Me and my wife played EVE, and are now looking forward to Earthrise. Maybe Darkfall, but fantasy aint really our thing... but you never know...
Yes. WoW is for kids. Very small kids. I think older teens gets pretty bored of it very quick. Our oldest son is 13, and he thinks WoW is getting more and more nerdy for every day...
It has cute cartoony graphics and there are no risks whatsoever.
EVE is dark, hardcore, sexy and brutal. Some of the short/back stories have some of the most brutal and sick forms of torture ive ever read in my whole life.
Too bad EVE is turning into Capitals Online.
Me, the wife, and our generation, play Left 4 Dead while waiting for Earthrise (and maybe Darkfall).
If you pay attention to quests and lore, WoW is not exclusively a kids' game. There are some pretty dark themes going on, hidden behind those cartoony, bright graphics. But since a lot of people, adult and kid alike, don't bother reading the quests, and WoW's adult themes aren't in your face, it's automatically assumed that WoW is a kiddie game.
The risk factor though is a big thing for me and ultimately why I get bored with WoW and have to take breaks, but there are a lot of 'adult' games that also don't have a risk factor.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
The gameplay is simple, but it's suppose to be. It's an MMO that's meant to appeal to a large amount of people.
The backlash to this is older MMO players tend to reject it because of its more simple gameplay. They want intense challenges. Something that only a handful of people get. Also has made other companies spawn a load of games that try to take the same idea while trying to beat what wow has become.
But I found calling it "kiddie" was a really bad argument, especially as someone who knows the lore. Just because it has a more cartoonish look, doesn't mean it's kiddie.
The look actually defines the game better than anything. You can look at 100 fantasy MMO, and you will probably have trouble telling them apart.
Not the game itself, at all. It's just fine the way it is. Blizz imo did well with a somewhat simple but very effective 3d engine and overall ambiance (music and scenery).
The end game community lacks heavily in the accountability department though. The ability to re-roll, switch server and etc. so easily made it so that we don't even know who's who anymore. Who's worth something and who isn't. Who improved and who did not. Who Ebayed and who's genuine.
The graphics have always been part of the Warcraft franchise. WoW's graphics are pretty much a simple step from Warcraft 3's graphics. The difference between the warcraft franchise and the command & conquer, or EverQuest v WoW is that Wacraft/WoW doesn't take itself too seriously and has a sense of humour. Something many nerds and geeks from the D&D scene fail to have.
So if having a sense of humour and not being super geeky nerdy weenie style is a kiddie game than WoW is a kiddie game.
If you're saying that WoW is now aimed at teens and kids then thats a different matter. Blizzard has decided to market and has changed the design of WoW to cater for the ADHD ritalin generation. But thats something all gaming genres have done. The growth market in games is for young kids coming into the gaming scene. If you have to compete with an XBOX and a Nintendo DS you have to make something that appeals very quickly.
Last time I checked videogames targetted all age ranges.
Now are you asking if WoW is a easy game?
In my opinion it's gotten easier to play with 40 mans no longer around and every raid having a 10 man version, Daily quests so you can easily farm gold and Arenas that yeild powerful items with minimal play hours invested.
Yeah it has gotten a lot easier with WotLK. But I found some of the so-called less kiddy games to be just as easy. Vanguard to me was especially simplistic. People told me that Vanguard was difficult to get into, for me it was easier than even getting into WoW.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
do you think WoW is Kiddie? i dont think so. if its kiddie then it should be like flyff / fiesta / florensia / dream of mirror / holic / asda story / rose / q-world
but no, it does not look like those therefore it is not kiddie. what you think?
Well to it's target audience you're of course going to get a hell no response.
But if you were to ask a guy that use to play pre-Trammel UO...haha....just simply HAHA would then be your response...
I find that this game has too many 12 year old kids playing which ruin the gameplay. I dont have a problem with 12 year olds playing video games lol but when ppl spend alot of there time playing 1 game and it gets frustrating or annoying playing in groups and finding out theres an immature person not playing the game the way its supposed too be ruining the game for you... its just not fun anymore... and it happens too often in WoW...
