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A conservative who gets it?
qazyman
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Say what you want this is a man who cares about his Country and doing whats right. (pun intended)
As for me, I think he hits on a major weakness of the Right. They are more concerned with doing what they believe is right instead of doing what will work, and they fail to see that what works is usually the right thing to do.
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so your an ends justify the means kinda guy eh?
so your an ends justify the means kinda guy eh?
That argument only works if what you believe is right. If not, I'm just someone pointing out a weakness in a party. Based on recent history I would have to say the later is much more likely.
So I would have to say no. I'm just someone that thinks individual beliefs aren't as important as critical thinking when it comes to political decisions.
Its funny how when someone from a party crosses the line to the other side they get Cheered as finaly seeing the light.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Maybe, but if Bush had listened to Powell instead of Rumsfield he would probably be leaving a much more successful and popular president. Furthermore, you may be looking at the next nominee from the republican party.
Maybe, but if Bush had listened to Powell instead of Rumsfield he would probably be leaving a much more successful and popular president. Furthermore, you may be looking at the next nominee from the republican party.
After supporting Obama he will have a tough sale to the Republican party. Unless there is a Big shake up..and i hope there is.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
I agree and I think they are more concerned with doing what God and their interpretations of the Bible is right instead of listening to the needs of the mortals that are here on Earth.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
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Ordinary-people conservatives, such as people on fixed-incomes, owners of small business, etc. were not the Republican party's ase.
The Republican party's base became:
The Democratic party is now the "big tent" party with moderates, leftists, Constitutionalists, and so forth.
Both sides think what they are doing is right. Why are dems right in what they do but not republicans. Its a matter of perspective. Both sides have their own ideas but of couse only wat the dms do is right and only what they do canfix the country. Why don't we just give them contorl for 8 years and see what shit we end up in.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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Colin Powell isn't a conservative -- he never was. He is a liberal to moderate Republican.
In terms of "polarizing," when a Democrat runs to the middle, they win (Clinton, Obama, Kennedy) If they govern from the center, they succeed.
For Republicans, when they run to the right, they win (Reagan, Bush 1 and 2). When they govern from the right, they win (Reagan). When they move to the center, they lose (Both Bushes, Nixon). In Bish 2's case I mean popularity and the congress.
A clearly defined right and left helps republicans and hurts democrats. Blurring the issue almost always helps the democrats.
Powell comitted political suicide as a Republican. His only chance to win in the future will be a a Democrat. I'm sure he knows this, whether he wants to run for elected office or not.
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Summary Capsule:
Summary Capsule:
1. Your first point is the one that makes no sense. There are many moderate Republicans, and Powell is one of them. So is McCain, so was Bob Dole. The first describes ideology, the second the party.
2. Reagan RAN as a conservative, not as a centrist. EVERY president governs as a centrist compared with how they run, you need to read what I actually wrote. Bush is/was a centrist as Reagan, but was a bit uirther t the left and it failed (what you falsely call "right wing socialism."
3. Again not reading. Powell is dead in the Republican party. He is far from politically dead. He has a bright future with the Democrats,
In summation, READ, then counter what i write, not what you make up that I wrote.
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Plus, I am once again NOT a conservative. Another example of you not reading.
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Conservative he is not... HA HA thats a good one.I was waiting for someone to point that out.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Another high-profile character witness was presented by the Ted Stevens defense team at the Alaska senator's trial in Washington Friday.
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell sat in the witness chair for some 15 minutes, and told the jury of his view that Stevens is a paragon of integrity.
Conservative he is not.....Steven's epitomizes a Governmental crook.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
How does his testimony make him, or not make him, a conservative?
We have a serious problem -and it is a serious problem- with basic concepts on this forum.
How does his testimony make him, or not make him, a conservative?
We have a serious problem -and it is a serious problem- with basic concepts on this forum.
Well, some of the folks here do.
fishermage.blogspot.com
How does his testimony make him, or not make him, a conservative?
We have a serious problem -and it is a serious problem- with basic concepts on this forum.
Well, some of the folks here do.
Frodus takes his shoes off and throws them at Powell yelling your a Dem-vote in waiting you MODERATE. Hey lets put up another big spending moderate again for prez and will attach Conservative to his arse....Yep sounds like a winner too me.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
How does his testimony make him, or not make him, a conservative?
We have a serious problem -and it is a serious problem- with basic concepts on this forum.
Well, some of the folks here do.
Frodus takes his shoes off and throws them at Powell yelling your a Dem-vote in waiting you MODERATE. Hey lets put up another big spending moderate again for prez and will attach Conservative to his arse....Yep sounds like a winner too me.
We have to remember that this is what the left DOES. The word "liberal" used to mean small government and laissez faire capitalism. At this time, leftists wanted to be called "progressives." then people caight on, realizing that "progressivism" meant marxism.
So they hijacked the word liberal. Then, after awhile, people realized that "liberal" was the new code for marxist, so now they are calling themselves "progressive" or even other things again.
It's orwellianism at it's finest.
fishermage.blogspot.com
How does his testimony make him, or not make him, a conservative?
