WHERE did you get that pic and is it available to be played?!
The game is being developed in Korea. No information on possibility of a release on western markets at all yet.
Cheers!
Well it seems to be confirmed that namco-bandai will be publishing DBO online in the west. If you're interested a good site for more info on DBO is www.dbmmo.com/
WHERE did you get that pic and is it available to be played?!
The game is being developed in Korea. No information on possibility of a release on western markets at all yet.
Cheers!
Well it seems to be confirmed that namco-bandai will be publishing DBO online in the west. If you're interested a good site for more info on DBO is www.dbmmo.com/
Heres to hoping they make it fun.
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I'm starting to wonder if people who try to say "Asian", the word "Anime" comes out of their mouth instead.
And we have a winner!! That's exactly what happens.
AGREED!!
Honestly, I get sick to death of people immediately making generalizations and sometimes just assumptions about a game's art style, and throwing about words that truly don't describe it accurately at all, just because it was made in Korea, Japan, or freaking Sweden, for that matter. That's just dopey! LOL In my opinion, Aion is not even REMOTELY anime. It's just very very good ARTWORK.
No I'm sorry, but I have to disagree yet again.
Things like Anime and Manga are very popular in the east (and here too for that matter). Art does not exist in a vacuum therefore it stands to reason that there will be influences. This is not a bad thing.
And, given that Anime actually encompasses a great range of styles, I think one could point to a variety of things that coud be Animesque.
So yes, it seems that Anime is originally Japanese. But is it so far beyond the pale to believe that other eastern countries have borrowed from it? Especially since my talks with some game makers informed me that they did actually borrow a lot from each other (not just cultures but other artists) and it was considerd fine to do so.
If one were to take a picture from final fantasy or Aion or Lineage 2 or any number of games or even from manga and show it to someone and then ask the question is this eastern or western, chances are people are going to say "eastern".
So sure, it might be technically incorrect to assume that Anime is chinese or Korean, but it does show that these games, movies, magazines have similarities among them.
I mean, there is a dragon ball Z hairstyle in Lineage 2 which is a Korean game after all.
The problem here is that everyone is so sure that art (or music, theater, etc) should be viewed in such exacting terms that they forget that it all can be viewed so differently depending on who is viewing it, where they are from and yes "when" they are from.
A friend of mine was ripping on the preraphaelites (I think waterhouse was part of the group but he could have been one of the influences/influenced by) as romantic clap trap.
What he didn't realize is that the preraphaelites were cutting edge modern artists who were shunned by the status quo. They had to beg, borrow and steal just to get their work seen in salons and many thought that they were just too modern.
Now you all look at that and you might grimace and say "modern?, hardly!", but that is the fact.
So there is a lot that goes into an artistic style and art borrows from so much of what is popular for a region that it is not really a bad thing for someone to call something as part of a movement, especially if that movement is borrowed from.
We seem to look at things with our 21st century eyes and want it to be so pure or so "from a certain style" that we might overlook that there is a lot of bleed through.
and Aion? Well, isn't the head Artist of Aion also the one who designed Lineage 2? I believe so. There are similarities that one can see.
So "is" Aion actually Anime? Well, I think Anime is supposed to refer to animated movies so no. But is it influenced by anime? I would say it is. This is not bad or wrong, it just is.
Yes Sovrath, there's no denying that Koreans copy Japanese art styles.
In fact, Japanese anime is extremely popular in Korea. So popular, many become art students so they can move to Japan and work for an Anime studio, just like the thousands whom already move there and work as cell paint artists and graphic designers. I wouldn't be surprised if one or most of the NC staff had a previous career there.
When I first saw Aion, I automatically assumed it was Korean made, if not, Japanese.
Why, you say?
Because western artists usually never include Asian-looking characters.
It's natural for an artist to make a figure that reflects him/herself. Same with Asian artists.
What I don't understand is how you can compare the art styles of FFXI and Lineage 2 with Aion. Regardless of whether or not it's the same artist, all I see is an enormous gap where Aion looks more human and realistic.
The real question is: if you take out all the Asian and obviously anime-looking toons out of the game, would everyone still call it Anime style?
