Seems MMORPG has decided to lock and "disappear" threads about the SOE TCG loot card gambling scheme. I am not surprised given how pro-SOE biased moderation always has been here. Considering that this is THE most controversial change to SWG since the NGE itself it's definitely on topic and should be allowed to be discussed, especially here on the "veterans refuge". The TCG is highly controversial, and because it's "pay for play" and a form of RMT, it is certainly arguable that SOE is running a 50 state illegal unlicensed lottery in violation of US online gambling laws.
I got a temporary ban the other day for talking about the TCG also and the legal implications that could be involved that if this blows wide open into the mainstream media. The desperation of the fanbois now is just too delicious to observe here now...
If Stradden wants to uphold his delcarations concerning this site's honesty, he should audit his volunteer mod staff for SOE employees.
Could one of the "this is gambling" people please explain how the McDonalds Monopoly "card" game is not considered gambling, in that game you have to buy food and drinks to get game pieces to win real world items and cash. I have not seen Micky D's having any trouble.
There is a no purchase necessary option to enter.
That is a requirement of all such games. You can't REQUIRE pay to play or else it's illegal gambling and/or an illegal lottery. Also odds of winning has to be published.
Could one of the "this is gambling" people please explain how the McDonalds Monopoly "card" game is not considered gambling, in that game you have to buy food and drinks to get game pieces to win real world items and cash. I have not seen Micky D's having any trouble.
I dunno if this was answered and no I'm not one of those "this is gambling" people.
If you read those they say "no purchase necesary" (no I can't spell) and give you an address to write to if you would like a free game piece...
You are not required to buy anything.
In fact basicly they are giving you a piece for free with your normal purchase...
lol I tried /shrug
I mean if SOE has a free in game card for me if I write to a certain address.. I would use my bulk mailer to send in my requests. (that was supposed to be funny).
Could one of the "this is gambling" people please explain how the McDonalds Monopoly "card" game is not considered gambling, in that game you have to buy food and drinks to get game pieces to win real world items and cash. I have not seen Micky D's having any trouble.
Well, other have said the following but I will add one additional factor that is overlooked...
1) They establish the value of the entry as free with "No purchase nessicary" (sp) with a way to aquire a chance to win by simply requesting it. It happens to come with the food. the TCG does not have that feature (which, from what I understand, is how they get around the gambling/lottery issue because they establish the value of the game piece by having them available for free. The TCG does not, see point #2)
2)They do not charge a monthly subscription fee to play the game ($15 in the TCG's case) and then charge you $3 more for additional chances to win beyond the 5 that come with the $15 subscription fee.
/sarcasm on
So, here in Colorado, it's become illegal to smoke within gambling establishments. If this does head down the illegal gambling road (worse case senerio for satire sake here) does that mean if you play the game, it becomes illegal to smoke in your own home? Just a thought I hope people with a sense of humor can enjoy!
Seems MMORPG has decided to lock and "disappear" threads about the SOE TCG loot card gambling scheme. I am not surprised given how pro-SOE biased moderation always has been here. Considering that this is THE most controversial change to SWG since the NGE itself it's definitely on topic and should be allowed to be discussed, especially here on the "veterans refuge". The TCG is highly controversial, and because it's "pay for play" and a form of RMT, it is certainly arguable that SOE is running a 50 state illegal unlicensed lottery in violation of US online gambling laws.
ok, so then lets go after baseball card companies too! i been trying to get a "insert name here" rookie card for years!
/goes off to also purchase a magic the gathering, world of warcraft, and other random cards you have to buy without knowing what you are getting, then goes after blind auctions, fundraisers, raffles, etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong , but when I re-installed for the vet trial and tried the trade card game , I was only able to complete 2 decks of 50 , (Imperial/Rebel) . But when I tried to complete a deck for Sith/Jedi I could only come up with 15 cards for Sith/Jedi. Obviously the cards for Sith/Jedi are better , are people really completing a deck of 50 Sith /Jedi with the 5 free boosters per month?
Since they give you for free the starter kit of cards and 5 free booster packs a month it costs no one anything unless they elect to purchase cards. Getting 5 free packs of cards each month is better than writing into Micky' D's for a free game token. And another fact is that once a loot item is claimed it can no longer be traded, thus it has zero value other than to the toon who claimed it.
ok, I would like to play this game. How do I play this free game without paying the $15 subscription fee a month?
Since they give you for free the starter kit of cards and 5 free booster packs a month it costs no one anything unless they elect to purchase cards. Getting 5 free packs of cards each month is better than writing into Micky' D's for a free game token. And another fact is that once a loot item is claimed it can no longer be traded, thus it has zero value other than to the toon who claimed it.
It still requires a subscription. You couldn't open a club with a member ship fee and then hold 1 free lottery each month, for example.
Not that I am speaking for the legal issues of the card game. It is most certainly aimed to get subscribers to gamble, but I don't know if it actually breaks any laws.
That would be for the IRS to determine. By that I mean if they feel they are owed monies they will find some way or someone to prove it illegal.
