All companies are hiding things. Nature of business...it's not in the best interests of business to disclose everything.
At least a few hundred thousand people will buy it or already have bought it, sight unseen. It is a brand, with huge loyalty...hence, it will sell regardless of its quality.
Just like all the other games I have bought (EQ1, DAoC, and many single player games), I'll buy it without trying it. Thats just the way that I am.
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im planning on buying both WoW and EQ2 soon as i get my new comp (sometime late Nov)
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I'll be getting Everquest II immediately. I already have it pre-ordered for months now.
Of course there will be some bugs and some things will be incomplete, but as long as the game is playable with no "show-stoppers", I'll be logging in nightly.
I think anyone who has played SOE games already knows that they are probably hiding something. That doesn't always mean it is something bad. Lately, SOE has annouced a couple of great new features that will be in the game.
Open Beta is something that has gotten more common these days and I think it is a good way for players to give games a try for free. However, I don't think it is necessary in order for people to get enough info about a game before they buy it. It could sometimes be a bad thing, like when a game is still experiencing major bugs during Open Beta. That would most likely turn players off. This might be the case in EQ2 . . .
(Are you getting tired of Lineage II BigPeeler? I've just quit playing again for the second time. I want to like that game so much but it won't let me)
I think it would be much better if they had an open beta so that people would know exactly what they are getting into when they buy this game or any game for that matter. At LEAST they could provide a downloadable demo that would give you an idea what the graphics will look like on your system and would give players the opportunity to see if they like the gameplay mechanics. Even an offline demo would be fine.
"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation." Malcolm X.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Me personally, I would like to try it before I buy it. I am interested in both WoW and EQ2, but I will admit WoW is my number one. But, back to topic, I would like to try it just to see if my low-end pc can handle it. I will not be upgrading mine until PCI Express comes out. I would have said the same for WoW , but I did get to play during Stress and I know I can get away with my comp during retail there.
So, if they do not have OB for EQ2 , which I know has been rumored before that they were not, especially seeing how they are giving away accounts through Fileplanet.. I will most likely pick up EQ2 when I get my new comp sometime in the first quarter of next year.
I don't trust SOE anymore. EQ, PS, SWG; hah. Plus charging money for games like Infantry...it used to be free. SOE will squeeze the EQ dependents for every dime they can; they're not in it for making a fun game, they're in it for money.
-Et ________________________________ "I hope you're dyslexic and not just lazy."
I'll buy it, if a ton of my friends do and they bug me to play... but usually I won't buy an MMO unless I can try it in some shape or form first, whether by trial, beta, or whatever.
I hated EQ, probably won't like EQ2 but again, if my friends are gonna play it, I'll give it a go. But I have to agree, at this point, I really dislike SOE after playing SWG for a year and beta testing Jump to Lightspeed (quite a joke).
Not unless I see alot of good reviews/ratings for it on this website and in magazines. EQ burned me once, only a few things in this game look like they might be interesting. Mostly I dont see anything in EQ2 that would keep my attention longer than a month.
i will buy the game or should i say i just bought the game and i havent beta tested it. i played eq and i enjoyed it, so sure why not ill try it out. im not saying that it will be a great game but hey you will never find out for yourself until you try it. i played WoW and i like the game quite a bit, but it just seems way too quest dependant. people say that all you do in EQ is level grind but all you do in WoW is do quests that it becomes totally boring at times. i do understand that you can just go out and level in WoW but the mobs are so limited that it takes me more time finding the mob then killing it. to those who are thinking i just probably dont know where to lvl, well i guess i might not but hey its my opinion. Ill just get EQ2 and try it out and for those who whine that SOE is only after your money go out and get a job and stop mooching off mommy and daddy. The game is only $50 if you cant afford it then dont play it. If EQ2 isnt good then ill go to WoW. If its good then keep playing it
What I am concerned more about is the fact of we the players are making a well least said 'educated guess' at which game we want and will remain loyal to it. Problem is, least to me, the fact EQ2 going out the door before WoW.
The problem is WoW has to accept the facts that they lost ALOT of possible accounts due to that manuvers as the majority of people out in the big wide world will 'try' out EQ2 while waiting for retail version of WoW.
Will WoW be crippled if this comes to pass? Nope.
Will WoW be a success? Yes.
Will Blizzard or their parent company see up to half their possible royalties if they wait till after EQ2 comes out? I SERIOUSLY doubt it.
Blizzard just cost their parent company ALOT of money.
