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What's this 'WE goes down so quickly which is balance to their DPS....' garbage?
Spaceweed10
Member Posts: 625
The only time a WE goes down quickly, is when the entire grp notice one has popped on a squishy, and then focus fire it.
Did you wonder why this is the only class the ENTIRE group will stop what they are doing and turn on the WE until it is dead?
Because they are the most dangerous, overpowered class in the game.
Are you wondering why in the last couple of weeks, most Scenarios have 4-6 of these 'bitches' in them, and half of your group leaves when they see the line ups in the Scenario window?
Because they are the most dangerous, overpowered class in the game, and every man and his dog <and WoW kiddies> have rolled one because their RP gain is insane.
Only a tank <maybe> can withstand the full force of a WE coming out of stealth on you. One class can barely make a dent in a WE hp bar, and I've seen many of them take down 3 or 4 toons on a mad rampage, if the fighting is fragmented and they aren't spotted soon enough.
And WE's claim they are glass cannons? Don't make me laugh. Focus fire is the only thing that can take down a WE, and focus fire can take down a tank in 10secs, so what is the difference?
Do you think a WE is more squishy than any healer or ranged DPS in the game? No, they are not. They have KD, disarm, stun, armour debuffs, healing debuffs. movement debuffs <damage>, all at their disposal. What don't they get? Yet, they have the biggest burst damage of ALL the classes. That is not balance
In my 10yrs of online gaming, I have NEVER seen a more ridiculous burst DPS class. It is also the least skillful to play. 3 or 4 buttons pushes and run round in a mad circle whilst your auto attacks and DoTs are proccing a tidal wave of critical hits.
Complete madness, and its current incarnation is ruining the game experience.
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Congrats OP, you fail!
Witchhunters are just as bad making the sides balanced.
All classes in WAR are made to take a significant beating and when order has 5/12 brightwizards that are "glasscannons" we biach too. This isn't WoW, you can't 2-3 shot people and if you are letting a witch stay on you as a clothie or get behind you as other classes then you need to L2P.
... gamer forever
Learn to speak like a member of the human race for starters. Not some dweeb who thinks he's 'cool' because 'leet' sounds impressive echoing around a basement.
Secondly, you obviously know nothing about the balance of this game. WE > WH, it isn't even close.
Thirdly, a WE can 2 or 3 shot someone very easily. If you don't know what you are doing - like you for instance - they can 1 shot you with 'Enfeebling'.
Finally, you completely missed the point of the post, as you suggest 'all classes are designed to take a beating..'
No surprise there really.
Learn to speak like a member of the human race for starters. Not some dweeb who thinks he's 'cool' because 'leet' sounds impressive echoing around a basement.
Secondly, you obviously know nothing about the balance of this game. WE > WH, it isn't even close.
Thirdly, a WE can 2 or 3 shot someone very easily. If you don't know what you are doing - like you for instance - they can 1 shot you with 'Enfeebling'.
Finally, you completely missed the point of the post, as you suggest 'all classes are designed to take a beating..'
No surprise there really.
Witch Hunters, played by the right person, can be just as if not more deadly than a witch elf. I play both and yes I do agree the WE does have a few more tricks but to say they are geater than witch hunters is certainly not true in my opinion
Are you stuck in tier two? I see WE's drop around me as a black ork constantly in T4. Same with Witch hunters, but if I don't keep my attention on them, of course they'll drop me dead in a few seconds. IT'S THEIR CLASS MECHANIC! Learn2play balanced classes.
When I play a WP, I get dropped by WE's in an average of 5 seconds.
When I play as a WH, I drop "squishies" in an average of 2.563 seconds. Ok maybe not the .563 crap
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
Learn to speak like a member of the human race for starters. Not some dweeb who thinks he's 'cool' because 'leet' sounds impressive echoing around a basement.
Secondly, you obviously know nothing about the balance of this game. WE > WH, it isn't even close.