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EXCELLENT intelligent, educated and informative posting there, my fellow gamer! BRAVO! I love it! And I do agree that there is obvious anime influence in the art style, I just don't agree with the poster that flat out called AION's art "anime."
And you are so correct about art, and "good" art (whatever defines good...heh), being essentially in the eyes of the beholder.
I get that the art style of AION does not appeal to everyone. My only disagreement was with sticking the "anime" label on it and dismissing it as what most Americans, at least, upon seeing the term "anime" attached to it, assume is manga. AION is definitlely NOT manga. Unfortunately, the North American exposure to anime is predominately to manga style cartoons, and when you throw out the word "anime," that is what most people think you are saying.
Loved your post. Very exciting to see something written based on obvious knowledge on the topic.
The real question is: if you take out all the Asian and obviously anime-looking toons out of the game, would everyone still call it Anime style?
Those characters are a part of the game, whether or not the game would be labelled differently without them is irrelevant because they are not going anywhere. This discussion is about those characters, obviously if they were removed the grounds for this argument would no longer exist but they do so its pointless to ask what if they weren't.
In regards to the discussion at hand, I have to agree with Sovrath. While yes, it is ignorant for people to see something that is obviously influenced by eastern art and label it as anime in the same way that people are labelled for the way they dress or their hairstyle. Art, people, and everything else for that matter can't be so easily put under such broad definitions since there are so many different blends of style and art in between.
Both looking at Aion's characters and reading information from developers give the impression of many different influences having gone into the game's artwork and anime just happens to be one of them.
The people that are arguing that the game isn't anime are making the same, just opposite, bias towards the game's artstyle. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it's something in between, much like everything else in this world. Most of you obviously like anime so Aion being influenced by it should be a good thing. To me, western game art, at least for mmo's is bland and has no flare, so I for one enjoy the creative artwork that has gone into Aion's character design.
Anyway as Sovrath said, things don't exist in a vacuum, they all blend and mix to create something new and unique so stop trying to put things under labels, thats what your complaining about in the first place anyway.
Yes Sovrath, there's no denying that Koreans copy Japanese art styles. In fact, Japanese anime is extremely popular in Korea. So popular, many become art students so they can move to Japan and work for an Anime studio, just like the thousands whom already move there and work as cell paint artists and graphic designers. I wouldn't be surprised if one or most of the NC staff had a previous career there.
When I first saw Aion, I automatically assumed it was Korean made, if not, Japanese. Why, you say? Because western artists usually never include Asian-looking characters. It's natural for an artist to make a figure that reflects him/herself. Same with Asian artists.
What I don't understand is how you can compare the art styles of FFXI and Lineage 2 with Aion. Regardless of whether or not it's the same artist, all I see is an enormous gap where Aion looks more human and realistic.
The real question is: if you take out all the Asian and obviously anime-looking toons out of the game, would everyone still call it Anime style?
I say that it is similar to L2 because many types of armor and weapons that I've seen utilize highly florid and ornamental inlay surrounded by a border or overlapping material. It's very clear to me that they are artistic successors.
The real question is: if you take out all the Asian and obviously anime-looking toons out of the game, would everyone still call it Anime style?
Those characters are a part of the game, whether or not the game would be labelled differently without them is irrelevant because they are not going anywhere. This discussion is about those characters, obviously if they were removed the grounds for this argument would no longer exist but they do so its pointless to ask what if they weren't.
In regards to the discussion at hand, I have to agree with Sovrath. While yes, it is ignorant for people to see something that is obviously influenced by eastern art and label it as anime in the same way that people are labelled for the way they dress or their hairstyle. Art, people, and everything else for that matter can't be so easily put under such broad definitions since there are so many different blends of style and art in between.
Both looking at Aion's characters and reading information from developers give the impression of many different influences having gone into the game's artwork and anime just happens to be one of them.
The people that are arguing that the game isn't anime are making the same, just opposite, bias towards the game's artstyle. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it's something in between, much like everything else in this world. Most of you obviously like anime so Aion being influenced by it should be a good thing. To me, western game art, at least for mmo's is bland and has no flare, so I for one enjoy the creative artwork that has gone into Aion's character design.
