Originally posted by Rhoklaw Actually Coldmeat, Shadowbanes Open Beta started like 10 or 14 days before release and I thought EQ2 wasn't having an Open Beta, am I wrong about this? One of many, Rhojan
I believe it was one of Moorgards posts, but one of the official types said they wouldn't have an open beta, they'd just be letting the rest of the people that had signed up into beta. Which is to say that they are technically having an open beta, it's just that the sign up for it already happened.
Plus the 4,500 or so that are getting in from FP, and then the various contests that are still going on.
Just seems a bit odd that they'd be giving out contest invites if the beta will end in a week or two. And with no mention of anything on the beta forums.
While they may very well release on the 9th, I'm currently of a mind that this is merely another marketing ploy designed to steal the thunder from Blizzards open beta hype.
And I realize full well the devs have busted their asses getting things to the point they are. That doesn't mean it's entirely ready for release quite yet. Esp. with them making sweeping changes to character progression, Betrayal quest is still borked, etc. Once they release the next patch with the new changes, and so on we'll all have a better idea of where things are at.
Honestly, I hope this isn't true. If it is, then it means they are trying to push the game out before WoW, and that could spell disaster, I guess only those in the beta know for certain whether this game is ready for release in 17 days. They better makes sure they don't turn this release into a flop like SWG was - alot of people make there first impressions those 1st few days, they drop the ball there and they'll never get it picked up in time for WoW.
Actually this is a great marketing move on SOE's part.
To release a game that isn't finished is second nature to SOE so they wouldn't bat an eye at dropping this one on us before its ready. As far as they are concerned anything that is wrong with it can be fixed post launch. This is standard SOE procedure and I gotta give them props for this one.
They know that allot of gamers are going to buy the first one to hit the shelves and most don't care whether its WOW or EQ2. SOE knows this and has decided to capitalize on it. Cant really blame them for wanting to beat WOW to the punch especially when it looked like WOW would make their current release date and EQ2 would not.
They might make crappy games but I have to give them an "A" for marketing strategy.
"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation." Malcolm X.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
I believe it was one of Moorgards posts, but one of the official types said they wouldn't have an open beta, they'd just be letting the rest of the people that had signed up into beta. Which is to say that they are technically having an open beta, it's just that the sign up for it already happened.
Do you recall where you heard this info Cold? Was it posted on the boards?
It seems a little annoying that they would in essence "sell" beta accounts to FP subscribers and ignore those that already signed up back at the beginning. I personally refuse to pay for a beta account since I pre-ordered.
Actually I myself am a bit taken aback by how many games are doing this...
It seems to me more and more games are starting to follow this trend of "selling" their beta spots to fileplanet. The Matrix Online has done the same thing. I personally think paying to test a game is rather silly in that normally it basically equals work for no pay. Assuming the tester takes it seriously.
I will not subscribe to fileplanet period and it makes me sad to know that people who may not care about the game will be getting to test it simply because they paid their subscription fee and those of us who would actually offer some insight and experience will be denied access because we do not want to pay for it.
"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation." Malcolm X.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
EBgames and Gamestop did not change the release date of EQ2. The publisher did. Makes the point of saying retailers 'pull dates out of a hate' void. Also, I have yet to see a retailer ever move an estimated release date foward when it comes closer on the calender.
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Originally posted by starman999 Actually I myself am a bit taken aback by how many games are doing this... It seems to me more and more games are starting to follow this trend of "selling" their beta spots to fileplanet. The Matrix Online has done the same thing. I personally think paying to test a game is rather silly in that normally it basically equals work for no pay. Assuming the tester takes it seriously. I will not subscribe to fileplanet period and it makes me sad to know that people who may not care about the game will be getting to test it simply because they paid their subscription fee and those of us who would actually offer some insight and experience will be denied access because we do not want to pay for it.
"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation." Malcolm X.
so did WoW
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Originally posted by iceseraph Wow required Fileplanet membership, not a subscription, Drega. You have to be a paying subscriber apparently to get one of the beta keys for EQ2.
you had to be a paying member when they first released the keys. They later changed to all membership.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
You deleted my post for the word mind-f***? When it wasn't an insult directed at an individual and was surrounded by relevant information?
Well, congratulations, that level of restrictive moderating is not what I am looking for in a message board for gamers. You want to regulate anger, passion, controversy and limited conflict?
