I believe it did, and before you flame me, let me say why I think this way.
World of Warcraft appealed to a very large player base - pretty much anyone who had played Warcraft III, and people who were playing other MMOs, but had also had experience with Blizzard's franchises in the past (i.e. Starcraft, Diablo/Diablo II) World of Warcraft then sold millions, MILLIONS of copies, very quickly.
One does not think about the consequences of this - there are how many people in the world that play MMOs? What, like, maybe 50 million? I'm talking subscribers, here.
Now, WoW stole millions of those people away from other games. When some of them are only getting maybe 200,000 subscribers, and 100,000 flock to WoW like flies to honey, well, that's a big loss.
Many of the smaller MMOs were swept away in the emergence of WoW, and creativity was quickly lead to fear of "what if we can't take them away from WoW?"
Fury tried the PvP aspect - because that's still quite lacking - but failed miserably (which I blame on their Networking, and the fact that they didn't have a SINGLE server in AUSTRALIA.... fucking Auran)
Now where was I.
So, WoW grew into a monster, much like the magikarp to a Garados (and don't tell me you don't know what they are... we all were into pokemon at some stage! *shakes fist*) With such a monster out in the world, one must look and marvel. They're making more than a Billion dollars a year. Game developers, for YEARS now, have always gone the way of "Just do what already works, and improve on it!" Have you seen this in the world of First person shooters? Racing games?
They're all the same shit, but different, and with new, shinier graphics. Game devs lost their creativity a long while ago, especially Blizzard (whose main directors behind games like Diablo and Starcraft left long ago) and, well, they want to make games that will surely make money. WoW makes a lot of money. They emulate, they'll get money.
The problem is that WoW isn't getting better, it's staying the same little shit game, and when someone tries to create something different, they are but a splash of water in the MMO sea. WoW is an Ocean in that Sea, and that Sea will always be the same size.
..... In summary, I agree, but I also believe that because WoW has become such a rediculous success, while not really doing anything extraordinary (you know, like, good.) other companies have pretty much said "why bother making good games, when WoW makes so much money from being shit?"
Too long...you could have shortened it down to "I'm an idiot" and it would have had the same effect.
Good practice if you are taking a typing class though.
As a side note, I really like your SOE lies link. More people should be made aware of all of those. Not that I cared particularly for SWG, which is where most of the anger seems to come from, but SOE lies to their players, and they only care about money. They anger of players and their refusal to give them money is the only thing that can ever stop them. So thank you. Also, I love the vampire quote. What's it from?
Yes I agree I think it's nice with a gathering of all the lies as a reference in the future. So that they won't be forgotten as easily.
The quote is taken from Quentin Tarantino's movie "From Dusk Till Dawn"
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I voted yes even though I don't think WoW "ruined" the MMOs. It poisoned the market, though. We're now dealing with a very stale and stagnant MMO market.
Until WoW, studios were on the hunt for the "perfect MMO". They all wanted a share of the big cake that is a steady income from monthly subscription fees. Imagine. For just running a game, you get the amoung of money you get from a retail game every 3 months! Even if you tripled the amount of devs you couldn't outdo that with a normal game.
And they were trying. Look back pre-2004 and look how many different flavors MMOs came in. Aside from the staple of MMOs, fantasy, there were so many settings, so many different kinds of gameplay, from sandboxy games to level grinders, from easy interfaces to challenging skill chains...
Today, everyone copies WoW. You can't toss a dead cat over your shoulder without hitting a WoW knockoff. And they'll all fail or at least putter along in meaningless mediocracy because why should anyone play a barely-out-of-beta MMO (and, face it, no MMO will be truely "ready" when it's released) when he can have the same playing experience in a polished game that offers two expansions (and probably more in the future) worth of content?
Everyone's just making the next WoW. Maybe with a touch of this or a speck of that, but stripping the fluff you have yet another WoW knockoff.
Yet, if a studio dares to try something new, it will fail as well because beancounters will measure its success to WoW. And you can't beat that. WoW has a great mix, you can't question that. You can take away a few subscribers from it, you can convince a few that hate WoW because of some reason and love your game because it doesn't "suffer" from the same "bad mistake" WoW made, but you won't get those 11 million subscribers. Not by a longshot.
