Couldn't you try to be a bit more one-dimensional? Do you have a single independent thought in your head, or do you just flap your gums without thinking for yourself?
Asherons Call Darktide survived longer than most of the releases of the last 3 years. Shadowbane failed because it was a piss poor game. DAoC Andred/Mordred failed because they had not created a PvP game. They had just taken the ordinary game and made it FFA. That works poorly in an environment, where levels puts such a huge gap between players power-wise.
Don't just blindly look for arguments to support your point of view. You will come off as being biased, and therefore lose credibility.
You are the one who has no credibility. Every pvp game that comes out fails. And you just make excuses for every one. It just make you look really bad.
I have been trying to get it thru your thick head...but with no success...pre-trammel UO was not a failure...people were not leaving in droves I dont care what you or any dev says.
anyone who played the game pre-trammel up too trammel and more then one has already told you that the population was fine pre-trammel.....every single available house spot in the entire game was occupied...across all servers...the game was doing fine.
yes the game had lost its #1 spot at the top of the mmo heap which was maybe 4 games then UO,EQ,AC and meridian 59 but it was in no way losing subs and dying as you would have people believe.
100k subs in 2000 was NOT...I repeat NOT a failure
theres alot of games out today that would love to have 100k subs
I have been trying to get it thru your thick head...but with no success...pre-trammel UO was not a failure...people were not leaving in droves I dont care what you or any dev says.
anyone who played the game pre-trammel up too trammel and more then one has already told you that the population was fine pre-trammel.....every single available house spot in the entire game was occupied...across all servers...the game was doing fine. yes the game had lost its #1 spot at the top of the mmo heap which was maybe 4 games then UO,EQ,AC and meridian 59 but it was in no way losing subs and ying as you would have people believe. 100k subs in 2000 was NOT...I repeat NOT a failure theres alot of games out today that would love to have 100k subs
Should I believe you or the developers of UO .. hmm I believe the developers. But keep living in your fantasy world, thats fine with me
I have been trying to get it thru your thick head...but with no success...pre-trammel UO was not a failure...people were not leaving in droves I dont care what you or any dev says.
anyone who played the game pre-trammel up too trammel and more then one has already told you that the population was fine pre-trammel.....every single available house spot in the entire game was occupied...across all servers...the game was doing fine. yes the game had lost its #1 spot at the top of the mmo heap which was maybe 4 games then UO,EQ,AC and meridian 59 but it was in no way losing subs and ying as you would have people believe. 100k subs in 2000 was NOT...I repeat NOT a failure theres alot of games out today that would love to have 100k subs
Should I believe you or the developers of UO .. hmm I believe the developers. But keep living in your fantasy world, thats fine with me
I wanna see this developer quote you keep talking about
when more then one person has told you the exact opposite is true....we already know you quit the game after being ganked repeatedly ....so iknow you werent there....I was
I wanna see this developer quote you keep talking about when more then one person has told you the exact opposite is true....we already know you quit the game after being ganked repeatedly ....so iknow you werent there....I was
I wanna see this developer quote you keep talking about when more then one person has told you the exact opposite is true....we already know you quit the game after being ganked repeatedly ....so iknow you werent there....I was
I already posted the quote . Learn to read
you did not post an official quoate anywhere in this thread, i would like to see it..
I wanna see this developer quote you keep talking about when more then one person has told you the exact opposite is true....we already know you quit the game after being ganked repeatedly ....so iknow you werent there....I was
I already posted the quote . Learn to read
quoting anothers poster is not a dev......are u friggin serious ? are u f*** with me?
you can not seriously being using the quote you posted as the basis of your argument are you?
Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK.......... It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play. ?
when UO came out it was the only MMORPG, it had no competitiion. So peopled stayed even though it was a total gankfest. When other options appeared, ala Everquest, everyone left. I remember when DAOC opened up full pvp servers, they failed miserably Asherons call darktide has failed Shadowbane has failed Every game with fully open pvp and full looting has failed. And yet you keep saying how everyone loves it?
UO was already out for a while when Trammel came out and altering a game that much always alienates some of the fan base. Time that with the release of new, 3D Graphic MMORPGs coming out and of course people would move on to new things.
Those other games you mentioned failed for other reasons. Had they no open PvP they probably would have failed even worse.
DAOC's idea of "free PvP' was ridiculous. There were no safe-zones of any kind.
