not completely all that its cracked up to be...

styles74 · October 2004

i have been in beta for a while....and although you find most people bashing it, i won't do that. but honestly, its just not all that its cracked up to be.

i can deal with the crashes, the lag (YES THIS IS MOSTLY FIXED DON'T BELIEVE A WORD OF THE HATERS), and the mundane quests...

but i just can't deal with the fact that there is no pvp in the way of good vs. evil or qeynos vs. freeport (however u decide to view it). I do believe that a FFA situation would not be ideal either, but some conflict is really necessary here to keep my interest.

i can't stand the fact that i can group with members of the opposite side. its totally silly.

the graphics are hands down the best ever.

I am still totally undecided if im gonna go ahead and get it. I really wish i could give this a glowing review.

and to all those who think that i'm some WOW spy, i played in the stress test and i didn't like that either.

The ONLY advice im gonna give here is that you CAN WAIT 7 or even 14days (if you have a lot of self control) after release and talk to people you know, or read more UNBIASED reviews from sites not pressured by SOE, and then make your decision.

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metalfoxus · October 2004

It's kinda weird to me too, because even though its stated to be a "cold war" between cities, there should atleast not be good and evil parties and i wish there were little skirmishes from time to time. But, thats only a small factor for me and i cant wait for this game. I tried the WoW stress test too, i didnt like the fact that good could never go to the evil areas without getting screwed over, etc. and the constant warfare. I know your not a WoW spy too, (and thats a good thing

we dont need another OracleP4 here

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styles74 · October 2004

Well i think that on some of the "neutral" continents it should be more of a dueling type situation, but on some more advanced areas it should be wide open good vs. evil

I am half tempted to just put the $5 down for the pre-order and keep playing beta till whenever they shut it down to make my final decision.

I wish i just wasn't wavering on the subject

I am honestly very concerned how long this would keep my interest... to be honest i could be playing right now but im not.

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DerfelCadarn · October 2004

Well, I actually agree. Its not a bad game, but it isn't revolutionary and the pvp/endgame really isnt there. No content/quests makes up for no pvp, the quests really arent very good(I liked AC2 quest better). The lag isnt bad, only in a few uncompete zones. Either way, it is being pushed out of the doors, WAY too early- the content just isn't there. The only reason they are doing this is to try to this is to get out before WoW- not a good strategy. Overall, I cannot see this game getting good "pro" reviews. I'll just be checking gamerankings, and waiting for cheap copies on ebay.

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BigPeeler · October 2004

good stuff styles...

the lack of PvP is kind of detering me from purchasing too, but i have faith they will do something with it along the road (well, if they plan on keeping anybody in the game anyways)...

i will be buying the game in late Nov, already set on it... but it's nice to know what to expect...

thanks Styles... it's refreshing to see constructive criticism instead of just rabid WoW fanboys flaming mindlessly...

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diSturBeD · October 2004

I'm not a big fan of PVP, but I think it's a bad move not including it. I mean what about all the people from EQ PVP servers? They're not as likely to switch I'd think since there will be no PVP intially. My guess is they just want something else to make an expansion out of. :P

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ElElyon · October 2004

so your only complaint is pvp?.....

ok

I don't think pvp makes or breaks a game. if you liked eq at all, you would agree.

zcandymanz · October 2004

Yeah I wouldnt care that much about PvP but when the game is centered around two rival cities it doesnt make sense. So we miss out on 1/2 of the cities and we dont even fight our enemies? seems weird. I hope they make a zone or two for PvP in an exspansion or something, but I'm not planning on it either.

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zcandymanz · October 2004

Well that is some hope, I hope they give ther game a boost whether it be PvP or something else.

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Gindolmer · October 2004

I agree with the original post as to the fact that it may be a bit wierd running around as the baddest assest of all badass dark elf defilers and not being able to even touch a dwarf paladin... I hope that SOE is considering implementing SOME form of pvp. I think the original EQ method of pvp was as close to as good as one can get in an mmorpg.

This obviously won't be affecting my choice of buying the game, but I do agree that it will be more than a bit of a nuisance. Especially if opposite faction characters are allowed in both cities and especially if there are going to be two economies. The two economy system seems to me to cater directly to there being a a great wedge driven between the two cities, but then you realize that there will be absolutely no pvp. Its a bit of a paradox if you ask me.

rathma · October 2004

When i got to play beta after all that anticipation I had for this game, a part of me died a little inside. Seriously, I was really let down. I'm not a WoW fanboi (Although that's all i'm left with now), it's just that there are a few things this game REALLY screwed up on. I can't comprehend that the most anticipated massivley multiplayer game has two rivalry cities (good vs. evil) and there is no PvP at all!

