So, out of curiosity, your totally willing to ignore the fact they lied to all their players, not once, but twice, amongst showing a complete incompetence when it comes to actually finding the real bugs, while charging a extortionate amount of money to allow players to become good due to a broken level system?
This is what I was getting at in my first post. Why is EvE increasing with the above points so relevant
there is a reason this game doesnt even have avatars, is old,has lag,a steep learning curve, and manages to INCREASE its playerbase. when the get the ground game in we will see what sandbox can really do.
I just wanted to say that there is a 21 day trial to play Eve using Steam. You can play it as many times as you like. You just have to create a new steam account each time. 21 days is PLENTY of time to enjoy Eve. What I do is create a special forces character with balanced attributes except for charisma. Keep that low. Do the Cashflow for Capsuleers missions to get two free ships and lots of other free goodies. Then work on getting Salvaging skill to start making serious money. After that, get a Cruiser and tractor beams. You can be in a Cruiser with salvaging within 2-3 days. Then look for a good player owned corporation to join and the fun begins. A good player corp will have you helping them do level 4 missions which is quite nice and mind blowing graphics wise. I can't even begin to describe it. And I can't stress how addicting it is to play this game for free over and over again 21 days at a time. You can call me lame or cheap or whatever. I don't care. Because I get to play one of the best space MMO sims ever created by mankind and be totally contempt with what it has to offer in the free 21 days I can play. It's an incredible game but I really don't see myself paying $15 a month for a game that I can't ghost train in considering everyone else was able to do it and will always be years ahead of me. Now if only CCP lowered the monthly price down to maybe $10 a month...hrmm.........
But anyways, CCP keeps saying that one day we'll be able to walk around inside stations. That would be nice
I'm gonna wait on Jumpgate Evolution and the NCSoft Star Trek game then decide which space MMO I wanna pay per month for...
The older pc stuff is pretty much bullshit. Fps have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with lag.
Anyways..
People seem to forget that there is no such thing like "bad publicity".
Publicity is publicity is user numbers is pcu record. Yes it is that simple.
The game is fun for quite a few people, and relatively polished as long as you don't know a lot about its structure. Even Jita is relatively lagless currently. That's the reason eve had a new record.
The Dramafests are probably a direct cause of this pcu-record.
Could you please explain me what fps have to do with server side lag?
If you get bad fps, you have to a) reduce effects b) turn off sound (like anyone has that on anyways) c) disable drone models c) get a good overview and bracket setting for travel. The Ui code scales horribadly, and hits a brickwall very soon, no matter how powerful your computer is d) fall back to classic graphics, but don't install the classic client. (use a premium client with classic graphics instead. yes, there's a difference) e) make sure to have cache relatively low if you run out of ram d) make sure hdrr is off, and shadows not set to maximum (same as ui code)
If you get server side lag:
Go somewhere else.
But you won't suddenly make server side lag go away by increasing fps, just like server side lag won't make a difference with your fps..
Lag is lag. Get that through your thick skull......................... Maybe you should back up and reread my posts?
Lag is lag, yes, but lag has nothing to do with low fps on client side.
Lag is latency issue - if you have an old PC/graphics combo that reduces your fps to a crawl, then server latency isn't affected, client side fps is affected.
Saying EVE lags because you have a crappy computer is like saying because someone due to bad driving skills crashed their BMW that germans make bad cars - not very logical.
I suggest you expand your horizon before spewing off about people and thick skulls.
The PR disasters have occured pretty much every other month since around august if memory serves me correctly 1) "Standardisation of timecodes" was what CCP called hiking the price of the game up, higher than any other mmorpg at that time, but no, they couldnt call it that. Most players over looked this however. 2)Removal of Ghost Training. One of the most appauling cases of customer service I have ever seen. Too much to go into detail here but the jist of it is: Removal of a known feature of the game, claiming it was a bug (Undenaible eveidence shows this to be a lie), leading to the game essentially costing more and becoming more unbalanced. Unfortunaly this out right lie to the customers upset the majority, who threated to quit over it, or at the least close accounts (would be intrested to see sub numbers after that date) 3)Quantaum rise being the most "empty" expansion to date, even after 2 cash hikes. 4)The starbase exploit. A massive exploit which has been in the game for years, yet was never detected and so has messed up the sandbox market, the effects will be felt for months and the market won't ever be the same again (literally) 5)CCP's back history of providing dire customer care, supplying ingame corps with ships etc Due to the price of eve and after these demonstrations of their total lack of thought towards the customers other than seeing them as cash cows, I would have expected people to have stayed away from the game at all costs. However, I would like to see the actual amount of activated subscriptions on tranquility, especially after the price hikes.
