3 times ( in roughly 17 years ). And fortunately, I've never had to fire it at a living person. But it's always something in the back of my mind every time I put the holster on.