Pretty straight forward.... 2.8 million copies in 24 hours. I don't play WoW, but it seems no other game can match it's overpowering MMO force... PS: In case no one noticed, EQ2's expansion actually charted #5 on NPD sales during the week of it's release ...this has never happened for EQ2...yet LOTRO did not even hit the top 50..so, if I had a second vote, it would be EQ2 for showing it still has the power to attract players after a dismal launch and 4 years running.
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
umm why would it? oh edit:P i forget all the losers who dont have a cc
Pretty straight forward.... 2.8 million copies in 24 hours. I don't play WoW, but it seems no other game can match it's overpowering MMO force... PS: In case no one noticed, EQ2's expansion actually charted #5 on NPD sales during the week of it's release ...this has never happened for EQ2...yet LOTRO did not even hit the top 50..so, if I had a second vote, it would be EQ2 for showing it still has the power to attract players after a dismal launch and 4 years running.
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
umm why would it? oh edit:P i forget all the losers who dont have a cc
sorry i wasn't clear on that. didn't mean sales in general. just meant the number of sales in that initial 24 hour period. On another note. Sorry I'm not an elite master forum poster and gameing guru like yourself.....oh wait sorry. Just realized your only an apprentice. Must be the noob coming out of me again.
To myself, Moria is the only expansion up there worth money at all (I know EVE is free). WotLK introduced one new class (which you had to 55 to play anyways) and one small (compared to others) landmass (that you also had to be a high level to play). I never really heard anything big about the two EQ expansions. And I'm sure the EVE one didn't double the playable space and add a bunch of items and what not.
Mines of Moria doubled LOTROs playspace with Eregion, Lorethias and Moria, introduced two completely new classes from the start. Both classes with very unique playstyles. New items for all levels of the classes. And the legendary item system. Not only is the quantity huge, but the quality of the expansion in bar none.
Wraith of the Lich King compares to LOTRO's free updates, even with the addition of Northrend (which is really just an arctic wasteland, I wouldn't think it that interesting).
Game companies need to learn what an expansion really is. WotLK is NOT an expansion, it's a scam. MoM IS an expansion. An expansion pack should significantly add more to the game. One small landmass and a class that only high level players can use if not significant. Three areas, which combined double the playable area of LOTRO, and two new classes (with all items) and a new item system, legendary weapons, makes for something you could put money out for.
Comparable also is Star Wars: Galaxies. Trials of Obi-Wan was NOT a decent expansion. It added one planet, that was nearly all just dungeons. Not something I'd pay for. Jump to Lightspeed, on the other hand, was a great expansion. It added an entirely new dimension to gameplay.
MoM got my vote. @ Frostbite55 You are very wrong. I don't like WoW, I have my reasons. Obviously WoW fanboys will vote for WotLK. Anyone who has experienced MoM knows it's better. Can you really justify yourself spending 40 bucks for a small island to play on and one class? I can surely justify my 85 bucks for what I got with MoM. It's higher quality, higher quantity. And all around better. I think you're just the 'hater' here, not I.
Thank You,
- Eric
I haven't tried MoM so I'll take your word for the info you posted. If MoM doubled its landmass, then yeah, its a huge benefit for the game. The other features also seem to be pretty big one: 2 classes, legendary item (i like the idea very much). But just as I don't speak out of my ass pouring dirt on MoM, you shouldn't do so to WoW. WoW is not an arctic wasteland. It has lush forests and swamps and those "magic" type of areas where theres energy all around you. Sure there are lots of snow, but its not a desert. Also, if you check the map Northrend added about 1/4 or 1/3 of the landmass. Not as big as MoM but not that tiny either. One new class is OK too. Its not great IMO because DKs start at level 55 and are very much overpowered compared to other classes of the same level. But its a decent addition. Lots of new crafting content rejuvenanted the whole crafting side of the game. Some crafting professions are actualy meaningfull and have a point. For example tailoring gets a recepie to make a flying carpet that acts like a mount. Cant wait to fly that! I only touched WOTLK, but so far Im liking it. I wish it was a bit bigger, like MoM. But its not a bad expansion. Definitely worthy of a vote.
I know WoW itself has many different areas of land (kudos to Blizzard for that by the way) types. But Northrend tends to be an arctic wasteland. Some areas of it are lush, although it doesn't seem much is.
I see the Death Knight is a fine class, being it's pretty much a jack or all trades, but I think it was a bad decision to make it so you had to be 55 to use it. And so that the landmass is only accessible to high levels.
I also simply HATE the fact you MUST have TBC to play WOTLK, it makes my gut churn that Blizzard would stoop to such a level to sell more product. This would be one of the reasons I didn't vote for it.
As for the numbers game, I don't care. Frankly, the majority of the United State's population (I know the 11million players aren't just from the US) is overweight and have below average IQs. Does this mean that being overweight and slightly stupid is better than not? Do you see where I'm getting? I'm also pretty sure a higher percentage of high school teens drink before 21 than those who don't. Does this mean it's better? Number mean squat. WoW has higher numbers because it is more accessible to those with sub-par rigs or those who aren't the smartest people ever (it's a rather simple game is it not?).
I have not personally dove into WOTLK but I have played WoW for two months (total play time of just over 100 hours) and have seen friends play a good bit of WOTLK. The Death Knights look pretty awesome, and Nothrend is a good looking place, at least I like the art style there better than the rest of the game. Although I quit because I got bored. It was the same thing forever. Quests at an early level (up to around 30-40) are mostly "Kill this", "Get this", or "Find this/him/her/it" and it's just not fun. They need more low level content.
For example, last night I just played through LOTROs intro/tutorial again. I found with the new expansion they actually introduced a new dungeon with it's own quest into the intro (a short 6 level semi-instanced area of the game). And made some changes to the map for the first fully instanced area you go for about one level, a total of 5 minutes. Although it's not much, I really enjoyed the new content they added for players coming right out of the gate, even before they can see a character level 10 or higher.
WoW might also want to look at adding a better tutorial, to reduce idiotic questions like "how do i attk?" which in my play time I heard more times than I should have. Something semi instanced (where you see only others doing the same tutorial) would work well. The quests could teach you how to do stuff and ease you into the game. Bliz's next expansion should add low level content, so people don't get bored and quite before they reach the high level stuff.
In the end, MoM added so much to the game, it was and is quite amazing. I wasn't that impressed by WOTLK apart from the fact there was a shoddy story with cinematics and Northrend looks pretty good considering the style.
Thank You,
- Eric
PS, May I add I don't want LOTRO as popular as WoW. I never will have a little idiot 10 year old start dancing as a naked Elf in the middle of Bree saying "53x me!" over and over while someone else spams "ur mom" over and over in OOC chat. If that day comes, I will leave. Immediately. And we all know, more players, more idiots. I have ran into one so far who PMed me "Shut the f**k up" because I correctly answered his question. It seems he didn't know how to read, although after I showed him what I typed he did find out what "Exit Game" meant.
