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Inzra
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With the benefit of hindsight, maybe it wasn't such a hot idea.
(couldn't help it when I came across this vid
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Anyway, I'm glad I've stayed with a game I myself decided to play, and not follow hype. Otherwise I'd have to run from game to game which would be rather tiresome.
I don't care that much about AoC not having the success that was expected, cause in the end it continues to be the game I prefer to play.
I'm also rather glad to see that the moaning on these boards after launch seems to have died, that people finally manage to grow up a little and move on from something they didn't like. Which they should have done right away instead of whining for months...
What happened was, people pwned themselves... everyone so afraid of not being involved from the start and miss out on pwning lowbies or being the first doing whatever. Then they can't handle a loss - cause that's their mindset - and cries all over the boards.
The smart ones are the ones that joins afterwards, that waits and gets it confirmed that what they want is actually there.
As for me I wanted more realistic graphics, and I got it. Though I immediately saw there were room for improvements, overall I was rather enjoying myself.
The only reason I was in from the start was because I've never been in on a launch before, and since I already decided to play the game, I went for it. I prefer to wait for reviews and screenshots and videos if I'm uncertain. So all the other mmo's I've played were about 1 year old or more before I joined them.
If you absolutely have to be in on launch for a game, you better have been in beta, or you just gotta be able to take a loss. Ofc you could be lucky and everything turns out fine, but I don't know if it's the games that are getting worse or the players getting more grumpy.
But I do know that all the pay-2-play games I've played was not something I regret playing. Even WoW.
What I'd like to see is players that would have some more integrity, stick with the games that they prefer, and not follow friends or hype or whatever. And players that can cope with the situation as it comes. If things don't turn out quite as planned, get used to it or go find something else. Just an advice rly.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I totally agree with you on this one.
What are you saying? What is the point of this thread? We should all choose an MMO and just play it from launch even if it sucks and we are not having fun?
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
What part of "stick with the games that they prefer" do you not understand...
If you think there's gonna be a perfect game out there for you, then you're most likely gonna have to wait a loooooong time.
So since you will be playing games that are only close to what you want you'll have to learn to suck it up or do something else.
Even I was dissappointed at some of the things in AoC, but the game is far from as bad as people want it to be.
What part of "stick with the games that they prefer" do you not understand...
If you think there's gonna be a perfect game out there for you, then you're most likely gonna have to wait a loooooong time.
So since you will be playing games that are only close to what you want you'll have to learn to suck it up or do something else.
Even I was dissappointed at some of the things in AoC, but the game is far from as bad as people want it to be.
Stick with a game that you prefer and don't stick with game that you don't prefer? Yes, I agree. Truly these are words of wisdom.
Most of us here have tried many MMO's and we know there is no "perfect game". We don't expect a perfect game but we do expect the game to be FUN. For lot of people Age of Conan just was not fun.
You belong to that 10% of gamers who actually like AoC. Good for you. But you have to realize that 90% of players didn't like it and they quit. There were many reasons why people quit but I believe the main reason was it just wasn't their cup of tea. They prefer WoW , WAR, Hello Kitty Online or whatever.
I agree with you on that it is nice to choose an MMO, play it from the start, through the good and the bad. It gives that special feeling that you are somehow part of that game. I tried to do this with AoC but is was just impossible. Game is so damn boring to I had to force myself to go online every day.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
There will always be locusts... players that jump from game to game and do nothing but criticize the old game after they've left while hyping the game yet to be released. I hate to say it, but I do think it is an age thing. I think people who have been around the block realize things are not going be perfect, but they can seperate temporary bugs from fundamental game flaws. They also know that game designs sound nice on paper, but the proof is in the details and execution.
And there is no reason to 'warn' players to stick to a game. The locusts will move on, and in a few years will learn. But new locusts will be born all the time.
What part of "stick with the games that they prefer" do you not understand...
If you think there's gonna be a perfect game out there for you, then you're most likely gonna have to wait a loooooong time.
So since you will be playing games that are only close to what you want you'll have to learn to suck it up or do something else.
Even I was dissappointed at some of the things in AoC, but the game is far from as bad as people want it to be.
Stick with a game that you prefer and don't stick with game that you don't prefer? Yes, I agree. Truly these are words of wisdom.