I ran into other problems I had with the game as well. Simply put, wait a week or so after release, listen to what people have to say. Despite the amazing graphics engine, this game feels really old and bland.

"The Crimes of the Servers are No Servers ONline and BLIZZARD KNOWS this! We play to beta test to WOW play the game that we Tested... FOR THEM!! Why then to the Devs give us excuses for the Servers of Delays on their DElays. CRIMES! I'm a Elf and need levels because I couldn't Play THURsday. I couldn't play FIRDAY either because Ther servers DOWN and Today's Friday!" - Catavari

p00ka · October 2004

Sorry, no PvP. Move along...

-pooka

jimhus · October 2004

Originally posted by styles74

but i just can't deal with the fact that there is no pvp in the way of good vs. evil or qeynos vs. freeport (however u decide to view it). I do believe that a FFA situation would not be ideal either, but some conflict is really necessary here to keep my interest.
i can't stand the fact that i can group with members of the opposite side. its totally silly.
Doesn't make much sense, IMO. And the good vs. evil is a classic setup for PvP. A shame.
The ONLY advice im gonna give here is that you CAN WAIT 7 or even 14days (if you have a lot of self control) after release and talk to people you know, or read more UNBIASED reviews from sites not pressured by SOE, and then make your decision.
Probably the best advice on buying the game I've heard. Almost none of us will follow it - but still great advice.
The recent announcement that there will be a total of 4 character slots ACROSS ALL SERVERS is maybe the dumbest decision I've heard them make. If it remains so for their retail plan, I will be cancelling my pre-order.

Fitzle · October 2004

This news about having only 4 characters per account has been very distressing. I have had more than a few friends who were previously very excited about EQ2 consider this decision a dealbreaker. It doesn't bother me personally since I tend to find a character I like and stick with it, only going to an alt when I am really bored. But having folks I was looking forward to hanging with not buy the game because of this, well, pretty well makes the game suck for me too.

Harafnir · October 2004

So many bad things here, the 4 characters per account just being the last straw, I find it amazing how many is all up their skirts over this just because of the name.. Its like a bad Levis commersial... The quality is not what matters, its what it says on the box. Oh well... They will make their millions.. Just wish a small company could step up to the plate soon, they can not rely on names to sell, they HAVE to make quality, and can not release any junk they dish out. Stats mean nothing, skills mean nothing.. armor mean nothing... weapon has a small impact.. race mean nothing... equipment in general mean almost nothing... They bash Explorer personalities (No characters and no experimentation).. They bash Achiever personalities (no twinking, no tactics, simplified.. everything).. They bash Killer personalities(No PvP, no competition)... So... Hm... I guess its the socializers that are so lyrical... Or what I get the feeling of.. Old but still true:

Sucker born every minute.

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Johnark · October 2004

Originally posted by styles74

but i just can't deal with the fact that there is no pvp in the way of good vs. evil or qeynos vs. freeport (however u decide to view it). I do believe that a FFA situation would not be ideal either, but some conflict is really necessary here to keep my interest.
i can't stand the fact that i can group with members of the opposite side. its totally silly.

Look at what PVP has done to Star Wars Galaxies. It forced SOE to revamp profession after profession, when all it did in the end was make another profession overpowered, up to the point where they just didn't give a damn anymore and started working on the Expansion instead, thus leaving certain professions overpowered (coughRiflemancoughSwordsmanscough).

Without PVP, people won't be competing with each other, so people won't complain they cannot beat a certain class in PVP, then trying to get a % of the community to b1tch at SOE to make their class stronger since they are too weak, then SOE ends up making that class too powerful, then the other classes will feel weak, so they will revolt next, and then you end up that EQ2 sucks as much as Star Wars Galaxies and everyone quits and plays Worlds of Warcraft instead.

Oh and did you know that in Star Wars Galaxies, you can have a Rebel and Imperial grouped together. Heck you can even have Rebels and Imperials in the same guild too. Isn't that so unrealistic? lol Heck I was a rebel and I even married an Imperial girl too. w00t

p00ka · October 2004

I couldn't agree more. PvP = death at this stage. They need to release a solid PvE game first, then worry about PvP later.

-pooka

styles74 · October 2004

thx for the valid responses guys. I have to agree with whoever said that PVP doens't totally make or break a game as well as what it did do SWG.

Beta has at times been very fun, and overall im glad i partcipated regardless of whatever happens. It is truly amazing to take in some of the scenery and listen to the talking npc's.