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Really, I think to qualify for voting on this you'd have to play all the MMOs and their corresponding X-pacs; certanly, Eve's X-pac brings the biggest change to the existing game and mught be considered the most important just from that standpoint. I play WoW right now and am enjoying WotLK overall, but it wouldn't surprise me if EQ2's is better. Anyhoo, I obstain from voting because I've played all these games but not the X-pac of any but WoW so feel I'm not qualified.
Exactly. Its just another popularity contest between followers of games, who could be bothered or just happen to be visiting the site during the time of the poll.
"Alright children, take out a pencil and a piece of paper.........."
That's a joke, right? Alright, here's what you get in WotLK...
10 more levels (woot...)
1 new continent (woot...)
1 new class (woot...)
100 or so new items (... lame)
Siege-like combat...
So basically you're paying your $50 (or whatever) for an "expansion" the size of 1/10th of the initial game. Really, this isn't an expansion. Blizzard is making you pay for a update patch...
Expansions should be nearly the size of the initial game, *period*. There's absolutely no reason for them not to be because you already have the framework to work with. Blizzard really put 0 effort into WotLK and I won't be going back to a game that wants me to pay for such minor updates.
I bet Blizzard could sell you people sh*t on a stick if they labelled it WoW.
I know WoW itself has many different areas of land (kudos to Blizzard for that by the way) types. But Northrend tends to be an arctic wasteland. Some areas of it are lush, although it doesn't seem much is.
I see the Death Knight is a fine class, being it's pretty much a jack or all trades, but I think it was a bad decision to make it so you had to be 55 to use it. And so that the landmass is only accessible to high levels.
I also simply HATE the fact you MUST have TBC to play WOTLK, it makes my gut churn that Blizzard would stoop to such a level to sell more product. This would be one of the reasons I didn't vote for it.
I agree here with you 100%. Furthermore, I would like to add that the fact that their expansions make gear from previous expansion practically obsolete is also a cheap sales tactic. I hate that When I am leveling in Old world, everything is basically worthless - so I try to level as fast as I can to get to outlands and get the superior gear. And now, with WOTKL, Outlands gear is crap in comparison to WOTKL, so now I dont even stop and take my time doing various things in Outlands, i just try to get exp as fast as possible.
If this trend continues, it may as well ruin the game because you do not feel attached to the world around you, you know that anything you do is worthless untill you get to the latest expansion area. Nothing really matters except how fast you can level.
As for the numbers game, I don't care. Frankly, the majority of the United State's population (I know the 11million players aren't just from the US) is overweight and have below average IQs. Does this mean that being overweight and slightly stupid is better than not? Do you see where I'm getting? I'm also pretty sure a higher percentage of high school teens drink before 21 than those who don't. Does this mean it's better? Number mean squat. WoW has higher numbers because it is more accessible to those with sub-par rigs or those who aren't the smartest people ever (it's a rather simple game is it not?).
You cant compare those statistics. And even if you are smarter then an average person, that doesn't mean the average person is stupid. The average person IS the average person. Since we dont know the real statistics (yeah i hear "WoW is full of kids" statement thrown around as if it were a fact) so I can't say who exactly plays WoW. Drinking example is completely irrelevent and incomparable in this situation.
You probably know how statistics work, to get an average IQ you get a sum of all IQs and divide by the number of people. If you claim that WoW has more numbers because its simple and so not-so smart people can play it then you are wrong there. WoW is not simple. If by simple you mean you have a question and 3 answers to it, then no, WoW is not like that. WoW is very complex in its structure, it allows players to follow various paths in the progression. People who claim it is "simple" get confused by its casual friendliness. Just because you are able to solo to 80 does NOT make a game simple. Its accessible, not simple. You can login for 1 hour and actually DO something. I login for 30-40 mins every morning before I go to work and I play the market, craft, gather resources, grind for a rare item/recepie or just do a few quests. I dont have to wait 1 hour LFGing, i login and i start playing immediately. No wait period, no timers, no boredom.
Is WoW simple to play? Ill give you example. In EQ1, as a level 70, how many spells/skills did a warrior have? 10? 20? My level 71 hunter has about 6 bars full of skills, abilities, talents, potions, clicky items. Thats about 60-70 abilities. Granted most of them aren't used often, but they are used if a specific situation demands it. Its like a chess, if you have 1 tactic only, you will fail 99% of time. You gotta adapt, gotta use different tactics and strategies.
So no, WoW is not simple. In fact, I dare say, out of all the games that I have played (i played about 70% of MMOs on the market), WoW is the most complex game overall. The only close rival in its complexity is Eve. I haven't played Eve at high end so I can't really compare to full extend. Eve is the only game that has that deep complexity and variaty. no other game that I can think of right now comes close to the level of complexity in WoW or Eve.
I have 8 active chars, but I am able to level only about 4 of them because as a casual gamer that can spend no more then 4-5 hours a day to WoW, I don't have enough time to do all the things I can do with all my characters. People who chose to ignore all those different aspects of the game are the ones that call it simple. If someone just grinds exp and doesnt craft or explore or does any quests, then to that someone the game does look simple. But its only because he or she limits himself/herself to one particular aspect of the game.
Sorry for rumbling a lot of text above. If you dont want to read all of it above, ill just summarize it in a few sentences.
If you take one particular aspect of WoW, then yes, it isn't very complex or deep. WoW appeals to so many people becuase it has many of those little aspects. And thats what people like - variety of many ordinary things, and not 1 or 2 complex things. WoW is not a specialist. WoW is a generalist.
I have not personally dove into WOTLK but I have played WoW for two months (total play time of just over 100 hours) and have seen friends play a good bit of WOTLK. The Death Knights look pretty awesome, and Nothrend is a good looking place, at least I like the art style there better than the rest of the game. Although I quit because I got bored. It was the same thing forever. Quests at an early level (up to around 30-40) are mostly "Kill this", "Get this", or "Find this/him/her/it" and it's just not fun. They need more low level content.
I agree with you here. I also wish they introduced more low level content.
For example, last night I just played through LOTROs intro/tutorial again. I found with the new expansion they actually introduced a new dungeon with it's own quest into the intro (a short 6 level semi-instanced area of the game). And made some changes to the map for the first fully instanced area you go for about one level, a total of 5 minutes. Although it's not much, I really enjoyed the new content they added for players coming right out of the gate, even before they can see a character level 10 or higher.
