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Shard101
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Tone infantry down before the game dies completely.
I hate being spawn camped in the towns after we take new spawns. The learning curve is great , I like the challenge , I just get frustrated is all as a new player.
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The post is kinda vague. What is your problem with the spawn? Do you not like the graphics becuase they lack the standalone 32 player eye candy? As for infantry I have no idea what you mean. What resolution did you run and what the specs on your machine. You can spawn in depots, in mobile spawn points in the vehicles spawns and at firebases. Since you think the game is crap the least you can do is be more specific. Perhaps you didn't join a squad and the learning curve was more difficult than need be.
No offence... But did you even read his post? Where did he even say anything about the Graphics? And he said he liked the learning curve... What he said, is he just doesn't like being spawn camped.
I think he meant the in town spawning when the enemy takes their in supply depot and the idea of all the defenders doing everything they can to take it back is the problem. The game isnt about to die, it has buried more mmo that ppl said would be its end than I can remember. Taking a depot can be easy...keeping it is hard. One EI can take a depot but 3 or 4 are not going to keep it. If keeping was not possible, then the map would never move and no one would win. I think we are on our 50 or 60th map. You still have 4 days left, I hope you joined a squad and spenf more time learning the depth of the gameplay in ww2ol.
No offence... But did you even read his post? Where did he even say anything about the Graphics? And he said he liked the learning curve... What he said, is he just doesn't like being spawn camped.
Then he should spawn somewhere else. Europe is a big place, after all..
Spawn-camping is a core feature of the game.
It's all about positioning your gun with a long-shot into VS, or hiding in a bush near AF headshotting pilots. Or a thrill of sneaking into VS with a fairy-satchel.
As somebody said, if you don't like being camped, spawn somehwere else.
P.S. I love people who complain about not being warned about VS being camped with a mission order like "Don't spawn North AB VS, it's camped."
Indeed. Except instead of "spawn camping", it's really "suppression", which is tactically very important.
People aren't camping spawns just to be an ass. They are doing it because it's important to do so.
So get your face in the dirt soldier!! Keep your head down, unless you want bullets for breakfast.
Typical bugs/bad design being sold as features. Its not a feature, its a sypmtom of a broken capture mechanic that no one likes and CRS is clueless how to fix. Why dont any other shoooters have spawn camping to the extent this game does? Its broken, when you spend hours playing and see no body then finally find a battle and its a spawn camp. And you know what? Thats the only real time its etertaining to play because theres' actually people too shoot at, well mostly tanks, but its worth dieing 1000 times trting to get out of a spawn to take a shot at an enemy you havent seen for hours. Then people complain that youre wasting supply, no im wasting my time playing this broekn game that makes no gameplay sense.
I mus be stupid for enjoying it then') Finiding a battle only takes a look at the map, mouse over town to find the units involved and ccouple of lcicks to that unit. The inability to find a fight has worn thin as a complaint. Once tanks are in your ab..you either bomb em out, get a mobile spawn point outside the ab or smoke and nade em away. Supprression is not the typical spawn camping becuase..you can spawn by other methods and other places. What signifies capture in real life...kiling or capturing all the opposition? Taking the bunker signifies the end of the ab battle. How about you coming up with a better method to signify a change of control of a town.
Hardcase, you MUST be... cause mus aint dont sound right.
Sorry cant help but make fun of your LACK of spelling there.... its not just one word but alot of words. Does the Memphis TN school system fail that bad?
And 80% of the players... or I should say 80% of the AXIS players dont care for it, cause we cant spawn a Churchill mk 7 and drive out of a camped AB with 4 Tigers and 12 Panzer IVGs in it. And kill all of them and it only costs you a pair of tracks. Or spawn a Grenadier and use its UBER AT grenade and kill 75% of the german tanks in the game with a single shot. Oh yea... fun.... kinda like slamming your nuts in a door when you play axis in a camped AB.
So much crap, so little quality.
Right, because it never works that way when an Allied AB is camped, right?
The game isn't for everybody, clearly. If your spawn is being camped, then you spawn somewhere else. You reform with your unit at the FB or at an MSP or at an airfield and you come back together, with a plan. This isn't Unreal Tournament you know. Part of this game is about making good, sound tactical choices. Respawning over and over into a camped spawn point is not necessarily a good tactical choice.
You know what happens when im told to go spawn somewhere else, I do , and theres nothing there so I log off. This happens 99% of the time, theres never much going on and if there is its all concentrated in one place, there isnt any otehr place to go, unless you wanna wait around starting at ugly bushes for 2 hours before a single rifleman shows up to hump a radio for 2 minutes while you keep respawning next to the flag jumping out the window and kill him and his buddies every 10 seconds. No wonder camps are the norm, the game is designed so that theres no other way to accomplish anything. Its impossible to take any ground because you got a defender who can spawn on top of you every 10 seconds with a tank factory next door and kill you while you try to stand still for 2 full minutes without shooting. This camping is by design and it sucks anyone who likes it is a retard and anyone who designes it is a fool.