WoW is maybe not the "best" MMO out there, but it is the one that most people can agree on. Imagine you want to play with your friends. You may prefer EvE, but your buddies don't like the beancounting. Your friend might want to play Planetside, but you're not the FPS gamer. Another might want to go for Ultima, but everyone else groans about the pointless sandbox bull. WoW is something all three can somehow accept, maybe while mumbling under their breath, but it's the least common denominator.
If you want to outdo WoW, you'll have to go lower. And personally, I don't really like this development.
It's a rather weird poll since I don't see how it can actually "ruin" other games in the making...WoW is a great game that I have enjoyed since release but stopped playing recently....unfortunately it seems to become slackier by each expansion and all that it can possibly ruin from there on is itself... other games can do their job right and take the example of what was good in wow and leave out the bad, if they don't know how to filter it out and make a good game they are ruining it themselves...making copycat games of WoW is just stupid otherwise
I was thinking about this and while I said before that WoW DIDNOT ruin mmorpg's , I would have to say that many of us who play MMO's have tried other games and want them to succeed like WoW has.. My point is that while there are other games out there, I even wish to play ,that I have many friends that still wish to play wow.. so where does that leave me? playing wow to be with friends ive known along time..
sounds dumb but that is why i am there... its not for its fantastic game play, its sure not for its crafting system, it isnt for the fantastic adventuring, or exploring... what the heck are we here for? most i see are here for ease of game play.. aspects to wow i like are, the music.. the UI, ... character creation is generic at best.. I truley am wanting something WAY better but tell me where that is??? If tehy did a revamp of AO i would be there if they did a remake all new with Asherons call id be there... its like we are in this stagnant pool of mmo's right now coming out... AOC and Warhammer come to mind and even lotro...
sorry for being lengthy im frustrated at games persay as the rest of some of you
did it ruin mmo's no... dig deep developers there are TONS of ideas out there... heck get some gamers together come on make a great game... hoping for Darkfall, Earthrise,Mortal Online
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Did wow destroy mmorpgs? Nope. They took the model that was being worked on by everyone else and polished it. The only way that it can ruin the genre as a whole is when other developers try to make games directed specifically at trying to overthrow wow. They need to make their own game, the game that is fun for them, the one that they want to play. If they make wow clones then maybe they should just stick to playing wow
I played FFXI Online before this as well as EQA Online in beta and after. I honestly believe that their intentions were pure - create something for everyone however, what came out isn't what was probably conceived in the beginning. In the beginning WoW was great - just enough people to do things with and not that many kids playing.
They went wrong when they tried to make it a game for everyone. They tried to please too many people - make it easy, make it soloable but bring in PvP. They have the chat filter so now the kids think that gives them the right to completely go off their head. I very rarely heard language like that on FFXI - I honestly think because most times SE doesn't care about your money as much as Blizz - they care about the game and making it pure for everyone so they'll suspend you or heck even ban your acct. Blizz on the other hand says - just /ignore - and even when they've found people using hacks - do you see them cancel their accts - nope. They're not trying to make MMOs better, they're just trying to stay the latest, greatest thing. So Yes, they've ruined it atleast for me until something comes out that corrects their mistakes. But I won't hold my breath for that.
For me it did ruin it for a while. I fell into the trap of everything fast and now. I had to go back and play a few older games before i was able to enjoy MMO's again.
WoW didn't ruin MMOs. If anything it raised the standards. Unfortuantely i think SoE has really given up, and as for AoC and Warhammer I was mostly just dissapointed. Hopefully 2009 will bring some more impressive games (Darkfall, Aion, New EQ server, Mortal etc.)
World of Warcraft is just another MMORPG to play... plain and simple. Your question and this poll really doesn't prove anything or serve a purpose for that matter.
It is comparable to someone asking... "Did chocolate ice cream ruin it for all flavors of ice cream?"