WoW might also want to look at adding a better tutorial, to reduce idiotic questions like "how do i attk?" which in my play time I heard more times than I should have. Something semi instanced (where you see only others doing the same tutorial) would work well. The quests could teach you how to do stuff and ease you into the game.
Bliz's next expansion should add low level content, so people don't get bored and quite before they reach the high level stuff.
I agree with you completely. If WoW makes another BC or WOTKL, then I will most likely not purchse it. I do not like the idea that my leveling through azeroth is rendered useless by BC, and BC useless by WOTKL, and WOTKL useless by WOTKL2.
In the end, MoM added so much to the game, it was and is quite amazing.
I wasn't that impressed by WOTLK apart from the fact there was a shoddy story with cinematics and Northrend looks pretty good considering the style.
Thank You,
- Eric
PS, May I add I don't want LOTRO as popular as WoW. I never will have a little idiot 10 year old start dancing as a naked Elf in the middle of Bree saying "53x me!" over and over while someone else spams "ur mom" over and over in OOC chat. If that day comes, I will leave. Immediately. And we all know, more players, more idiots. I have ran into one so far who PMed me "Shut the f**k up" because I correctly answered his question. It seems he didn't know how to read, although after I showed him what I typed he did find out what "Exit Game" meant.
LOL, As you grow older, you will learn to ignore all the silliness of the little children around you. Kids will be kids. You can't change them, just have to wait till they grow up and become you. hehe
That's a joke, right? Alright, here's what you get in WotLK...
10 more levels (woot...)
1 new continent (woot...)
1 new class (woot...)
100 or so new items (... lame)
Siege-like combat...
So basically you're paying your $50 (or whatever) for an "expansion" the size of 1/10th of the initial game. Really, this isn't an expansion. Blizzard is making you pay for a update patch...
Expansions should be nearly the size of the initial game, *period*. There's absolutely no reason for them not to be because you already have the framework to work with. Blizzard really put 0 effort into WotLK and I won't be going back to a game that wants me to pay for such minor updates.
I bet Blizzard could sell you people sh*t on a stick if they labelled it WoW.
Or maybe twice as big PERIOD? Or maybe 10 times bigger PERIOD? Cmon mr. troll, you know you can do better.
Seriously, there is no expansion in MMORPG history as big and as polished as WoTLK. And noone gives a shit about will you return to WoW or die next week.
I always appreciate the effort put into the site but I don't really understand this poll. In order to have a valid opinion and cast a vote I would have to play and own the expansion to every one of these games, which I don't so I can't.
Basically it's just asking for people to vote for the expansion to whatever game they happen to play if on that list.
Guess I'll just help out the lunatic eve swarm that always shows up during these times and vote that.
Pretty straight forward.... 2.8 million copies in 24 hours. I don't play WoW, but it seems no other game can match it's overpowering MMO force... PS: In case no one noticed, EQ2's expansion actually charted #5 on NPD sales during the week of it's release ...this has never happened for EQ2...yet LOTRO did not even hit the top 50..so, if I had a second vote, it would be EQ2 for showing it still has the power to attract players after a dismal launch and 4 years running.
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
This is true. I'd paid for, downloaded, and installed Mines of Moria a full week before it was even released. Released day just unlocked what I already had installed. Lots of members did the digital download option.
Pretty straight forward.... 2.8 million copies in 24 hours. I don't play WoW, but it seems no other game can match it's overpowering MMO force... PS: In case no one noticed, EQ2's expansion actually charted #5 on NPD sales during the week of it's release ...this has never happened for EQ2...yet LOTRO did not even hit the top 50..so, if I had a second vote, it would be EQ2 for showing it still has the power to attract players after a dismal launch and 4 years running.
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
This is true. I'd paid for, downloaded, and installed Mines of Moria a full week before it was even released. Released day just unlocked what I already had installed. Lots of members did the digital download option.
Another +1 to MOM I was able to play on release day without leaving my house since Blizzard wants to be able to brag about Box sales since they make their customers go out to the store at midnight if ya wanna play at release.
It was very nice having the game ready to go a week prior as I was one of the dumb asses that stood outside waiting for BC to release at midnight last year in the frezzing cold.
More proof that Blizzard does less for their subscribers since they wanted to be able to set a 24 hour sales record. Thanks Turbine for allowing me to stay warm and play on release day with no hassle.
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While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it.
PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic.
I always appreciate the effort put into the site but I don't really understand this poll. In order to have a valid opinion and cast a vote I would have to play and own the expansion to every one of these games, which I don't so I can't. Basically it's just asking for people to vote for the expansion to whatever game they happen to play if on that list.
Guess I'll just help out the lunatic eve swarm that always shows up during these times and vote that.
Technically you are right. But since most people do not play ALL games from the list, its the best way to identify which game is best. Results arent 100% accurate, for the reasons you stated, but this watered down statistic is the most accurate that we can get.
Moria - not even a contest. Most amazing landscapes ever, Moria itself is mind-blowingly awesome, and legendary weapons is probably one of the best new game systems I've ever seen. compare that to the 'death night' and more of the same grind and icy wastelends. Yeah, Moria without a doubt. thanks again Turbine!!!
New system ??? Everquest has been using Evolving items for a long time now... Nothing 'new' about it.
In the deep bottom of the Moria Water Works, I forgot I was staring at a 20 inch monitor in a 12x12 room and was awestruck by the terrible vastness of it all. Which Is what I'm hoping to experience in an mmo.
The legendary system coupled with the class trait revision adds an entirely new dimension to develop your character. A rarity, my expectations were exceeded. I haven't played WotLK, but for me Moria spins The Burning Crusade's ass into a cub scout knot.
edit: staring not starring. I've been in Texas too long.
Moria - not even a contest. Most amazing landscapes ever, Moria itself is mind-blowingly awesome, and legendary weapons is probably one of the best new game systems I've ever seen. compare that to the 'death night' and more of the same grind and icy wastelends. Yeah, Moria without a doubt. thanks again Turbine!!!
New system ??? Everquest has been using Evolving items for a long time now... Nothing 'new' about it.
If you seriously think that the EQ version bears any similarity to what Turbine has done, then you haven't played Moria yet, it's that simple. Not even close.
While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it.
PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic.
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That's a completely rediculous statement jimmyman - millions of people buy cigarrettes and McDonalds food every day even though it's junk, it's actually physically killing them in some cases. Just because millions of people play WoW does NOT mean it's a good game. Just because millions upgraded to WOTLK doesn't mean it's a superior product, it just means that millions of people just don't know there are better choices out there.
While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it.
PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic.
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That's a completely rediculous statement jimmyman - millions of people buy cigarrettes and McDonalds food every day even though it's junk, it's actually physically killing them in some cases. Just because millions of people play WoW does NOT mean it's a good game. Just because millions upgraded to WOTLK doesn't mean it's a superior product, it just means that millions of people just don't know there are better choices out there.