Originally posted by Rhoklaw EQ2's release date has nothing to do with WoWs release date. SOE isn't pushing anything out the door. Reason being, back when both games had speculated release dates of 06/15/04, it was of course EQ2 who first updated it to 11/15/04 and then about 1 to 2 months later, WoW updated to 11/15/04 as well. So, it was in fact SOE who gave a later release date first when they were pushing dates back, so I don't know where you get the idea their trying to beat WoW to the punch. As for releasing a finished MMO? WTF is a finished MMO? People, you could release a game with 1 race, 1 class, 1 mob and 1 zone and call it an MMO. EQ2 has kicked hardcore arse the past few months to get where they are now, but of course, some of you won't give them any credit for that cause SOE let you down in the past, boohoo. The main concern I have at release for any MMO will always be Lag and Stability. As of right now, most beta testers complained of Lag only when in Antonica or Commonlands with minimum instability. Of course with the recent implementations, instability has returned. Hopefully, they can lock these bugs down in 18 days and if they can't, I guess they'll push the date back to a day that will allow them to do so. EQ2 was scheduled to release 23 days from today and in my experience, release dates, even speculated ones never shortened unless for a good reason. Why this happened without SOE confirming is beyond me. One of many, Rhojan
Ignorance is bliss... you might want to buy some flowers for your pet rat.
I can guarantee without a doubt that it will be released early, and will suffer greatly for it. It will be a duplicate of the SWG disaster, though it won't be handled as badly since there's no PvP.
All that said, WoW will release either complete or nearly complete, and running much more smoothly, and will be handled much better.
Bottom line: This move is good for SOE in the short term in some ways.. in the long term, it is a terrible mistake.
Originally posted by Thinman I can guarantee without a doubt that it will be released early, and will suffer greatly for it. It will be a duplicate of the SWG disaster, though it won't be handled as badly since there's no PvP. All that said, WoW will release either complete or nearly complete, and running much more smoothly, and will be handled much better.
Bottom line: This move is good for SOE in the short term in some ways.. in the long term, it is a terrible mistake. And MMOGs are about the long term, are they not? _______________________________________________________________________ Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives "I've been born again" "I'm coming to get you bastards" -Derrik, Bad Taste "The philosophy of a corporate entity umbrellas all activities. Obviously, SOE has a flawed way of doing business." -Crabby, MMORPG Boards
The 'Wow vs EQ2' forum is in General Discussion, your in the wrong area.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
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Originally posted by iceseraph Originally posted by Coldmeat I believe it was one of Moorgards posts, but one of the official types said they wouldn't have an open beta, they'd just be letting the rest of the people that had signed up into beta. Which is to say that they are technically having an open beta, it's just that the sign up for it already happened. Do you recall where you heard this info Cold? Was it posted on the boards? It seems a little annoying that they would in essence "sell" beta accounts to FP subscribers and ignore those that already signed up back at the beginning. I personally refuse to pay for a beta account since I pre-ordered.
I'll search for it later. If memory serves it was a post by Moorgard on the official forums, but I could be wrong on that one.
Originally posted by Drega Originally posted by Thinman I can guarantee without a doubt that it will be released early, and will suffer greatly for it. It will be a duplicate of the SWG disaster, though it won't be handled as badly since there's no PvP. All that said, WoW will release either complete or nearly complete, and running much more smoothly, and will be handled much better.Bottom line: This move is good for SOE in the short term in some ways.. in the long term, it is a terrible mistake. And MMOGs are about the long term, are they not? _______________________________________________________________________ Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives "I've been born again""I'm coming to get you bastards"-Derrik, Bad Taste "The philosophy of a corporate entity umbrellas all activities. Obviously, SOE has a flawed way of doing business."-Crabby, MMORPG BoardsThe 'Wow vs EQ2' forum is in General Discussion, your in the wrong area."SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
They know what they are doing with EQ2, they have taken all these things into consideration. They are in it for the long term. If you have paid any attention to the development of the game, you can certainly see that they are willing to give up a few launch subscribers in order to make the game more appealing in the long run. They have made the games graphics highly detailed in order to compete in the future. The graphics are also highly upgradable, along with the rest of the game. They put in place a system that would allow them to potentially raise the level cap up to 200 in the future. They have appropriate money sinks and have a well thought out, long term economy. They are in it for the long run.