In UO, the chances of being PK'd were not that high unless you were a friggin idiot. There were places where PKs loved to hang out and the only reason to go there would be to fight them. This was cool.
Point is, as long as you were even mildly good enough or smart enough - you were never ganked.
If you were, it's because you suck at videogames and maybe you should stick to your easy MMORPGs.
UO(pre-UOR) = Normal Mode
Other MMORPGs = Easy Mode
The only people who are "good" at the new MMOs are people who have no lives and can spend 24/hrs a day leveling and getting new items.
Darkfall won't have to be a huge success for me to enjoy it. With the hype it has, it will have at least enough subscribers for people like me to have fun (hoping its as good as UO anyway).
Oh boy i hope it works for Darkfall then cuz that's the central idea the game is built around.....
Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK.......... It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to drive a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play. ?
yea i think some people get "skill-based mmo" confused with skills to play.
it will take slightly more skills to play the the typical stand around and whack-a-mob game.....but serious skills are not required.
the truely skilled will be the guild leaders who can lead a well coordinated planned out attack.......how ya keep it from being a zergfest I wouldnt know
Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK.......... It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to drive a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play. ?
yea i think some people get "skill-based mmo" confused with skills to play.
it will take slightly more skills to play the the typical stand around and whack-a-mob game.....but serious skills are not required.
the truely skilled will be the guild leaders who can lead a well coordinated planned out attack.......how ya keep it from being a zergfest I wouldnt know
Free beer and hookers all around seems to do the trick
Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK.......... It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play. ?
People who think a video game takes skill, have no idea what any real skill is thus they dont have one.
All it is, is just the people trying to justify to themselves that they are better than the average gamer.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK.......... It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise
I disagree.
Skill is a learned practice. Something you have to learn in order to be good at it.
Skill and talent are not the same (unless you count having a knack for learning quickly as a talent). I think that videogames DO involve skill. If not, why are some people much better at certain games than others? It's because they took the time to learn.
Is being good at a game something to admire? Probably not, but it is still a skill.
In UO, you did have to be skilled at the game. You could have 10 people, give them all the same stats and equipment and make them all fight - the most skilled guy would win. Hell, 1 skilled guy vs 9 not-so-skilled guys could win. That was what made UO great. It was based on your knowledge/ability to play the game and not your class/race/level/uber-magic-wand-of-carebear. Sounds like skill to me.
Chess and UO are both games. Whether digital or otherwise - the person who is able to anticipate his opponent's moves faster and more accurately usually wins.
I wanna see this developer quote you keep talking about when more then one person has told you the exact opposite is true....we already know you quit the game after being ganked repeatedly ....so iknow you werent there....I was
I already posted the quote . Learn to read
Hahaha.... classic.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Shit like this makes me think you're just out to rile people up.
Honestly, why are so many people yearning for UO again if it was sucha failure? people don't yearn for games that are massive failures. Most of the Darkfall hype comes from the fact that it's like UO - "the world's shittiest game" according to you. I seriously doubt you even played the game for more than a few days (if at all).
I guess everyone is just retarded. Thanks for enlightening us.
I have been trying to get it thru your thick head...but with no success...pre-trammel UO was not a failure...people were not leaving in droves I dont care what you or any dev says.
anyone who played the game pre-trammel up too trammel and more then one has already told you that the population was fine pre-trammel.....every single available house spot in the entire game was occupied...across all servers...the game was doing fine. yes the game had lost its #1 spot at the top of the mmo heap which was maybe 4 games then UO,EQ,AC and meridian 59 but it was in no way losing subs and ying as you would have people believe. 100k subs in 2000 was NOT...I repeat NOT a failure theres alot of games out today that would love to have 100k subs
Should I believe you or the developers of UO .. hmm I believe the developers. But keep living in your fantasy world, thats fine with me
UO pre-trammel showed exactly what is going to happen with DF. 1. New players won't last the first month
2. Exploits will be rampent and spread quickly. 'tricking' players into going grey will be considered a tactic. Players who are successful aren't the ones who use their skills the best, they will be the ones who learn to game the game.
3. The Flavor-of-the-month class will be the only one played. UO had a phase (about 6 months) where everyone was a mage who carried a polearm.
