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The MMORPG.COM message board are full of buzz about Darkfall. Over the past several days, I've seen several posters mention DF on non-DF boards. This is exciting news for Adventurine... but if by the end of the year Adventurine fails to prove they have a product, will the game lose all credibility? Or do you think people will continue to plug Darkfall as "the next big thing" ?
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Whether or not it loses credibility, I'm not sure. All I know is, the game has been in development for so long, and people have hyped it up so much in their own minds that I doubt it can live up to their standards of what they think it will be like.
I can only imagine at the moment all of the hate threads here after the supposed release occurs.
As history shows people will complain and claim they give up on DF... but they will continue to watch and hope.
If they fail to deliver in 08 this wont be the first time they pushed it back.
Agreed with Gajari.
I have a feeling that when the game is out, it will suck not because of the developer/management but because people here hyped it waaay too much.
First off, I wanted to point out the name of the company is Aventurine (no 'd').
As for your questions, credibility loss will happen on some level since Tasos has said officially in a couple different posts that the game will release before the end of the year. After all, the games development history (delaying beta fromm 2005 to 2008, 7+ years of development, infrequent and limited details released, etc.) has been shaky for this small start-up company.
However, if the delay is minimal and explained in detail, people should continue to be hyped for this game since it offers different game mechanics then the typical themepark MMO.
With WAR and WotLK in their prime is it really the time to release an experimental MMO? If they were to release it now (i know they said they would) i think it woudl be a guaranteed failure. I know that you cant wait for all the competition to disapate, but these two games are juggernaughts in the market, and if you try and take them down while they are new and exciting, you are doomed for failure. I personally have wanted to play this game for a few years, but if it were to come out tommorow I would probably save my money considering how much fun each of these two games is, maybe if you roll around in 3 months and i'm bored, you'll stand a better shot.
It might lose some some credability with the very insignificant percentage of gamers that are affirmed darkfall haters and other people that spend too much time caring about such things. I think most people realise that delays happen and won't be too fazed by it. It's not going to have any impact on eventual sales of the game.
People have been following this game literally for years. Whether they deliver this year or early next, I do not see the die-hard fans losing hope.
I think the only time people will totally give up on the dream that is Darkfall is when it is cancelled or whatnot.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
There are a lot of people, myself included, that are already bored with current MMO Themepark games and are dying for a Sandbox game like Darkfall.
This goes back to what Gajari said:
What exactly is Darkfall? I have been interested for a little while but I am having trouble finding actual, confirmed, concrete Dev posts on half the stuff I have seen some of the Darkfall Fanbois state is "definately in the game".
I have read some of the Dev Journals like this one http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2868-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-23-Tasos-Answers-29-Fan-Questions
but it interests me that answers like:
Fan Question: What will the construction system be like? Also, will players be able to create a city in mountains or in underground locations?
Tasos Flambouras: I'm not going to directly answer this question because we intend to show you at some point how the construction system works. Describing it here is not descriptive enough. We've said before that "building anywhere" is relative. In Darkfall you can't build in any location you want, but this provides with unique clan cities built in awesome locations. So your clan city can be built on top of a glacier, have a waterfall hiding its entrance, be built on several levels on the side and in caverns inside a mountain, have secret underwater entrances, on a remote island...that kind of thing.
Seem to have somehow been changed to "you can build anything anywhere!" in the minds of some Fanbois? (That is certainly not how I read it?)
I can't help but think the 'community' is setting this game up for failure?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
This goes back to what Gajari said:
What exactly is Darkfall? I have been interested for a little while but I am having trouble finding actual, confirmed, concrete Dev posts on half the stuff I have seen some of the Darkfall Fanbois state is "definately in the game".
I have read some of the Dev Journals like this one http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2868-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-23-Tasos-Answers-29-Fan-Questions
but it interests me that answers like:
Fan Question: What will the construction system be like? Also, will players be able to create a city in mountains or in underground locations?
Tasos Flambouras: I'm not going to directly answer this question because we intend to show you at some point how the construction system works. Describing it here is not descriptive enough. We've said before that "building anywhere" is relative. In Darkfall you can't build in any location you want, but this provides with unique clan cities built in awesome locations. So your clan city can be built on top of a glacier, have a waterfall hiding its entrance, be built on several levels on the side and in caverns inside a mountain, have secret underwater entrances, on a remote island...that kind of thing.
Seem to have somehow been changed to "you can build anything anywhere!" in the minds of some Fanbois? (That is certainly not how I read it?)
I can't help but think the 'community' is setting this game up for failure?
You're putting words in our mouths now. We have never said that you can build anywhere, at least not after that interview/update.
Darkfall is beyond credibility, it's a religion.
I agree.
A more significant impact on sales would be if they ended up not having a real OPEN Beta or some kind of Free Trial before the game launches.
From the very beginning Tasos has been stressing that they want people to try the game out before they have to buy it. If they don't deliver on that... there will be a lot of people that take a pass on the game when it does release.
This..
And what I see as the worst thing about Darkfall..
Is the supposed press. Any sort of relevant forum talk is over ran with Trolls who go out of there way to argue, and Fanbois who do the same. It all boils down to .. "How much do I want to play with these people who dismiss anything that isn't relevant to their argument.. "
And back to the original question..
If Darkfall doesn't release this year.. I don't think it'll hamper any of the companies credibility. The fanbois will make excuses and the trolls will have their day in the sun.. Darkfall will still be "hoping for open beta this year".. and we'll repeat.