Anyway as Sovrath said, things don't exist in a vacuum, they all blend and mix to create something new and unique so stop trying to put things under labels, thats what your complaining about in the first place anyway.
I'm not the one placing labels. Frankly, I don't care about other people's opinions, because they're just that, opinions.
When people start twisting around facts and opinions to the point where nothing is making any sense, I'm not gonna sit around and just read all this garbage.
It's getting to the point, going by Sovrath's logic, for example: If you place a few asian and anime characters in WoW or WAR, you, Sovrath and a few others will call it new and unique. Do you think everyone else would just label the entire game as an anime game?
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Originally posted by suu141 It's getting to the point, going by Sovrath's logic, for example: If you place a few asian and anime characters in WoW or WAR, you, Sovrath and a few others will call it new and unique. Do you think everyone else would just label the entire game as an anime game?
There is a difference between creating a congrous world where all parts seem as if they belong and then just dropping in a few anime like models.
And people shouldn't really be scared of labels. We all have labels. We need to define things and short of some sort of esp like ability where we can impart everything including visuals, artistic subtlety, etc we have to start off somewhere.
so is Aion "Anime"? No. Is it influenced by Anime and does it clearly come from eastern sensibilities? I would say yes.
Heck, look at the Soga models in EQ 2. They are clearly Anime inspired and are very different from the standard EQII models. Why? well, for those who wanted it but also because they were introducing the game in Japan and wanted to give the players something that they could readily identify with.
The only way that labels can be derogatory is if people let them become that way. I just use them as a starting point.
It's from there we can then see where there is so much more. Just like people
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If being completely strict about it, anything that isn't real life is anime. Hell, even real life itself can be considered anime, but lets not get too philosophical here.
I would have to assume that some people consider games where the characters are designed to be too beautiful as "anime". In a way I suppose you can consider a world filled with beautiful characters as being unrealistic, and thus feel like an anime.
Again, this is all based on the point of perspective each person have. Nothing is wrong with either opinion, it is just different perception
If Aion is Anime, then it is what Anime wanted to be all along, what it grew up to be, and what shall provide inspiration for Anime in the decade to come.
The real question is: if you take out all the Asian and obviously anime-looking toons out of the game, would everyone still call it Anime style?
Those characters are a part of the game, whether or not the game would be labelled differently without them is irrelevant because they are not going anywhere. This discussion is about those characters, obviously if they were removed the grounds for this argument would no longer exist but they do so its pointless to ask what if they weren't.
In regards to the discussion at hand, I have to agree with Sovrath. While yes, it is ignorant for people to see something that is obviously influenced by eastern art and label it as anime in the same way that people are labelled for the way they dress or their hairstyle. Art, people, and everything else for that matter can't be so easily put under such broad definitions since there are so many different blends of style and art in between.
Both looking at Aion's characters and reading information from developers give the impression of many different influences having gone into the game's artwork and anime just happens to be one of them.
The people that are arguing that the game isn't anime are making the same, just opposite, bias towards the game's artstyle. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it's something in between, much like everything else in this world. Most of you obviously like anime so Aion being influenced by it should be a good thing. To me, western game art, at least for mmo's is bland and has no flare, so I for one enjoy the creative artwork that has gone into Aion's character design.
Anyway as Sovrath said, things don't exist in a vacuum, they all blend and mix to create something new and unique so stop trying to put things under labels, thats what your complaining about in the first place anyway.
I'm not the one placing labels. Frankly, I don't care about other people's opinions, because they're just that, opinions.
When people start twisting around facts and opinions to the point where nothing is making any sense, I'm not gonna sit around and just read all this garbage.
It's getting to the point, going by Sovrath's logic, for example: If you place a few asian and anime characters in WoW or WAR, you, Sovrath and a few others will call it new and unique. Do you think everyone else would just label the entire game as an anime game?
Only the first paragraph was about what you said Suu. I know you weren't throwing labels around, the rest of my post was about people saying the game has nothing to do with anime.
As for your second comment, my entire post was about how labelling something under a single term because of some amount of influence, as well as the opposite, denying its complete involvement, does not make sense. Thats the opposite of believing a "few anime characters" can make an entire game anime. Read things before accusing people of twisting facts and opinions so you won't go on to do the exact same thing you are accusing them of.