Most of us here have tried many MMO's and we know there is no "perfect game". We don't expect a perfect game but we do expect the game to be FUN. For lot of people Age of Conan just was not fun.
You belong to that 10% of gamers who actually like AoC. Good for you. But you have to realize that 90% of players didn't like it and they quit. There were many reasons why people quit but I believe the main reason was it just wasn't their cup of tea. They prefer WoW , WAR, Hello Kitty Online or whatever.
I agree with you on that it is nice to choose an MMO, play it from the start, through the good and the bad. It gives that special feeling that you are somehow part of that game. I tried to do this with AoC but is was just impossible. Game is so damn boring to I had to force myself to go online every day.
I agree with what the OP said and a bit of what you are saying here. The only part I really take issue with is the statement that only 10% of the gamers out there actually like AOC and that 90% don't. I know you are generalizing and accept that but I have never seen any evidence that the landslide was that steep.
I would imagine if it were the game would be shut down already.
I also understand that you found it boring and accept that as choice of games and what you enjoy is personal. I would state from another point of view that AOC combat is fun and that the improvements made have been tremendous. I always play two MMOs so I do not quicly get bored of one of them. Right now it is AOC and WAR.
My only current beef with AOC is the pop on PVE servers is pretty low. They really should consolidate them. The new Ymir's Pass conent was solid stuff though and they need to do lots more of that. The game is still graphically the best MMO I have seen and the Engine has improved so much that I can run it smoothly on high settings on my secondary PC that is not as hot as the one I regularly play on.
Anyway, the game is pretty good in my opinion and I am glad I stuck with it.
for WAR, if you are unlucky enough to have ended up on one of the low pop servers the game quickly loses appeal. It is designed to need lots of players. The free server moves was wise for them. But my guess is your opinion of WAR would be the same if you were on a low pop server and did not stick it out until the free server transfers took place.
There is plenty of indication
1. Xfire (yeah, I know) has shown a 90% drop since launch. While not a perfect 'sample', it has been proven accurate in the past.
2. Server populations - There are basically 3-4 servers in NA that have moderate populations, and 2-3 in EU. MMORPGs are pretty consistent with 12M-15M accounts per populated server. This puts AOC at around 80,000 subscribers.. 10% of the 800,000 they sold
3. Anecdotal evidence - Guild reports (back in July) there were a ton of guilds stating they went from 200 actives to 10-20. Most of the damage was done back then. You don't see these kind of reports any more since most guilds have consilidated and the loses are now trickles. But back in July the loses were much more noticable.
4. Box sales. For two weeks, AOC was in the top ten in box sales, it then fell out of the top 100 by the third week. While guilds were falling apart, the box sales tell us that new players weren't trickling in to replace players who quit.
I think both games failed to deliver what people were expecting. People are just trying the lateast releases. When another decent game comes out, War will lose a TON of people..
Why?
You have to face a decision, stay or leave.
If you unsubscribed but still focus on it, you haven't left it.
1. It's obviously not accurate. Let's use Final Fantasy XI and Age of Conan as examples here. Final Fantasy XI is ranked #70 with 433 users playing per day. Age of Conan is ranked #56 with 922 users playing per day. These statistics are all according to Xfire. So, FFXI should have around 40,000 active subscribers according to your logic. The game actually had around 500,000 active subscribers last month. The Xfire example simply means less Xfire users are playing Age of Conan. The majority of users don't use Xfire.
2. Nothing to say here. It's just your estimated guess.
3. Most of those guilds started before the game was released. I'm willing to bet 90% of the members jumped on the hype wagon.
4. This is common among games in general. People get all excited about a game and buy it before they know what it's like. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hype
Dont even bother ... xfire is the holy grail to some when it comes to subscriber statistics.
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I'm not sure I understand your point. Of course, play the game that you like - that's a given.
One must remember that many people "followed the hype" in coming to AoC in the first place. It's not like it's the one true game, and all others gain players only as a result of "hype". People play other games because it's what they like, just as some decide to play AoC. No mystery there.
In the end, a call for "integrity" is a waste. You stick with your family. You stick with your friends. These are things with meaning in the lives of most people. No matter how much you love a game, it will never love you back, nor will it ever show loyalty to you. In short, a game doesn't stick by you, so no reciprocation is required. Play what you want because it's fun - and that's all.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
This is true. No matter how much you pay for beta and help FC develop AoC, the minute you stop paying them that monthly fee, you become a ghost to them. Like all devs, they just want your money and you just want entertainment. OP, don't make it a bigger deal than it actually is.