Could one of the "this is gambling" people please explain how the McDonalds Monopoly "card" game is not considered gambling, in that game you have to buy food and drinks to get game pieces to win real world items and cash. I have not seen Micky D's having any trouble.
"MONOPOLY® 2008 Game at McDonald's®
OFFICIAL RULES
NO PURCHASE IS NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE. PURCHASE WILL NOT IMPROVE YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING. "
I'm trying to keep all my comments on this to one thread, so if you want to continue to discuss this with me, you can look at the following link. Post number 221 talks about product promotions specifically:
Could one of the "this is gambling" people please explain how the McDonalds Monopoly "card" game is not considered gambling, in that game you have to buy food and drinks to get game pieces to win real world items and cash. I have not seen Micky D's having any trouble.
"MONOPOLY® 2008 Game at McDonald's®
OFFICIAL RULES
NO PURCHASE IS NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE. PURCHASE WILL NOT IMPROVE YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING. "
I'm trying to keep all my comments on this to one thread, so if you want to continue to discuss this with me, you can look at the following link. Post number 221 talks about product promotions specifically:
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I got a temporary ban the other day for talking about the TCG also and the legal implications that could be involved that if this blows wide open into the mainstream media. The desperation of the fanbois now is just too delicious to observe here now...
If Stradden wants to uphold his delcarations concerning this site's honesty, he should audit his volunteer mod staff for SOE employees.
There is a no purchase necessary option to enter.
That is a requirement of all such games. You can't REQUIRE pay to play or else it's illegal gambling and/or an illegal lottery. Also odds of winning has to be published.
TCG doesn't do this.
I dunno if this was answered and no I'm not one of those "this is gambling" people.
If you read those they say "no purchase necesary" (no I can't spell) and give you an address to write to if you would like a free game piece...
You are not required to buy anything.
In fact basicly they are giving you a piece for free with your normal purchase...
lol I tried /shrug
I mean if SOE has a free in game card for me if I write to a certain address.. I would use my bulk mailer to send in my requests. (that was supposed to be funny).
Well, other have said the following but I will add one additional factor that is overlooked...
1) They establish the value of the entry as free with "No purchase nessicary" (sp) with a way to aquire a chance to win by simply requesting it. It happens to come with the food. the TCG does not have that feature (which, from what I understand, is how they get around the gambling/lottery issue because they establish the value of the game piece by having them available for free. The TCG does not, see point #2)
2)They do not charge a monthly subscription fee to play the game ($15 in the TCG's case) and then charge you $3 more for additional chances to win beyond the 5 that come with the $15 subscription fee.
/sarcasm on
So, here in Colorado, it's become illegal to smoke within gambling establishments. If this does head down the illegal gambling road (worse case senerio for satire sake here) does that mean if you play the game, it becomes illegal to smoke in your own home? Just a thought I hope people with a sense of humor can enjoy!
Have a good night!
ok, so then lets go after baseball card companies too! i been trying to get a "insert name here" rookie card for years!
/goes off to also purchase a magic the gathering, world of warcraft, and other random cards you have to buy without knowing what you are getting, then goes after blind auctions, fundraisers, raffles, etc.
Since they give you for free the starter kit of cards and 5 free booster packs a month it costs no one anything unless they elect to purchase cards.
Getting 5 free packs of cards each month is better than writing into Micky' D's for a free game token.
And another fact is that once a loot item is claimed it can no longer be traded, thus it has zero value other than to the toon who claimed it.
Correct me if I'm wrong , but when I re-installed for the vet trial and tried the trade card game , I was only able to complete 2 decks of 50 , (Imperial/Rebel) . But when I tried to complete a deck for Sith/Jedi I could only come up with 15 cards for Sith/Jedi. Obviously the cards for Sith/Jedi are better , are people really completing a deck of 50 Sith /Jedi with the 5 free boosters per month?
how dare you bring common sense into this!
ok, I would like to play this game. How do I play this free game without paying the $15 subscription fee a month?
It still requires a subscription. You couldn't open a club with a member ship fee and then hold 1 free lottery each month, for example.
Not that I am speaking for the legal issues of the card game. It is most certainly aimed to get subscribers to gamble, but I don't know if it actually breaks any laws.
That would be for the IRS to determine. By that I mean if they feel they are owed monies they will find some way or someone to prove it illegal.
"MONOPOLY® 2008 Game at McDonald's®
OFFICIAL RULES
NO PURCHASE IS NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE. PURCHASE WILL NOT IMPROVE YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING. "
I'm trying to keep all my comments on this to one thread, so if you want to continue to discuss this with me, you can look at the following link. Post number 221 talks about product promotions specifically:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213746/page/23
"MONOPOLY® 2008 Game at McDonald's®
OFFICIAL RULES
NO PURCHASE IS NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE. PURCHASE WILL NOT IMPROVE YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING. "
I'm trying to keep all my comments on this to one thread, so if you want to continue to discuss this with me, you can look at the following link. Post number 221 talks about product promotions specifically:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213746/page/23
Yes macdonald's argument trashed nice work arc, now what will the fanbois come up with hey ?