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khas001 · October 2004

OK, can I get a "Here, Here" for a HOPEFULLY NON FLAME thread about OB not being open...

I know ALL of us want OB really, really bad. So bad that ALL of us can taste it! Well concidering it's free and the reason they havn't released it yet is there are still Kinks they are working out... I'm more than happy to wait for a more finished product to help Open Beta TEST for them.

So my question is this... Concidering the ABOVE are a lot of us being unreasonable when we get upset and mad at the OB delay? Are we anxious to play to help or are we anxious to play cause we don't want to pay for the game?

Hope is a waking dream.
-Aristotle [384 BC - 322 BC]

Realmreaver · October 2004

Originally posted by khas001

OK, can I get a "Here, Here" for a HOPEFULLY NON FLAME thread about OB not being open...
I know ALL of us want OB really, really bad. So bad that ALL of us can taste it! Well concidering it's free and the reason they havn't released it yet is there are still Kinks they are working out... I'm more than happy to wait for a more finished product to help Open Beta TEST for them.
So my question is this... Concidering the ABOVE are a lot of us being unreasonable when we get upset and mad at the OB delay? Are we anxious to play to help or are we anxious to play cause we don't want to pay for the game?

Hope is a waking dream.
-Aristotle [384 BC - 322 BC]

I concider the following...

Early Ad forces Blizzard's hand to put up a BS statement saying signups soon while they basically ignore us and continue as if the ad never ran yet...

Going on 3 weeks people are getting VERY frustrated. Empty headed threats are mad and someone at EQ2 got a green light atop their heads...

Now on a friday, where all but the devs are going home for the weekend, EQ2 pulls a fast one with a Nov 8th release date. Players are going HMMMmmm.. even some of the WoW fans..... (picky aren't we?)

Knowing FULL well that they have a LARGE fanbase and that they can't let WoW get an upper hand, they are gonna push the game out early and hopefully get the bugs worked out quickly. Players continue to think about it.... and it stirs their soul....

By basing how long players played that POS game SW:G they expect the suckers er players to remain with them till they get this work out knowing full well unlike SWG which would have been a competitor if not for their dirty tricks they pulled on Lucasarts, they WILL spend the nessary resources to get this up and running smooth ASAP due to the WoW threat.

Now the ball is in Blizzard's court... What Will Blizzard Do? (WWBD?)

Former Stress Tester of the guild Stress Tester.

froby1kinobi · October 2004

I am both anxious to play but also willing to assist Blizzard in making WoW the best it can be.

If Blizzard ups the release date to match EQ2, WoW will not be complete. People will express their dissappointment quite loudly about Blizzard releasing the game before it was ready. I am basing this opinion on the fact that OB hasn't started yet.
And if Blizzard pushes the release date back, they can potentially loose players to EQ2 and have to listen to the people waiting for WoW to express their dissappointment quite loudly.

So Blizzard is in a bind either way. And Blizzard will have to listen to players express their dissappointment quite loudly.

maddogmikie · October 2004

This is out of the topic, but khas001 may I ask what MMO's you have played before?

Thank you.

khas001 · October 2004

Sure, don't mind at all. I just want to ask why... But here's my list...

Ultima Online, EQ, DAOC, Planetside, Earth & Beyond, RYL, WoW [stress test]

On a side note, been a RPG user, [Rifts, VTM, D&D] for 7 years as well.

Hope is a waking dream.
-Aristotle [384 BC - 322 BC]

maddogmikie · October 2004

Ah thank you.

from looking at your picture you seem like a person who love to do RPG.

I love RPG but wasnt consistant in one game went back and forth.

but going to stick with WoW.

BTW I left a reply on your giuld thread.

Crono1000 · October 2004

Well what i think Blizzard will do is change release date of WoW to Nov. 12th not alot but enough to satisfy most people from losing intrest in there game and they will have OB out within 2-3 days maximum (im sure we wouldent see ob til nov if Eq2 dident move theres up to 8th what a dirty little trick lol and on a friday i think they did that purpusly) so thats gunna take alot of work on their part if they wanna compete with this or blizzard will do nothing act like it doesent really matter and release the game about 20 days after what they said lol but im goin with my first guess

Neas · October 2004

The wait will be worth it,

EQ will be released as a buggy client and many will be disillusioned. The poster who posted this is obv intelligent enough to see its marketting and not actual game design. 70% chance that EQ2 on release will be highly buggy and 80% finished product whereas WoW will be polished and 100% finished in terms of release status.