1. Times codes can now only be perchased in 60 days same retail price as games like wow for example. But people that pay using the normal payment system with a credit/debit card was not effected. Only people effected by this was the people that purchase these time codes in game using in game money, which is not a bad thing. The 60 day card costs the same as the old 90 day one which is why alot of people was unhappy but like i said it has just been brought in line with other mmo's on the market they are not longer giving away 30 more than the revials.
2. Ghost training was never an offical part of the game ok so they let this flaw slide as people seemed to like it, but this encouraged character farming and people was buying GTC's in game using in game money to do it so ccp was loosing money. Cant blame them for trying to boost there subcriptions in todays market. The page that listed Ghost training as a feacture is a community submited database, ccp should of done a better job of proof reading it i guess.
3. Agreed
4. Agreed
5. Never heard of this happening apart from that dev who well that story is old. CCP have given ships to corps in the past as part of tournament prices and giveaways (in game events cant moan about that..).
Customer care has been top notch since the day i started playing had a few problems upgrading my account using a retail key as i purchased the game in a box when they still sold it in retail shops. But they was solved within an hour of e-mailing. Had a few problems in the past due to lag and lost a few ships got them back too. If the problems you contact them with a real problems caused by faults or bugs there end they will correct things.
Again the game costs be the same now as it did when i started so not sure what price hikes you are talking about.
The older pc stuff is pretty much bullshit. Fps have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with lag.
Anyways.. People seem to forget that there is no such thing like "bad publicity". Publicity is publicity is user numbers is pcu record. Yes it is that simple. The game is fun for quite a few people, and relatively polished as long as you don't know a lot about its structure. Even Jita is relatively lagless currently. That's the reason eve had a new record. The Dramafests are probably a direct cause of this pcu-record.
Lol FPS - Frames per second if your hardware cannot keep up with the game it apears client side as lag. Its the same thing with webcams if you have a camera with low FPS tracking when u move it apears in slow motion because the camera cannot keep up, same thing apply's here im afraid.
I just wanted to say that there is a 21 day trial to play Eve using Steam. You can play it as many times as you like. You just have to create a new steam account each time. 21 days is PLENTY of time to enjoy Eve. What I do is create a special forces character with balanced attributes except for charisma. Keep that low. Do the Cashflow for Capsuleers missions to get two free ships and lots of other free goodies. Then work on getting Salvaging skill to start making serious money. After that, get a Cruiser and tractor beams. You can be in a Cruiser with salvaging within 2-3 days. Then look for a good player owned corporation to join and the fun begins. A good player corp will have you helping them do level 4 missions which is quite nice and mind blowing graphics wise. I can't even begin to describe it. And I can't stress how addicting it is to play this game for free over and over again 21 days at a time. You can call me lame or cheap or whatever. I don't care. Because I get to play one of the best space MMO sims ever created by mankind and be totally contempt with what it has to offer in the free 21 days I can play. It's an incredible game but I really don't see myself paying $15 a month for a game that I can't ghost train in considering everyone else was able to do it and will always be years ahead of me. Now if only CCP lowered the monthly price down to maybe $10 a month...hrmm......... But anyways, CCP keeps saying that one day we'll be able to walk around inside stations. That would be nice I'm gonna wait on Jumpgate Evolution and the NCSoft Star Trek game then decide which space MMO I wanna pay per month for...
LOL this is so sad.
Seriously you don't like Eve but you're willing to play the trial a hundred times?
You call eve the greatest space simulation of all time then say it isn't worth 15 bucks a month?
Then you use something as lame as ghost training as an excuse as to why you're leaching off CCPs game? News flash man with no ghost training now things are fair now players with a billion accounts have to pay for all of them to do what they used to do. Its gone and for the better.
Oh dude if you're lagging in eve its due to your crap computer playing premium graphics and not handling it well and if you're lagging in Eve, jumpgate and STO will be slideshows for you.
I think what really bothers me is that you say you join corps on a trial, waste peoples time and then start the process all over because you're too cheap to actually pay for a game. people like you are the reason corps dont take trial accounts.
Right, I take offense at being called a troll when your the one making stuff up.
My character was flawlessly made to be a fast learning character, and in no way can you be effectively 0.0 ready in under 3 months. Full Tech 2 fittings etc on useful BC's? Not possible. Simple as that.
If you want to be actually effective and not a joke in 0.0 go have a look at BoB's max damage fitting list. It is literally impossible to fly any of the good ships (recon, bship & higher) in less than a year. And thats not mentioning the prefered class of ship is in the capital range.
