He didn't say Aventurine make fusion power, did he? No, he didn't, he said EA, Turbine and Blizzard don't innovate. Which they don't. No wonder some people might call you a "troll". To be honest Aventurine does not innovate anything, old engine, old concepts from UO no innovation there. And again, never said Aventurine innovate. I said EA, etc, don't. Also, Aventurine made their own engine. How is that proof of their lack of innovation? His point was - if you don't even know the name of the company, chances are you don't know the first thing about the game.
It was a stupid point on his part though. You only need to read your posts to know you don't know anything about Aventurine.
But I envy you. I wish I had never heard about EA, everything they've ever made is a disappointment.
There is definetly something wrong when you have to resort to fanbois to know anything about the company there is no information about that company ANYWHERE. Because the company formed to create Darkfall..? Of course there isn't any info about the company, it hasn't done anything asides Darkfall! See my above post - you think Aventurine are made of rookie programmers just out of uni? That none of them have ever worked on a game before!? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Just shows how very little you know about Aventurine!
That "HAHAHAHA" really proved there are professional programmers that worked on a "AAA" title before working in ,DF can you name 5 programmers working on DF and their previous company's/known projects? You want me to trudge around the internet looking for CVs posted in Greek/Norwegian, assuming they've posted them online at all? No. Besides, there was a post on here not long ago detailing some of Tasos' work history that was immediately denounced by trolls as being 'unverifiably and therefore undoubtably wrong'. Just for laughs, go get me the CVs of 5 of CCP's (of EVE fame) programmers. Go on, if finding 5 Greek/Norwegian CVs on the internet is as easy as you make it out to be, I'm sure you can find me 5 CVs written in Icelandic? Yes, and until Darkfall releases we won't know if it's a LoTR or a DnL, so let's not baselessly assume things before then, eh?
Baselessly?!?! 1 Month from release on a game that has been confirmed by the all mighty Tasos himself aswell as by many fanbois as "FEATURE COMPLETE" and people are still questioning if its real/there is any beta. This is enough I would think to assume alot of things really, just not what you want to hear. No, people are not questioning if it's real. Trolls were questioning that it was real. The game has been played in front of live audiences and there have been beta-leaks. But not even the trolls are waving the 'g4m3 isnt r3al ti11 i haev it lol!!!1' card anymore, in face of the overwhelming evidence. It is feature complete and has running servers. What do you think the beta testers are playing on? Or are you another tin foiler? Hehehe.
What beta testers?! the friend of your friend who knows a guy? I like the "conspiracy theory remark" you made there, its a good way to put a shadow of doubt on the statement from OP very clever fanboi spinning, there is no conspiracy theory, simply no hard evidence everything I have seen/read could be easily fabricated or was conditioned to the company's supervision some would call that "biased" and unreliable. Greek news media reported on game. Game played in front of live audience. NDA -breaking leaks about the games. Biggest MMO site in eastern europe reviews the game. Greek government gives 10mil euros in funds.
But you're right, it could all be a conspiracy! All the people at the Athen's event, MMORPG.IT, the 'supposed' beta-leakers, and it goes all the way up to the GREEK GOVERNMENT! PUT YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON BEFORE THEY GET YOU!! I'd think the reputation of most 'reviewers' from gamespot and PCGamer would be reason enough not to go to them. Gamespot have been proven to change reviews based on bribes (amount of advertisement bought by companies on their site) and PCGamer are no better.
Also - MMORPG.it has a history. It's an Italian site, why is it so hard for you to comprehend that there are websites for other languages that you haven't heard of? Are you that small-minded? No matter how hard you wish that to be true it does not hold in the real world, if you want credibility you go to a credible source that is how it works, it also has been mentioned and quoted that the 2 admins were under alot of restrictions to what they could post and not (note the DF logo on the Screens as well) some would call that "biased". No, some would call it 'sensible' or, 'what every other MMO company ever has done'. Seriously, Blizzard/EA/whoever have never let reviewers have beta copies of their game then given them free reign to report on whatever they saw. Never. You got owned.
Had no counter to ownage.
Weak attempt at trolling.
Fail. I have seen this before on your "HAHAHA DF has professional programmers" You got owned. Had no counter to ownage. Nonsensical ranting about some previous owning I had delivered. Fail. No you wouldn't, you've already proven you don't trust websites not in English OR the Greek news media. Yep greek news and mmorpg.it that pretty much excludes all credible sources of information about gaming out there. Yep, the English-speaking world is the only credible source of gaming news. Sorry, hundreds of thousands of eastern-europeans, MMORPG.IT isn't credible because some random troll denounces it so! You got owned. Had no counter to ownage. Weak attempt at trolling by assuming the person you were quoting had no skepticism about Darkfall.