So what if people go to EQ2 if its buggy to hell they will cancel subscription and go to blizzard.

I say "Its done when its done" not "EQ2 change their dates quick lets change ours too".

Then again im beta testing so .... :P

Beta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft

::Botan:: · October 2004

Neas I hate you so much you lucky fool.

:: Botan ::

LoStCaUz3 · October 2004

15 days...Settle down. Some people have followed this game for a while. 15 days means nothing to them. A fraction of the time they have known and followed this game. After all of the long years, what's a couple more days?

Crono1000 · October 2004

All I can say to that is yep i wouldent much care if i had been waiting 1 year already ive been waitin for about 5 months maybe more but couldent decide on WoW or Eq2

Thinman · October 2004

Originally posted by Neas
The wait will be worth it,EQ will be released as a buggy client and many will be disillusioned. The poster who posted this is obv intelligent enough to see its marketting and not actual game design. 70% chance that EQ2 on release will be highly buggy and 80% finished product whereas WoW will be polished and 100% finished in terms of release status.So what if people go to EQ2 if its buggy to hell they will cancel subscription and go to blizzard. I say "Its done when its done" not "EQ2 change their dates quick lets change ours too".Then again im beta testing so .... :PBeta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft

I'm not a beta tester but I agree with you.

If they think in terms of mid-long term, simply disregarding EQ2's release and releasing when it's ready will be a sure win for them.

EQ2 will go the way of SWG, most likely. It's SOE, after all. They don't seem capable of learning from their own mistakes, or from history.

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Coldmeat · October 2004

On a slightly off topic note, it would appear that SOE has worked it's 'magic' yet again with the JtL expansion.

More fun than playing WoW, will be watching the SOE apologists defend the game. And defend EQ2 when it gets released to early.

I eagerly await the excuses

Thinman · October 2004

Originally posted by Coldmeat
On a slightly off topic note, it would appear that SOE has worked it's 'magic' yet again with the JtL expansion.More fun than playing WoW, will be watching the SOE apologists defend the game. And defend EQ2 when it gets released to early.
I eagerly await the excuses

I have this premonition that the situation with SOE will soon reach a critical mass where even the SOE apologists can't hold up anymore, and SOE is just universally hated... maybe it's sick wishful thinking, but it's an enjoyable thing to envision anyway.

I base this on the fact that both the JtL expansion and EQ2 are releasing soon, and it seems that both are classic SOE product. There would have to be a point where even those most able to put up with it would finally turn against them.. We'd have to hope so, anyway.

In any case, it will be fun to watch them hemorrage money from more than just SWG.. if even a giant gets enough wounds, it'll bleed to death like anything else.

Not that I'm bitter or anything. I'm never bitter..... just seeking revenge against corporate greed. ::::27:: ::::28::

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timmytwist · October 2004

Originally posted by Neas

The wait will be worth it,
EQ will be released as a buggy client and many will be disillusioned. The poster who posted this is obv intelligent enough to see its marketting and not actual game design. 70% chance that EQ2 on release will be highly buggy and 80% finished product whereas WoW will be polished and 100% finished in terms of release status.
So what if people go to EQ2 if its buggy to hell they will cancel subscription and go to blizzard.
I say "Its done when its done" not "EQ2 change their dates quick lets change ours too".
Then again im beta testing so .... :P

Beta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft

I agree. I don't think that EQ II moving their release date matters at all. If open beta truly is open to anyone what's the difference? By the time the Nov 8th EQ release date comes around there will be so many people already playing the WoW open beta anyways. I say that tithes them over until the actual WoW release date. If EQ II wanted to be shady they'd put the thing on shelves tomorrow.

prism80 · October 2004

I love how everyone just underestimates SOE and EQ2.

I'm doing both closed betas for both games so I can have a direct comparison for both of them. WOW is ready to go live, no doubt. But they want to polish it and make it the best it can. It will be good, no doubt. But EQ2 is going to most definetly give it a run for its money. Its not perfect, hell its a SOE game. But being released before WOW is going to make it a little harder on Blizzard. Many people are just going to pick this one up to see what it has. Eventhough it might not be perfect, most players don't know if WOW is any better at this point. They read things from the WOW fanboys that say its good, its ready, cant wait...but Blizzard won't give any detail, information, confirmation, nothing about the game to their players. No doubt a bad move on their part. Letting the community down is most definetly going to cost some players.