Thirdly, a WE can 2 or 3 shot someone very easily. If you don't know what you are doing - like you for instance - they can 1 shot you with 'Enfeebling'.
Finally, you completely missed the point of the post, as you suggest 'all classes are designed to take a beating..'
No surprise there really.
Running around while you have enfeebling strike on you for 15 secs and dying isn't being 1 shotted. It's called being an idiot.
I believe it all falls down to the same old basic mechanics.
If you are squishy..and you stand still, you are dead. Period.
Keep moving. Still target equals dead target. Use game mechanics like having tanks guard you, get another player between you and the WE or WH...collision detection is useful, etc. The game is not balanced around 1v1, but against group mechanics.
Any WP or DoK that gets dropped by anyone of similar level in less than 5 seconds should just quit. If you get dropped that fast it is because of one of two things...
1. You are not paying enough attention to what is going on, which is your fault.
2. You got focus fired, in which case there isn't anything you can do about it.
Learn to speak like a member of the human race for starters. Not some dweeb who thinks he's 'cool' because 'leet' sounds impressive echoing around a basement.
I am impressed with this response.
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Learn to speak like a member of the human race for starters. Not some dweeb who thinks he's 'cool' because 'leet' sounds impressive echoing around a basement.
Secondly, you obviously know nothing about the balance of this game. WE > WH, it isn't even close.
Thirdly, a WE can 2 or 3 shot someone very easily. If you don't know what you are doing - like you for instance - they can 1 shot you with 'Enfeebling'.
Finally, you completely missed the point of the post, as you suggest 'all classes are designed to take a beating..'
No surprise there really.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. They nerf the glass class, Bright Wizards, who relied on DPS including our Cage (though I rarely used it). Everyone complains we firecaged and dot to death. Well, that is exactly what happens to me. I get stunned and rooted and killed without being able to move. Or I get pulled by a magnet and become instant bait. We have nothing like that. I am level 37 with my wounds around 600 and my intelligence around 720. Stop Drop and Roll is very very unrealiable and I dont want to spec conflag just to push everyone away 30 feet. I have been 2 shot killed numerous times from a WE at almost full health., There is ZERO defense. Move and you die, stay still and you die. The only real hope is what someone else said, you hope you are positioned in a way that someone else takes notice. There was also a pet that did 2K worth of damage which surprised me, as well as a healer who two shot me....which is why the game will be void of BW soon. I just want to reach 40 so I can try a different class. I never see Witch Hunters being as effective in being as brutal as a Witch Elf. Its just ridulous that they can stealth and be such canons. If anything I think Wizards should have the power of invisibility. They are wizards after all lol.
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Learn to speak like a member of the human race for starters. Not some dweeb who thinks he's 'cool' because 'leet' sounds impressive echoing around a basement.
Secondly, you obviously know nothing about the balance of this game. WE > WH, it isn't even close.
Thirdly, a WE can 2 or 3 shot someone very easily. If you don't know what you are doing - like you for instance - they can 1 shot you with 'Enfeebling'.
Finally, you completely missed the point of the post, as you suggest 'all classes are designed to take a beating..'
No surprise there really.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. They nerf the glass class, Bright Wizards, who relied on DPS including our Cage (though I rarely used it). Everyone complains we firecaged and dot to death. Well, that is exactly what happens to me. I get stunned and rooted and killed without being able to move. Or I get pulled by a magnet and become instant bait. We have nothing like that. I am level 37 with my wounds around 600 and my intelligence around 720. Stop Drop and Roll is very very unrealiable and I dont want to spec conflag just to push everyone away 30 feet. I have been 2 shot killed numerous times from a WE at almost full health., There is ZERO defense. Move and you die, stay still and you die. The only real hope is what someone else said, you hope you are positioned in a way that someone else takes notice. There was also a pet that did 2K worth of damage which surprised me, as well as a healer who two shot me....which is why the game will be void of BW soon. I just want to reach 40 so I can try a different class. I never see Witch Hunters being as effective in being as brutal as a Witch Elf. Its just ridulous that they can stealth and be such canons. If anything I think Wizards should have the power of invisibility. They are wizards after all lol.