Fail. Again nothing to say some gibberish and calling people trolls as a defense as usual I can't use the truth as a defense anymore!? Oh god, I'll have to resort to the same tactics as the trolls if I can't use truth or logic anymore! 5 years. About the same amount of time we had to put up with hype about WoW, only for it to rescind countless ideas in favour of common denominatory favouring, idiot friendly crap.
Wow you really dont know the game has been in development and hyped for 7 years damn guess you dont know anything about DF after all. It's been in development for 5 years. Aventurine have worked on it for 5 years. They started from scratch. Ergo, development time = 5 years. It's really not complicated. You could say that about every game currently about to be released. Here, let's take an example;
OMG Dawn of War 2 looks too good to be true! I'm really excited about it! But wait... if it's too good to be true, it probably is! OMFG!!! I must let others know the truth, in the only way I know how - by trolling every DoW2 forum available!!! Imbecile. Doesnt reallly matter how I round this up you wont understand the difference between a credible game company and a shady one and whats likely to be release and whats not. But hey lemme know how DUKE NUKEM FOREVER turns out to be. Shady? You pick that word up from TenSpotting? I thought that was a favourite of his... wouldn't surprise me if he emailed all you trolls-in-training to say 'toally use teh word shday shady it is plerfect becuz its ambuambigio vogue enuf thta it cna mean anyfing!!1 also slim shady is my fav raper lol!!!1one'. Haha, you trolls crack me up!
I chuckle a little everytime someone tries to bring up company experience as a negative thing against Aventurine's chances of releasing a kick ass game. Very happy that that is what the naysayers are resorting to these days though.
i chuckle even more seeing all the frustration , the bickering, the hate towards the products of the so called "experienced developers" ...
Those experienct deveopers have brought us so many enjoyable and fun to play games as of lately ..we can't hide the pleasure playing them ...
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
"No, people are not questioning if it's real. Trolls were questioning that it was real. The game has been played in front of live audiences and there have been beta-leaks."
Didnt have to read any further than this, anyone questioning DF is a troll, this is the type of lunatics that are gonna make DF fall harder than it would otherwise if it ever releases...but what do I know its "FEATURE COMPLETE" and just needs stress testing so im patiently waiting for december to test it out.
Ok. So I got myself caught up. If I'm not mistaken the following are true. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong. Probably in a very angry, accusatory fashion.
1. The Beta is still closed, or so limited as to be closed.
2. MMORPG.com does not have a copy of the NDA
3. The clamor between people who think the game is vapor or even complete myth vs those who think it's open beta and release are imminent has reached a fevor pitch not seen since WWII.
Come on. Let's look closely at all the current mmo games. Let's look at the powerhouse companies like Sony, Turbine, Blizzard, EA, and all the rest. Companies that have infinitely more resources and credentials in making mmo games then does this never before heralded "Adventurine" company. Now let's take a close look at their list of features and some of the things that they promise will be included in this game. Things never before pulled off in an mmo.. and ummm Adventurine is going to pull all of this off?? ..Really? Okay wait. Let's be fair here. Let's take a look at a simple game or two that someone that's producing Darkfall has released. You know. A single player game that shows their ability to produce and program sophisticated AI for example. Anything. What's that?? No previous video games ever released from anyone working for Adventurine?!? Not even a simple "snake" or "Brick Wall" game?? Ah come on. Surely there is something to give us at least a small shred of hope out there! Supposedly a month before the promised retail launch to the public now and we still haven't got any CREDIBLE sources giving any accounts of their said game that they say is 'feature complete' and running without bugs. Not one gaming site like gamespot or PCGamer magazine huh? Nobody with any repuatation or serious credentials has given us an account of this amazing break-thru mmo yet huh? Doesn't this all put any shred of doubt into any of you fans heads? I mean come on. I know that I am not the great and mighty "Tasos" speaking here, but try and give me even a small fraction of the respect and trust you give to him here and apply just a little rational thought. How can some of you seriously not have any doubts at all? I don't know. Even with everything else not looked at or even considered... I have to take a look at their feature list and their promises and apply that age-old saying.. "If it sounds too good to be true, then more then likely it is". And call me crazy, but I trust that old adage way more then anything the mighty Tasos ever tells us. Silly me I guess.
- Zaxx
Almost all of the features in Darkfall were in very early MMOs, but they haven't been put into more modern ones. You know why? Because WoW proved all you need is a very simple and easy game to make billions, so no one bothers.