Unless of course youve found a bug
Plus there is no way of finding out the active eve subs. So how'd you come across the conclusion they rise?
And again, your wrong. Check websites. Eve is the most expensive for 60 day time cards, and when compared to AoC, WoW, WaR, it really isn't worth the extra cash.
And im sorry you never had an education. I'm doing a real degree and don't have time for a job, unless I want to work every hour of the day, which would leave me no time for an MMORPG...
Plus you totally skipped the point of EvE is not quality for the money your paying. It's unbalanced, dated, the fighting is skillless coming down to who has the more sp's and ships. I'd prefer to stick to better games that are actually worth the money.
Insulting people and making stuff up isn't good, nor does anyone care to hear about it. Move on to youtube where you'll be appreciated.
Ghost training being gone is UNFAIR as all the older players now have self funding alts. As alts are a necessity, then this means younger players have to pay much more. Thats fair how? And let me remind you alts are needed in eve, no two ways about it.
People like you are the one who scam players in Jita, and don't take a step into low sec, dare I say 0.0.
I've seen a lot more chatter around here about EVE simply because of it's niche sandbox gaming style, something I am personally a huge fan of. People are tired of the status quo, and they are tired of waiting for a new sandbox game to hit, so they are giving EVE a try. Let's face it, even with the occasional bad PR due to exploits or whatnot, the game is doing quite well and has a hardcore community. It's a game that does not try to cater to the WoW masses, and it makes no excuses for being a deep, difficult game. If it wasn't for the fact that you have to be a ship in this game (ambulation won't serve much purpose), you couldn't peel me away from it. I can't wait for a standard ground based MMORPG to come out that is similar to EVE. Niche market and all. The first new sandbox game to successfully duplicate EVE's recipe will have my attention for years.
The saga of ryzom is about as close to a ground based eve as you can get, very cool game, very open,
If you look, no ones actually answered the bloody question, not to mention does anyone know the active sub count? THought not, so server numbers means more trail accounts from net banners.
If your happy to play a dated game with no skill in it and just a grab for cash more blatant then any other MMORPG then go nuts, I just think its chucking money away.
Poor customer care, game being unbalanced, combat being slow, repetative and dull not worth mentioning? What is it that people nowadays look for in a game
And I think as the poll shows, my points may be entirely relevant, just not publicised enough.
The PR disasters have occured pretty much every other month since around august if memory serves me correctly 1) "Standardisation of timecodes" was what CCP called hiking the price of the game up, higher than any other mmorpg at that time, but no, they couldnt call it that. Most players over looked this however. 2)Removal of Ghost Training. One of the most appauling cases of customer service I have ever seen. Too much to go into detail here but the jist of it is: Removal of a known feature of the game, claiming it was a bug (Undenaible eveidence shows this to be a lie), leading to the game essentially costing more and becoming more unbalanced. Unfortunaly this out right lie to the customers upset the majority, who threated to quit over it, or at the least close accounts (would be intrested to see sub numbers after that date) 3)Quantaum rise being the most "empty" expansion to date, even after 2 cash hikes. 4)The starbase exploit. A massive exploit which has been in the game for years, yet was never detected and so has messed up the sandbox market, the effects will be felt for months and the market won't ever be the same again (literally) 5)CCP's back history of providing dire customer care, supplying ingame corps with ships etc Due to the price of eve and after these demonstrations of their total lack of thought towards the customers other than seeing them as cash cows, I would have expected people to have stayed away from the game at all costs. However, I would like to see the actual amount of activated subscriptions on tranquility, especially after the price hikes.
Well that is strictly your opinion, Not one of those you listed can be construed as a PR disasters, in fact some were great PR, like the starbase exploit that was found. CCP eradicated all accounts associated with it and even went back in history and tracked all use of it and then reported to the public the results of their investigation. Clearly something few MMO companies would do.
As to FPS, that is normally related to your graphics card, not your CPU. Generally most CPUs sit and wait on hard disk requests, memory requests etc. A slow CPU can be easily augmented with faster hard disks, more and faster memory to lessen swap times, and a better graphics card. The reverse is true too, a high end CPU can be constricted by have a slow hard disk, slow memory access or not enough of it, a poor graphics card, etc.
Just one weak link can bring a supposedly fast system to it's knees. So anyone relying on CPU speed to determine system speed is just stamping a clueless label on their forehead.