Teasing. Just saying, that I am sold out on the thematic of the game. I still have heavy concerns about the PvPvE which will most likely ruins the PvE, but...I have to try this game...can't resist...urges is too strong.
Animes inspired? Well, prolly a good thing with a thematic about angels and demons if you get my meaning...because otherwise you have cartoons (YIKES, NO!) or realist (Okay sicko, come on, demons with a realistic...no, no, no!).
Me want to try it!
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Intresting discussion. I've been browsing the user comments just to see how many people there are labeling this as "anime" at the same time as getting other peoples impressions of the game so far, until I just couldn't take it anymore. It really ticks me off, it does, don't ask me WHY, seeing people labeling and generalizing stuff when they clearly don't even have understanding of what they are saying actually means. "Oh please, no more of this asian anime grind stuff." is an example of what outraged me. It has a mixture of racism and generalization, in other words being ignorant.
Don't get me wrong and think I am a fanboy of this game. I myself don't have high hopes from what I've seen so far. It does indeed look very generic, not any different from World of Warcraft at all except for a different style slapped into it. Keep in mind it's not a conclusion, just an impression from what I've gathered from different sources.
Back to the topic. Anyways, there might indeed not be a point in getting pissed of how other people sees and labels things. Everyone are unique after all, as is the brain. It's up to you if you think the style used in Aion should be defined "anime" or not.
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Most likely, people will be making 'pretty' characters and more than 99% of the population is going to look like models off Abercrombie and Fitch. Not really Anime, but Anime do have pretty toons.
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WHERE did you get that pic and is it available to be played?!
The game is being developed in Korea. No information on possibility of a release on western markets at all yet.
Cheers!
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Final Fantasy 7
WHERE did you get that pic and is it available to be played?!
The game is being developed in Korea. No information on possibility of a release on western markets at all yet.
Cheers!
Well it seems to be confirmed that namco-bandai will be publishing DBO online in the west. If you're interested a good site for more info on DBO is www.dbmmo.com/
WHERE did you get that pic and is it available to be played?!
The game is being developed in Korea. No information on possibility of a release on western markets at all yet.
Cheers!
Well it seems to be confirmed that namco-bandai will be publishing DBO online in the west. If you're interested a good site for more info on DBO is www.dbmmo.com/
Heres to hoping they make it fun.
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And we have a winner!! That's exactly what happens.
AGREED!!
Honestly, I get sick to death of people immediately making generalizations and sometimes just assumptions about a game's art style, and throwing about words that truly don't describe it accurately at all, just because it was made in Korea, Japan, or freaking Sweden, for that matter. That's just dopey! LOL In my opinion, Aion is not even REMOTELY anime. It's just very very good ARTWORK.
No I'm sorry, but I have to disagree yet again.
Things like Anime and Manga are very popular in the east (and here too for that matter). Art does not exist in a vacuum therefore it stands to reason that there will be influences. This is not a bad thing.
And, given that Anime actually encompasses a great range of styles, I think one could point to a variety of things that coud be Animesque.
So yes, it seems that Anime is originally Japanese. But is it so far beyond the pale to believe that other eastern countries have borrowed from it? Especially since my talks with some game makers informed me that they did actually borrow a lot from each other (not just cultures but other artists) and it was considerd fine to do so.
If one were to take a picture from final fantasy or Aion or Lineage 2 or any number of games or even from manga and show it to someone and then ask the question is this eastern or western, chances are people are going to say "eastern".
So sure, it might be technically incorrect to assume that Anime is chinese or Korean, but it does show that these games, movies, magazines have similarities among them.
I mean, there is a dragon ball Z hairstyle in Lineage 2 which is a Korean game after all.
The problem here is that everyone is so sure that art (or music, theater, etc) should be viewed in such exacting terms that they forget that it all can be viewed so differently depending on who is viewing it, where they are from and yes "when" they are from.
So here is a picture:
http://www.anglik.net/waterhouse3.jpg
A friend of mine was ripping on the preraphaelites (I think waterhouse was part of the group but he could have been one of the influences/influenced by) as romantic clap trap.