4. Gear grinding - You'll have to have many sets of gear stored, or else when you die with your group, you will get left behind as you try to get more gear. There is a reason why UO made Trammel, they were losing a ton of players because of the ruleset. If you have a pre-built guild and you plan on starting on day 1 things will seem fine for a few weeks... but the UO ruleset just is not viable for a longterm game
This is totally crap your ill informed and based facts on a 11year old game, you have absolutely no clue what so ever how Darkfall is. Again some troll try place Darkfall in negative light bah:(
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Calling the OP a Troll in this situation adds nothing to the conversation. These "Facts", whether they be 11 years or 1 day old are relevant to this discussion. Why don't you explain in detail how you feel the OP is incorrect in his assumptions instead of behaving like the troll you accuse him of being.
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Calling the OP a Troll in this situation adds nothing to the conversation. These "Facts", whether they be 11 years or 1 day old are relevant to this discussion. Why don't you explain in detail how you feel the OP is incorrect in his assumptions instead of behaving like the troll you accuse him of being.
Shit like this makes me think you're just out to rile people up.
Honestly, why are so many people yearning for UO again if it was sucha failure? people don't yearn for games that are massive failures. Most of the Darkfall hype comes from the fact that it's like UO - "the world's shittiest game" according to you. I seriously doubt you even played the game for more than a few days (if at all). I guess everyone is just retarded. Thanks for enlightening us.
Asherons call darktide has most of the stuff UO had and it failed. Shadowbane has most of the stuff Darkfall has and it failed. If open pvp and full looting were really that great , there would be hundreds of thousands of people playing these games.
Just because 10 guys on a forum talk about how they loved uo cus they could gank noobs., doesn't mean the game was successful. Now that people have more options, nobody plays open pvp games.
Why don't you explain to me why all the open pvp games fail these days. You can't explain it
Shit like this makes me think you're just out to rile people up.
Honestly, why are so many people yearning for UO again if it was sucha failure? people don't yearn for games that are massive failures. Most of the Darkfall hype comes from the fact that it's like UO - "the world's shittiest game" according to you. I seriously doubt you even played the game for more than a few days (if at all). I guess everyone is just retarded. Thanks for enlightening us.
Asherons call darktide has most of the stuff UO had and it failed. Shadowbane has most of the stuff Darkfall has and it failed. If open pvp and full looting were really that great , there would be hundreds of thousands of people playing these games.
Just because 10 guys on a forum talk about how they loved uo cus they could gank noobs., doesn't mean the game was successful. Now that people have more options, nobody plays open pvp games.
Why don't you explain to me why all the open pvp games fail these days. You can't explain it
AC1 Darktide didn't fail because it was just a seperate full open PvP world to the real game.
But it was always the least populated and no one really played there for long other than the die hards which is exactly how this game is going to end up. An empty world with a few die hard people playing on it themselves.
There is another link out there somewhere from a Dev. that posted quite a bit about the inner working of UO from when Trammel was released... haven't found it yet though. I'll update this list when I find it.
EVE is not fully open pvp. You are safe in high sec space. Thats the way most people want it. They want areas that are safe, where you can gather resources, and kill mobs.
They don't want a game where 50 people are standing outside all the exits to town, and kill you the second you leave the city
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Calling the OP a Troll in this situation adds nothing to the conversation. These "Facts", whether they be 11 years or 1 day old are relevant to this discussion. Why don't you explain in detail how you feel the OP is incorrect in his assumptions instead of behaving like the troll you accuse him of being.
Exactly. These people will never learn.
Plenty of people have explained why the OP is wrong n there assesment of pre-trammel..Some people dont want to accept the it.....Read thru the thread you may learn something...
And on another note why do you want to turn Darkfall into a PvE game , there are plenty of PvE games for folks to choose from why do you care so much..?
If you cant be satisfied by the PvE in games like LotRo ,EQ2,WoW,etc etc .. then you never will be .. so again ask your self the question "Why am i not satisfied with the current market of PvE?"...
"Is something missing?'
" Is there no thrill "
" Maybe you continue to search because these games are missing a thrill factor that UO pre trammel possesed" Possibly it may be what you need .
Do you believe that Darkfall brings some revolutionary PvE mechanics not seen before.. That you must experience without being hindered by other players .....The answer is No...So if you dont have the stomach for PVP open world move along to one of these great PvE games that are out there ....