Your the cool kid... If you look, no ones actually answered the bloody question, not to mention does anyone know the active sub count? THought not, so server numbers means more trail accounts from net banners. If your happy to play a dated game with no skill in it and just a grab for cash more blatant then any other MMORPG then go nuts, I just think its chucking money away. Poor customer care, game being unbalanced, combat being slow, repetative and dull not worth mentioning? What is it that people nowadays look for in a game And I think as the poll shows, my points may be entirely relevant, just not publicised enough.
Just a quick note, Eve is not for anyone. Some of you want the constant handholding, easy character advancement and no risk play of games like Wow. Nothing wrong with that, games are played to enjoy. I don't criticize others playstyle.
But coming here and criticizing a game that is clearly not meant for you with comments that have zero basis in fact, clearly labels you as a troll. I don't like to use that word, but boy does it suit you.
Lieing to your customers, not once but twice isn't a disaster? Just a accidental press on the bullsh*t button lol ?
Plus the starbase exploit was well handled, if it wasnt for the fact CCP only found out via petition, with the exploit having been around for years, and having that after axing the non-exploit of ghost training seems ludicrious. More than a lot of eve players were willing to "meh" off.
But yes, the lag in eve is pretty non existant. That was something that was done well. but claiming the upgrades were part of Quatum Rise was rediculous as they were in action months before the expansion was.
Lieing to your customers, not once but twice isn't a disaster? Just a accidental press on the bullsh*t button lol ? Plus the starbase exploit was well handled, if it wasnt for the fact CCP only found out via petition, with the exploit having been around for years, and having that after axing the non-exploit of ghost training seems ludicrious. More than a lot of eve players were willing to "meh" off. But yes, the lag in eve is pretty non existant. That was something that was done well. but claiming the upgrades were part of Quatum Rise was rediculous as they were in action months before the expansion was.
I can see replying to you is a waste of time, you will make up nonexistent facts to back up any of your ridiculous insinuations. Have a great day and please go post your distorted views on another board.
Lieing to your customers, not once but twice isn't a disaster? Just a accidental press on the bullsh*t button lol ? Plus the starbase exploit was well handled, if it wasnt for the fact CCP only found out via petition, with the exploit having been around for years, and having that after axing the non-exploit of ghost training seems ludicrious. More than a lot of eve players were willing to "meh" off. But yes, the lag in eve is pretty non existant. That was something that was done well. but claiming the upgrades were part of Quatum Rise was rediculous as they were in action months before the expansion was.
I can see replying to you is a waste of time, you will make up nonexistent facts to back up any of your ridiculous insinuations. Have a great day and please go post your distorted views on another board.
Yep, Mazty is just a bitter troll, ldon't feed the troll.
EVE is awesome.
p.s. Tthere is hardly any lag in Jita, and once there are too many people, like 1500+, then you are not allowed to get in anymore and a window pops up so you can let concord tow your ship to the next system. A simple but good solution.
Quantum Rise did not have as much content as other expansions, but the Server improvements were very good ! ( After they fixed the initial patch issues )
And for the people who are bitching about EVE, they either don't play anymore or they should quit
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Right, I take offense at being called a troll when your the one making stuff up. My character was flawlessly made to be a fast learning character, and in no way can you be effectively 0.0 ready in under 3 months. Full Tech 2 fittings etc on useful BC's? Not possible. Simple as that. Nope I just checked according to Evemon a Caldari Pilot skilling up in either amarr or gallente BC's full tech2 and the training averages at around 97 days, im sorry i was off a week.
If you want to be actually effective and not a joke in 0.0 go have a look at BoB's max damage fitting list. It is literally impossible to fly any of the good ships (recon, bship & higher) in less than a year. And thats not mentioning the prefered class of ship is in the capital range. Not everyone wants to fly a Capital ship and you could fly a non-cap ship and be effective. Not Everyone gives a rats ass about what BoB thinks should be required. So to be considered to be effective we all have to meet some crazy req set by BoB? EvE could be played in so many ways that its stupid to say you need two years in eve to be effective. Unless of course youve found a bug Plus there is no way of finding out the active eve subs. So how'd you come across the conclusion they rise? Maybe its cause less people play Alts now due to the ghost training fix and the active players at any given time has risen more then 10% since then? And again, your wrong. Check websites. Eve is the most expensive for 60 day time cards, and when compared to AoC, WoW, WaR, it really isn't worth the extra cash. Nope you're wrong again, I walked into Ebgames and picked up a WoW 60 day card for 36 bucks tax included for the wife earlier this month i paid 34.95 for a 60 day Eve card. imo Eve is better then all the rest of the games you listed so it is worth the money i spend. And im sorry you never had an education. I'm doing a real degree and don't have time for a job, unless I want to work every hour of the day, which would leave me no time for an MMORPG... So because I had a parttime jobwhile I attended university to pay for hobbies and my GF I wasn;t going for a real degree? WoW.... Im happy to say im a very successful businessman with a wife and four kids,two cars and a nice home that I own outright please don't assume anything about me.