I do hold out hope that eventually they will be forced to yield to levelheaded thinkers (like you guys).

Also I know that the 4 slot thing has been a real concern for some, but honestly that really has never bugged me. The oldest created char i had i just sold all my stuff and gave it to the newest iteration. I have tried all the 4 main archetypes and prolly half of all the sub classes at level 10 and i havent really ever had a hard time deleting old chars.... just something to think about.

EDIT for last pookas response.... i understand where you guys are coming from about leaving pvp out...my problem is that i really am getting bored. i wont rule out the fact that it just happens to not hold my attention. i guess i wouldnt risk ruining the game over it for other people who can totally just enjoy the questing.... but they really need to mix those up as well. this is something that is entirely in the realm of possibility as well.

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newbinator · October 2004

No PvP in Everquest 2 is a positive not a negative, at least in my opinion. I'm sick of cheaters(botters) that ruin a game with PvP (DAOC), so I'm thrilled that in EQ2 I can just have fun and not have to worry about losing in a PvP battle against a cheater.

Bigpig · October 2004

Yes i would rather see them work on the pve side of the game and make it great than to spend tears tryin to balance the game like swg. PvP casuse a lot of grifing and hasle imho would much rather se the comutiy bound togather before pvp if it is put in

vamse · October 2004

argh...replied in the wrong topic..nm

sliver · October 2004

I also think that the pve is enough to carry the game. Sony knows how many of their players were pvp, and it was a small minority of the players. The pvp servers were the least populated, this is true in most games. They will add that later. Hopefull, they will add in something like the battlegrounds from daoc, a place to go where the main and only objective is to fight between both sides. They could implement this on all the servers and not offend anybody. Im not a pvp person and I like the direction they chose with eq2.

-Sony didnt release to beat wow, they released to start getting a return on their investment after 4+ years of development. They are a business and development is neither free nor profitable. Beleive it or not, they cant keep games in development forever, although blizzard happens to like doing that. You could spend a decade tweaking a game to absolute pristine perfection. There comes a point where you have to finally put it out.

Kiamde · October 2004

Even if it is a bit vanilla, I am still going to play it. I have been following it for a year and I have to see the "failure" for myself.

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sliver · October 2004

Originally posted by Kiamde
Even if it is a bit vanilla, I am still going to play it. I have been following it for a year and I have to see the "failure" for myself. -----------------Comedy and propriety...going together like Peanut Butter and Turpentine

I wouldnt worry about it being vanilla, Its a very in depth game with alot of complex stuff to do. The lack of pvp wont kill it at all. Take City of Heroes for example, great fun game, the lack of pvp hasnt stopped anyone from playing it. CoH was lacking a bit in longetivity, but EQ2 wont have those problems with the items, quests, more class selections/balance, varied enemies, varied landscapes.

They will be adding pvp to coh, and I think they will also add pvp into eq2 somewhere down the line once they perfect the rest of the game.

Billius8 · October 2004

The reason there is no P vs P as a main theme in EQ2 is that the North American MMORPG market has favored P vs E games. P vs P games have generally gone the way of Shadowbane aren't the big hit that some on this message board would make them out to be.

Think of it this way:

P vs P'ers: aggressive males, teen boys, mostly, probably

P vs E'ers: everyone else, both genders, folks of every age group

The second group is larger and MMORPG developers know this. Most people don't like to have their adventuring interrupted by a gank attack. It's not fun for most people to be ganked. People have been known to log off and end their subscriptions after being ganked.

EQ2 will dominate and it will dominate because it's a P vs E focused game. Now, if they have a couple of servers after launch for the P vs P crowd, that's fine. But to change the very game to make it P vs P -centric would drive hordes of subscribers away from the game.

Effect · October 2004

Originally posted by Billius8

The reason there is no P vs P as a main theme in EQ2 is that the North American MMORPG market has favored P vs E games. P vs P games have generally gone the way of Shadowbane aren't the big hit that some on this message board would make them out to be.

Think of it this way:
P vs P'ers: aggressive males, teen boys, mostly, probably
P vs E'ers: everyone else, both genders, folks of every age group

The second group is larger and MMORPG developers know this. Most people don't like to have their adventuring interrupted by a gank attack. It's not fun for most people to be ganked. People have been known to log off and end their subscriptions after being ganked.

EQ2 will dominate and it will dominate because it's a P vs E focused game. Now, if they have a couple of servers after launch for the P vs P crowd, that's fine. But to change the very game to make it P vs P -centric would drive hordes of subscribers away from the game.

Great points and well said.

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