They tick off the players for NOT in the very least keeping us informed and letting a 'comming soon' sign be our only guide for weeks on end.
The graphics and screenshots will not sell the game alone. People need to try it and not us folks that will download it but the people at retail that will tell others. We are not many but the public is...
EQ2 is comming out BEFORE WoW. It is irrevelant if we like it or not. All their company will see is the bottom line and that Blizzard cost them a good chunk of it.
Let's hope this will not come to pass... but I am starting to see why some Blizzard folks left the company...
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
sure who wouldnt want to try it first? but alot of us cant. so ill just buy it, unless i get toWoW open beta and like it, before eq2 is in stores (personally i wonder how 'open' it will be)
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell." - Aldous Huxley
These games are going to run for years, not months. EQ2 first or WoW first doesnt matter. Look at SWG, how many people have jumped ship looking for something better. It will be the same with EQ2 and WoW.
I prefer open beta, but as a alternative, I will read alot of player reviews carefully to get a feel. From what SOE has stated about the game though I doubt I see any long term draw too it for me (not much into colleciting stuff and hanging out just chatting).
"I wasnt gonna just ram it home. I was gonna lube it up and ease it in there inch by inch....like a gentleman." - Hank
EQ1 was not a good experience for me when I played it. I will not pay for it without being able to try it. I did that with EQ1 and was seriously disgusted. I may buy it if WoW doesn't do it for me but in no other circumstance.
"Feel free to hate me, but hate me for the right reasons."
"Your still ignorant if you believe the first thing you see when the blindfold is removed."
Originally posted by protoroc no i like trial periods and internet downloads, if its an online game i shouldnt have to leave my house at all in order to play it
Ya know, I have to completely agree here, whether you were kiddin' or not.
A lot of games out there would have gotten money from me had they allowed Internet-based purchasing/download...even if there wasn't a trial. I bought Anarchy Online this way, I bought EVE Online this way...the only game I actually pre-ordered and had shipped to me was SWG, because hey, I'm a Star Wars geek, I had to have that one. Everquest I got with computer purchases...every other MMO that I've played (just about all of them), I've beta tested and decided I didn't like.
If FF, CoH, etc. all had download purchasing, I likely would have wasted no time in getting them, even without a trial period, just to give em a shot. Guess that's what I get from living in the middle of nowhere..
Originally posted by Etaanaru Direct Answer to topic: No. I don't trust SOE anymore. EQ, PS, SWG; hah. Plus charging money for games like Infantry...it used to be free. SOE will squeeze the EQ dependents for every dime they can; they're not in it for making a fun game, they're in it for money.-Et
They are ALL in it for the money. If they weren't, the games would be free.
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Wow OB is coming soon, and I'm not sure WoW or EQ2 is for me. So either WoW will impress me and I will buy it or I will wait 2-6 mo for news from norratth to change my mind (not likely)
EQ1 was my first mmo and still my fav to this day. i played it for about 3years. there is the loyalty factor here. if u buy a car u really love...of course u will go back and buy a new one 5 years down the road.
--No matter how flawed it may be...u still have to test drive it yourself.--
ive played the competition and i didnt like it. now all my money is riding on EQ2.
/pray
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
EQ2's 'gimmick' will likely be lack of intial content on launch. With them being ambitious in graphics, doing tons of audio voice-overs, and so on and so forth with the bells and whistles, its unrealistic to expect EQ1+expansion1/2/3/4/5/6/99/etc in terms of playable areas, objects, classes, etc.
From the website, it looks like there is 2 realms, each with six cities consisting of 'civilization', and then the Shattered Lands and Dungeons as mob-lands to slay and quest and what not in.
Other then that... it looks pretty sound. Will there be anything innovative, new, original? Its a sequel... so probably alot of carry-over from Everquest 1. The focus has definetely been on how pretty it looks by alot of people, some reviewers saying its Everquest 1 with better graphics and a few slight gameplay improvements. But it takes place in the future, so things will be DIFFERENT, but not nescessarily new.
It will definetely appeal to Everquest fans, (and there are alot of them), but will they be drawing people that didn't nescessarily see anything too fantastic in the first version? That is what will eventually be seen I guess.
But I think I'll play it without trying it. Unless I hear something horrible around launch. Like a grind worse then lineage.
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All companies are hiding things. Nature of business...it's not in the best interests of business to disclose everything.
At least a few hundred thousand people will buy it or already have bought it, sight unseen. It is a brand, with huge loyalty...hence, it will sell regardless of its quality.