That's why all the REAL MMO players are dying for Darkfall, because we haven't had someone try to make a quality, and different MMO since 1999
So the millions of people playing WoW, EQ2, LoTRO, WAR, AOC, DDO, etc. are not REAL MMO players? Are they fake? I guess I am a fake MMO player. I guess I can only be real if I hop on the Darfall band wagon because of its proposed hardcore features. /cry
Nope, you are not a fake MMO player. You are a 2nd generation/new school/post-WoW/whatever you want to tag it MMO player.
To put the post you replied to in a better light. There are many of us who want an old school, retro 1st gen MMO done with modern tech, albeit, there are many less of us left than there are new MMO players. What WoW did was popularize MMOs to a level that is just amazing, but, by doing so, they've crippled the genre of MMO that some of us enjoy because they showed that there are BILLIONS waiting to be made and everyone wants to make the next WoW.
For the new WoW generation (not all are WoW players, it's just that without WoW there wouldn't be LoTRO, WAR, AoC, DDO, at least not in current form) there are plenty of games to choose from currently and lots more coming out. For us older MMO players we have the old games to throw back to or to wait on DF or Mortal.
Is this some kind of retarded joke? Hundreds of games a year are released by dev companies as their debut product. You would have to be stupid to not know that. Look at that big list to the left of your screen and you will find many examples in the mmorpg genre. Too good to be true would be "This is the best mmorpg ever and we will pay $100 you an hour to play it, and it doesn't have ads"
Hell, too good to be true would be it's the best MMO ever and they pay you $100 an hour to play with ads.
He didn't say Aventurine make fusion power, did he? No, he didn't, he said EA, Turbine and Blizzard don't innovate. Which they don't. No wonder some people might call you a "troll". To be honest Aventurine does not innovate anything, old engine, old concepts from UO no innovation there. And again, never said Aventurine innovate. I said EA, etc, don't. Also, Aventurine made their own engine. How is that proof of their lack of innovation? His point was - if you don't even know the name of the company, chances are you don't know the first thing about the game.
It was a stupid point on his part though. You only need to read your posts to know you don't know anything about Aventurine.
But I envy you. I wish I had never heard about EA, everything they've ever made is a disappointment.
There is definetly something wrong when you have to resort to fanbois to know anything about the company there is no information about that company ANYWHERE. Because the company formed to create Darkfall..? Of course there isn't any info about the company, it hasn't done anything asides Darkfall! See my above post - you think Aventurine are made of rookie programmers just out of uni? That none of them have ever worked on a game before!? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Just shows how very little you know about Aventurine!
That "HAHAHAHA" really proved there are professional programmers that worked on a "AAA" title before working in ,DF can you name 5 programmers working on DF and their previous company's/known projects? You want me to trudge around the internet looking for CVs posted in Greek/Norwegian, assuming they've posted them online at all? No. Besides, there was a post on here not long ago detailing some of Tasos' work history that was immediately denounced by trolls as being 'unverifiably and therefore undoubtably wrong'. Just for laughs, go get me the CVs of 5 of CCP's (of EVE fame) programmers. Go on, if finding 5 Greek/Norwegian CVs on the internet is as easy as you make it out to be, I'm sure you can find me 5 CVs written in Icelandic? Yes, and until Darkfall releases we won't know if it's a LoTR or a DnL, so let's not baselessly assume things before then, eh?
Baselessly?!?! 1 Month from release on a game that has been confirmed by the all mighty Tasos himself aswell as by many fanbois as "FEATURE COMPLETE" and people are still questioning if its real/there is any beta. This is enough I would think to assume alot of things really, just not what you want to hear. No, people are not questioning if it's real. Trolls were questioning that it was real. The game has been played in front of live audiences and there have been beta-leaks. But not even the trolls are waving the 'g4m3 isnt r3al ti11 i haev it lol!!!1' card anymore, in face of the overwhelming evidence. It is feature complete and has running servers. What do you think the beta testers are playing on? Or are you another tin foiler? Hehehe.
What beta testers?! the friend of your friend who knows a guy? I like the "conspiracy theory remark" you made there, its a good way to put a shadow of doubt on the statement from OP very clever fanboi spinning, there is no conspiracy theory, simply no hard evidence everything I have seen/read could be easily fabricated or was conditioned to the company's supervision some would call that "biased" and unreliable. Greek news media reported on game. Game played in front of live audience. NDA -breaking leaks about the games. Biggest MMO site in eastern europe reviews the game. Greek government gives 10mil euros in funds.
But you're right, it could all be a conspiracy! All the people at the Athen's event, MMORPG.IT, the 'supposed' beta-leakers, and it goes all the way up to the GREEK GOVERNMENT! PUT YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON BEFORE THEY GET YOU!! I'd think the reputation of most 'reviewers' from gamespot and PCGamer would be reason enough not to go to them. Gamespot have been proven to change reviews based on bribes (amount of advertisement bought by companies on their site) and PCGamer are no better.