Of course not. People will always like a variety of different flavors of ice cream that are available. Some people like chocolate, while others may favor strawberry. The same is true with MMORPGs, there are a variety of MMORPGs out there to choose from. Some people like World of Warcraft while others may favor FFXI.
So you see, if you have found a MMORPG that you really enjoy and like to play, then good for you. That is all that matters in the end.
It is my opinion that WoW transformed the MMO playerbase from loyal, honorable roleplayers into selfish, teamspeak loot whores. Maybe it's just the new generation of young players who came in with this attitude, but I think WoW has had a large part to play in the deterioration of the MMO playerbase.
Furthermore, I believe that many of these players who try new MMOs are stuck in the WoW attitude and try to play any new game like they are playing WoW where they get everything fast and easy. When it's not, they cry and complain until the developers change the game to be more like WoW.
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Warcraft brought MMO's into the mainstream. That means more player, more money and hopefully more and better development. So in my opinion its not bad what warcraft have done
On the other hand all the old style MMO's have won because i now appreciate them more than before.
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What in the hell is WoW? LOL World of Warcraft is just another MMORPG to play... plain and simple. Your question and this poll really doesn't prove anything or serve a purpose for that matter. It is comparable to someone asking... "Did chocolate ice cream ruin it for all flavors of ice cream?" Of course not. People will always like a variety of different flavors of ice cream that are available. Some people like chocolate, while others may favor strawberry. The same is true with MMORPGs, there are a variety of MMORPGs out there to choose from. Some people like World of Warcraft while others may favor FFXI. So you see, if you have found a MMORPG that you really enjoy and like to play, then good for you. That is all that matters in the end.
This is one of the only post that makes sense here, good analogy. How could WoW have ruined MMO's? That would imply that everyone thinks there's a problem... and I don't. As Jaded stated, people will continue to play what they like, and what appeals to them, for whatever reasons. I have played every MMO made, and at 28, I've seen most of them from the beginning. At this particular moment, I am enjoying WoW, as my playable time has dwindled due to my job and a young child, for that reason, WoW fits perfectly right now. That doesn't mean that I won't enjoy another game when it comes out.
WoW has done more for the MMO industry then any other MMO in history; it has brought in the crowd. Other developers should be happy as hell for that. They're here now... all you have to do is be creative and make a descent game, and you will bring in more people then you would have if WoW had never existed. Most people I talk to playing WoW are doing so as they feel it's the best option at this point, however, if another game came out, they would at least try it, if not leave all together.
In summation, I feel that WoW has helped the industry much more then anyone has given Blizzard credit for by bring people to the genre that otherwise may have never found their way.
Hi Warcraft brought MMO's into the mainstream. That means more player, more money and hopefully more and better development. So in my opinion its not bad what warcraft have done On the other hand all the old style MMO's have won because i now appreciate them more than before. my 2 coppers Letus Darkglow
Usually when something goes mainstream, quantity goes up while quality goes down, which is exactly what we have seen since WoW pushed MMOs into the mainstream. There hasn't been one quality MMO since WoW.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
What in the hell is WoW? LOL World of Warcraft is just another MMORPG to play... plain and simple. Your question and this poll really doesn't prove anything or serve a purpose for that matter. It is comparable to someone asking... "Did chocolate ice cream ruin it for all flavors of ice cream?" Of course not. People will always like a variety of different flavors of ice cream that are available. Some people like chocolate, while others may favor strawberry. The same is true with MMORPGs, there are a variety of MMORPGs out there to choose from. Some people like World of Warcraft while others may favor FFXI. So you see, if you have found a MMORPG that you really enjoy and like to play, then good for you. That is all that matters in the end.
This is one of the only post that makes sense here, good analogy. How could WoW have ruined MMO's? That would imply that everyone thinks there's a problem... and I don't. As Jaded stated, people will continue to play what they like, and what appeals to them, for whatever reasons. I have played every MMO made, and at 28, I've seen most of them from the beginning. At this particular moment, I am enjoying WoW, as my playable time has dwindled due to my job and a young child, for that reason, WoW fits perfectly right now. That doesn't mean that I won't enjoy another game when it comes out.