What he didn't realize is that the preraphaelites were cutting edge modern artists who were shunned by the status quo. They had to beg, borrow and steal just to get their work seen in salons and many thought that they were just too modern.
Now you all look at that and you might grimace and say "modern?, hardly!", but that is the fact.
So there is a lot that goes into an artistic style and art borrows from so much of what is popular for a region that it is not really a bad thing for someone to call something as part of a movement, especially if that movement is borrowed from.
We seem to look at things with our 21st century eyes and want it to be so pure or so "from a certain style" that we might overlook that there is a lot of bleed through.
So in the same arguement, here is an anime pic:
http://www.freefever.com/hi5/hi5graphics/glitter/anime2.gif
Here is a pic from Lineage 2, a Korean game:
http://static.lineage2.co.kr/info/race/imgDwarfBg2.gif
There are similarities.
anime:
http://animedownloadsunlimited.com/images/anime.png
Lineage 2
http://chaosregion.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/1.jpg
and Aion? Well, isn't the head Artist of Aion also the one who designed Lineage 2? I believe so. There are similarities that one can see.
So "is" Aion actually Anime? Well, I think Anime is supposed to refer to animated movies so no. But is it influenced by anime? I would say it is. This is not bad or wrong, it just is.
Heck, even on an anime site http://www.oakwoodanime.net/newage-anime.php you see information about Aion.
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Yes Sovrath, there's no denying that Koreans copy Japanese art styles.
In fact, Japanese anime is extremely popular in Korea. So popular, many become art students so they can move to Japan and work for an Anime studio, just like the thousands whom already move there and work as cell paint artists and graphic designers. I wouldn't be surprised if one or most of the NC staff had a previous career there.
When I first saw Aion, I automatically assumed it was Korean made, if not, Japanese.
Why, you say?
Because western artists usually never include Asian-looking characters.
It's natural for an artist to make a figure that reflects him/herself. Same with Asian artists.
What I don't understand is how you can compare the art styles of FFXI and Lineage 2 with Aion. Regardless of whether or not it's the same artist, all I see is an enormous gap where Aion looks more human and realistic.
The real question is: if you take out all the Asian and obviously anime-looking toons out of the game, would everyone still call it Anime style?
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@Sovrath
EXCELLENT intelligent, educated and informative posting there, my fellow gamer! BRAVO! I love it! And I do agree that there is obvious anime influence in the art style, I just don't agree with the poster that flat out called AION's art "anime."
And you are so correct about art, and "good" art (whatever defines good...heh), being essentially in the eyes of the beholder.
I get that the art style of AION does not appeal to everyone. My only disagreement was with sticking the "anime" label on it and dismissing it as what most Americans, at least, upon seeing the term "anime" attached to it, assume is manga. AION is definitlely NOT manga. Unfortunately, the North American exposure to anime is predominately to manga style cartoons, and when you throw out the word "anime," that is what most people think you are saying.
Loved your post. Very exciting to see something written based on obvious knowledge on the topic.
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Those characters are a part of the game, whether or not the game would be labelled differently without them is irrelevant because they are not going anywhere. This discussion is about those characters, obviously if they were removed the grounds for this argument would no longer exist but they do so its pointless to ask what if they weren't.
In regards to the discussion at hand, I have to agree with Sovrath. While yes, it is ignorant for people to see something that is obviously influenced by eastern art and label it as anime in the same way that people are labelled for the way they dress or their hairstyle. Art, people, and everything else for that matter can't be so easily put under such broad definitions since there are so many different blends of style and art in between.
Both looking at Aion's characters and reading information from developers give the impression of many different influences having gone into the game's artwork and anime just happens to be one of them.
The people that are arguing that the game isn't anime are making the same, just opposite, bias towards the game's artstyle. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it's something in between, much like everything else in this world. Most of you obviously like anime so Aion being influenced by it should be a good thing. To me, western game art, at least for mmo's is bland and has no flare, so I for one enjoy the creative artwork that has gone into Aion's character design.
Anyway as Sovrath said, things don't exist in a vacuum, they all blend and mix to create something new and unique so stop trying to put things under labels, thats what your complaining about in the first place anyway.
Thanks girlgeek, appreciate that...