You're a squishy..you are suppose to drop fast. No, wizards should not have invisibility. I have no qualms about a blink like ability as long as it's on a decent timer to be an escape tool only. But for the love of god...no invisible mages.
Learn to speak like a member of the human race for starters. Not some dweeb who thinks he's 'cool' because 'leet' sounds impressive echoing around a basement.
Secondly, you obviously know nothing about the balance of this game. WE > WH, it isn't even close.
Thirdly, a WE can 2 or 3 shot someone very easily. If you don't know what you are doing - like you for instance - they can 1 shot you with 'Enfeebling'.
Finally, you completely missed the point of the post, as you suggest 'all classes are designed to take a beating..'
No surprise there really.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. They nerf the glass class, Bright Wizards, who relied on DPS including our Cage (though I rarely used it). Everyone complains we firecaged and dot to death. Well, that is exactly what happens to me. I get stunned and rooted and killed without being able to move. Or I get pulled by a magnet and become instant bait. We have nothing like that. I am level 37 with my wounds around 600 and my intelligence around 720. Stop Drop and Roll is very very unrealiable and I dont want to spec conflag just to push everyone away 30 feet. I have been 2 shot killed numerous times from a WE at almost full health., There is ZERO defense. Move and you die, stay still and you die. The only real hope is what someone else said, you hope you are positioned in a way that someone else takes notice. There was also a pet that did 2K worth of damage which surprised me, as well as a healer who two shot me....which is why the game will be void of BW soon. I just want to reach 40 so I can try a different class. I never see Witch Hunters being as effective in being as brutal as a Witch Elf. Its just ridulous that they can stealth and be such canons. If anything I think Wizards should have the power of invisibility. They are wizards after all lol.
You're a squishy..you are suppose to drop fast. No, wizards should not have invisibility. I have no qualms about a blink like ability as long as it's on a decent timer to be an escape tool only. But for the love of god...no invisible mages.
We were never invincible. You have it backwards. Its the classes that were not true cannons whining about not being at the top of the charts in DPS where they dont belong that caused the nerf. BW died plenty of time even before the patch since they were constantly blowing themselves up, or if they didnt have good healers helping out. Well, now you got it your way. Sorcerers and WE can be at the top of the charts now, with tanks in the race for DPS as well.
There Is Always Hope!
witch hunters rely on weapon skill on their main hand and balistic on their off hand.
witch elves need only weapon skill on both weapons.
even though the mechanics are the same it really makes a difference when wh get half the stat bonus on their dps because they got different weapons.
WEs will be nerfed next. Probably into the ground. It's Mythic's modus operandi when the QQ gets too intense, as it was around BWs.
As a WP I can drop a WE who is three lvls higher than me to 25% health before i'm dropped and in cases where we are of equal lvl or the WE is one lvl higher than me it becomes a battle of the smartest. Nowadays I can drop a WE without any problem (enchantments breakers are your friend).
This is not a game.
Well, have been playing rank 40 bw a while now, theres nothing we can do about a WE focosing on you, if u runt they slow u and then kill u in 2s (yes 2s not a yoke). Well people say its their job, i cant kill any class that fast and what is my job? after they nerfed i just DEL my bw and rolled a marauder. Well see how long i play untill i get bored leveling up another one to eraly, might aswell leave the game.
Well on topic again, WE kill all classes thats the problem with them, they should not kill BW ore clothies in 2sec, thats upper BS if u ask me. I would be happy if they killed me in 4sec so i could atleast do something, They should half WE damage cut in half so they kill clothies in 4s and kill tanks in double time that it takes for them.
Becourse this is not a 1on1 game. SO stop claiming that WE is suposed to tak a bw in 1on1.