WoW has done more for the MMO industry then any other MMO in history; it has brought in the crowd. Other developers should be happy as hell for that. They're here now... all you have to do is be creative and make a descent game, and you will bring in more people then you would have if WoW had never existed. Most people I talk to playing WoW are doing so as they feel it's the best option at this point, however, if another game came out, they would at least try it, if not leave all together.
In summation, I feel that WoW has helped the industry much more then anyone has given Blizzard credit for by bring people to the genre that otherwise may have never found their way.
That analogy doesn't hold water, and here's why. Even though chocolate is still delicious, companies and people still make a LARGE assortment of other flavors, anything from coffee, to bubblegum, to mint chocolate chip. Popularity of chocolate hasn't really affected the production and quantity of other flavors.
Apply that to the MMO genre. Say WoW is chocolate and it is a massive success. If MMOs were icecream, the flavors that are created, produced, maintainted, etc would all be chocolate derived. The equivalent would be going into an Icecream store after Chocolate became super popular, and finding the store only has flavors that are or similar to chocolate.
People aren't mad that WoW became popular, people are mad because other developers have completely stopped making other forms of MMOs, and completely stopped thinking critically, and have all started producing copies or something incredibly similar to the oh so popular chocolate.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Hi Warcraft brought MMO's into the mainstream. That means more player, more money and hopefully more and better development. So in my opinion its not bad what warcraft have done On the other hand all the old style MMO's have won because i now appreciate them more than before. my 2 coppers Letus Darkglow
Usually when something goes mainstream, quantity goes up while quality goes down, which is exactly what we have seen since WoW pushed MMOs into the mainstream. There hasn't been one quality MMO since WoW.
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Agree. But sometimes its better to slowdown quality a little bit to bring more people in it. This generates money and segments for the more hardcore players too. The companies then have the money for continuing good games with not so much players on it.
Its a hope, not more, that in the future there will be more good games then in the last 2 or 3 years. Most of the games are not so bad, but they are released too early, with to many bugs in or to less content.
"Die Vorzüge von gestern sind oft die Fehler von morgen" Anatole France
The fact that the gengre became mainstream ruined the soul of it, because the gengre start to become a cheese parody (clones this, clones that)
The real quality is made in the underground, thats why many have never heard of it before wow came along, and some may even still think that wow is the only mmo on the planet.
Nope Daoc, everquest, ultima online, ... had millions of people subscribed. This was not underground, it was only a smaller segment from the large cake of games. Windows had the same discussion (it ruined pc's, it ruined the os, ...). I agree that there is potential to be better, for hardcore and casual player, but thats the way our system works. Wow now has the sucess, in a view years there will be another game the biggest, like in the past everquest was. Not one of them ruined anything.
"Die Vorzüge von gestern sind oft die Fehler von morgen" Anatole France
Yes in that it turned the MMO world into an instant gratification object of fantasy, and put all subsequent MMO's into EzPlay. That type of player that WoW attracted unfortunately has stifled mmorpg growth to the point that I think that this will be the 'lost decade' of would-be challenging and fun mmos.
Unfortunately because of this, I think it's 'killed' the market -- at least for a few more years. When the behemoth that WoW is begins to wobble on it's top like EQ did, and clones of WoW continue to fail then new ideas (or old ones) will fall into play to breathe new life into the genre. Or so I hope. I would hate for WoW to be the last popular MMO, when the genre could do so much more.
No in that there was SOME (not saying all) aspects that were polished up past what previous successors did. One was the graphic engine, which allowed for a great majority of players of older PC's to play and didn't require a super-pc to run the game at low graphics. This was probably the most single important aspect of the EQ2/WoW war during release next to a justifiable and unadulterated hatred of SoE. The other was the questing system. Unfortunately the questing system went from being a 'helper', to the only means of effective leveling.
I just can't get over that WoW and other recent MMO's just feel very hollow inside, and lacking depth, character, challenge, and community that the 1st generation MMO's had. Is that WoW's fault though? No, a plethoria of sub-par MMO's have come out since the 1st generation. WoW is simply the most popular of them.