Plus you totally skipped the point of EvE is not quality for the money your paying. It's unbalanced, dated, the fighting is skillless coming down to who has the more sp's and ships. I'd prefer to stick to better games that are actually worth the money. Eve is a quality game, it's better than every game on the market currently and will even totally blow away DF since that game is going to fail (yes i checked my crystal ball on this one).
I know you're just a troll, you enjoyed EvE for a while and someone butt hurt you real bad now you go out of your way to troll anyone that likes the game. Eves 45k peak record is something to be happy about as an Eve player. you can't deal with that so you resort to trolling and bringing up crap that happend ages ago.
If you don't like EvE don't play it we wont miss you.
I've never really bought into the peak concurrent records, even though I've played EVE for years. It's an artificially created population spike for the most part. After all, I know for a fact that when the record is close everyone that has an alt account goes and logs it in to try and push the number.
I suppose one could argue that it speaks to a broader increase in sub numbers - which to a certain extent is probably true - but no other game than EVE goes as far to promote the activation and maintenance of two or more accounts to the same game either. (see the Power of 2 promotion - which was originally supposed to be a one-time-only but has come back twice more as I recall).
As such the "concurrent record" is (IMO) hopelessly muddied by the alt accounts and the general group interest in proclaiming (or being part of) a new record number. Far more telling is the overall trend - which for this particular record seems more like an anomaly at the end of the holiday season than an indication of that many more players.
From the coldfront tracker (eve.coldfront.net/status/summary) it looks more to me like the concurrent numbers have been peaking pretty consistently just over 40K over the past year - with a bump in the past month likely related to Quantum Rise releasing. To me it seems every indication is that EVE has become population stable which probably means the sub rate has plateaued for the time being.
Granted they were planning to get boxes back in stores at some point soon - and that would certainly have a marketing push if it does come to pass, so perhaps it's a temporary plateau. On the other hand, EVE is getting older - and while it is maintained and expanded better than the norm (again IMO), it will eventually reach a point where populations level off and start declining. Tough to say.
I criticise EvE for very valid points, hence the reason I was originally asking why have the numbers increased and this makes me a troll?
No, it makes me someone who disagrees with you. I have presented many good reasons for why EvE is a bad game after having experience of it, and why I am confused for the increase in numbers. All you have done is said I am wrong, without saying how, as if you’re an omniscient deity. That's not an insult, that’s how you’re coming across.
A troll is someone who goes out for a fight with no reason. I asked a question, presented my reason and why they would be a deterrent. Just saying no doesn't constitute a coherent or good reply. Pointing that out doesn't make me a troll.
So again, with all the flaws I've mentioned, why do people still play EvE after the recent months have shown that CCP are no longer focusing on producing a game of high quality, but just want revenue. Something that has shown a good reason for the increase in server population is the poll I put up, showing many people aren't aware of the flaws in the game and CCP.
Plus if you think I'm making any facts up, please point them out as I'd be happy to show where I'm coming from, and where I'm getting figure etc from.
So again, with all the flaws I've mentioned, why do people still play EvE after the recent months have shown that CCP are no longer focusing on producing a game of high quality, but just want revenue. Something that has shown a good reason for the increase in server population is the poll I put up, showing many people aren't aware of the flaws in the game and CCP.
Plus if you think I'm making any facts up, please point them out as I'd be happy to show where I'm coming from, and where I'm getting figure etc from.
I would say what you are doing is giving your opinion on subjective material. Games are a form of entertainment (aka art) and its subjective.. its not objective.
Just as with anything in the world that *I* don't like but other people do.. I wouldn't be able to really understand why they would do whatever it is.
Right down to MMO's I don't see much point in playing but have tons of subscribers.
The only factual response you are going to get...
Is that somebodies point of view is different than yours. Thus they play... since you don't share the same point of view.. how could you understand it?
If you talked to every person playing.. you will just end up in a debate about "but this is a flaw why do you play" ... "because I like the game" ... "but it has these flaws why do you play.."
I'm not trying to take any side here.. I think I'm just pointing out the... obvious.
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there is a reason this game doesnt even have avatars, is old,has lag,a steep learning curve, and manages to INCREASE its playerbase. when the get the ground game in we will see what sandbox can really do.