EVE is not fully open pvp. You are safe in high sec space. Thats the way most people want it. They want areas that are safe, where you can gather resources, and kill mobs.
They don't want a game where 50 people are standing outside all the exits to town, and kill you the second you leave the city
So, you are that famous guy who speaks for all the people now..
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You are the one who has no credibility. Every pvp game that comes out fails. And you just make excuses for every one. It just make you look really bad.
I have been trying to get it thru your thick head...but with no success...pre-trammel UO was not a failure...people were not leaving in droves I dont care what you or any dev says.
anyone who played the game pre-trammel up too trammel and more then one has already told you that the population was fine pre-trammel.....every single available house spot in the entire game was occupied...across all servers...the game was doing fine.
yes the game had lost its #1 spot at the top of the mmo heap which was maybe 4 games then UO,EQ,AC and meridian 59 but it was in no way losing subs and dying as you would have people believe.
100k subs in 2000 was NOT...I repeat NOT a failure
theres alot of games out today that would love to have 100k subs
Should I believe you or the developers of UO .. hmm I believe the developers. But keep living in your fantasy world, thats fine with me
Should I believe you or the developers of UO .. hmm I believe the developers. But keep living in your fantasy world, thats fine with me
I wanna see this developer quote you keep talking about
when more then one person has told you the exact opposite is true....we already know you quit the game after being ganked repeatedly ....so iknow you werent there....I was
I already posted the quote . Learn to read
I already posted the quote . Learn to read
you did not post an official quoate anywhere in this thread, i would like to see it..
I already posted the quote . Learn to read
quoting anothers poster is not a dev......are u friggin serious ? are u f*** with me?
you can not seriously being using the quote you posted as the basis of your argument are you?
because if so.............nm
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........
It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play.
?
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
UO was already out for a while when Trammel came out and altering a game that much always alienates some of the fan base. Time that with the release of new, 3D Graphic MMORPGs coming out and of course people would move on to new things.
Those other games you mentioned failed for other reasons. Had they no open PvP they probably would have failed even worse.
DAOC's idea of "free PvP' was ridiculous. There were no safe-zones of any kind.
In UO, the chances of being PK'd were not that high unless you were a friggin idiot. There were places where PKs loved to hang out and the only reason to go there would be to fight them. This was cool.
Point is, as long as you were even mildly good enough or smart enough - you were never ganked.
If you were, it's because you suck at videogames and maybe you should stick to your easy MMORPGs.
UO(pre-UOR) = Normal Mode
Other MMORPGs = Easy Mode
The only people who are "good" at the new MMOs are people who have no lives and can spend 24/hrs a day leveling and getting new items.
Darkfall won't have to be a huge success for me to enjoy it. With the hype it has, it will have at least enough subscribers for people like me to have fun (hoping its as good as UO anyway).
Oh boy i hope it works for Darkfall then cuz that's the central idea the game is built around.....
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........
It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to drive a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play.
?
yea i think some people get "skill-based mmo" confused with skills to play.
it will take slightly more skills to play the the typical stand around and whack-a-mob game.....but serious skills are not required.
the truely skilled will be the guild leaders who can lead a well coordinated planned out attack.......how ya keep it from being a zergfest I wouldnt know
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........
It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to drive a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play.
?
yea i think some people get "skill-based mmo" confused with skills to play.
it will take slightly more skills to play the the typical stand around and whack-a-mob game.....but serious skills are not required.
the truely skilled will be the guild leaders who can lead a well coordinated planned out attack.......how ya keep it from being a zergfest I wouldnt know
Free beer and hookers all around seems to do the trick
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........
It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise, if it did we wouldn't have anymore Free To Play and Pay to Play, we would have Free To Play and Payed To Play.
?
All it is, is just the people trying to justify to themselves that they are better than the average gamer.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........
It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.
It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise
I disagree.
Skill is a learned practice. Something you have to learn in order to be good at it.
Skill and talent are not the same (unless you count having a knack for learning quickly as a talent). I think that videogames DO involve skill. If not, why are some people much better at certain games than others? It's because they took the time to learn.
Is being good at a game something to admire? Probably not, but it is still a skill.
In UO, you did have to be skilled at the game. You could have 10 people, give them all the same stats and equipment and make them all fight - the most skilled guy would win. Hell, 1 skilled guy vs 9 not-so-skilled guys could win. That was what made UO great. It was based on your knowledge/ability to play the game and not your class/race/level/uber-magic-wand-of-carebear. Sounds like skill to me.