Just like all the other games I have bought (EQ1, DAoC, and many single player games), I'll buy it without trying it. Thats just the way that I am.
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These are just my opinions, please direct your opinions of my opinions to your mama, not me and the other readers.
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Win XP Pro
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
1600 Mhz FSB
1 Gig PC3200 DDR400 RAM
160 Gig Ultra ATA HD
GeForce FX5700 256MB AGP
SoundBlaster Live 5.1
8X DVD+/-RW
yep...
im planning on buying both WoW and EQ2 soon as i get my new comp (sometime late Nov)
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Games Played - Too many to list~
Games Currently Playing - City of Heroes
Favorite Game So Far - Lineage 1 ^^
Waiting For - WoW (OB is gonna be hell T_T l337 d3wdz everywhere =_=)
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I'll be getting Everquest II immediately. I already have it pre-ordered for months now.
Of course there will be some bugs and some things will be incomplete, but as long as the game is playable with no "show-stoppers", I'll be logging in nightly.
I think anyone who has played SOE games already knows that they are probably hiding something. That doesn't always mean it is something bad. Lately, SOE has annouced a couple of great new features that will be in the game.
Open Beta is something that has gotten more common these days and I think it is a good way for players to give games a try for free. However, I don't think it is necessary in order for people to get enough info about a game before they buy it. It could sometimes be a bad thing, like when a game is still experiencing major bugs during Open Beta. That would most likely turn players off. This might be the case in EQ2 . . .
(Are you getting tired of Lineage II BigPeeler? I've just quit playing again for the second time. I want to like that game so much but it won't let me)
I would really rather not....
I think it would be much better if they had an open beta so that people would know exactly what they are getting into when they buy this game or any game for that matter. At LEAST they could provide a downloadable demo that would give you an idea what the graphics will look like on your system and would give players the opportunity to see if they like the gameplay mechanics. Even an offline demo would be fine.
"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation."
Malcolm X.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Me personally, I would like to try it before I buy it. I am interested in both WoW and EQ2, but I will admit WoW is my number one. But, back to topic, I would like to try it just to see if my low-end pc can handle it. I will not be upgrading mine until PCI Express comes out. I would have said the same for WoW , but I did get to play during Stress and I know I can get away with my comp during retail there.
So, if they do not have OB for EQ2 , which I know has been rumored before that they were not, especially seeing how they are giving away accounts through Fileplanet.. I will most likely pick up EQ2 when I get my new comp sometime in the first quarter of next year.
Direct Answer to topic: No.
I don't trust SOE anymore. EQ, PS, SWG; hah. Plus charging money for games like Infantry...it used to be free. SOE will squeeze the EQ dependents for every dime they can; they're not in it for making a fun game, they're in it for money.
-Et
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"I hope you're dyslexic and not just lazy."
I'll buy it, if a ton of my friends do and they bug me to play... but usually I won't buy an MMO unless I can try it in some shape or form first, whether by trial, beta, or whatever.
I hated EQ, probably won't like EQ2 but again, if my friends are gonna play it, I'll give it a go. But I have to agree, at this point, I really dislike SOE after playing SWG for a year and beta testing Jump to Lightspeed (quite a joke).
Fuseblown
Fuseblown
Not unless I see alot of good reviews/ratings for it on this website and in magazines. EQ burned me once, only a few things in this game look like they might be interesting. Mostly I dont see anything in EQ2 that would keep my attention longer than a month.
What I am concerned more about is the fact of we the players are making a well least said 'educated guess' at which game we want and will remain loyal to it. Problem is, least to me, the fact EQ2 going out the door before WoW.
The problem is WoW has to accept the facts that they lost ALOT of possible accounts due to that manuvers as the majority of people out in the big wide world will 'try' out EQ2 while waiting for retail version of WoW.
Will WoW be crippled if this comes to pass? Nope.
Will WoW be a success? Yes.
Will Blizzard or their parent company see up to half their possible royalties if they wait till after EQ2 comes out? I SERIOUSLY doubt it.
Blizzard just cost their parent company ALOT of money.
They tick off the players for NOT in the very least keeping us informed and letting a 'comming soon' sign be our only guide for weeks on end.
The graphics and screenshots will not sell the game alone. People need to try it and not us folks that will download it but the people at retail that will tell others. We are not many but the public is...
EQ2 is comming out BEFORE WoW. It is irrevelant if we like it or not. All their company will see is the bottom line and that Blizzard cost them a good chunk of it.
Let's hope this will not come to pass... but I am starting to see why some Blizzard folks left the company...