We have a serious problem -and it is a serious problem- with basic concepts on this forum.
Well, some of the folks here do.
Frodus takes his shoes off and throws them at Powell yelling your a Dem-vote in waiting you MODERATE. Hey lets put up another big spending moderate again for prez and will attach Conservative to his arse....Yep sounds like a winner too me.
We have to remember that this is what the left DOES. The word "liberal" used to mean small government and laissez faire capitalism. At this time, leftists wanted to be called "progressives." then people caight on, realizing that "progressivism" meant marxism.
So they hijacked the word liberal. Then, after awhile, people realized that "liberal" was the new code for marxist, so now they are calling themselves "progressive" or even other things again.
It's orwellianism at it's finest.
Agreed,Their was a time when the left where some of the most staunch freedom fighter among us.Castro rocks don't he,and his bother.Those 2 really add to the quality of the human experience.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
ahhh...
for 40 years the democrats had full control of the house and senate. lest we forget. Nothing really started happening in this country until Reagan beat their asses down by bypassing them and using the media to get his message RIGHT to the American people and we all said, "hey ya, he's right....Those taxes ARE too high and is the cause of our economic troubles." (The media has sworn to never let that happen again too lol..sore losers) Democrats get all screwy when they lose power. Watch how cocky they get since Obama won.... and watch how fast they'll lose the power too... just like Clinton's first term...BAM First time in 40 years they lost control of the congress...muahaha....
deja vu... history repeats.
Fishermage,
You are the same guy who recently said Bush is a centrist and now Powell is a "moderate Republican" but not a conservative. (I am not even going to make issue of the Christianity and GDP thing in China).
Although you do not realize it, you do not know what centrism is nor that Powell is a conservative. You in fact said, expressly, he is "not a conservative."
Honestly, and seriously, and I have no personal interest whatsoever as to whether you know common definitions of words, but it is a little scary.
Repeat: how does Powell's testimony make him, or not make him, a conservative?*
*You think I am asking these questions to back you into a corner or put you on the spot. It fascinates me that you think a person's testimony in court, under oath, would make someone more or less a conservative; and I curious as to that kind of logic.
Frodus,
Look.
If you and Fishermage think Bush is a moderate, which he is the most right-wing President we have ever had --he is neo-conservative on every issue from regulation to foreign policy to taxes to health care to energy to everything-- then I am not trying to change your mind.
Quote:
"Castro rock, don't he, and his bother [sic]."
What are you talking about? Bush? Who are you, or what are you talking about? Are you saying Collin Powell, or Bush, is like Fidel Castro of Cuba?
Irony
Bush is so neo-conservative he does make even Collin Powell look like a moderate.
I have already explained these things several times, and you conveniently ignored them. As an act of grace once again to you, I will repeat.
Neo-conservative, if it has any meaning at all (it really doesn't -- it is merely an epithet lefties use as an epithet), is more centrist than traditional conservatives.
There are three planks to traditional conservatism. Smaller government, strong defense, social conservatism. "neo-conservatives tend to favor ONLY a strong defense out of the three -- this makes them less conservative than traditional conservatives.
Bush is weak on smaller government having increased spending in all areas (centrist), he is far from a social conservative -- having merely played lip service to those issues, but yes, he believes in a strong defense. That makes him a centrist republican. He favors more open immigration, that puts him with centrists, not conservatives. there is nothing conservative about him. He increased regulations, increased heath care socialism, increased education socialism. He RAN as a conservative, but he governed as a centrist.
Colin Powell is a liberal, not a conservative. He believes in affirmative action, big government, is a social liberal. Again, the only thing he agrees with conservatives on is a strong defense. Liberals work VERY HARD to make the case that they too believe in a strong defense -- are you saying that is false, and liberals want a weak defense?
By your way of measuring, every president we have ever had is a conservative, from Kennedy forward. FDR was also a conservative by your measuring stick, it seems.
Please, define your terms and prove your case. Define what you mean by "conservative" and how Bush fits into that. Define centrist and how Reagan fits into that. define liberal and please tell me who fits into that. I have repeatedly explained to you what I think on these things, and all you have done is ignored it and then resorted to appeal to ridicule.
As to the China's economy is growing at the same time Christianity is growing there -- DO YOU DENY THIS? As I said earlier, this does not necessitate CAUSATION, but it is a correlation. Do you know the difference?
No study needs to be done when a correlation is easily observed. Now to prove causation, certainly more needs to be done -- but I never SAID that. Correlation is not the same thing as causation. I have noticed a correlation on my own. If you do not see it, fine, we can agree to disagree. That is no reason to resort to your usual appeals to ridicule.
Now, will you answer what I have aid here in a event manner without resorting to appeals to ridicule? Will you simply counter me, or provide your own, better analysis? Let's see if you can.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Fishermage,
I am honestly spent. I think I have overstayed my welcome, and I have posted too much. Besides, you and others have are reporting my posts to censor me.
Farewell.
A lib or dem post being reported? LOL I highly doubt that