A tiny flaw in your logic, people eat in McDonalds or smoke cigars NOT to get healthy. People eat to kill their hunger, or smoke to.. well i dont know why people smoke, I hate it. So, is Mcdonalds a healthiest restaurant? Hell no. Is it one of the best hunger quelching restaurant? Sure. Its affordable, its quick, is accessible, its tasty.
While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it.
PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic.
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That's a completely rediculous statement jimmyman - millions of people buy cigarrettes and McDonalds food every day even though it's junk, it's actually physically killing them in some cases. Just because millions of people play WoW does NOT mean it's a good game. Just because millions upgraded to WOTLK doesn't mean it's a superior product, it just means that millions of people just don't know there are better choices out there.
A tiny flaw in your logic, people eat in McDonalds or smoke cigars NOT to get healthy. People eat to kill their hunger, or smoke to.. well i dont know why people smoke, I hate it. So, is Mcdonalds a healthiest restaurant? Hell no. Is it one of the best hunger quelching restaurant? Sure. Its affordable, its quick, is accessible, its tasty.
Who has the flaw in logic? You say you hate smoking yet you have a picture of a cat smoking, or are you just a fan of animal cruelty? Yeah I know its a little off topic, but I was getting around to the point that I don't understand why there's such a mystery around the fact that WOW has such high sells, but yet so many people say they hate the game. Have you ever been logged into the game. It doesn't take much to entertain a 12 yr old and that's what half the players of wow consist of. Little kids go for the shiniest toy basically and with all the commercials and everything else that wow does for advertising that's basically all they see. I mean when's the last time you saw a commercial on T.V. for Moria. Personally I never have. Maybe I've just over looked them. Lets just keep in mind that they ask for the best in quality. Not quantity in one night.
Speaking as someone who has played both WOW and LOTR my personal pick between these two is LOTR hand down for many reasons. Yes I have played both plenty with several different classes in both games with their levels maxed out.
Who has the flaw in logic? You say you hate smoking yet you have a picture of a cat smoking, or are you just a fan of animal cruelty? Yeah I know its a little off topic, but I was getting around to the point that I don't understand why there's such a mystery around the fact that WOW has such high sells, but yet so many people say they hate the game. It is very much off-topic and irrelevant to the argument. And shifted the flow of argument towards discussing my avatar??? Back to the topic, I pointed out your flaw of logic - when you throw in McDonalds example, you have to compare McDonalds to a restaurant, not a health store. McDonalds is one of the best restaurants to eat at. It is defnitely not the best to eat healthy food at. Have you ever been logged into the game. It doesn't take much to entertain a 12 yr old and that's what half the players of wow consist of. Yes i've logged lately, and your statement is a gross over-exaggeration. My personal estimate: there are about 30% of kids out of the total WoW playerbase. Its really hard to get even an approximate number since most of the time I do not ask any1 age and people behave appropriately. Very rarely do I get a "kid" acting out, even more rare so in a group. Little kids go for the shiniest toy basically and with all the commercials and everything else that wow does for advertising that's basically all they see. I mean when's the last time you saw a commercial on T.V. for Moria. Personally I never have. Maybe I've just over looked them. Lets just keep in mind that they ask for the best in quality. Not quantity in one night. lets assume for the moment that you are right and half or even 90% of WoW's population consist of kids. Does that really justify your denial of the game's quality? What is the average age, according to you, of a game that has to qualify to be in your book of being a "quality" game? is it 15? is it 30? Be fair here, you cannot rule out quality of WoW on a simple argument "most WoW players are kids". In fact, kids are the biggest critics of any game or toy, if the game/toy sucks, they will not play with it long, they will move on. If its a quality game/toy, they will keep playing with it for years. Your statements could be considered discriminatory towards certain age group. Regarding advertisement: the fact that devs neglected to run a proper advertising campaign is the fault of the company itself, and not WoW or Blizzard. I dont understand how this is of any relevance here. Speaking as someone who has played both WOW and LOTR my personal pick between these two is LOTR hand down for many reasons. Yes I have played both plenty with several different classes in both games with their levels maxed out. This argument is the only valid argument in your entire porst.
Regarding advertisement: the fact that devs neglected to run a proper advertising campaign is the fault of the company itself, and not WoW or Blizzard. I dont understand how this is of any relevance here.
I wasn't saying that the fact that blizzard advertised so much was a bad thing either. It was just another explanation of why there sales were higher than Moria. Personally I'm glad that they don't advertise as much on T. V. It would probably attract more of the crowd to LOTRO that I left WOW to get away from. Gold spammers, little kids that spam profanity over general channels because they think its cool, and just the higher server populations that blizzard's customer service can't seem to handle. Is it better for you when I throw twenty different reasons out so I don't concentrate on one that seem to be discrimnating towads people of a certain age? Again that's not a exact number. Just saying that I put more than one reason out there. Its a figure of speech. Just trying to be clear on that. I know its actualy only three in that sentence but again just trying to get a point across.
Speaking as someone who has played both WOW and LOTR my personal pick between these two is LOTR hand down for many reasons. Yes I have played both plenty with several different classes in both games with their levels maxed out.
This argument is the only valid argument in your entire porst.
Actually if you had looked at other posts you would have seen that peole were arguing the point that because blizzard had sold so many copies in one night that it must be a good game because of this fact. I believe that the whole post has relevance to the topic because of that. Look back at the other posts if you don't believe me.
OK let me spell out exactly what I was saying since it seemed to be over your head the first time around.
One I wasn't the one who started talking about Mcdonald's and smoking so wasn't really the one who shifted the conversation that way. Was just pointing it out as I saw it with your picture.
Have you ever been logged into the game. It doesn't take much to entertain a 12 yr old and that's what half the players of wow consist of.
Yes i've logged lately, and your statement is a gross over-exaggeration. My personal estimate: there are about 30% of kids out of the total WoW playerbase. Its really hard to get even an approximate number since most of the time I do not ask any1 age and people behave appropriately. Very rarely do I get a "kid" acting out, even more rare so in a group.
OK. It wasn't meant to be an exact percentage. Was just trying to get the point across that a lot of kids play WOW which by the way you reacted to it I would say that I did get that point across even though you still didn't quite catch that. I have no way of getting an exact percentage and neither do you unless you've played on every server that WOW has and talked to every player on each of them. On the three different servers I've played on WOW there were definatly more than 30% that were 17 or under. That's legal adult age here in the U. S. We'll just use that so you can't say I'm the one who is discriminating.