Well, Wow are aiming for a young audience so it depends on what you mean as "Kiddie". If the Narnia books are "Kiddie" so sure. If you think that it means Disney stuff then no.
But too me it seems like they have been making the game friendlier for young people since launch, I friend of mine is teacher (and plays Wow also BTW) and many of her 13 year old students play Wow so the game ain't getting any "mature" ratings.
On the other hand in a RPG game almost everything depends on the people you play with.
I find that this game has too many 12 year old kids playing which ruin the gameplay. I dont have a problem with 12 year olds playing video games lol but when ppl spend alot of there time playing 1 game and it gets frustrating or annoying playing in groups and finding out theres an immature person not playing the game the way its supposed too be ruining the game for you... its just not fun anymore... and it happens too often in WoW...
There aren't that many very young players in WoW, it's simply the impression we sometime have regarding the infantile s*** some people pull off in-game. These comments most of the time originate from very adult players that are just either spamming nonsense or are just stupid. Also these very young players are most of the time very shy and not that communicative. I would certainly not put the blame on these kids as much as most would. They are just kids in the end, not much they can do, surrounded by so many adults.
The problem is that without any sort of accountability factors, anyone can tarnish his/her own reputation without ever having to face any real consequences. They can just transfer (for cheap) or reroll (lvling being so easy and entirely soloable, no one sees or notices). You got the occasioanal Ebayers as well.
So the problem is to me more from immature adults than early high school kiddos. Reminds me of people blaming the current economic crisis we live on the poor and part of the lower middle class... layer one thinking in its purest form.
If Blizz can manage somehow to find to a way to stall the lvl expansion and build most of the future material from the current platform (WOTLK), things should settle and a community should slowly grow. They would need however to find a better way than what they did in TBC to keep people in there. If they just irrigate with additional seasons, s***ty events and some PVE instances here and there, it most likely won't work.
"kiddie?" Last time I checked videogames targetted all age ranges. Now are you asking if WoW is a easy game? In my opinion it's gotten easier to play with 40 mans no longer around and every raid having a 10 man version, Daily quests so you can easily farm gold and Arenas that yeild powerful items with minimal play hours invested. its easier but not kiddie imo.
The whole move to make it easier to was accomdate the older, more casual playerbase that wow has to some degree. You could also make the argument that WoW was made easier to accomodate the XBOX, instant gratification, ritalin fuelled crowd.
Remember Blizzard has spent the last 4 years having casuals whine at them for not making content easy and accessible on their limited time schedules. Its the casual players who have jobs and families that a lot of changes were made for. I dont think many 12 year olds have jobs and families.
Problem I had with games like UO/EQ and SWG was that i felt had to be a extremely fat, or extremely skinny pimple faced nerd to play those games. Games like UO/EQ only appeal to late teen and early 20's rpg players.
It probably has to do with the cartoony/charactaturish graphics. Adults tend towards realism and the younger ones seem to enjoy the cartoonish. Though the work is well executed and consistent in its cartoonishness, it is sort of an "acquired taste" for most adults. I know my first response to the exaggerated art style when I started playing was that I found it annoying. As I continued playing, I found that other enjoyable aspects of the game allowed me to overlook it and finally it became familiar enough to me that I could appreciate at least the artistry of it.
Nevertheless the art style is something we all associate more with children and cartoons than with adults and documentaries. So it's natural to have an instant association between the look of the game and a younger demographic.
Well you could say the graphics are kiddie but Im 26 but I watch cartoons still. They are Anime but still they are cartoons. I just don't like having sparkles ? and ! over things I need to find. That is what I think makes the game easy mode.
I never said adults don't watch cartoons, I said most adults tend to prefer realism over cartoons. That's why you see automobile ads when you watch CSI and not when you watch Pokemon.
all games are for kids anyone who says otherwise is just trying to make him self feel better for being 35 years old playing computer games and no im not 35 so dont bother replying with that
Please tell me you are joking. Games have become a major form of entertainment for people of varying ages. The concept that games are only for children is so outdated and archaic its not funny.