I just wanted to say that there is a 21 day trial to play Eve using Steam. You can play it as many times as you like. You just have to create a new steam account each time. 21 days is PLENTY of time to enjoy Eve. What I do is create a special forces character with balanced attributes except for charisma. Keep that low. Do the Cashflow for Capsuleers missions to get two free ships and lots of other free goodies. Then work on getting Salvaging skill to start making serious money. After that, get a Cruiser and tractor beams. You can be in a Cruiser with salvaging within 2-3 days. Then look for a good player owned corporation to join and the fun begins. A good player corp will have you helping them do level 4 missions which is quite nice and mind blowing graphics wise. I can't even begin to describe it. And I can't stress how addicting it is to play this game for free over and over again 21 days at a time. You can call me lame or cheap or whatever. I don't care. Because I get to play one of the best space MMO sims ever created by mankind and be totally contempt with what it has to offer in the free 21 days I can play. It's an incredible game but I really don't see myself paying $15 a month for a game that I can't ghost train in considering everyone else was able to do it and will always be years ahead of me. Now if only CCP lowered the monthly price down to maybe $10 a month...hrmm.........
But anyways, CCP keeps saying that one day we'll be able to walk around inside stations. That would be nice
I'm gonna wait on Jumpgate Evolution and the NCSoft Star Trek game then decide which space MMO I wanna pay per month for...
Oh and one more thing. The lag is pretty much non-existant. Not unless you got an older PC...
The older pc stuff is pretty much bullshit. Fps have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with lag.
Anyways..
People seem to forget that there is no such thing like "bad publicity".
Publicity is publicity is user numbers is pcu record. Yes it is that simple.
The game is fun for quite a few people, and relatively polished as long as you don't know a lot about its structure. Even Jita is relatively lagless currently. That's the reason eve had a new record.
The Dramafests are probably a direct cause of this pcu-record.
Troll much? Or are you just inexperienced with trying to use an older PC in Eve? Either way, your comment is BS...
Try using an older PC in Jita with tons of ships around. Your PC will come to a crawl and it will be difficult to do anything.
Could you please explain me what fps have to do with server side lag?
If you get bad fps, you have to
a) reduce effects
b) turn off sound (like anyone has that on anyways)
c) disable drone models
c) get a good overview and bracket setting for travel. The Ui code scales horribadly, and hits a brickwall very soon, no matter how powerful your computer is
d) fall back to classic graphics, but don't install the classic client. (use a premium client with classic graphics instead. yes, there's a difference)
e) make sure to have cache relatively low if you run out of ram
d) make sure hdrr is off, and shadows not set to maximum (same as ui code)
If you get server side lag:
Go somewhere else.
But you won't suddenly make server side lag go away by increasing fps, just like server side lag won't make a difference with your fps..
Lag is lag. Get that through your thick skull......................... Maybe you should back up and reread my posts?
Lag is lag, yes, but lag has nothing to do with low fps on client side.
Lag is latency issue - if you have an old PC/graphics combo that reduces your fps to a crawl, then server latency isn't affected, client side fps is affected.
Saying EVE lags because you have a crappy computer is like saying because someone due to bad driving skills crashed their BMW that germans make bad cars - not very logical.
I suggest you expand your horizon before spewing off about people and thick skulls.
1. Times codes can now only be perchased in 60 days same retail price as games like wow for example. But people that pay using the normal payment system with a credit/debit card was not effected. Only people effected by this was the people that purchase these time codes in game using in game money, which is not a bad thing. The 60 day card costs the same as the old 90 day one which is why alot of people was unhappy but like i said it has just been brought in line with other mmo's on the market they are not longer giving away 30 more than the revials.
2. Ghost training was never an offical part of the game ok so they let this flaw slide as people seemed to like it, but this encouraged character farming and people was buying GTC's in game using in game money to do it so ccp was loosing money. Cant blame them for trying to boost there subcriptions in todays market. The page that listed Ghost training as a feacture is a community submited database, ccp should of done a better job of proof reading it i guess.
3. Agreed
4. Agreed
5. Never heard of this happening apart from that dev who well that story is old. CCP have given ships to corps in the past as part of tournament prices and giveaways (in game events cant moan about that..).
Customer care has been top notch since the day i started playing had a few problems upgrading my account using a retail key as i purchased the game in a box when they still sold it in retail shops. But they was solved within an hour of e-mailing. Had a few problems in the past due to lag and lost a few ships got them back too. If the problems you contact them with a real problems caused by faults or bugs there end they will correct things.