Little kids go for the shiniest toy basically and with all the commercials and everything else that wow does for advertising that's basically all they see. I mean when's the last time you saw a commercial on T.V. for Moria. Personally I never have. Maybe I've just over looked them. Lets just keep in mind that they ask for the best in quality. Not quantity in one night.
lets assume for the moment that you are right and half or even 90% of WoW's population consist of kids. Does that really justify your denial of the game's quality? What is the average age, according to you, of a game that has to qualify to be in your book of being a "quality" game? is it 15? is it 30? Be fair here, you cannot rule out quality of WoW on a simple argument "most WoW players are kids". In fact, kids are the biggest critics of any game or toy, if the game/toy sucks, they will not play with it long, they will move on. If its a quality game/toy, they will keep playing with it for years. Your statements could be considered discriminatory towards certain age group.
Ok here goes. Since you obviously didn't really read what I wrote the first time around very well, that's what's up there in white just so you know, Here's my second go at trying to explain this to you. I never said that the quality of the game was bad because kids played it. I was trying to explain how sales could be so high on an item that is not that great. Wasn't saying it was the sole reason. Was just throwing one contributing factor out there. Also, if kids are such good judges then how did things like sponge bob square pants, power rangers, and pickachu stay on t.v. for so long. Little off topic but hey you asked the question.
I wasn't saying that the fact that blizzard advertised so much was a bad thing either. It was just another explanation of why there sales were higher than Moria. Personally I'm glad that they don't advertise as much on T. V. It would probably attract more of the crowd to LOTRO that I left WOW to get away from. Gold spammers, little kids that spam profanity over general channels because they think its cool, and just the higher server populations that blizzard's customer service can't seem to handle. Is it better for you when I throw twenty different reasons out so I don't concentrate on one that seem to be discrimnating towads people of a certain age? Again that's not a exact number. Just saying that I put more than one reason out there. Its a figure of speech. Just trying to be clear on that. I know its actualy only three in that sentence but again just trying to get a point across.
Speaking as someone who has played both WOW and LOTR my personal pick between these two is LOTR hand down for many reasons. Yes I have played both plenty with several different classes in both games with their levels maxed out.
This argument is the only valid argument in your entire porst. Actually if you had looked at other posts you would have seen that peole were arguing the point that because blizzard had sold so many copies in one night that it must be a good game because of this fact. I believe that the whole post has relevance to the topic because of that. Look back at the other posts if you don't believe me.
OK let me spell out exactly what I was saying since it seemed to be over your head the first time around. One I wasn't the one who started talking about Mcdonald's and smoking so wasn't really the one who shifted the conversation that way. Was just pointing it out as I saw it with your picture.
Have you ever been logged into the game. It doesn't take much to entertain a 12 yr old and that's what half the players of wow consist of. Yes i've logged lately, and your statement is a gross over-exaggeration. My personal estimate: there are about 30% of kids out of the total WoW playerbase. Its really hard to get even an approximate number since most of the time I do not ask any1 age and people behave appropriately. Very rarely do I get a "kid" acting out, even more rare so in a group. OK. It wasn't meant to be an exact percentage. Was just trying to get the point across that a lot of kids play WOW which by the way you reacted to it I would say that I did get that point across even though you still didn't quite catch that. I have no way of getting an exact percentage and neither do you unless you've played on every server that WOW has and talked to every player on each of them. On the three different servers I've played on WOW there were definatly more than 30% that were 17 or under. That's legal adult age here in the U. S. We'll just use that so you can't say I'm the one who is discriminating. Little kids go for the shiniest toy basically and with all the commercials and everything else that wow does for advertising that's basically all they see. I mean when's the last time you saw a commercial on T.V. for Moria. Personally I never have. Maybe I've just over looked them. Lets just keep in mind that they ask for the best in quality. Not quantity in one night. lets assume for the moment that you are right and half or even 90% of WoW's population consist of kids. Does that really justify your denial of the game's quality? What is the average age, according to you, of a game that has to qualify to be in your book of being a "quality" game? is it 15? is it 30? Be fair here, you cannot rule out quality of WoW on a simple argument "most WoW players are kids". In fact, kids are the biggest critics of any game or toy, if the game/toy sucks, they will not play with it long, they will move on. If its a quality game/toy, they will keep playing with it for years. Your statements could be considered discriminatory towards certain age group. Ok here goes. Since you obviously didn't really read what I wrote the first time around very well, that's what's up there in white just so you know, Here's my second go at trying to explain this to you. I never said that the quality of the game was bad because kids played it. I was trying to explain how sales could be so high on an item that is not that great. Wasn't saying it was the sole reason. Was just throwing one contributing factor out there. Also, if kids are such good judges then how did things like sponge bob square pants, power rangers, and pickachu stay on t.v. for so long. Little off topic but hey you asked the question.
Im sorry but the argument "little kids" is being thrown around so often that it stops making any sense. I do not have any problems with profanities nor "acting up" because i:
a) do not spend hours in a major city monitoring the chat
b) if someone does manage to bring their spam/profanities to my attention, i just put them on ignore list
You seem to be a bit sensitive to this, but this is how every annoying person acts within any game. WoW is no better or worse. Millions play WoW, but NOT on the same sertver. So it does not matter if there are 100 servers or just 1. You have proper tools to shield yourself from things you mentioned, if you cannot handle this then you shouldnt play any MMO at all. Ive played many MMOs, and only those MMOs that do not restrict unwanted physical interaction (kill stealing, camp stealing, body camping, etc), only those would fit your profile. Only wehn you CANT stop abuse, whether physical or verbal, only then I would agree with you that that game was not designed properly and it is prone to abuse by punks, whatever their age.
When i said that only your last argument was valid, i was referring to your post. The "little kids" argument is wrong IMO because of what i wrote above, you can shield yourself from 95% of abuse without much effort. So thats not a problem, more like a 2 second inconvenience.
Regarding your last paragraph "I never said that the quality of the game was bad because kids played it. I was trying to explain how sales could be so high on an item that is not that great." This is recursive logic, "why is he poor? because he is stupid. Why is he stupid? because he is poor". Lets try to break it down into simpler logic:
- the fact that so many people play it, does not mean that the product is good... In whose opinion? Yours? Ok, so whose opinion outweights whose? 10 people who like it or 1 person who doesnt? So many people buy the game becuase they LIKE it, because the quality of the game satisfies them. If you are not satisfied with the quality of the game, thats fine. But you are a minority, and you cannot force your opinion on theirs.
I personally do not usually follow mainstreem, I do not eat at McDonalds, I do not listen to Britney Spears, I do not watch spongebob. But do I have a right to contradict 10 other people? No, becuase if i did, id be calling them stupid, and thats just wrong.
You are entitled to your own opinion, everyone does, and you may say "I dont consider this game because this and this and that". But you can't say "This game is not a good game because I think so and I dont care that 10 other people think otherwise, what do they know".