Chess and UO are both games. Whether digital or otherwise - the person who is able to anticipate his opponent's moves faster and more accurately usually wins.
I hope Darkfall will be the same.
I already posted the quote . Learn to read
Hahaha.... classic.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Shit like this makes me think you're just out to rile people up.
Honestly, why are so many people yearning for UO again if it was sucha failure? people don't yearn for games that are massive failures. Most of the Darkfall hype comes from the fact that it's like UO - "the world's shittiest game" according to you. I seriously doubt you even played the game for more than a few days (if at all).
I guess everyone is just retarded. Thanks for enlightening us.
Should I believe you or the developers of UO .. hmm I believe the developers. But keep living in your fantasy world, thats fine with me
Do you believe Smedley on SWG?
'nuff said.
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Calling the OP a Troll in this situation adds nothing to the conversation. These "Facts", whether they be 11 years or 1 day old are relevant to this discussion. Why don't you explain in detail how you feel the OP is incorrect in his assumptions instead of behaving like the troll you accuse him of being.
Exactly. These people will never learn.
Asherons call darktide has most of the stuff UO had and it failed. Shadowbane has most of the stuff Darkfall has and it failed. If open pvp and full looting were really that great , there would be hundreds of thousands of people playing these games.
Just because 10 guys on a forum talk about how they loved uo cus they could gank noobs., doesn't mean the game was successful. Now that people have more options, nobody plays open pvp games.
Why don't you explain to me why all the open pvp games fail these days. You can't explain it
Asherons call darktide has most of the stuff UO had and it failed. Shadowbane has most of the stuff Darkfall has and it failed. If open pvp and full looting were really that great , there would be hundreds of thousands of people playing these games.
Just because 10 guys on a forum talk about how they loved uo cus they could gank noobs., doesn't mean the game was successful. Now that people have more options, nobody plays open pvp games.
Why don't you explain to me why all the open pvp games fail these days. You can't explain it
AC1 Darktide didn't fail because it was just a seperate full open PvP world to the real game.
But it was always the least populated and no one really played there for long other than the die hards which is exactly how this game is going to end up. An empty world with a few die hard people playing on it themselves.
Here are some links with some actual Dev. quotes... not just opinions.
This first one is shortly after AoS was released:
www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/12253/site_id/1
This one is a collection of quotes from previous UO Devs. with the most telling quote below:
"I helped grow the game from a stagnating 96,000 subscribers to a thriving 240,000..."
rpgvault.ign.com/articles/837/837389p1.html
There is another link out there somewhere from a Dev. that posted quite a bit about the inner working of UO from when Trammel was released... haven't found it yet though. I'll update this list when I find it.
What about EVE ? It has almost same ruleset.
That would be a good thing, but this thread is agenst DF and UO...so it wouldent be fit to talk about it here.
EVE is not fully open pvp. You are safe in high sec space. Thats the way most people want it. They want areas that are safe, where you can gather resources, and kill mobs.
They don't want a game where 50 people are standing outside all the exits to town, and kill you the second you leave the city
Exactly. These people will never learn.
Plenty of people have explained why the OP is wrong n there assesment of pre-trammel..Some people dont want to accept the it.....Read thru the thread you may learn something...
And on another note why do you want to turn Darkfall into a PvE game , there are plenty of PvE games for folks to choose from why do you care so much..?
If you cant be satisfied by the PvE in games like LotRo ,EQ2,WoW,etc etc .. then you never will be .. so again ask your self the question "Why am i not satisfied with the current market of PvE?"...
"Is something missing?'
" Is there no thrill "
" Maybe you continue to search because these games are missing a thrill factor that UO pre trammel possesed" Possibly it may be what you need .
Do you believe that Darkfall brings some revolutionary PvE mechanics not seen before.. That you must experience without being hindered by other players .....The answer is No...So if you dont have the stomach for PVP open world move along to one of these great PvE games that are out there ....
EVE is not fully open pvp. You are safe in high sec space. Thats the way most people want it. They want areas that are safe, where you can gather resources, and kill mobs.
They don't want a game where 50 people are standing outside all the exits to town, and kill you the second you leave the city
So, you are that famous guy who speaks for all the people now..
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