Popular does not neccessarily mean the best or greatest. For more examples, just watch the Emmy Awards.
No! All the half assed developers trying to rehash the same game to capitalize on its player base did along with all the publishers pushing for titles to compete with WoW.
In a way though they might have just perfected their style of MMO and game companies will start to realize that, and also realize that they can't compete directly with a cloned system. This may create a ton of originality in the genre soon. Especially after what is happening to Mythic, Funcom, etc.
well another poll, this one a bit different. please vote, and comment on why you voted yes or no, thanks
I'm sorry OP, but what is wrong with you?
World of Warcraft is the best thing that has happened to the genre to date. The biggest game subscription wise before WoW was EQ with 500,000 subs. (as far as I know, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Do you realize how much people have opened their eyes for this genre since WoW launched?
How can wow ruin so much when so many play on wow? I saw that wow is biger than Austrailia on tv. All those people in Austrailia must be right if they like wow so much. I think wow showed other games how to be better and more like wow and now they are getting better like wow. But still wow is good and others that are like wow are good. WAR is good but it is like wow i think so that is why. The conan game tried to be like wow to but not as good as war. If it tries to be like wow then it is a good game I think.
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Too long...you could have shortened it down to "I'm an idiot" and it would have had the same effect.
Good practice if you are taking a typing class though.
50 million... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Yes I agree I think it's nice with a gathering of all the lies as a reference in the future. So that they won't be forgotten as easily.
The quote is taken from Quentin Tarantino's movie "From Dusk Till Dawn"
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I voted yes even though I don't think WoW "ruined" the MMOs. It poisoned the market, though. We're now dealing with a very stale and stagnant MMO market.
Until WoW, studios were on the hunt for the "perfect MMO". They all wanted a share of the big cake that is a steady income from monthly subscription fees. Imagine. For just running a game, you get the amoung of money you get from a retail game every 3 months! Even if you tripled the amount of devs you couldn't outdo that with a normal game.
And they were trying. Look back pre-2004 and look how many different flavors MMOs came in. Aside from the staple of MMOs, fantasy, there were so many settings, so many different kinds of gameplay, from sandboxy games to level grinders, from easy interfaces to challenging skill chains...
Today, everyone copies WoW. You can't toss a dead cat over your shoulder without hitting a WoW knockoff. And they'll all fail or at least putter along in meaningless mediocracy because why should anyone play a barely-out-of-beta MMO (and, face it, no MMO will be truely "ready" when it's released) when he can have the same playing experience in a polished game that offers two expansions (and probably more in the future) worth of content?
Everyone's just making the next WoW. Maybe with a touch of this or a speck of that, but stripping the fluff you have yet another WoW knockoff.
Yet, if a studio dares to try something new, it will fail as well because beancounters will measure its success to WoW. And you can't beat that. WoW has a great mix, you can't question that. You can take away a few subscribers from it, you can convince a few that hate WoW because of some reason and love your game because it doesn't "suffer" from the same "bad mistake" WoW made, but you won't get those 11 million subscribers. Not by a longshot.
WoW is maybe not the "best" MMO out there, but it is the one that most people can agree on. Imagine you want to play with your friends. You may prefer EvE, but your buddies don't like the beancounting. Your friend might want to play Planetside, but you're not the FPS gamer. Another might want to go for Ultima, but everyone else groans about the pointless sandbox bull. WoW is something all three can somehow accept, maybe while mumbling under their breath, but it's the least common denominator.
If you want to outdo WoW, you'll have to go lower. And personally, I don't really like this development.