I don't think Tasos will deliever on the open beta promise this year, maybe a stress test will be in order, but, even reading from the testing, I don't forsee a release.
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There are a lot of people, myself included, that are already bored with current MMO Themepark games and are dying for a Sandbox game like Darkfall.
There are a lot of people taht say they want a sandbox game, ture. But like Darkfall? I don't know. Lots of peopel say they want a sandbox game like SWG before teh NGE.
Is that the same thing?
I would suggest keeping Darkfall totaly underhyped, don't talk about it on other forums. This means that other players don't actually HAVE expectations for the game and so cannot be dissapointed. It also means that if the game is indeed good, it may become a sleeper hit-which in my opinion, is far more satisfying than overhype.
It also allows you to use that oh-so-wonderful phrase
"TOLD YA SO!"
It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay.
-Quote Isoke(VN boards)
Darkfall NEEDS to be a good game. If not, they won't succeed (folks, since Aventurine isn't owned by a large company like SOE, or EA, it HAS to succeed in order to stay in business).
what will end up happening is the next game getting "hyped" although, I don't see any other game getting hyped up this much unless Mortal Online doesn't launch until 2017.. in which case.. we'll have the same BS arguments we have now.. A bunch of Mortal Fanbois laughing at the "trolls".. I bet some of the Fanbois here would be amoung the MO Fanbois.. just seems to be in their nature to make up.. Whatevah.
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Or it is in our natures to follow games that interest us? Like full loot ffa pvp games...
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
This is what I mean. Is Darkfall a full loot ffa pvp game? Show me the link please.
There is so much BS posted by rabid fanbois (not referring to you BTW) that it is very difficult to find the real (developer) info.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
DF will launch and DF will succeed. DF IS the next big thing.
There are people who keep saying they want to be exceedingly safe because they dont want to receive the pain they did by falling in love with a previous game (AoC, DnL). I can understand this. The last and first time this ever happened to me was with Anarchy Online (I was quite dissapointed) I missed Dark and Light and the video's of AoC looked like ass and it was a lvl based game so I wasnt excited at all. I guess I was dissapointed with Assasin's Creed.. although it didnt matter much and I just went back to COD4.
Anyway, I can say honestly, that in my opinion when I look at all of the videos, information, and pics available it seems to me it is a far stretch to think that the game will be a buggy mess with half of the promised content. Every promise I have found important appears to have overhealming evidence. I mean it can be genuinly argued that it is fake... There are also entire books written about how elvis is still alive.. with overwhealming evidence.
If saying DF is a joke is to prevent you from teh pain of loss you already received.. i guess you are smart for beign skeptical..but in my opinion.. very little of what Aventurine says does not make sense to me.
Remember Old School Ultima Online
For me it was Shadowbane. I thought the game was going to be amazing from reading the list of features. Then I got in the beta, and thought, OMG, this is a real turd.
Feature list =/= actual gameplay.
Not ever.
What makes no sense is that you have decided it's impossible for this game to be buggy, because you saw a video.
For me it was Shadowbane. I thought the game was going to be amazing from reading the list of features. Then I got in the beta, and thought, OMG, this is a real turd.
Feature list =/= actual gameplay.
Not ever.
What makes no sense is that you have decided it's impossible for this game to be buggy, because you saw a video.
I dont think its impossible, I also didnt decide it from one video.. but multiple, especially the Athens technology 30 minuite live play video + the italian closed beta review
anyway.. be skeptical.. its better for everyone who is hehe
Remember Old School Ultima Online
Darkfall has been the butt of jokes for years for being nothing but vaporware. But as it draws hopefully closer to its completion, it's becoming clear that it is an actual real game. I think adding to the vaporware claim is the lack of information the company has been releasing on the game during its development. Rather than address the rumors, the devs have just been quietly plugging along and building a solid MMO.
And in the end, if and when this game releases, I think the critics will be silenced and the gamers will be satisfied. Look at all the critcism games take now for being released too early. Vanguard, AoC, etc. "Why pay to beta test?" is the refrain. Gamers get frustrated with them and the games end up with low population servers. I don't know if this is Aventurine's thinking, but regardless, it is doing the right thing by waiting. As much as I'm looking forward to trying this game, I know I wouldn't want it to release until it is completely done.
And as more and more information filters out about Darkfall, I think it's becoming clear why the development time has taken so long. Aventurine is a pretty small company that appears to be building a game on a size and scope that has never been done before. That doesn't happen overnight. So now that the end may finally be in sight, I'm going to wait patiently and let the devs do what needs to be done in order to complete this game. And I'll let the work speak for itself. If it doesn't live up to the hype, then I'll be right there saying it was all for nothing. But if it does what so many are hoping for, I'm sure all will be forgiven and forgotten by the fans who have waited so long.
i don't think a Dec release or Feb release makes much difference to the people who are planning on playing it.
what DOES make a big difference is the number of bugs in the game. AoC was released in almost alpha quality and tanked, War was released as a mid-late beta and is also losing a fair proprtion of their subscriber base. I hope DF doesn't get sucked into releasing before they're ready. seeing as they don't have some big faceless publisher breathing down their neck they are probably in the best possible position to make that call.
Well.. we've been told time and again that the time is "feature complete" and that "They've been beta testing this year" and that "The game is almost ready for testing" since 2003/4/5/6/7
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