I dont want to compare it to wow, but It seems I must. Wow's graphics are outdated NOW, how are they going to hold up in the future? The engine was not designed with upgradability in mind. Does wow have enough depth to keep players for years like EQ has? Or will it be fun casual gaming for a couple months, like city of heroes?
I cant wait for release, I hope they stay on schedule.
Originally posted by iceseraph Wow required Fileplanet membership, not a subscription, Drega. You have to be a paying subscriber apparently to get one of the beta keys for EQ2.
you had to be a paying member when they first released the keys. They later changed to all membership.
As of the Fileplanet website now it says:
Not subscribed to FilePlanet but want a chance at a seat in the EQ2 beta? Subscribe NOW and attempt to grab your spot tomorrow. Keys are delivered on a first-come, first-serverd basis so act fast!
Note: Subscribers have an opportunity to participate in the FilePlanet Exclusive of the EverQuest II Beta, which is distributing beta keys 10/22, 10/23, and 10/24 - please note that beta keys are not guaranteed.
Subscribe means "Pay" unfortunately....And Im NOT paying for a beta.
Im not telling you to go buy a flieplanet subscription. Simply stating even the almighty savior of gamers dreams aka blizzard sold keys to fileplanet. (if you took me serious on the blizzard quote please....please....run into a wall at full speed.)
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Originally posted by Coldmeat And just like the MxO beta you're not even guaranteed a spot for subscribing. Which makes it even more of a scam this time, since they only are giving out 4500, instead of 20k.
yep
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Originally posted by Drega Im not telling you to go buy a flieplanet subscription. Simply stating even the almighty savior of gamers dreams aka blizzard sold keys to fileplanet. (if you took me serious on the blizzard quote please....please....run into a wall at full speed.)
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
Im not sure what part of the WoW beta you are referring to that "blizzard sold keys to fileplanet".
For the stress test, you did NOT have to be a paying subscriber. I was not and I got into the stresst test through FP.
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I believe it was one of Moorgards posts, but one of the official types said they wouldn't have an open beta, they'd just be letting the rest of the people that had signed up into beta. Which is to say that they are technically having an open beta, it's just that the sign up for it already happened.
Plus the 4,500 or so that are getting in from FP, and then the various contests that are still going on.
Just seems a bit odd that they'd be giving out contest invites if the beta will end in a week or two. And with no mention of anything on the beta forums.
While they may very well release on the 9th, I'm currently of a mind that this is merely another marketing ploy designed to steal the thunder from Blizzards open beta hype.
And I realize full well the devs have busted their asses getting things to the point they are. That doesn't mean it's entirely ready for release quite yet. Esp. with them making sweeping changes to character progression, Betrayal quest is still borked, etc. Once they release the next patch with the new changes, and so on we'll all have a better idea of where things are at.
Honestly, I hope this isn't true. If it is, then it means they are trying to push the game out before WoW, and that could spell disaster, I guess only those in the beta know for certain whether this game is ready for release in 17 days. They better makes sure they don't turn this release into a flop like SWG was - alot of people make there first impressions those 1st few days, they drop the ball there and they'll never get it picked up in time for WoW.
Actually this is a great marketing move on SOE's part.
To release a game that isn't finished is second nature to SOE so they wouldn't bat an eye at dropping this one on us before its ready. As far as they are concerned anything that is wrong with it can be fixed post launch. This is standard SOE procedure and I gotta give them props for this one.
They know that allot of gamers are going to buy the first one to hit the shelves and most don't care whether its WOW or EQ2. SOE knows this and has decided to capitalize on it. Cant really blame them for wanting to beat WOW to the punch especially when it looked like WOW would make their current release date and EQ2 would not.
They might make crappy games but I have to give them an "A" for marketing strategy.
"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation."
Malcolm X.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Do you recall where you heard this info Cold? Was it posted on the boards?
It seems a little annoying that they would in essence "sell" beta accounts to FP subscribers and ignore those that already signed up back at the beginning. I personally refuse to pay for a beta account since I pre-ordered.
Actually I myself am a bit taken aback by how many games are doing this...
It seems to me more and more games are starting to follow this trend of "selling" their beta spots to fileplanet. The Matrix Online has done the same thing. I personally think paying to test a game is rather silly in that normally it basically equals work for no pay. Assuming the tester takes it seriously.
I will not subscribe to fileplanet period and it makes me sad to know that people who may not care about the game will be getting to test it simply because they paid their subscription fee and those of us who would actually offer some insight and experience will be denied access because we do not want to pay for it.