Originally posted by girlgeek
@Sovrath
I just don't agree with the poster that flat out called AION's art "anime."
True, it's not anime per se but just shows influence.
@suu141
I say that it is similar to L2 because many types of armor and weapons that I've seen utilize highly florid and ornamental inlay surrounded by a border or overlapping material. It's very clear to me that they are artistic successors.
Aion:
http://img.hexus.net/v2/gaming/e3_2007/aion.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7017/aionsourcesignatureal8.png
http://www.mmodump.com/wp-content/gallery/aion/aion_the_tower_of_eternity_-_asmodian_character.jpg
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/videogames/videos/aion-clothing._SX320_CR0,0,0,0_PIen-us-vendor-play-shuttle-off,BottomLeft,0,43_.jpg ***
Lineage 2
http://www.lineage2.com/images/item_screens/sealed_armor_of_nightmare.jpg
http://www.lineage2media.com/pictures/lineage2wallpaper11linehi0.jpg
http://evelynrodriguez.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/28/elvenwarrioress.jpg ***
And with final fantasy my feeling is that the characters are artistic ancestors. With this you can "almost" see lineage 2 colors and lines
Final Fantasy xi
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/5462/2h/images.gamezone.com/screens/17/2/64/s17264_pc_5.jpg
Lineage 2
http://www.wallpaperez.net/wallpaper/games/Lineage-2-Interlude-1330.jpg
Aion
http://www.aionsource.com/photoplog/images/1/1_Aion_May_25_07__52_.jpg
Remember, we are not talking about graphic quality, we are talking about artistic influence.
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Those characters are a part of the game, whether or not the game would be labelled differently without them is irrelevant because they are not going anywhere. This discussion is about those characters, obviously if they were removed the grounds for this argument would no longer exist but they do so its pointless to ask what if they weren't.
In regards to the discussion at hand, I have to agree with Sovrath. While yes, it is ignorant for people to see something that is obviously influenced by eastern art and label it as anime in the same way that people are labelled for the way they dress or their hairstyle. Art, people, and everything else for that matter can't be so easily put under such broad definitions since there are so many different blends of style and art in between.
Both looking at Aion's characters and reading information from developers give the impression of many different influences having gone into the game's artwork and anime just happens to be one of them.
The people that are arguing that the game isn't anime are making the same, just opposite, bias towards the game's artstyle. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it's something in between, much like everything else in this world. Most of you obviously like anime so Aion being influenced by it should be a good thing. To me, western game art, at least for mmo's is bland and has no flare, so I for one enjoy the creative artwork that has gone into Aion's character design.
Anyway as Sovrath said, things don't exist in a vacuum, they all blend and mix to create something new and unique so stop trying to put things under labels, thats what your complaining about in the first place anyway.
I'm not the one placing labels. Frankly, I don't care about other people's opinions, because they're just that, opinions.
When people start twisting around facts and opinions to the point where nothing is making any sense, I'm not gonna sit around and just read all this garbage.
It's getting to the point, going by Sovrath's logic, for example: If you place a few asian and anime characters in WoW or WAR, you, Sovrath and a few others will call it new and unique. Do you think everyone else would just label the entire game as an anime game?
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There is a difference between creating a congrous world where all parts seem as if they belong and then just dropping in a few anime like models.
And people shouldn't really be scared of labels. We all have labels. We need to define things and short of some sort of esp like ability where we can impart everything including visuals, artistic subtlety, etc we have to start off somewhere.
so is Aion "Anime"? No. Is it influenced by Anime and does it clearly come from eastern sensibilities? I would say yes.
Heck, look at the Soga models in EQ 2. They are clearly Anime inspired and are very different from the standard EQII models. Why? well, for those who wanted it but also because they were introducing the game in Japan and wanted to give the players something that they could readily identify with.
The only way that labels can be derogatory is if people let them become that way. I just use them as a starting point.
It's from there we can then see where there is so much more. Just like people
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It really depend on people's definition of anime.
If being completely strict about it, anything that isn't real life is anime. Hell, even real life itself can be considered anime, but lets not get too philosophical here.
I would have to assume that some people consider games where the characters are designed to be too beautiful as "anime". In a way I suppose you can consider a world filled with beautiful characters as being unrealistic, and thus feel like an anime.