Also - MMORPG.it has a history. It's an Italian site, why is it so hard for you to comprehend that there are websites for other languages that you haven't heard of? Are you that small-minded? No matter how hard you wish that to be true it does not hold in the real world, if you want credibility you go to a credible source that is how it works, it also has been mentioned and quoted that the 2 admins were under alot of restrictions to what they could post and not (note the DF logo on the Screens as well) some would call that "biased". No, some would call it 'sensible' or, 'what every other MMO company ever has done'. Seriously, Blizzard/EA/whoever have never let reviewers have beta copies of their game then given them free reign to report on whatever they saw. Never. You got owned.
Had no counter to ownage.
Weak attempt at trolling.
Fail. I have seen this before on your "HAHAHA DF has professional programmers" You got owned. Had no counter to ownage. Nonsensical ranting about some previous owning I had delivered. Fail. No you wouldn't, you've already proven you don't trust websites not in English OR the Greek news media. Yep greek news and mmorpg.it that pretty much excludes all credible sources of information about gaming out there. Yep, the English-speaking world is the only credible source of gaming news. Sorry, hundreds of thousands of eastern-europeans, MMORPG.IT isn't credible because some random troll denounces it so! You got owned. Had no counter to ownage. Weak attempt at trolling by assuming the person you were quoting had no skepticism about Darkfall.
Fail. Again nothing to say some gibberish and calling people trolls as a defense as usual I can't use the truth as a defense anymore!? Oh god, I'll have to resort to the same tactics as the trolls if I can't use truth or logic anymore! 5 years. About the same amount of time we had to put up with hype about WoW, only for it to rescind countless ideas in favour of common denominatory favouring, idiot friendly crap.
Wow you really dont know the game has been in development and hyped for 7 years damn guess you dont know anything about DF after all. It's been in development for 5 years. Aventurine have worked on it for 5 years. They started from scratch. Ergo, development time = 5 years. It's really not complicated. You could say that about every game currently about to be released. Here, let's take an example;
OMG Dawn of War 2 looks too good to be true! I'm really excited about it! But wait... if it's too good to be true, it probably is! OMFG!!! I must let others know the truth, in the only way I know how - by trolling every DoW2 forum available!!! Imbecile. Doesnt reallly matter how I round this up you wont understand the difference between a credible game company and a shady one and whats likely to be release and whats not. But hey lemme know how DUKE NUKEM FOREVER turns out to be. Shady? You pick that word up from TenSpotting? I thought that was a favourite of his... wouldn't surprise me if he emailed all you trolls-in-training to say 'toally use teh word shday shady it is plerfect becuz its ambuambigio vogue enuf thta it cna mean anyfing!!1 also slim shady is my fav raper lol!!!1one'. Haha, you trolls crack me up!
Darkfall aside, I can't believe there's still someone so fucking stupid that thinks that having a long history in game development is somekind of assurance of quality. See that list on the left? Most of those are either failures or just copies of each other (with a different skin), and many of those tittles are from big, experienced companies. With EVE online as a shining star, developed by a newb company that prior to EVE had only made one board game (with a staff that had very little experience about computer games).
Fuck big game companies, what we need is more indies. If Aventurine fails, have fun sucking those WoW tits for the next 10 years.
Nope, you are not a fake MMO player. You are a 2nd generation/new school/post-WoW/whatever you want to tag it MMO player. To put the post you replied to in a better light. There are many of us who want an old school, retro 1st gen MMO done with modern tech, albeit, there are many less of us left than there are new MMO players. What WoW did was popularize MMOs to a level that is just amazing, but, by doing so, they've crippled the genre of MMO that some of us enjoy because they showed that there are BILLIONS waiting to be made and everyone wants to make the next WoW. For the new WoW generation (not all are WoW players, it's just that without WoW there wouldn't be LoTRO, WAR, AoC, DDO, at least not in current form) there are plenty of games to choose from currently and lots more coming out. For us older MMO players we have the old games to throw back to or to wait on DF or Mortal.
I agree with most of your points, Except the DDO point.. I don't think DDO falls into the WoW catagory. I believe it lies more at the roots of MMORPGs.. the RPG part.. where you actually QUEST.. If the quests are only instanced.. it's a kin to REAL dungeons and dragons.. VS the virtual Epeen that most games equate to.
Wow lowered the bar for players.. sadly.. the root most people take is the easiest one..