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
no ones going to war thats why its so dead and is at the point it would get shutdown
This is true. No matter how much you pay for beta and help FC develop AoC, the minute you stop paying them that monthly fee, you become a ghost to them. Like all devs, they just want your money and you just want entertainment. OP, don't make it a bigger deal than it actually is.
Lol I don't stick with family and friends, cause I go for what I want, not what they want.
You clearly don't understand what integrity means, it means BEING TRUE TO YOURSELF.
That does not include Funcom, but I happen to play their game, and my integrity is that I'm doing what I want.
Going for the hype is just going for what everyone else wants, it's like fashion. It's bs.
You have to figure out what you want first.
So to your surprise, family and friends will not be there for you in the end, cause you are not like them.
As for you Scaredgirl, I'd rather stay with my favourite game than troll forums for a game I don't like, so who's wasting time...
Now go get a life.
Haha, so you stick with an MMO because you want to be true to yourself?
Man, I think you take this thing too seriously. In the end it's just a game. Not a religion or anything, a GAME.
Btw, your "get a life" is uncalled for and not very original. In a way all of us who play MMO's and visit these forums should "get a life". But I'm happy with my life. I have friends, girlfriend, a job, the whole package. I just play MMO's anf write on forums instead of watching same old boring tv-shows. That does not make me a "no-lifer".
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
75% of players that left WoW to play AoC came back to WoW, and that was before WotLK was released.
50% of players that left WoW for WAR came back to WoW, and, again, this was before WotLK was released.
Now these statistics don't even touch the players that quit AoC and didn't go back to WoW. So what we have here is yet another sample of just how many players quit AoC. When you have this kind of mass exodus from a game, that pretty much tells the story of how bad a game is. There is no "one" reason for people leaving AoC in such high numbers other than the fact that the game sucks. Of course some people are going to like it, but there are still people playing Horizons as well.
Happy Turkey Day!!
Ok.... let me explain this as carefully as I can....
I stick with an MMO because I enjoy playing it. This means that I enjoy it. I enjoy playing AoC.
Now, I also aware that everything in AoC is not perfect. Ok. Yet at the same time I'm aware that other games also have this problem so I make a decision and decide to stay with AoC. Why because it's the game I prefer to play, it has an experience I don't find in other games. I enjoy this experience.
I don't go to WoW because it has the majority of subscribers. Or to War because it is, or was, the new thing, or because it's ranked #1 on this site list, which is rather dubious imo.
I don't leave the game because the stock market is plummeting. Or because other people, that fail at life, cry all night that dx10 is still not there. Or whatever else they can whine about.
So I don't really believe you when you say you have such a happy life, cause why would you then spend your time trolling AoC forums with how disgruntled you are with AoC.
And your "whole package" as you call it, it's no guarantee for happiness, neither firends nor girlfrined nor job. All you're doing is what everyone else is doing, no big deal.
The fact remains, you spend time on the forum of a game you don't like, while I'm here because I actually enjoy the game.
Think about it.... what would you rather spend time on, that which you enjoy or that which you don't enjoy...?
Spending time on what you don't enjoy, while you could go and do what you DO enjoy...
sounds like a no-lifer to me....
If it was a "fact" that a game sucked, the game would already be closed, dead and buried.
It may be a fact that YOU think it sucks, or that a certain number of people that left think it sucks.
How many of those left because of other people leaving? When they realized that AoC wouldn't be the big hit that they had imagined?
So there can be several reasons as to WHY they left, not just lacks in the game.
Just because the HUGE majority of mmo'ers play WoW, doesn't mean it's the best game out there...
If it was a "fact" that a game sucked, the game would already be closed, dead and buried.
It may be a fact that YOU think it sucks, or that a certain number of people that left think it sucks.
How many of those left because of other people leaving? When they realized that AoC wouldn't be the big hit that they had imagined?
So there can be several reasons as to WHY they left, not just lacks in the game.
Just because the HUGE majority of mmo'ers play WoW, doesn't mean it's the best game out there...
I'm sorry to say this but what you said is pretty dumb.