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This and whenever I hear someones voice in Vent (those who weren't in guild, I quit before Wrath came out) I would laugh at the high voices.
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yes and no, does that help?
My kids play WoW.
Me and my wife played EVE, and are now looking forward to Earthrise. Maybe Darkfall, but fantasy aint really our thing... but you never know...
Yes. WoW is for kids. Very small kids. I think older teens gets pretty bored of it very quick. Our oldest son is 13, and he thinks WoW is getting more and more nerdy for every day...
It has cute cartoony graphics and there are no risks whatsoever.
EVE is dark, hardcore, sexy and brutal. Some of the short/back stories have some of the most brutal and sick forms of torture ive ever read in my whole life.
Too bad EVE is turning into Capitals Online.
Me, the wife, and our generation, play Left 4 Dead while waiting for Earthrise (and maybe Darkfall).
You know whats "kiddie"? Bashing ppl for liking another game than you.
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The superiority complex displayed by some people on these boards is sickening.
If you pay attention to quests and lore, WoW is not exclusively a kids' game. There are some pretty dark themes going on, hidden behind those cartoony, bright graphics. But since a lot of people, adult and kid alike, don't bother reading the quests, and WoW's adult themes aren't in your face, it's automatically assumed that WoW is a kiddie game.
The risk factor though is a big thing for me and ultimately why I get bored with WoW and have to take breaks, but there are a lot of 'adult' games that also don't have a risk factor.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Not so much a kiddie game.
The story line itsself can get pretty dark.
The gameplay is simple, but it's suppose to be. It's an MMO that's meant to appeal to a large amount of people.
The backlash to this is older MMO players tend to reject it because of its more simple gameplay. They want intense challenges. Something that only a handful of people get. Also has made other companies spawn a load of games that try to take the same idea while trying to beat what wow has become.
But I found calling it "kiddie" was a really bad argument, especially as someone who knows the lore. Just because it has a more cartoonish look, doesn't mean it's kiddie.
The look actually defines the game better than anything. You can look at 100 fantasy MMO, and you will probably have trouble telling them apart.
You look at wow, and you know what it is.
Groovy.
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Not the game itself, at all. It's just fine the way it is. Blizz imo did well with a somewhat simple but very effective 3d engine and overall ambiance (music and scenery).
The end game community lacks heavily in the accountability department though. The ability to re-roll, switch server and etc. so easily made it so that we don't even know who's who anymore. Who's worth something and who isn't. Who improved and who did not. Who Ebayed and who's genuine.
The graphics have always been part of the Warcraft franchise. WoW's graphics are pretty much a simple step from Warcraft 3's graphics. The difference between the warcraft franchise and the command & conquer, or EverQuest v WoW is that Wacraft/WoW doesn't take itself too seriously and has a sense of humour. Something many nerds and geeks from the D&D scene fail to have.
So if having a sense of humour and not being super geeky nerdy weenie style is a kiddie game than WoW is a kiddie game.
If you're saying that WoW is now aimed at teens and kids then thats a different matter. Blizzard has decided to market and has changed the design of WoW to cater for the ADHD ritalin generation. But thats something all gaming genres have done. The growth market in games is for young kids coming into the gaming scene. If you have to compete with an XBOX and a Nintendo DS you have to make something that appeals very quickly.
"kiddie?"
Last time I checked videogames targetted all age ranges.
Now are you asking if WoW is a easy game?
In my opinion it's gotten easier to play with 40 mans no longer around and every raid having a 10 man version, Daily quests so you can easily farm gold and Arenas that yeild powerful items with minimal play hours invested.
its easier but not kiddie imo.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Yeah it has gotten a lot easier with WotLK. But I found some of the so-called less kiddy games to be just as easy. Vanguard to me was especially simplistic. People told me that Vanguard was difficult to get into, for me it was easier than even getting into WoW.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
Well to it's target audience you're of course going to get a hell no response.