"Luckily I know that while you make nonsnese baiting threads that get locked....threads I make get sticked by the mods on this forum...." -imbant (greatest board warrior EVER) Darkfall Countdown: http://darkfallreleasedate.com/
I think they'll deliver...the issue will be keeping them from selling out to carebears and starting to soften the game.
Probably the most accurate post in the thread.
Will DF have some disappointments? Probably. Especially people expecting anything like WOW.
Will DF have some amazing, awe-inspiring moments? Probably. I think the 'environmental' stuff in Darkfall (wind/weather/shadows/sunsets/sunrises) is pretty underrated and will blow people away in-game.
Regardless, the MMO industry *needs* more variety and more innovation, and DF is going where the 'big' companies are too scared to go.
if DF delivers decent gameplay, it will be a hit, no doubt about it. it's biggest limitation -- subscriber number-wise -- will come from the full-loot, friendly-fire aspect.
Will they have to soften up the game somewhat? eg: more roaming NPC guards around towns? yeah maybe, and i'm ok with it; the fundamentals of the game are strong and a working, living game with a few adjustments is better than a hardcore game with noone playing.
yea they are pretty bad here, but make for a good laugh.
most of them think they are actually doing any good here by leading people away from the game...while that is sad in itself...its even worse because they are so bad at it that only other trolls listen to them. if anything they are promoting their game with their nonsense because people see posts from tsistulic, miagisan, superd etc and go....
"wow if people are that scared and take up so much of their time to put down a game, it must be really good and worth waiting for!"
Only a month a way from launch and still no hard info on the game....makes you wonder what they have "under the hood", not a very good sign IMO.
Dude are you crazy, this game is soo real. They have pics of their office building, if that isnt proof enough then ur a troll. They don't need proof, I'll believe anything u put on the internet.
I think I'll just follow the current trend with the quotes.
I gotta say there's no way I'd run out and buy this game or any other without a handfull of credible reviews from established gaming magizines/sites or a free trial. I've been burned too many times by buying into the hype and believing a dev or MMO company (AoC, VG, WAR, etc.). No more.
Do you think that what you say here makes any sense at all? Who do you think created the hype for the games you've listed? Wasn't it the magazines and the sites like this one here that did it? But now you're asking the same people to create hype for you to fall for? That's just... crazy.
I also agree that the secrecy surrounding this game is a huge red flag. Beta is unconfirmed at best. We're too close to the alleged release date for this nonsense. My spidey sense is definitely tingling on this one. I'm betting a ton of people run out and buy this game, they make a lot of money in box sales, and then the populations drop like AoC did when people start to realize the truth about the state of the game. Boy, I hope I'm wrong, but experience says otherwise.
The same "spidey sense" that prevented you for gettin in the AOC/WAR-trap?
Anyway, what I'm reading in the forums here over and over is contradictions, and a little bit of a proper and healthy skepticism.
Like one dude earlier in the big locked thread, who was complaining about the amount of time it took them to develope the game, and how it will suck because of it.
On the other hand, I'm sure that for the next unfinished mmo he will play, he will start whining about how they didn't take their time and finish the game before shipping it.
I'm hearing a lot lies about how the fanboys are getting rabid here, when the skeptics are doing exactly the same thing, and they have done it for a much longer time.
EDIT: And a very big thank you to the poster above for proving my ending paragraph.
Only a month a way from launch and still no hard info on the game....makes you wonder what they have "under the hood", not a very good sign IMO.
Dude are you crazy, this game is soo real. They have pics of their office building, if that isnt proof enough then ur a troll. They don't need proof, I'll believe anything u put on the internet.
Bad game??? you played it?? Oh no u didnt... ok your just being a whiney troll as usual.
You can't assume a small startup company is doomed in the products it puts out. Sure practice makes perfect but if you get a couple of good project management heads onto a team of folks who have the abilities if not the experience, many good things can happen.
My biggest concern is server/cluster deployment (or lack of). I've read that US players are testing it and that likely so but theres a big difference to routing 50K or 100K people to a single point that a few thousand testers. I don't care how much stress testing you do.
I've been burned buy some of the impulse buy game DnL esp but also AoC. I certainly won't be playing it unless they offer a free trial.
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Really? Are you trying to make a point here? Apart for the fact that you show how much of a rabid hater you are?
I gotta say there's no way I'd run out and buy this game or any other without a handfull of credible reviews from established gaming magizines/sites or a free trial. I've been burned too many times by buying into the hype and believing a dev or MMO company (AoC, VG, WAR, etc.). No more. I also agree that the secrecy surrounding this game is a huge red flag. Beta is unconfirmed at best. We're too close to the alleged release date for this nonsense. My spidey sense is definitely tingling on this one. I'm betting a ton of people run out and buy this game, they make a lot of money in box sales, and then the populations drop like AoC did when people start to realize the truth about the state of the game. Boy, I hope I'm wrong, but experience says otherwise.