Ok. Here we go again. Just going to throw some things out there for you.
1. I don't sit in major cities because there is way to much chat flying by that I can't even keep up with half of it. I was talking about in battle grounds, and questing areas. Have you ever steped into elwynn forest?
2. Gold spammers on that game normally create a level 1toon and go around spamming their advertisements whether is across general trade or in whispers. All they have to do is go and create another toon so ignore really doesn't work. The fact that blizzard is not able to keep them off their game after this long is proof of how bad they are. I can understand it occaisionally happening but it seems like everytime you turn around there's another gold selling spammer in WOW.
3. Half the posts I see in WOW are people that are annoying you and they throw profanities left and right when you can't help them. I've only had this happen in LOTRO once since I started playing the game, and never saw that toon again. I see the same toons running around doing the same things every day on WOW. That's because Blizzard is only worried about making money.
Now I will admit that I misspoke in that one sentence you quoted me in. I meant that only because sales are high doesn't mean its actually a good product. That doesn't mean its a bad product either. The reason I said that was because whenever anyone argues the point that WOW is a good game they say well top sales in a 24 hr period must mean something. I'M HERE TO SAY IT DOESN'T MEAN ITS A GOOD GAME. Doesn't mean its a bad one either.
Now. In my opinion WOW is definatly by no means a good game. Yes I'm saying its a bad game when compared to other games out there. That is my opinion and it is not a bad thing to express it. Yes I can say that my opinion is that its a bad game and i don't care what 10 other people think. Does that make them stupid though? Not by any means. Its just that we agree to disagree on that certain subject, but I have every right to express my opnion. That's exactly what this forum is here for. Do i think that 12 yr olds can make as educated a decision as I can? Nope. Sure don't. Otherwise lets let them run for president. Or let them drink alcohol. There's a reason we don't do that and that's for the very reason I've stated time and again. That can't make an educated decision like an adult can. Its called immaturity.
This will definatly be my last post in regards to anything you say about any of my other posts because if you don't get the point that I'm trying to get across by now then you never will. Quantity does not mean quality. Thank you and good night.
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Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
umm why would it? oh edit:P i forget all the losers who dont have a cc
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
umm why would it? oh edit:P i forget all the losers who dont have a cc
sorry i wasn't clear on that. didn't mean sales in general. just meant the number of sales in that initial 24 hour period. On another note. Sorry I'm not an elite master forum poster and gameing guru like yourself.....oh wait sorry. Just realized your only an apprentice. Must be the noob coming out of me again.
I know WoW itself has many different areas of land (kudos to Blizzard for that by the way) types. But Northrend tends to be an arctic wasteland. Some areas of it are lush, although it doesn't seem much is.
I see the Death Knight is a fine class, being it's pretty much a jack or all trades, but I think it was a bad decision to make it so you had to be 55 to use it. And so that the landmass is only accessible to high levels.
I also simply HATE the fact you MUST have TBC to play WOTLK, it makes my gut churn that Blizzard would stoop to such a level to sell more product. This would be one of the reasons I didn't vote for it.
As for the numbers game, I don't care. Frankly, the majority of the United State's population (I know the 11million players aren't just from the US) is overweight and have below average IQs. Does this mean that being overweight and slightly stupid is better than not? Do you see where I'm getting? I'm also pretty sure a higher percentage of high school teens drink before 21 than those who don't. Does this mean it's better? Number mean squat. WoW has higher numbers because it is more accessible to those with sub-par rigs or those who aren't the smartest people ever (it's a rather simple game is it not?).
I have not personally dove into WOTLK but I have played WoW for two months (total play time of just over 100 hours) and have seen friends play a good bit of WOTLK. The Death Knights look pretty awesome, and Nothrend is a good looking place, at least I like the art style there better than the rest of the game. Although I quit because I got bored. It was the same thing forever. Quests at an early level (up to around 30-40) are mostly "Kill this", "Get this", or "Find this/him/her/it" and it's just not fun. They need more low level content.
For example, last night I just played through LOTROs intro/tutorial again. I found with the new expansion they actually introduced a new dungeon with it's own quest into the intro (a short 6 level semi-instanced area of the game). And made some changes to the map for the first fully instanced area you go for about one level, a total of 5 minutes. Although it's not much, I really enjoyed the new content they added for players coming right out of the gate, even before they can see a character level 10 or higher.
WoW might also want to look at adding a better tutorial, to reduce idiotic questions like "how do i attk?" which in my play time I heard more times than I should have. Something semi instanced (where you see only others doing the same tutorial) would work well. The quests could teach you how to do stuff and ease you into the game.
Bliz's next expansion should add low level content, so people don't get bored and quite before they reach the high level stuff.
In the end, MoM added so much to the game, it was and is quite amazing.
I wasn't that impressed by WOTLK apart from the fact there was a shoddy story with cinematics and Northrend looks pretty good considering the style.
Thank You,
- Eric
PS, May I add I don't want LOTRO as popular as WoW. I never will have a little idiot 10 year old start dancing as a naked Elf in the middle of Bree saying "53x me!" over and over while someone else spams "ur mom" over and over in OOC chat. If that day comes, I will leave. Immediately. And we all know, more players, more idiots. I have ran into one so far who PMed me "Shut the f**k up" because I correctly answered his question. It seems he didn't know how to read, although after I showed him what I typed he did find out what "Exit Game" meant.
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Exactly. Its just another popularity contest between followers of games, who could be bothered or just happen to be visiting the site during the time of the poll.
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agreed.
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That's a joke, right? Alright, here's what you get in WotLK...
10 more levels (woot...)
1 new continent (woot...)
1 new class (woot...)
100 or so new items (... lame)
Siege-like combat...
So basically you're paying your $50 (or whatever) for an "expansion" the size of 1/10th of the initial game. Really, this isn't an expansion. Blizzard is making you pay for a update patch...
Expansions should be nearly the size of the initial game, *period*. There's absolutely no reason for them not to be because you already have the framework to work with. Blizzard really put 0 effort into WotLK and I won't be going back to a game that wants me to pay for such minor updates.
I bet Blizzard could sell you people sh*t on a stick if they labelled it WoW.
- Theguruofreason
Sorry for the long long post.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
That's a joke, right? Alright, here's what you get in WotLK...
10 more levels (woot...)
1 new continent (woot...)
1 new class (woot...)
100 or so new items (... lame)
Siege-like combat...
So basically you're paying your $50 (or whatever) for an "expansion" the size of 1/10th of the initial game. Really, this isn't an expansion. Blizzard is making you pay for a update patch...
Expansions should be nearly the size of the initial game, *period*. There's absolutely no reason for them not to be because you already have the framework to work with. Blizzard really put 0 effort into WotLK and I won't be going back to a game that wants me to pay for such minor updates.
