If I were in love with a game - like he is with War - I certainly would defend that game also on its merits. Grzt to him for doing it even on a Wow forum. But the fact remains that Blizzard this time did what TBC did NOT do, raising the standards in the original game for most players. Zone design, quest design, phasing (I was surprised yesterday), in games cinematics and yes PvP hardware (tanks, fortresses, siege engines,....) we didn't have before.
First of all, I am not in love with any MMO out there. Never was, never will be.
I have played WoW for 1.5 years. After I realized that every 2-3 months my gear was recycling in order for me to be competitive, with all of the cookie cutter class builds, I have decided to quit. Now what has changed ever since that I should return to the game? I see no reason whatsoever.
I have played AoC, PotBS, Guild Wars, Eve, Fury and lastly WAR after WoW.
I have had very good times with all of these games, including the first 3-4 months of WoW.
I am not a fan of any game, because I find it extremely stupid to get stuck to a game and become an advocate for that game When I don't have any fun from WAR, I will simply move on. I am currently having lots of fun with WAR, although it has tons of things that needs to be changed. It has a great potential and I believe Mythic will make this game a very good #2 on the market (after WoW) for years. It is already #2, and it will continue to be a very good alternative for people who love PvP/RvR instead of raiding.
I am not bashing WoW. Why would I bash WoW? I have played it for 1.5 years. I respect the people who play it. But defending/advocating an MMO like it was the best thing that came to earth after bread and butter is not my cup of tea - unless they pay me of course
----------------------------- Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
elements. What does WoW focus? PvE/raiding/grinding/gear... And you say there are no games on the market even though there is a demand for a better game. How so? Most of the WoW players even did not hear about any other MMO out there. The other MMO producers does not even have 1/4 the budget of Blizzard. Yet Blizzard comes up with crappy expansion that brings nothing new to the table for $40, after all of the profits for 4 years.
WotLK is heavy on PvP mate, EVERY reviewer said it on the web.
And you didn't even play it to compare.
The other red line I agree with, make it 10 times the money. And it shows boy it shows.
The Keeps in WotLK fall in rumbled walls and collapsing gates with defenders and atteckers that battle each other - each with their own made tanks - in the inside and outside of the tiers of the Keep in LW.
No use to battle this. The longer WotLK wlll gets played, the more people will witness Wintergrasp.
Had today a discussion at our Warhammer miniatures club. 3 began playing War, a 4th bought it two weeks ago.
They (me included) all stopped. Everyone now plays in WotLK and everyone agreed the new PvP in Wow is fantastic. The guys were all over the place discussing the assault and defense tactics with those tanks.
For those Wow haters wanting Lake Wintergrasp to fail.... Though luck; the genious gurus of Blizzard found a way to make the open world PvP of Lake W for ever to last in attracting players at maximum level. "Items bound on account": you can earn PvP gear for every character you want to boost in the open world PvP. Incredible innovative idea and a new addition to the already succesful system of PVE gear badges. http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/11/24/wrath-101-heirloom-items-and-how-to-get-them/ Read the second part, because the first part is about the same system but for PVE gear. "....there are daily quests in Lake Wintergrasp that you can do while you're fighting to get your faction the Essence of Wintergrasp buff. Wowhead has a full listing of those quests for both factions if you want to hunt them down....."
So I guess "empty world PvP zones" in old Wow (pre WotLK) will be a history of the past in a few weeks when everyone will be 80. 10/10 And then still some say Blizz is not innovative. Have fun all !!!!
Kinda ironic how you're always here posting gibberish on mmorpg.com instead of actually playing WoW? Is WotLK really that bad??
What is funny about the true PvPer thingie? I have seen tons of guilds/players that are searching for a good PvP game because they are hardcore and WoW can never respond their needs.
Guild wars is a PvP game. It has sold more than 4 million copies.
Eve is a PvP game and a very complex+challenging one.
AoC and WAR are PvP games. AoC is good in open world PvP and WAR focuses on RvR elements.
What does WoW focus? PvE/raiding/grinding/gear...
And you say there are no games on the market even though there is a demand for a better game. How so? Most of the WoW players even did not hear about any other MMO out there. The other MMO producers does not even have 1/4 the budget of Blizzard. Yet Blizzard comes up with crappy expansion that brings nothing new to the table for $40, after all of the profits for 4 years.