It's a rather weird poll since I don't see how it can actually "ruin" other games in the making...WoW is a great game that I have enjoyed since release but stopped playing recently....unfortunately it seems to become slackier by each expansion and all that it can possibly ruin from there on is itself... other games can do their job right and take the example of what was good in wow and leave out the bad, if they don't know how to filter it out and make a good game they are ruining it themselves...making copycat games of WoW is just stupid otherwise
I was thinking about this and while I said before that WoW DIDNOT ruin mmorpg's , I would have to say that many of us who play MMO's have tried other games and want them to succeed like WoW has.. My point is that while there are other games out there, I even wish to play ,that I have many friends that still wish to play wow.. so where does that leave me? playing wow to be with friends ive known along time..
sounds dumb but that is why i am there... its not for its fantastic game play, its sure not for its crafting system, it isnt for the fantastic adventuring, or exploring... what the heck are we here for? most i see are here for ease of game play.. aspects to wow i like are, the music.. the UI, ... character creation is generic at best.. I truley am wanting something WAY better but tell me where that is??? If tehy did a revamp of AO i would be there if they did a remake all new with Asherons call id be there... its like we are in this stagnant pool of mmo's right now coming out... AOC and Warhammer come to mind and even lotro...
sorry for being lengthy im frustrated at games persay as the rest of some of you
did it ruin mmo's no... dig deep developers there are TONS of ideas out there... heck get some gamers together come on make a great game... hoping for Darkfall, Earthrise,Mortal Online
No. A game cannot ruin an entire node of entertainment. I will have to agree with the music analogies I have read.
-Almerel
Hello my old friend.
Did WoW ruin a genre?
No! companies copying the same game trying to ride WoWs success are ruining the genre.
WAR would have been 100 times better if it copied more of what made DAoC great not what WoW did.
WoW is a good game, not my deal anymore but still a good game.
Anyway you guys can keep up with your doom and gloom posts..... Ill be over here playing EvE.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Did wow destroy mmorpgs? Nope. They took the model that was being worked on by everyone else and polished it. The only way that it can ruin the genre as a whole is when other developers try to make games directed specifically at trying to overthrow wow. They need to make their own game, the game that is fun for them, the one that they want to play. If they make wow clones then maybe they should just stick to playing wow
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I voted Yes.
I played FFXI Online before this as well as EQA Online in beta and after. I honestly believe that their intentions were pure - create something for everyone however, what came out isn't what was probably conceived in the beginning. In the beginning WoW was great - just enough people to do things with and not that many kids playing.
They went wrong when they tried to make it a game for everyone. They tried to please too many people - make it easy, make it soloable but bring in PvP. They have the chat filter so now the kids think that gives them the right to completely go off their head. I very rarely heard language like that on FFXI - I honestly think because most times SE doesn't care about your money as much as Blizz - they care about the game and making it pure for everyone so they'll suspend you or heck even ban your acct. Blizz on the other hand says - just /ignore - and even when they've found people using hacks - do you see them cancel their accts - nope. They're not trying to make MMOs better, they're just trying to stay the latest, greatest thing. So Yes, they've ruined it atleast for me until something comes out that corrects their mistakes. But I won't hold my breath for that.
For me it did ruin it for a while. I fell into the trap of everything fast and now. I had to go back and play a few older games before i was able to enjoy MMO's again.
Now happily playing EQ2
WoW didn't ruin MMOs. If anything it raised the standards. Unfortuantely i think SoE has really given up, and as for AoC and Warhammer I was mostly just dissapointed. Hopefully 2009 will bring some more impressive games (Darkfall, Aion, New EQ server, Mortal etc.)
I think it didn't ruin MMORPGs but it set in stone a standard many players do not like.
Before EQ and WoW the standard did not include instanced dungeons, no risk pvp,
a world dedicated as an instance hub with very little content exept for very linier quest chains.
People who played pre Ren/AoS UO, Asherons Call, Lineage, Ryzom, DAOC either stll play there or are
semi retired waiting for something else, or still playing WoW waiting for something else.
In WoW or the current crop of games you really arent part of the world and can't change a thing.
You feel like your in a large chat room waiting for your raid group to form, or if your in a larger guild,
raiding all day. Thats about it. The ( non violent ) crowd have won the last 4 year war and are not holding it
back to rub it in and many of us are feeling a little stuck in the cold or just bored. But as for ruined I don't
think so. Same thing happened in UO and EQ no one thought they could be replaced but that's not
realistic, of course WoW WILL be replaced no way around it.