"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation."
Malcolm X.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
**eek*
language please
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
you had to be a paying member when they first released the keys. They later changed to all membership.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Not the lawn gnome. Those bastards have gone too far...
My understanding is no open beta. I do not recall SOE games having open beta... maybe Planetside did...
As for the deluded Blizzfans... have you even played WoW yet? DAoC at its release 4 years ago beats WoW, by a handy margin, in every category.
You deleted my post for the word mind-f***? When it wasn't an insult directed at an individual and was surrounded by relevant information?
Well, congratulations, that level of restrictive moderating is not what I am looking for in a message board for gamers. You want to regulate anger, passion, controversy and limited conflict?
Good luck to you then. Sorry I wasted your time.
Ignorance is bliss... you might want to buy some flowers for your pet rat.
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Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives
"I've been born again"
"I'm coming to get you bastards"
-Derrik, Bad Taste
"The philosophy of a corporate entity umbrellas all activities. Obviously, SOE has a flawed way of doing business."
-Crabby, MMORPG Boards
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
I can guarantee without a doubt that it will be released early, and will suffer greatly for it. It will be a duplicate of the SWG disaster, though it won't be handled as badly since there's no PvP.
All that said, WoW will release either complete or nearly complete, and running much more smoothly, and will be handled much better.
Bottom line: This move is good for SOE in the short term in some ways.. in the long term, it is a terrible mistake.
And MMOGs are about the long term, are they not?
_______________________________________________________________________
Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives
"I've been born again"
"I'm coming to get you bastards"
-Derrik, Bad Taste
"The philosophy of a corporate entity umbrellas all activities. Obviously, SOE has a flawed way of doing business."
-Crabby, MMORPG Boards
_______________________________________________________________________
Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
I'll search for it later. If memory serves it was a post by Moorgard on the official forums, but I could be wrong on that one.
You're right.. uhhhhh.. nevermind.
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Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives
"I've been born again"
"I'm coming to get you bastards"
-Derrik, Bad Taste
"The philosophy of a corporate entity umbrellas all activities. Obviously, SOE has a flawed way of doing business."
-Crabby, MMORPG Boards
_______________________________________________________________________
Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
They know what they are doing with EQ2, they have taken all these things into consideration. They are in it for the long term. If you have paid any attention to the development of the game, you can certainly see that they are willing to give up a few launch subscribers in order to make the game more appealing in the long run. They have made the games graphics highly detailed in order to compete in the future. The graphics are also highly upgradable, along with the rest of the game. They put in place a system that would allow them to potentially raise the level cap up to 200 in the future. They have appropriate money sinks and have a well thought out, long term economy. They are in it for the long run.
I dont want to compare it to wow, but It seems I must. Wow's graphics are outdated NOW, how are they going to hold up in the future? The engine was not designed with upgradability in mind. Does wow have enough depth to keep players for years like EQ has? Or will it be fun casual gaming for a couple months, like city of heroes?
I cant wait for release, I hope they stay on schedule.
you had to be a paying member when they first released the keys. They later changed to all membership.
As of the Fileplanet website now it says:
Not subscribed to FilePlanet but want a chance at a seat in the EQ2 beta? Subscribe NOW and attempt to grab your spot tomorrow. Keys are delivered on a first-come, first-serverd basis so act fast!
Note: Subscribers have an opportunity to participate in the FilePlanet Exclusive of the EverQuest II Beta, which is distributing beta keys 10/22, 10/23, and 10/24 - please note that beta keys are not guaranteed.
Subscribe means "Pay" unfortunately....And Im NOT paying for a beta.
And just like the MxO beta you're not even guaranteed a spot for subscribing.
Which makes it even more of a scam this time, since they only are giving out 4500, instead of 20k.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Im not sure what part of the WoW beta you are referring to that "blizzard sold keys to fileplanet".
For the stress test, you did NOT have to be a paying subscriber. I was not and I got into the stresst test through FP.
Edit: Sure looks like the EQ2 beta *chance* is only for paying customers. Hope I'm not missing something.
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/world-of-warcraft/542708p1.html
"Remember, sign-ups right now are limited to FilePlanet subscribers. If you aren't a subscriber, sign up to get the hookup! "
"you had to be a paying member when they first released the keys. They later changed to all membership."
I never said the keys werent eventually free, but paying fileplanet memebers got the stress test keys first.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...