I just laugh when people try to pretend they are some sort of upper crust of players by saying things like true pvpers.
Also, I didn't say there were no PvP games on the market and to pretend that people don't know about them is just fooling yourself. There are plenty of PvP games out and some have sold millions of copies. What I said was that far more people chose the PvP in WoW even though there are all those other PvP games. That says something about those other PvP games when a PvE game has more attractive PvP to partake in.
Plenty of people have tried those other PvP MMOs and I think the masses that have left speak volumes more than anything you want to whine about.
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First of all, I am not in love with any MMO out there. Never was, never will be.
I have played WoW for 1.5 years. After I realized that every 2-3 months my gear was recycling in order for me to be competitive, with all of the cookie cutter class builds, I have decided to quit. Now what has changed ever since that I should return to the game? I see no reason whatsoever.
I have played AoC, PotBS, Guild Wars, Eve, Fury and lastly WAR after WoW.
I have had very good times with all of these games, including the first 3-4 months of WoW.
I am not a fan of any game, because I find it extremely stupid to get stuck to a game and become an advocate for that game
When I don't have any fun from WAR, I will simply move on. I am currently having lots of fun with WAR, although it has tons of things that needs to be changed. It has a great potential and I believe Mythic will make this game a very good #2 on the market (after WoW) for years. It is already #2, and it will continue to be a very good alternative for people who love PvP/RvR instead of raiding.
I am not bashing WoW. Why would I bash WoW? I have played it for 1.5 years. I respect the people who play it. But defending/advocating an MMO like it was the best thing that came to earth after bread and butter is not my cup of tea - unless they pay me of course
-----------------------------
Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
WotLK is heavy on PvP mate, EVERY reviewer said it on the web.
And you didn't even play it to compare.
The other red line I agree with, make it 10 times the money. And it shows boy it shows.
The Keeps in WotLK fall in rumbled walls and collapsing gates with defenders and atteckers that battle each other - each with their own made tanks - in the inside and outside of the tiers of the Keep in LW.
No use to battle this. The longer WotLK wlll gets played, the more people will witness Wintergrasp.
Had today a discussion at our Warhammer miniatures club. 3 began playing War, a 4th bought it two weeks ago.
They (me included) all stopped. Everyone now plays in WotLK and everyone agreed the new PvP in Wow is fantastic. The guys were all over the place discussing the assault and defense tactics with those tanks.
.... And this in a Warhammer TT club !
Kinda ironic how you're always here posting gibberish on mmorpg.com instead of actually playing WoW? Is WotLK really that bad??
What is funny about the true PvPer thingie? I have seen tons of guilds/players that are searching for a good PvP game because they are hardcore and WoW can never respond their needs.
Guild wars is a PvP game. It has sold more than 4 million copies.
Eve is a PvP game and a very complex+challenging one.
AoC and WAR are PvP games. AoC is good in open world PvP and WAR focuses on RvR elements.
What does WoW focus? PvE/raiding/grinding/gear...
And you say there are no games on the market even though there is a demand for a better game. How so? Most of the WoW players even did not hear about any other MMO out there. The other MMO producers does not even have 1/4 the budget of Blizzard. Yet Blizzard comes up with crappy expansion that brings nothing new to the table for $40, after all of the profits for 4 years.
I just laugh when people try to pretend they are some sort of upper crust of players by saying things like true pvpers.
Also, I didn't say there were no PvP games on the market and to pretend that people don't know about them is just fooling yourself. There are plenty of PvP games out and some have sold millions of copies. What I said was that far more people chose the PvP in WoW even though there are all those other PvP games. That says something about those other PvP games when a PvE game has more attractive PvP to partake in.
Plenty of people have tried those other PvP MMOs and I think the masses that have left speak volumes more than anything you want to whine about.
They should have made their designers pickup a discount copy of DAOC and rip off everything they could.. this is just pathetic.
1. Forts/keeps (claimable with benefits to guilds)
2. Control of the forts leads to high profit dungeon control
3. Non-gear advancement system
4. Realm wide large benefits for capturing "relics"
Then start ripping stuff from WAR. Zone control, push map like world design..
They are basically trying to convince people that WOTLK is an alternative to WAR. Should just stick to making more pve bosses.
"I've never played the expansion... the game just keeps getting exponentially worse..."
There it is... the essence of WoW hatred with no information.