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.
With no potential for PvP i just dont see the point.There are a lot of offline games with NO pvp that are probably better than EQ2.
Yeah im bashing so what?WoW is going to be just as bad if not worse.
Im predicting that EQ2 will take the title from SWG as the "most dissapointing game release".WoW will be a tight second on that list too.
Its safe to say that i will not be buying either one.
Want to ENJOY an mmo?
Dont start a guild and dont be a leader or volunteer to be coleader or captain.
Just play the damn game:)
Yes I will still buy it.
sure who wouldnt want to try it first?
but alot of us cant. so ill just buy it, unless i get toWoW open beta and like it, before eq2 is in stores (personally i wonder how 'open' it will be)
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
- Aldous Huxley
I believe most most serious MMOG players are going to buy both, regardless of when they are released.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Already pre-ordered.
I'm not sure when I'll get WoW, but it's pretty definite as well.
These games are going to run for years, not months. EQ2 first or WoW first doesnt matter. Look at SWG, how many people have jumped ship looking for something better. It will be the same with EQ2 and WoW.
I prefer open beta, but as a alternative, I will read alot of player reviews carefully to get a feel. From what SOE has stated about the game though I doubt I see any long term draw too it for me (not much into colleciting stuff and hanging out just chatting).
"I wasnt gonna just ram it home. I was gonna lube it up and ease it in there inch by inch....like a gentleman." - Hank
EQ1 was not a good experience for me when I played it. I will not pay for it without being able to try it. I did that with EQ1 and was seriously disgusted. I may buy it if WoW doesn't do it for me but in no other circumstance.
"Feel free to hate me, but hate me for the right reasons."
"Your still ignorant if you believe the first thing you see when the blindfold is removed."
"Be smart enough to know I'm smarter than you."
Ya know, I have to completely agree here, whether you were kiddin' or not.
A lot of games out there would have gotten money from me had they allowed Internet-based purchasing/download...even if there wasn't a trial. I bought Anarchy Online this way, I bought EVE Online this way...the only game I actually pre-ordered and had shipped to me was SWG, because hey, I'm a Star Wars geek, I had to have that one. Everquest I got with computer purchases...every other MMO that I've played (just about all of them), I've beta tested and decided I didn't like.
If FF, CoH, etc. all had download purchasing, I likely would have wasted no time in getting them, even without a trial period, just to give em a shot. Guess that's what I get from living in the middle of nowhere..
Fuseblown
Fuseblown
They are ALL in it for the money. If they weren't, the games would be free.
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These are just my opinions, please direct your opinions of my opinions to your mama, not me and the other readers.
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Win XP Pro
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
1600 Mhz FSB
1 Gig PC3200 DDR400 RAM
160 Gig Ultra ATA HD
GeForce FX5700 256MB AGP
SoundBlaster Live 5.1
8X DVD+/-RW
Wow OB is coming soon, and I'm not sure WoW or EQ2 is for me. So either WoW will impress me and I will buy it or I will wait 2-6 mo for news from norratth to change my mind (not likely)
of course.
EQ1 was my first mmo and still my fav to this day. i played it for about 3years. there is the loyalty factor here. if u buy a car u really love...of course u will go back and buy a new one 5 years down the road.
--No matter how flawed it may be...u still have to test drive it yourself.--
ive played the competition and i didnt like it. now all my money is riding on EQ2.
/pray
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
EQ2's 'gimmick' will likely be lack of intial content on launch. With them being ambitious in graphics, doing tons of audio voice-overs, and so on and so forth with the bells and whistles, its unrealistic to expect EQ1+expansion1/2/3/4/5/6/99/etc in terms of playable areas, objects, classes, etc.
From the website, it looks like there is 2 realms, each with six cities consisting of 'civilization', and then the Shattered Lands and Dungeons as mob-lands to slay and quest and what not in.
Other then that... it looks pretty sound. Will there be anything innovative, new, original? Its a sequel... so probably alot of carry-over from Everquest 1. The focus has definetely been on how pretty it looks by alot of people, some reviewers saying its Everquest 1 with better graphics and a few slight gameplay improvements. But it takes place in the future, so things will be DIFFERENT, but not nescessarily new.
It will definetely appeal to Everquest fans, (and there are alot of them), but will they be drawing people that didn't nescessarily see anything too fantastic in the first version? That is what will eventually be seen I guess.
But I think I'll play it without trying it. Unless I hear something horrible around launch. Like a grind worse then lineage.