I bet Blizzard could sell you people sh*t on a stick if they labelled it WoW.
Or maybe twice as big PERIOD? Or maybe 10 times bigger PERIOD? Cmon mr. troll, you know you can do better.
Seriously, there is no expansion in MMORPG history as big and as polished as WoTLK. And noone gives a shit about will you return to WoW or die next week.
I always appreciate the effort put into the site but I don't really understand this poll. In order to have a valid opinion and cast a vote I would have to play and own the expansion to every one of these games, which I don't so I can't.
Basically it's just asking for people to vote for the expansion to whatever game they happen to play if on that list.
Guess I'll just help out the lunatic eve swarm that always shows up during these times and vote that.
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
This is true. I'd paid for, downloaded, and installed Mines of Moria a full week before it was even released. Released day just unlocked what I already had installed. Lots of members did the digital download option.
Does the fact that Turbine allowed you to purchase the digital copy well before the actual release date effect the numbers in any way for them?
This is true. I'd paid for, downloaded, and installed Mines of Moria a full week before it was even released. Released day just unlocked what I already had installed. Lots of members did the digital download option.
Another +1 to MOM I was able to play on release day without leaving my house since Blizzard wants to be able to brag about Box sales since they make their customers go out to the store at midnight if ya wanna play at release.
It was very nice having the game ready to go a week prior as I was one of the dumb asses that stood outside waiting for BC to release at midnight last year in the frezzing cold.
More proof that Blizzard does less for their subscribers since they wanted to be able to set a 24 hour sales record. Thanks Turbine for allowing me to stay warm and play on release day with no hassle.
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While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it.
PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic.
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I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Technically you are right. But since most people do not play ALL games from the list, its the best way to identify which game is best. Results arent 100% accurate, for the reasons you stated, but this watered down statistic is the most accurate that we can get.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
New system ??? Everquest has been using Evolving items for a long time now... Nothing 'new' about it.
In the deep bottom of the Moria Water Works, I forgot I was staring at a 20 inch monitor in a 12x12 room and was awestruck by the terrible vastness of it all. Which Is what I'm hoping to experience in an mmo.
The legendary system coupled with the class trait revision adds an entirely new dimension to develop your character. A rarity, my expectations were exceeded. I haven't played WotLK, but for me Moria spins The Burning Crusade's ass into a cub scout knot.
edit: staring not starring. I've been in Texas too long.
New system ??? Everquest has been using Evolving items for a long time now... Nothing 'new' about it.
If you seriously think that the EQ version bears any similarity to what Turbine has done, then you haven't played Moria yet, it's that simple. Not even close.
When scary things get scared, that's bad...
While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it.
PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic.
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That's a completely rediculous statement jimmyman - millions of people buy cigarrettes and McDonalds food every day even though it's junk, it's actually physically killing them in some cases. Just because millions of people play WoW does NOT mean it's a good game. Just because millions upgraded to WOTLK doesn't mean it's a superior product, it just means that millions of people just don't know there are better choices out there.
When scary things get scared, that's bad...
While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it.
PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic.
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That's a completely rediculous statement jimmyman - millions of people buy cigarrettes and McDonalds food every day even though it's junk, it's actually physically killing them in some cases. Just because millions of people play WoW does NOT mean it's a good game. Just because millions upgraded to WOTLK doesn't mean it's a superior product, it just means that millions of people just don't know there are better choices out there.
A tiny flaw in your logic, people eat in McDonalds or smoke cigars NOT to get healthy. People eat to kill their hunger, or smoke to.. well i dont know why people smoke, I hate it. So, is Mcdonalds a healthiest restaurant? Hell no. Is it one of the best hunger quelching restaurant? Sure. Its affordable, its quick, is accessible, its tasty.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
While I disagree with the poster you replied to, I also disagree with you. WOTKL cannot be garbage if millions of people buy it.
PS: I hope you aren't gonna throw in stuff like "they bought the hype/advertising" or "its because they are stupid" reasoning. Im sick and tired of that logic.
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That's a completely rediculous statement jimmyman - millions of people buy cigarrettes and McDonalds food every day even though it's junk, it's actually physically killing them in some cases. Just because millions of people play WoW does NOT mean it's a good game. Just because millions upgraded to WOTLK doesn't mean it's a superior product, it just means that millions of people just don't know there are better choices out there.
A tiny flaw in your logic, people eat in McDonalds or smoke cigars NOT to get healthy. People eat to kill their hunger, or smoke to.. well i dont know why people smoke, I hate it. So, is Mcdonalds a healthiest restaurant? Hell no. Is it one of the best hunger quelching restaurant? Sure. Its affordable, its quick, is accessible, its tasty.
Who has the flaw in logic? You say you hate smoking yet you have a picture of a cat smoking, or are you just a fan of animal cruelty? Yeah I know its a little off topic, but I was getting around to the point that I don't understand why there's such a mystery around the fact that WOW has such high sells, but yet so many people say they hate the game. Have you ever been logged into the game. It doesn't take much to entertain a 12 yr old and that's what half the players of wow consist of. Little kids go for the shiniest toy basically and with all the commercials and everything else that wow does for advertising that's basically all they see. I mean when's the last time you saw a commercial on T.V. for Moria. Personally I never have. Maybe I've just over looked them. Lets just keep in mind that they ask for the best in quality. Not quantity in one night.
Speaking as someone who has played both WOW and LOTR my personal pick between these two is LOTR hand down for many reasons. Yes I have played both plenty with several different classes in both games with their levels maxed out.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Regarding advertisement: the fact that devs neglected to run a proper advertising campaign is the fault of the company itself, and not WoW or Blizzard. I dont understand how this is of any relevance here.
I wasn't saying that the fact that blizzard advertised so much was a bad thing either. It was just another explanation of why there sales were higher than Moria. Personally I'm glad that they don't advertise as much on T. V. It would probably attract more of the crowd to LOTRO that I left WOW to get away from. Gold spammers, little kids that spam profanity over general channels because they think its cool, and just the higher server populations that blizzard's customer service can't seem to handle. Is it better for you when I throw twenty different reasons out so I don't concentrate on one that seem to be discrimnating towads people of a certain age? Again that's not a exact number. Just saying that I put more than one reason out there. Its a figure of speech. Just trying to be clear on that. I know its actualy only three in that sentence but again just trying to get a point across.
Speaking as someone who has played both WOW and LOTR my personal pick between these two is LOTR hand down for many reasons. Yes I have played both plenty with several different classes in both games with their levels maxed out.
This argument is the only valid argument in your entire porst.