What in the hell is WoW?
LOL
World of Warcraft is just another MMORPG to play... plain and simple. Your question and this poll really doesn't prove anything or serve a purpose for that matter.
It is comparable to someone asking... "Did chocolate ice cream ruin it for all flavors of ice cream?"
Of course not. People will always like a variety of different flavors of ice cream that are available. Some people like chocolate, while others may favor strawberry. The same is true with MMORPGs, there are a variety of MMORPGs out there to choose from. Some people like World of Warcraft while others may favor FFXI.
So you see, if you have found a MMORPG that you really enjoy and like to play, then good for you. That is all that matters in the end.
It is my opinion that WoW transformed the MMO playerbase from loyal, honorable roleplayers into selfish, teamspeak loot whores. Maybe it's just the new generation of young players who came in with this attitude, but I think WoW has had a large part to play in the deterioration of the MMO playerbase.
Furthermore, I believe that many of these players who try new MMOs are stuck in the WoW attitude and try to play any new game like they are playing WoW where they get everything fast and easy. When it's not, they cry and complain until the developers change the game to be more like WoW.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Hi
Warcraft brought MMO's into the mainstream. That means more player, more money and hopefully more and better development. So in my opinion its not bad what warcraft have done
On the other hand all the old style MMO's have won because i now appreciate them more than before.
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"Die Vorzüge von gestern sind oft die Fehler von morgen" Anatole France
This is one of the only post that makes sense here, good analogy. How could WoW have ruined MMO's? That would imply that everyone thinks there's a problem... and I don't. As Jaded stated, people will continue to play what they like, and what appeals to them, for whatever reasons. I have played every MMO made, and at 28, I've seen most of them from the beginning. At this particular moment, I am enjoying WoW, as my playable time has dwindled due to my job and a young child, for that reason, WoW fits perfectly right now. That doesn't mean that I won't enjoy another game when it comes out.
WoW has done more for the MMO industry then any other MMO in history; it has brought in the crowd. Other developers should be happy as hell for that. They're here now... all you have to do is be creative and make a descent game, and you will bring in more people then you would have if WoW had never existed. Most people I talk to playing WoW are doing so as they feel it's the best option at this point, however, if another game came out, they would at least try it, if not leave all together.
In summation, I feel that WoW has helped the industry much more then anyone has given Blizzard credit for by bring people to the genre that otherwise may have never found their way.
Usually when something goes mainstream, quantity goes up while quality goes down, which is exactly what we have seen since WoW pushed MMOs into the mainstream. There hasn't been one quality MMO since WoW.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
This is one of the only post that makes sense here, good analogy. How could WoW have ruined MMO's? That would imply that everyone thinks there's a problem... and I don't. As Jaded stated, people will continue to play what they like, and what appeals to them, for whatever reasons. I have played every MMO made, and at 28, I've seen most of them from the beginning. At this particular moment, I am enjoying WoW, as my playable time has dwindled due to my job and a young child, for that reason, WoW fits perfectly right now. That doesn't mean that I won't enjoy another game when it comes out.
WoW has done more for the MMO industry then any other MMO in history; it has brought in the crowd. Other developers should be happy as hell for that. They're here now... all you have to do is be creative and make a descent game, and you will bring in more people then you would have if WoW had never existed. Most people I talk to playing WoW are doing so as they feel it's the best option at this point, however, if another game came out, they would at least try it, if not leave all together.
In summation, I feel that WoW has helped the industry much more then anyone has given Blizzard credit for by bring people to the genre that otherwise may have never found their way.
That analogy doesn't hold water, and here's why. Even though chocolate is still delicious, companies and people still make a LARGE assortment of other flavors, anything from coffee, to bubblegum, to mint chocolate chip. Popularity of chocolate hasn't really affected the production and quantity of other flavors.
Apply that to the MMO genre. Say WoW is chocolate and it is a massive success. If MMOs were icecream, the flavors that are created, produced, maintainted, etc would all be chocolate derived. The equivalent would be going into an Icecream store after Chocolate became super popular, and finding the store only has flavors that are or similar to chocolate.