But if you were to ask a guy that use to play pre-Trammel UO...haha....just simply HAHA would then be your response...
I find that this game has too many 12 year old kids playing which ruin the gameplay. I dont have a problem with 12 year olds playing video games lol but when ppl spend alot of there time playing 1 game and it gets frustrating or annoying playing in groups and finding out theres an immature person not playing the game the way its supposed too be ruining the game for you... its just not fun anymore... and it happens too often in WoW...
For me it looks like they just took the war 3 world and made it True 3D lol
Well, Wow are aiming for a young audience so it depends on what you mean as "Kiddie". If the Narnia books are "Kiddie" so sure. If you think that it means Disney stuff then no.
But too me it seems like they have been making the game friendlier for young people since launch, I friend of mine is teacher (and plays Wow also BTW) and many of her 13 year old students play Wow so the game ain't getting any "mature" ratings.
On the other hand in a RPG game almost everything depends on the people you play with.
I am in no way talking smack on the game, but the graphics remind me of Dragonball Z.
And there is alot of kids that watch this cartoon.
I am surprised there is'nt a WoW cartoon yet. At least there is a movie on the way.
There aren't that many very young players in WoW, it's simply the impression we sometime have regarding the infantile s*** some people pull off in-game. These comments most of the time originate from very adult players that are just either spamming nonsense or are just stupid. Also these very young players are most of the time very shy and not that communicative. I would certainly not put the blame on these kids as much as most would. They are just kids in the end, not much they can do, surrounded by so many adults.
The problem is that without any sort of accountability factors, anyone can tarnish his/her own reputation without ever having to face any real consequences. They can just transfer (for cheap) or reroll (lvling being so easy and entirely soloable, no one sees or notices). You got the occasioanal Ebayers as well.
So the problem is to me more from immature adults than early high school kiddos. Reminds me of people blaming the current economic crisis we live on the poor and part of the lower middle class... layer one thinking in its purest form.
If Blizz can manage somehow to find to a way to stall the lvl expansion and build most of the future material from the current platform (WOTLK), things should settle and a community should slowly grow. They would need however to find a better way than what they did in TBC to keep people in there. If they just irrigate with additional seasons, s***ty events and some PVE instances here and there, it most likely won't work.
The whole move to make it easier to was accomdate the older, more casual playerbase that wow has to some degree. You could also make the argument that WoW was made easier to accomodate the XBOX, instant gratification, ritalin fuelled crowd.
Remember Blizzard has spent the last 4 years having casuals whine at them for not making content easy and accessible on their limited time schedules. Its the casual players who have jobs and families that a lot of changes were made for. I dont think many 12 year olds have jobs and families.
Problem I had with games like UO/EQ and SWG was that i felt had to be a extremely fat, or extremely skinny pimple faced nerd to play those games. Games like UO/EQ only appeal to late teen and early 20's rpg players.
It probably has to do with the cartoony/charactaturish graphics. Adults tend towards realism and the younger ones seem to enjoy the cartoonish. Though the work is well executed and consistent in its cartoonishness, it is sort of an "acquired taste" for most adults. I know my first response to the exaggerated art style when I started playing was that I found it annoying. As I continued playing, I found that other enjoyable aspects of the game allowed me to overlook it and finally it became familiar enough to me that I could appreciate at least the artistry of it.
Nevertheless the art style is something we all associate more with children and cartoons than with adults and documentaries. So it's natural to have an instant association between the look of the game and a younger demographic.
Well you could say the graphics are kiddie but Im 26 but I watch cartoons still. They are Anime but still they are cartoons.
I just don't like having sparkles ? and ! over things I need to find. That is what I think makes the game easy mode.
I never said adults don't watch cartoons, I said most adults tend to prefer realism over cartoons. That's why you see automobile ads when you watch CSI and not when you watch Pokemon.
Please tell me you are joking. Games have become a major form of entertainment for people of varying ages. The concept that games are only for children is so outdated and archaic its not funny.
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your right it does not look like mentioned mmo's it looks more kiddy.
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