"If it was a "fact" that a game sucked, the game would already be closed, dead and buried."
Um.. you think Craig would someday say: "Hey guys.. AoC SUCKS and we need to close it down right now!". Of course not. They are going to do EVERYTHING in their power to keep the game alive. Lie, cheat, punch babies.. EVERYTHING. Some people FC is not in any trouble but I and many more here predict that the end is near. We will see.
"It may be a fact that YOU think it sucks, or that a certain number of people that left think it sucks."
This "certain number of people that left" is actually 90% of players. So it's not just him who thinks AoC sucks. There are a lot of AoC haters out there. Face it, most people just don't like the game, plain and simple.
How many of those left because of other people leaving?
So you are saying most gamers liked the game but left only because their friend left? Please...
So there can be several reasons as to WHY they left, not just lacks in the game
Um.. what might those reasons be? All 90% of players had real life issues at the same time? Global recession? Herpes epidemic?
Just because the HUGE majority of mmo'ers play WoW, doesn't mean it's the best game out there...
Jesus, why do you always have to bring up WoW? Ok, you don't like WoW. Get over it.
I would like to say something about your post but I'm afraid it might be against RoC. I'll try to use smileys to get the message through.
you =
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Originally posted by Frobner
"Massive sieges" "mounted combat" and "spellweaving" are just few words that spring to mind when I hear the word AOC.... But the word FAILURE will always top the list.
Personally I think this game had a lot of potential...prior to beta. I beta tested since the beginning and grew ever more aware of the issues this game could have at launch. I put it off though and prayed for a miracle patch. That patch never came.
Why did I leave AoC?
1.) Back in August, all the top guilds mass left. Even my guild eventually disbanded due to there not being anyone to PvP with in Kheshatta anymore.
2.) There were only 2 things to do. PvP in Kheshatta, Raid. We did that a lot. I actually like raiding in AoC.
3.) Bugs. Nuff said.
4.) Sieging. Ah yes this. Everyone thought it would be the main attraction. In the end it was a rushed gametype with no consequence initially. Until they fixed taking over cities a few months later. Even then, it was very dull.
5.) Poor management. You'd need a new pair of eyes to not see this. Even after the new director came, things improved but not drastically enough.
6.) End game content. This is the main reason. There wasnt any. The stuff that was there was poorly done, buggy and took several months to bring it to a functional level. Even then, everyone had realised how shallow it was.
Anyways, I'll end my rant here. Its probably been said a thousand times over, but this makes it one thousand and one!
I didn't play beta, but I reckon you're right about the potential...
The game was rushed, they should have waited, but I don't know the reason they launched when they did. Money perhaps.
Still I was able to enjoy the game all the way.
People leaving for something else I have no problem with, it's all those that stayed moaning I got tired of.
Did you just invent that definition? Let's grab the first one from dictionary.com:
"adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty."
Good thing Funcom didn't put "integrety" on the box - That would have been just another feature in the "failed to deliver" department
"With the benefit of hindsight..." I find it extremely funny that you talk about player integrity here - If Funcom had an ounce of that, we would all be playing our different games instead of bashing this sorry monolith of broken promises.
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
(repeat ad infinitum)
Did you just invent that definition? Let's grab the first one from dictionary.com:
"adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty."
Good thing Funcom didn't put "integrety" on the box - That would have been just another feature in the "failed to deliver" department
"With the benefit of hindsight..." I find it extremely funny that you talk about player integrity here - If Funcom had an ounce of that, we would all be playing our different games instead of bashing this sorry monolith of broken promises.
"Integrity comprises perceived consistency of actions, values, methods, measures and principles."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity
So who can you be most consistent with, yourself or other people? Can you be honest if you follow someone else's values all the while you have different ones?
Stop bsing...
Funcom didn't deliver everything they promised at launch, and maybe they should have. I was still able to enjoy the game, so I don't see any big deal about it.
That doesn't mean players shouldn't have the integrity to find the game that they want to play.
If you're bashing this game instead of playing a game you like, then that speaks for itself. You're another no-lifer, don't worry there's plenty of them on this site...
I don't think Funcom scammed anyone actually.
The sorry suckers with Failcom logos basically deserved to be slapped around for their whining. Crybabies like that don't deserve to play Conan in the first place.
Made me lol.
Hope they get scammed again. 