Again, this is all based on the point of perspective each person have. Nothing is wrong with either opinion, it is just different perception
The world is not made up of only one truth.
If Aion is Anime, then it is what Anime wanted to be all along, what it grew up to be, and what shall provide inspiration for Anime in the decade to come.
Those characters are a part of the game, whether or not the game would be labelled differently without them is irrelevant because they are not going anywhere. This discussion is about those characters, obviously if they were removed the grounds for this argument would no longer exist but they do so its pointless to ask what if they weren't.
In regards to the discussion at hand, I have to agree with Sovrath. While yes, it is ignorant for people to see something that is obviously influenced by eastern art and label it as anime in the same way that people are labelled for the way they dress or their hairstyle. Art, people, and everything else for that matter can't be so easily put under such broad definitions since there are so many different blends of style and art in between.
Both looking at Aion's characters and reading information from developers give the impression of many different influences having gone into the game's artwork and anime just happens to be one of them.
The people that are arguing that the game isn't anime are making the same, just opposite, bias towards the game's artstyle. It doesn't have to be one or the other, it's something in between, much like everything else in this world. Most of you obviously like anime so Aion being influenced by it should be a good thing. To me, western game art, at least for mmo's is bland and has no flare, so I for one enjoy the creative artwork that has gone into Aion's character design.
Anyway as Sovrath said, things don't exist in a vacuum, they all blend and mix to create something new and unique so stop trying to put things under labels, thats what your complaining about in the first place anyway.
I'm not the one placing labels. Frankly, I don't care about other people's opinions, because they're just that, opinions.
When people start twisting around facts and opinions to the point where nothing is making any sense, I'm not gonna sit around and just read all this garbage.
It's getting to the point, going by Sovrath's logic, for example: If you place a few asian and anime characters in WoW or WAR, you, Sovrath and a few others will call it new and unique. Do you think everyone else would just label the entire game as an anime game?
Only the first paragraph was about what you said Suu. I know you weren't throwing labels around, the rest of my post was about people saying the game has nothing to do with anime.
As for your second comment, my entire post was about how labelling something under a single term because of some amount of influence, as well as the opposite, denying its complete involvement, does not make sense. Thats the opposite of believing a "few anime characters" can make an entire game anime. Read things before accusing people of twisting facts and opinions so you won't go on to do the exact same thing you are accusing them of.
DIE HERETIC! :P
Teasing. Just saying, that I am sold out on the thematic of the game. I still have heavy concerns about the PvPvE which will most likely ruins the PvE, but...I have to try this game...can't resist...urges is too strong.
Animes inspired? Well, prolly a good thing with a thematic about angels and demons if you get my meaning...because otherwise you have cartoons (YIKES, NO!) or realist (Okay sicko, come on, demons with a realistic...no, no, no!).
Me want to try it!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Intresting discussion. I've been browsing the user comments just to see how many people there are labeling this as "anime" at the same time as getting other peoples impressions of the game so far, until I just couldn't take it anymore. It really ticks me off, it does, don't ask me WHY, seeing people labeling and generalizing stuff when they clearly don't even have understanding of what they are saying actually means. "Oh please, no more of this asian anime grind stuff." is an example of what outraged me. It has a mixture of racism and generalization, in other words being ignorant.
Don't get me wrong and think I am a fanboy of this game. I myself don't have high hopes from what I've seen so far. It does indeed look very generic, not any different from World of Warcraft at all except for a different style slapped into it. Keep in mind it's not a conclusion, just an impression from what I've gathered from different sources.
Back to the topic. Anyways, there might indeed not be a point in getting pissed of how other people sees and labels things. Everyone are unique after all, as is the brain. It's up to you if you think the style used in Aion should be defined "anime" or not.
ESS O ESS. O ESS O. OR ESS? Bah, fuck it, just call 911.
if aion is an anime, would that make wow a saturday morning cartoon?
Please, don't insult Saturday morning cartoons
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Most likely, people will be making 'pretty' characters and more than 99% of the population is going to look like models off Abercrombie and Fitch. Not really Anime, but Anime do have pretty toons.