People aren't mad that WoW became popular, people are mad because other developers have completely stopped making other forms of MMOs, and completely stopped thinking critically, and have all started producing copies or something incredibly similar to the oh so popular chocolate.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Usually when something goes mainstream, quantity goes up while quality goes down, which is exactly what we have seen since WoW pushed MMOs into the mainstream. There hasn't been one quality MMO since WoW.
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Agree. But sometimes its better to slowdown quality a little bit to bring more people in it. This generates money and segments for the more hardcore players too. The companies then have the money for continuing good games with not so much players on it.
Its a hope, not more, that in the future there will be more good games then in the last 2 or 3 years. Most of the games are not so bad, but they are released too early, with to many bugs in or to less content.
"Die Vorzüge von gestern sind oft die Fehler von morgen" Anatole France
No, wow did not ruin the mmo world..
The fact that the gengre became mainstream ruined the soul of it, because the gengre start to become a cheese parody (clones this, clones that)
The real quality is made in the underground, thats why many have never heard of it before wow came along, and some may even still think that wow is the only mmo on the planet.
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Nope
Daoc, everquest, ultima online, ... had millions of people subscribed. This was not underground, it was only a smaller segment from the large cake of games. Windows had the same discussion (it ruined pc's, it ruined the os, ...). I agree that there is potential to be better, for hardcore and casual player, but thats the way our system works. Wow now has the sucess, in a view years there will be another game the biggest, like in the past everquest was. Not one of them ruined anything.
"Die Vorzüge von gestern sind oft die Fehler von morgen" Anatole France
Well, yes and no.
Yes in that it turned the MMO world into an instant gratification object of fantasy, and put all subsequent MMO's into EzPlay. That type of player that WoW attracted unfortunately has stifled mmorpg growth to the point that I think that this will be the 'lost decade' of would-be challenging and fun mmos.
Unfortunately because of this, I think it's 'killed' the market -- at least for a few more years. When the behemoth that WoW is begins to wobble on it's top like EQ did, and clones of WoW continue to fail then new ideas (or old ones) will fall into play to breathe new life into the genre. Or so I hope. I would hate for WoW to be the last popular MMO, when the genre could do so much more.
No in that there was SOME (not saying all) aspects that were polished up past what previous successors did. One was the graphic engine, which allowed for a great majority of players of older PC's to play and didn't require a super-pc to run the game at low graphics. This was probably the most single important aspect of the EQ2/WoW war during release next to a justifiable and unadulterated hatred of SoE. The other was the questing system. Unfortunately the questing system went from being a 'helper', to the only means of effective leveling.
I just can't get over that WoW and other recent MMO's just feel very hollow inside, and lacking depth, character, challenge, and community that the 1st generation MMO's had. Is that WoW's fault though? No, a plethoria of sub-par MMO's have come out since the 1st generation. WoW is simply the most popular of them.
Popular does not neccessarily mean the best or greatest. For more examples, just watch the Emmy Awards.
No! All the half assed developers trying to rehash the same game to capitalize on its player base did along with all the publishers pushing for titles to compete with WoW.
In a way though they might have just perfected their style of MMO and game companies will start to realize that, and also realize that they can't compete directly with a cloned system. This may create a ton of originality in the genre soon. Especially after what is happening to Mythic, Funcom, etc.
I'm sorry OP, but what is wrong with you?
World of Warcraft is the best thing that has happened to the genre to date. The biggest game subscription wise before WoW was EQ with 500,000 subs. (as far as I know, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Do you realize how much people have opened their eyes for this genre since WoW launched?
Oh, and no, I don't play WoW.
How can wow ruin so much when so many play on wow? I saw that wow is biger than Austrailia on tv. All those people in Austrailia must be right if they like wow so much. I think wow showed other games how to be better and more like wow and now they are getting better like wow. But still wow is good and others that are like wow are good. WAR is good but it is like wow i think so that is why. The conan game tried to be like wow to but not as good as war. If it tries to be like wow then it is a good game I think.