Actually if you had looked at other posts you would have seen that peole were arguing the point that because blizzard had sold so many copies in one night that it must be a good game because of this fact. I believe that the whole post has relevance to the topic because of that. Look back at the other posts if you don't believe me.
OK let me spell out exactly what I was saying since it seemed to be over your head the first time around.
One I wasn't the one who started talking about Mcdonald's and smoking so wasn't really the one who shifted the conversation that way. Was just pointing it out as I saw it with your picture.
Have you ever been logged into the game. It doesn't take much to entertain a 12 yr old and that's what half the players of wow consist of.
Yes i've logged lately, and your statement is a gross over-exaggeration. My personal estimate: there are about 30% of kids out of the total WoW playerbase. Its really hard to get even an approximate number since most of the time I do not ask any1 age and people behave appropriately. Very rarely do I get a "kid" acting out, even more rare so in a group.
OK. It wasn't meant to be an exact percentage. Was just trying to get the point across that a lot of kids play WOW which by the way you reacted to it I would say that I did get that point across even though you still didn't quite catch that. I have no way of getting an exact percentage and neither do you unless you've played on every server that WOW has and talked to every player on each of them. On the three different servers I've played on WOW there were definatly more than 30% that were 17 or under. That's legal adult age here in the U. S. We'll just use that so you can't say I'm the one who is discriminating.
Little kids go for the shiniest toy basically and with all the commercials and everything else that wow does for advertising that's basically all they see. I mean when's the last time you saw a commercial on T.V. for Moria. Personally I never have. Maybe I've just over looked them. Lets just keep in mind that they ask for the best in quality. Not quantity in one night.
lets assume for the moment that you are right and half or even 90% of WoW's population consist of kids. Does that really justify your denial of the game's quality? What is the average age, according to you, of a game that has to qualify to be in your book of being a "quality" game? is it 15? is it 30? Be fair here, you cannot rule out quality of WoW on a simple argument "most WoW players are kids". In fact, kids are the biggest critics of any game or toy, if the game/toy sucks, they will not play with it long, they will move on. If its a quality game/toy, they will keep playing with it for years. Your statements could be considered discriminatory towards certain age group.
Ok here goes. Since you obviously didn't really read what I wrote the first time around very well, that's what's up there in white just so you know, Here's my second go at trying to explain this to you. I never said that the quality of the game was bad because kids played it. I was trying to explain how sales could be so high on an item that is not that great. Wasn't saying it was the sole reason. Was just throwing one contributing factor out there. Also, if kids are such good judges then how did things like sponge bob square pants, power rangers, and pickachu stay on t.v. for so long. Little off topic but hey you asked the question.
Im sorry but the argument "little kids" is being thrown around so often that it stops making any sense. I do not have any problems with profanities nor "acting up" because i:
a) do not spend hours in a major city monitoring the chat
b) if someone does manage to bring their spam/profanities to my attention, i just put them on ignore list
You seem to be a bit sensitive to this, but this is how every annoying person acts within any game. WoW is no better or worse. Millions play WoW, but NOT on the same sertver. So it does not matter if there are 100 servers or just 1. You have proper tools to shield yourself from things you mentioned, if you cannot handle this then you shouldnt play any MMO at all. Ive played many MMOs, and only those MMOs that do not restrict unwanted physical interaction (kill stealing, camp stealing, body camping, etc), only those would fit your profile. Only wehn you CANT stop abuse, whether physical or verbal, only then I would agree with you that that game was not designed properly and it is prone to abuse by punks, whatever their age.
When i said that only your last argument was valid, i was referring to your post. The "little kids" argument is wrong IMO because of what i wrote above, you can shield yourself from 95% of abuse without much effort. So thats not a problem, more like a 2 second inconvenience.
Regarding your last paragraph "I never said that the quality of the game was bad because kids played it. I was trying to explain how sales could be so high on an item that is not that great." This is recursive logic, "why is he poor? because he is stupid. Why is he stupid? because he is poor". Lets try to break it down into simpler logic:
- the fact that so many people play it, does not mean that the product is good... In whose opinion? Yours? Ok, so whose opinion outweights whose? 10 people who like it or 1 person who doesnt? So many people buy the game becuase they LIKE it, because the quality of the game satisfies them. If you are not satisfied with the quality of the game, thats fine. But you are a minority, and you cannot force your opinion on theirs.
I personally do not usually follow mainstreem, I do not eat at McDonalds, I do not listen to Britney Spears, I do not watch spongebob. But do I have a right to contradict 10 other people? No, becuase if i did, id be calling them stupid, and thats just wrong.
You are entitled to your own opinion, everyone does, and you may say "I dont consider this game because this and this and that". But you can't say "This game is not a good game because I think so and I dont care that 10 other people think otherwise, what do they know".
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Ok. Here we go again. Just going to throw some things out there for you.
1. I don't sit in major cities because there is way to much chat flying by that I can't even keep up with half of it. I was talking about in battle grounds, and questing areas. Have you ever steped into elwynn forest?
2. Gold spammers on that game normally create a level 1toon and go around spamming their advertisements whether is across general trade or in whispers. All they have to do is go and create another toon so ignore really doesn't work. The fact that blizzard is not able to keep them off their game after this long is proof of how bad they are. I can understand it occaisionally happening but it seems like everytime you turn around there's another gold selling spammer in WOW.
3. Half the posts I see in WOW are people that are annoying you and they throw profanities left and right when you can't help them. I've only had this happen in LOTRO once since I started playing the game, and never saw that toon again. I see the same toons running around doing the same things every day on WOW. That's because Blizzard is only worried about making money.
Now I will admit that I misspoke in that one sentence you quoted me in. I meant that only because sales are high doesn't mean its actually a good product. That doesn't mean its a bad product either. The reason I said that was because whenever anyone argues the point that WOW is a good game they say well top sales in a 24 hr period must mean something. I'M HERE TO SAY IT DOESN'T MEAN ITS A GOOD GAME. Doesn't mean its a bad one either.
Now. In my opinion WOW is definatly by no means a good game. Yes I'm saying its a bad game when compared to other games out there. That is my opinion and it is not a bad thing to express it. Yes I can say that my opinion is that its a bad game and i don't care what 10 other people think. Does that make them stupid though? Not by any means. Its just that we agree to disagree on that certain subject, but I have every right to express my opnion. That's exactly what this forum is here for. Do i think that 12 yr olds can make as educated a decision as I can? Nope. Sure don't. Otherwise lets let them run for president. Or let them drink alcohol. There's a reason we don't do that and that's for the very reason I've stated time and again. That can't make an educated decision like an adult can. Its called immaturity.
This will definatly be my last post in regards to anything you say about any of my other posts because if you don't get the point that I'm trying to get across by now then you never will. Quantity does not mean quality. Thank you and good night.
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