WE destroys the game, order leaving and DEL theyr chars in frustration. They are so owepowered that it draw down the fun factor for almost every1 on order. Hope they nerf them soon for the game sakes
Edit: People are gona whine, QQ about them so mythic have to nerf them. Thats how mmos works today, whine whine whine baout some class to get nerfed its so fun. I really dont give a shit if the game end up no1 playing it as it seems more fun to QQ in forums then play
They are balancing the classes after SCENARIO damage, thats so sick.
Witch Hunter isnt better...
I want both out of the game WE and WH
in addition Bright Wizards and Sorcerors..
or Nerf them all for 50% less DMG
then maybe i come back to this doomed and missdesigned game
Witch Hunter isnt better...
I want both out of the game WE and WH
in addition Bright Wizards and Sorcerors..
or Nerf them all for 50% less DMG
then maybe i come back to this doomed and missdesigned game
Yeah cause they're going to get rid of or nerf 4 classes just to get you to come back...maybe we can also rig it for you to win the lottery too...
Some would say that they already destroyed more than 4 classes to get so many to leave...
So I'm not really sure what your point is?
Personally I don't really like the concept of nerfs and I never felt that WE's were "all that". OH wait before you start I played alliance so...
Game has larger issues than WE's imho (oh and no I didn't play a BW.. casters aren't my thing).
So they are going to have two things here:
1) Either they have lost as many subs already as some claim. In which case you will probably see unpopular (with current players) changes to get the numbers back.
or
2) They are happy with the numbers they are retaining and people playing WE's and BW's that post here can stop worrying...
Some would say that they already destroyed more than 4 classes to get so many to leave...
So I'm not really sure what your point is?
Personally I don't really like the concept of nerfs and I never felt that WE's were "all that". OH wait before you start I played alliance so...
Game has larger issues than WE's imho (oh and no I didn't play a BW.. casters aren't my thing).
So they are going to have two things here:
1) Either they have lost as many subs already as some claim. In which case you will probably see unpopular (with current players) changes to get the numbers back.
or
2) They are happy with the numbers they are retaining and people playing WE's and BW's that post here can stop worrying...
1. Why would they intentionally destroy classes to get people to leave their game...unless they like screwing things up on purpose.
2. My point is quite simple, he Is saying he'll come back if WE, WH, BW, and Sorc are removed or nerfed by 50% when he has griped and bitched about MULTIPLE items (those 4 classes being 1 of many of his problems with the game). So yeah they're going to drop 4 popular classes just to suit one person so they'll come back...yeah right.
3. I don't think classes should be nerfed either. They should either tone them down or bring the other classes up but not nerf.
4. Show me a game that has not had issues 3 months out from release.
Learn to speak like a member of the human race for starters. Not some dweeb who thinks he's 'cool' because 'leet' sounds impressive echoing around a basement.
Secondly, you obviously know nothing about the balance of this game. WE > WH, it isn't even close.
Thirdly, a WE can 2 or 3 shot someone very easily. If you don't know what you are doing - like you for instance - they can 1 shot you with 'Enfeebling'.
Finally, you completely missed the point of the post, as you suggest 'all classes are designed to take a beating..'
No surprise there really.
Witch Hunters, played by the right person, can be just as if not more deadly than a witch elf. I play both and yes I do agree the WE does have a few more tricks but to say they are geater than witch hunters is certainly not true in my opinion
True. I've taken down quite a few WE with my WH 1-on-1. You just have to pay attention to which attacks you place on them first and what you're following up with. proper timing of Execution is crucial, too.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
Meh, I cut WEs down like wheat so far with my KotBS. Wait, I know, my KotBS is overpowered too, right?
Shut up, and learn to fucking play.
I stoped playing this joke, WAR, a few weeks ago, i suggest (OP) you do the same, any person looking for a balanced pvp game, should avoid WAR, period.
WAR isn't balanced for 1v1 PvP, it's balanced for GROUP PvP. I know a lot of you WoW tards have difficulty understanding that concept. Every class in WAR has it's place in GROUP PvP. Learn yours, or go play WoW.