Again the game costs be the same now as it did when i started so not sure what price hikes you are talking about.
Lol FPS - Frames per second if your hardware cannot keep up with the game it apears client side as lag. Its the same thing with webcams if you have a camera with low FPS tracking when u move it apears in slow motion because the camera cannot keep up, same thing apply's here im afraid.
LOL this is so sad.
Seriously you don't like Eve but you're willing to play the trial a hundred times?
You call eve the greatest space simulation of all time then say it isn't worth 15 bucks a month?
Then you use something as lame as ghost training as an excuse as to why you're leaching off CCPs game? News flash man with no ghost training now things are fair now players with a billion accounts have to pay for all of them to do what they used to do. Its gone and for the better.
Oh dude if you're lagging in eve its due to your crap computer playing premium graphics and not handling it well and if you're lagging in Eve, jumpgate and STO will be slideshows for you.
I think what really bothers me is that you say you join corps on a trial, waste peoples time and then start the process all over because you're too cheap to actually pay for a game. people like you are the reason corps dont take trial accounts.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Right, I take offense at being called a troll when your the one making stuff up.
My character was flawlessly made to be a fast learning character, and in no way can you be effectively 0.0 ready in under 3 months. Full Tech 2 fittings etc on useful BC's? Not possible. Simple as that.
If you want to be actually effective and not a joke in 0.0 go have a look at BoB's max damage fitting list. It is literally impossible to fly any of the good ships (recon, bship & higher) in less than a year. And thats not mentioning the prefered class of ship is in the capital range.
Unless of course youve found a bug
Plus there is no way of finding out the active eve subs. So how'd you come across the conclusion they rise?
And again, your wrong. Check websites. Eve is the most expensive for 60 day time cards, and when compared to AoC, WoW, WaR, it really isn't worth the extra cash.
And im sorry you never had an education. I'm doing a real degree and don't have time for a job, unless I want to work every hour of the day, which would leave me no time for an MMORPG...
Plus you totally skipped the point of EvE is not quality for the money your paying. It's unbalanced, dated, the fighting is skillless coming down to who has the more sp's and ships. I'd prefer to stick to better games that are actually worth the money.
Mazty on PSN
Hahahah, obvious troll is obvious.
No bridge here dude, move on.
Insulting people and making stuff up isn't good, nor does anyone care to hear about it. Move on to youtube where you'll be appreciated.
Ghost training being gone is UNFAIR as all the older players now have self funding alts. As alts are a necessity, then this means younger players have to pay much more. Thats fair how? And let me remind you alts are needed in eve, no two ways about it.
People like you are the one who scam players in Jita, and don't take a step into low sec, dare I say 0.0.
Mazty on PSN
The saga of ryzom is about as close to a ground based eve as you can get, very cool game, very open,
playing eq2 and two worlds
Your the cool kid...
If you look, no ones actually answered the bloody question, not to mention does anyone know the active sub count? THought not, so server numbers means more trail accounts from net banners.
If your happy to play a dated game with no skill in it and just a grab for cash more blatant then any other MMORPG then go nuts, I just think its chucking money away.
Poor customer care, game being unbalanced, combat being slow, repetative and dull not worth mentioning? What is it that people nowadays look for in a game
And I think as the poll shows, my points may be entirely relevant, just not publicised enough.
Mazty on PSN
Well that is strictly your opinion, Not one of those you listed can be construed as a PR disasters, in fact some were great PR, like the starbase exploit that was found. CCP eradicated all accounts associated with it and even went back in history and tracked all use of it and then reported to the public the results of their investigation. Clearly something few MMO companies would do.
As to FPS, that is normally related to your graphics card, not your CPU. Generally most CPUs sit and wait on hard disk requests, memory requests etc. A slow CPU can be easily augmented with faster hard disks, more and faster memory to lessen swap times, and a better graphics card. The reverse is true too, a high end CPU can be constricted by have a slow hard disk, slow memory access or not enough of it, a poor graphics card, etc.
Just one weak link can bring a supposedly fast system to it's knees. So anyone relying on CPU speed to determine system speed is just stamping a clueless label on their forehead.
Just a quick note, Eve is not for anyone. Some of you want the constant handholding, easy character advancement and no risk play of games like Wow. Nothing wrong with that, games are played to enjoy. I don't criticize others playstyle.
But coming here and criticizing a game that is clearly not meant for you with comments that have zero basis in fact, clearly labels you as a troll. I don't like to use that word, but boy does it suit you.
Lieing to your customers, not once but twice isn't a disaster? Just a accidental press on the bullsh*t button lol ?