Yup, established gamer sites don't want to review this game because they see it for what it is, a steaming pile of junk that isn't even popular enough to review. No reason to be so secretive if the game their pushing is so awsome, we all know why their keeping everything a secret, because the game is junk. It's ok though, these df forums have kept me entertained for a while now, watching the fans hold on to the last bit of hope while the truth is revealed to them, so ty aventurine. The trolls have nothing to lose, I'm just having fun watching the fans lie to themselves. The fans have everything to lose + whatever df cost.
I gotta say there's no way I'd run out and buy this game or any other without a handfull of credible reviews from established gaming magizines/sites or a free trial. I've been burned too many times by buying into the hype and believing a dev or MMO company (AoC, VG, WAR, etc.). No more. I also agree that the secrecy surrounding this game is a huge red flag. Beta is unconfirmed at best. We're too close to the alleged release date for this nonsense. My spidey sense is definitely tingling on this one. I'm betting a ton of people run out and buy this game, they make a lot of money in box sales, and then the populations drop like AoC did when people start to realize the truth about the state of the game. Boy, I hope I'm wrong, but experience says otherwise.
Yup, established gamer sites don't want to review this game because they see it for what it is, a steaming pile of junk that isn't even popular enough to review. No reason to be so secretive if the game their pushing is so awsome, we all know why their keeping everything a secret, because the game is junk. It's ok though, these df forums have kept me entertained for a while now, watching the fans hold on to the last bit of hope while the truth is revealed to them, so ty aventurine. The trolls have nothing to lose, I'm just having fun watching the fans lie to themselves. The fans have everything to lose + whatever df cost.
Everything to lose? Are you that stupid? What have I lost? Money? Nope. Time? I've spend about the same time here as some of the "trolls" as you said them, most probably including you too.
Almost all of the features in Darkfall were in very early MMOs, but they haven't been put into more modern ones. You know why? Because WoW proved all you need is a very simple and easy game to make billions, so no one bothers. That's why all the REAL MMO players are dying for Darkfall, because we haven't had someone try to make a quality, and different MMO since 1999
So the millions of people playing WoW, EQ2, LoTRO, WAR, AOC, DDO, etc. are not REAL MMO players? Are they fake? I guess I am a fake MMO player. I guess I can only be real if I hop on the Darfall band wagon because of its proposed hardcore features. /cry
Nope, you are not a fake MMO player. You are a 2nd generation/new school/post-WoW/whatever you want to tag it MMO player.
To put the post you replied to in a better light. There are many of us who want an old school, retro 1st gen MMO done with modern tech, albeit, there are many less of us left than there are new MMO players. What WoW did was popularize MMOs to a level that is just amazing, but, by doing so, they've crippled the genre of MMO that some of us enjoy because they showed that there are BILLIONS waiting to be made and everyone wants to make the next WoW.
For the new WoW generation (not all are WoW players, it's just that without WoW there wouldn't be LoTRO, WAR, AoC, DDO, at least not in current form) there are plenty of games to choose from currently and lots more coming out. For us older MMO players we have the old games to throw back to or to wait on DF or Mortal.
I see a lot of MMOs in development that do not seem to follow the WoW model. I think companies are realizing that they are making less or losing money trying to copy WoW and make the big bucks, than if they did something different a bit and grabbed a lot of people that want something different.
Gives me a little hope for the future of the genre. A few years or so of stagnation, then hopefully a little diversity and a splash of innovation.
I see a lot of MMOs in development that do not seem to follow the WoW model. I think companies are realizing that they are making less or losing money trying to copy WoW and make the big bucks, than if they did something different a bit and grabbed a lot of people that want something different. Gives me a little hope for the future of the genre. A few years or so of stagnation, then hopefully a little diversity and a splash of innovation.
Unfortunately that trent is from the smaller companies. Most of the big ones believe that because they have an established name they can hit Blizzard in their turf, which just means that the big companies don't have a very good picture about the MMO genre, and from there you can say that they can't really make a good MMO. I'm sure this will be the case with Bioware's game also.
With the official release date less than (or approximately) one month away, maybe ease off on the bashing and we'll all find out the truth in due time?
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i chuckle even more seeing all the frustration , the bickering, the hate towards the products of the so called "experienced developers" ...
Those experienct deveopers have brought us so many enjoyable and fun to play games as of lately ..we can't hide the pleasure playing them ...
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"No, people are not questioning if it's real. Trolls were questioning that it was real. The game has been played in front of live audiences and there have been beta-leaks."