I will wait for WOW since I like the beta alot, but I do believe many gamers will go pick up EQ2 just because its out sooner.

jeep21243 · October 2004

i think its a terrible error on behalf of blizzard to put their product off as long as they have. SOE is finally going to burn them a little for it now, and i think they deserve it. so to answer the original question, i think peoples whines are justifiied, most people now are saying that open beta wont come for at least another 2 weeks, and that launch will probably not be this year, so it will be interesting to see what reallly happens.

at least ill be able to enjoy eq2 for a while now.

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Neas · October 2004

Oh yea btw did i mention now that the EQ2 NDA is lifted i beta tested it :P.

Well technically i still do, but i never play it for it is fairly unpolished (not that many bugs) but doesn't feel right. If you love grind at its best then EQ2 might be for you :P.

Beta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft

hercules · October 2004

I think there is no such beta tester that wants to exclusively help the company.

That comes as a by product.

Some want free game time because they don't or can't pay to play.

Some want a feel of the game before it goes live.

But some are reasonable enough while in beta to actually test the game out.

I am honest and will say i am in it to have a feel of the game and see if i want to play the live version and gain knowledge in the game.

In return i feel obliged to test the game out as much as possible and report bugs and give feedbacks.

In short it comes to a point in the beta i just want the game to go live so i can make a character that i know will be with me for a while not get wiped in a few months time but only when the game feels ready to go.

Athea · October 2004

I say give em' time. I don't know why they are taking so long though.

Admin / Owner of warcraftradio.com (World of Warcraft Radio)

Blackstar · October 2004

Alot of people are desperate to play anything at this point. I really doubt very many will cancel their pre-orders of EQ2 so dont think the lack of "readiness" will affect its sales very much. Long term impact will depend on how quickly SOE patches and makes EQ2 ready, as the masses grind through the lower levels. It it takes longer then a couple months then SOE is screwed.

maddogmikie · October 2004

hmmm... I believe we all in a same boat aye??

EQ2 is getting ready to launch even though its not ready yet, but WoW is still a mystery when its gonna start OB.

at this moment nobody knows what blizzard is thinking, but I really hope that they read these posts and make their desision ASAP.

Dryze · October 2004

I want a well made game, with not too many bugs glitches or crashes (I have played Planetside and SWG for long times.) I hope OB is soon but I will gladly pay for the game when it comes out.

Realmreaver · October 2004

Originally posted by Dryze
I want a well made game, with not too many bugs glitches or crashes (I have played Planetside and SWG for long times.) I hope OB is soon but I will gladly pay for the game when it comes out.

The prob is it was almost ready at Stress Test time.. except for talents most starting areas and such was about ready... People would have paided for it then and there.... Hell as it was the game was about 20X what SW:G is right now =/

I think this last patch was rushed and we are pooched cause of it... Blizzard is about to get defrosted by EQ2 and they have only themselves to blame for it....

As long as this Sign up comming soon thing been going? People are thinking oh goodie another Warcraft adventures... =P

"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'

iDust · October 2004

I hadn't even realised there was such a thing as talents until hitting the wrong key at the end of beta and noticing a talent window popping up. I was happy without them then and I'd be fine without them now, but they're adding in what they need to for final polishing. The miscommunication however announcing beta coming soon was a bad move though. They know it, but they dont post up any changes to that info, a date or anything and that's frustrating. I used to be with a host that would abuse the phrase "soon" and now it's an inside joke people use when talking about them. For me it just brings up communication nightmares from that company. I HATE communication issues.

Oh well, at least lucas arts has nothing to do with it, they'd announce the project a dud and pump more star wars b.s. out. Jedi Janitor 2, now with wooki washers. :O

Realmreaver · October 2004

Originally posted by iDust

I hadn't even realised there was such a thing as talents until hitting the wrong key at the end of beta and noticing a talent window popping up. I was happy without them then and I'd be fine without them now, but they're adding in what they need to for final polishing. The miscommunication however announcing beta coming soon was a bad move though. They know it, but they dont post up any changes to that info, a date or anything and that's frustrating. I used to be with a host that would abuse the phrase "soon" and now it's an inside joke people use when talking about them. For me it just brings up communication nightmares from that company. I HATE communication issues.
Oh well, at least lucas arts has nothing to do with it, they'd announce the project a dud and pump more star wars b.s. out. Jedi Janitor 2, now with wooki washers. :O

/amen I didn't relize it till I was level 12 I had talents LOL By that time my char was getting too 'weak' in my eyes. Then a druid gave me a long blue cloak... ))) sucker was like armor 82 and I was 12th level too and well it required 12th level so heh...

"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'

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