Plus the starbase exploit was well handled, if it wasnt for the fact CCP only found out via petition, with the exploit having been around for years, and having that after axing the non-exploit of ghost training seems ludicrious. More than a lot of eve players were willing to "meh" off.
But yes, the lag in eve is pretty non existant. That was something that was done well. but claiming the upgrades were part of Quatum Rise was rediculous as they were in action months before the expansion was.
Mazty on PSN
I can see replying to you is a waste of time, you will make up nonexistent facts to back up any of your ridiculous insinuations. Have a great day and please go post your distorted views on another board.
I can see replying to you is a waste of time, you will make up nonexistent facts to back up any of your ridiculous insinuations. Have a great day and please go post your distorted views on another board.
Yep, Mazty is just a bitter troll, ldon't feed the troll.
EVE is awesome.
p.s. Tthere is hardly any lag in Jita, and once there are too many people, like 1500+, then you are not allowed to get in anymore and a window pops up so you can let concord tow your ship to the next system. A simple but good solution.
Quantum Rise did not have as much content as other expansions, but the Server improvements were very good ! ( After they fixed the initial patch issues
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And for the people who are bitching about EVE, they either don't play anymore or they should quit
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Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
I know you're just a troll, you enjoyed EvE for a while and someone butt hurt you real bad now you go out of your way to troll anyone that likes the game. Eves 45k peak record is something to be happy about as an Eve player. you can't deal with that so you resort to trolling and bringing up crap that happend ages ago.
If you don't like EvE don't play it we wont miss you.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
No, it appears as low fps.
I've never really bought into the peak concurrent records, even though I've played EVE for years. It's an artificially created population spike for the most part. After all, I know for a fact that when the record is close everyone that has an alt account goes and logs it in to try and push the number.
I suppose one could argue that it speaks to a broader increase in sub numbers - which to a certain extent is probably true - but no other game than EVE goes as far to promote the activation and maintenance of two or more accounts to the same game either. (see the Power of 2 promotion - which was originally supposed to be a one-time-only but has come back twice more as I recall).
As such the "concurrent record" is (IMO) hopelessly muddied by the alt accounts and the general group interest in proclaiming (or being part of) a new record number. Far more telling is the overall trend - which for this particular record seems more like an anomaly at the end of the holiday season than an indication of that many more players.
From the coldfront tracker (eve.coldfront.net/status/summary) it looks more to me like the concurrent numbers have been peaking pretty consistently just over 40K over the past year - with a bump in the past month likely related to Quantum Rise releasing. To me it seems every indication is that EVE has become population stable which probably means the sub rate has plateaued for the time being.
Granted they were planning to get boxes back in stores at some point soon - and that would certainly have a marketing push if it does come to pass, so perhaps it's a temporary plateau. On the other hand, EVE is getting older - and while it is maintained and expanded better than the norm (again IMO), it will eventually reach a point where populations level off and start declining. Tough to say.
I criticise EvE for very valid points, hence the reason I was originally asking why have the numbers increased and this makes me a troll?
No, it makes me someone who disagrees with you. I have presented many good reasons for why EvE is a bad game after having experience of it, and why I am confused for the increase in numbers. All you have done is said I am wrong, without saying how, as if you’re an omniscient deity. That's not an insult, that’s how you’re coming across.
A troll is someone who goes out for a fight with no reason. I asked a question, presented my reason and why they would be a deterrent. Just saying no doesn't constitute a coherent or good reply. Pointing that out doesn't make me a troll.
So again, with all the flaws I've mentioned, why do people still play EvE after the recent months have shown that CCP are no longer focusing on producing a game of high quality, but just want revenue. Something that has shown a good reason for the increase in server population is the poll I put up, showing many people aren't aware of the flaws in the game and CCP.
Plus if you think I'm making any facts up, please point them out as I'd be happy to show where I'm coming from, and where I'm getting figure etc from.
Mazty on PSN
I would say what you are doing is giving your opinion on subjective material. Games are a form of entertainment (aka art) and its subjective.. its not objective.
Just as with anything in the world that *I* don't like but other people do.. I wouldn't be able to really understand why they would do whatever it is.
Right down to MMO's I don't see much point in playing but have tons of subscribers.
The only factual response you are going to get...
Is that somebodies point of view is different than yours. Thus they play... since you don't share the same point of view.. how could you understand it?
If you talked to every person playing.. you will just end up in a debate about "but this is a flaw why do you play" ... "because I like the game" ... "but it has these flaws why do you play.."
I'm not trying to take any side here.. I think I'm just pointing out the... obvious.