Didnt have to read any further than this, anyone questioning DF is a troll, this is the type of lunatics that are gonna make DF fall harder than it would otherwise if it ever releases...but what do I know its "FEATURE COMPLETE" and just needs stress testing so im patiently waiting for december to test it out.
Seeing as you've been wrong (and admitted it) about Darkfall on several occasions now, isn't time you kept quiet so as not to embarrass yourself?
Ok. So I got myself caught up. If I'm not mistaken the following are true. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong. Probably in a very angry, accusatory fashion.
1. The Beta is still closed, or so limited as to be closed.
2. MMORPG.com does not have a copy of the NDA
3. The clamor between people who think the game is vapor or even complete myth vs those who think it's open beta and release are imminent has reached a fevor pitch not seen since WWII.
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Is this some kind of retarded joke?
Hundreds of games a year are released by dev companies as their debut product. You would have to be stupid to not know that.
Look at that big list to the left of your screen and you will find many examples in the mmorpg genre.
Too good to be true would be "This is the best mmorpg ever and we will pay you $100 an hour to play it, and it doesn't have ads"
Almost all of the features in Darkfall were in very early MMOs, but they haven't been put into more modern ones. You know why? Because WoW proved all you need is a very simple and easy game to make billions, so no one bothers.
That's why all the REAL MMO players are dying for Darkfall, because we haven't had someone try to make a quality, and different MMO since 1999
So the millions of people playing WoW, EQ2, LoTRO, WAR, AOC, DDO, etc. are not REAL MMO players? Are they fake? I guess I am a fake MMO player. I guess I can only be real if I hop on the Darfall band wagon because of its proposed hardcore features. /cry
Nope, you are not a fake MMO player. You are a 2nd generation/new school/post-WoW/whatever you want to tag it MMO player.
To put the post you replied to in a better light. There are many of us who want an old school, retro 1st gen MMO done with modern tech, albeit, there are many less of us left than there are new MMO players. What WoW did was popularize MMOs to a level that is just amazing, but, by doing so, they've crippled the genre of MMO that some of us enjoy because they showed that there are BILLIONS waiting to be made and everyone wants to make the next WoW.
For the new WoW generation (not all are WoW players, it's just that without WoW there wouldn't be LoTRO, WAR, AoC, DDO, at least not in current form) there are plenty of games to choose from currently and lots more coming out. For us older MMO players we have the old games to throw back to or to wait on DF or Mortal.
I think they'll deliver...the issue will be keeping them from selling out to carebears and starting to soften the game.
Hell, too good to be true would be it's the best MMO ever and they pay you $100 an hour to play with ads.
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Darkfall aside, I can't believe there's still someone so fucking stupid that thinks that having a long history in game development is somekind of assurance of quality. See that list on the left? Most of those are either failures or just copies of each other (with a different skin), and many of those tittles are from big, experienced companies. With EVE online as a shining star, developed by a newb company that prior to EVE had only made one board game (with a staff that had very little experience about computer games).
Fuck big game companies, what we need is more indies. If Aventurine fails, have fun sucking those WoW tits for the next 10 years.
I agree with most of your points, Except the DDO point.. I don't think DDO falls into the WoW catagory. I believe it lies more at the roots of MMORPGs.. the RPG part.. where you actually QUEST.. If the quests are only instanced.. it's a kin to REAL dungeons and dragons.. VS the virtual Epeen that most games equate to.
Wow lowered the bar for players.. sadly.. the root most people take is the easiest one..
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Probably the most accurate post in the thread.
Will DF have some disappointments? Probably. Especially people expecting anything like WOW.
Will DF have some amazing, awe-inspiring moments? Probably. I think the 'environmental' stuff in Darkfall (wind/weather/shadows/sunsets/sunrises) is pretty underrated and will blow people away in-game.
Regardless, the MMO industry *needs* more variety and more innovation, and DF is going where the 'big' companies are too scared to go.
if DF delivers decent gameplay, it will be a hit, no doubt about it. it's biggest limitation -- subscriber number-wise -- will come from the full-loot, friendly-fire aspect.
Will they have to soften up the game somewhat? eg: more roaming NPC guards around towns? yeah maybe, and i'm ok with it; the fundamentals of the game are strong and a working, living game with a few adjustments is better than a hardcore game with noone playing.
Some of the dumbest trolls I've ever seen.
Aventurine is not credible?
OH SO WE SHOULD TRUST SOE, EA, FUNCOM, ETC....
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yea they are pretty bad here, but make for a good laugh.
most of them think they are actually doing any good here by leading people away from the game...while that is sad in itself...its even worse because they are so bad at it that only other trolls listen to them. if anything they are promoting their game with their nonsense because people see posts from tsistulic, miagisan, superd etc and go....
"wow if people are that scared and take up so much of their time to put down a game, it must be really good and worth waiting for!"
keep it up trolls!
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Dude are you crazy, this game is soo real. They have pics of their office building, if that isnt proof enough then ur a troll. They don't need proof, I'll believe anything u put on the internet.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
Anyway, what I'm reading in the forums here over and over is contradictions, and a little bit of a proper and healthy skepticism.
Like one dude earlier in the big locked thread, who was complaining about the amount of time it took them to develope the game, and how it will suck because of it.
On the other hand, I'm sure that for the next unfinished mmo he will play, he will start whining about how they didn't take their time and finish the game before shipping it.
I'm hearing a lot lies about how the fanboys are getting rabid here, when the skeptics are doing exactly the same thing, and they have done it for a much longer time.
EDIT: And a very big thank you to the poster above for proving my ending paragraph.
Dude are you crazy, this game is soo real. They have pics of their office building, if that isnt proof enough then ur a troll. They don't need proof, I'll believe anything u put on the internet.
Bad game??? you played it?? Oh no u didnt... ok your just being a whiney troll as usual.
You can't assume a small startup company is doomed in the products it puts out. Sure practice makes perfect but if you get a couple of good project management heads onto a team of folks who have the abilities if not the experience, many good things can happen.
My biggest concern is server/cluster deployment (or lack of). I've read that US players are testing it and that likely so but theres a big difference to routing 50K or 100K people to a single point that a few thousand testers. I don't care how much stress testing you do.
I've been burned buy some of the impulse buy game DnL esp but also AoC. I certainly won't be playing it unless they offer a free trial.
Really? Are you trying to make a point here? Apart for the fact that you show how much of a rabid hater you are?
Yup, established gamer sites don't want to review this game because they see it for what it is, a steaming pile of junk that isn't even popular enough to review. No reason to be so secretive if the game their pushing is so awsome, we all know why their keeping everything a secret, because the game is junk. It's ok though, these df forums have kept me entertained for a while now, watching the fans hold on to the last bit of hope while the truth is revealed to them, so ty aventurine. The trolls have nothing to lose, I'm just having fun watching the fans lie to themselves. The fans have everything to lose + whatever df cost.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
Yup, established gamer sites don't want to review this game because they see it for what it is, a steaming pile of junk that isn't even popular enough to review. No reason to be so secretive if the game their pushing is so awsome, we all know why their keeping everything a secret, because the game is junk. It's ok though, these df forums have kept me entertained for a while now, watching the fans hold on to the last bit of hope while the truth is revealed to them, so ty aventurine. The trolls have nothing to lose, I'm just having fun watching the fans lie to themselves. The fans have everything to lose + whatever df cost.
Everything to lose? Are you that stupid? What have I lost? Money? Nope. Time? I've spend about the same time here as some of the "trolls" as you said them, most probably including you too.
Again, what does that make you?
So the millions of people playing WoW, EQ2, LoTRO, WAR, AOC, DDO, etc. are not REAL MMO players? Are they fake? I guess I am a fake MMO player. I guess I can only be real if I hop on the Darfall band wagon because of its proposed hardcore features. /cry
Nope, you are not a fake MMO player. You are a 2nd generation/new school/post-WoW/whatever you want to tag it MMO player.
To put the post you replied to in a better light. There are many of us who want an old school, retro 1st gen MMO done with modern tech, albeit, there are many less of us left than there are new MMO players. What WoW did was popularize MMOs to a level that is just amazing, but, by doing so, they've crippled the genre of MMO that some of us enjoy because they showed that there are BILLIONS waiting to be made and everyone wants to make the next WoW.
For the new WoW generation (not all are WoW players, it's just that without WoW there wouldn't be LoTRO, WAR, AoC, DDO, at least not in current form) there are plenty of games to choose from currently and lots more coming out. For us older MMO players we have the old games to throw back to or to wait on DF or Mortal.
I see a lot of MMOs in development that do not seem to follow the WoW model. I think companies are realizing that they are making less or losing money trying to copy WoW and make the big bucks, than if they did something different a bit and grabbed a lot of people that want something different.
Gives me a little hope for the future of the genre. A few years or so of stagnation, then hopefully a little diversity and a splash of innovation.
Unfortunately that trent is from the smaller companies. Most of the big ones believe that because they have an established name they can hit Blizzard in their turf, which just means that the big companies don't have a very good picture about the MMO genre, and from there you can say that they can't really make a good MMO. I'm sure this will be the case with Bioware's game also.
With the official release date less than (or approximately) one month away, maybe ease off on the bashing and we'll all find out the truth in due time?