Must be the degree in Physics that causes my lack of spelling. I usually am writing responses with no contacts in and having just awakened so I actually don't see what I am typing and type by touch.
Degree in Physics? Guess you never had a typing class? Home keys are F, and J. They often have little bumps on them for you to feel. Dont have to look at a keyboard to type 80WPM.
Degree... nice E-Peni try.
So much crap, so little quality.
You know, it seems your signature conveys your basic truth. Here I was thinking it was a small jibe and I find out you are an anal retentive spell checker. Perhaps I can hire you to read my stuff , BTW my E=Penis is growing since I have begun my EE major this week. I suspect you have lost some penis length here with others,you surely have done so with me.
Its sad that I dont really care.
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So much crap, so little quality.
Hi im playing the game myself.
You should try not to spawn depos in town, go for the attack mobile spawn (MS)
It is hard to tell if a man is telling the truth when you know you would lie if you were in his place
The sum of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles triangle is
equal to the square root of the remaining side.
I very rarely see anyone put information in the mission orders like that.
I've played a lot and I think that spawn camping detracts from the gameplay.
They should make it so the spawn bldgs can't be armor pierced and decimated to hell so at least people have a chance to leave. Something like 5 seconds of invul that is negated by firing a shot would be a possible fix. A spawn spot (where you teleport into existence like Star Trek) is just a mechanism to represent the movement of troops who are supposed to already be present in the area. Even though a lot of unemployed people can spend 80 hours a week in-game, hanging out on guard in real time is not a realistic expectation... so we are forced to resort to spawning.
Letting people actually move out of the spawn would be a great way to make the battles more dynamic and interesting. I guarantee the battles would be more fun if it wasn't a part of the game. I guess the thrill and realism of parking 20 tanks point blank and firing into an infantry spawn is better. It's not like the game has thousands of people online at once, either, so spawn camping just makes the experience retarded at times. It isn't like you have a laundry list of options. Who wants to pay 15 bucks when there's quite often next to nothing to do on the server?
I understand what people are saying who think its a decent "feature", I just respectfully disagree. The bottom line is that the current approach to the game isn't bringing in new players and keeping them interested. This game is more than capable of doing that with a little extra thinking injected into the process. It's a great game in so many ways.
No, I do not spawn into a place that is camped. If I am told it's camped, I bail the spot. Usually that means logging out since there's never more than a handful (or less) points of conflict in the entire game. I love ww2 but I just cancelled. I've been playing off and on since 2001. I'll check back at a future date.
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Sorry to see you go for a bit man. Thanks for letting me try the 2 month deal a while back, I am about 20 days into it and loving it, rank 5 now. Seen you a few times on the battlefield but was always in the middle of something or other so couldnt send a /tell to say hi.
Battles in Battleground Europe are not instant campfest's. shure some people are able to run tanks into an AB and camp the spawns before your side can react to the attack, but those initial camps never ever survive. it takes hours,sometimes all day of constant streaming of infantry and tanks into a town before the enemy becomes atritted and enough depo's are taken to achieve the point of camping the AB spawns. at that point you cant even call it a victory. too many times have i seen a town that was all but lost,down to the AB and totally camped,only to see a wave of enemy tanks come in from a rear town,or a flood of paratroops carpet the town,or even massed bomber assaults break the back of an attack and save a town.
make no mistake my friends, Battleground Europe is the closest thing to a real war you will find anywhere on the internet,right down to bitter hatred of the enemy (go look at our forums and youll see what i mean). Battleground Europe is the only place anywhere in gaming where the overall morale of the playerbase has a direct effect on the war.
just like you would expect to find in a real war, nothing is written in stone in Battleground europe. you could assault a town with all the tanks in the world,with 100's of infantry players, battle hard for hours and watch all those assets die horribly and you barley hold 1 depo for a few minutes.
shure, every major battle where the attackers achieve victory,ends in a spawn camp. but its not like the battle started and stayed that way, that campfest is almost always preceded by a long intense battle. the campest is earned.it signalls the battle is almost over and victory is iminent.
i saw the vision that is WWII Online back in june 2001, i have seen every incarnation, i am and always have been a hardcore RAF bomber pilot (some dabbling in fighters,but im not that good).
every other game out there, from call of duty to eve or whatever is popular, will always be nothing more than cute eyecatching training camp. Battleground Europe is the only true virtual War.
Allied players are thrilled at their easymode. Play axis side, you pay to play a target.
lol, that falls under the "bitter hatred of the enemy" part. the whole "yours is uber,mine is nerfed" and " all the players are on your side" argument. allied players hate german players, and vise versa. other games see this to some extent, but not near as bad as Battleground Europe. it takes a REAL WAR to have this level of animosity.
p.s. our easy mode rides didnt stop the germans from opening a BIG can of woopass friday. that was one of the biggest breakouts ive seen yet ingame. moved 1/4 of the way across the map in 2 days. excellent job on the axis part.
The best fix is to have another form of capping that doesn't require humping a table that is 5 feet away from a spawn and thus involve spawn camping.
Putting a cap zone right beside a spawn, especially with BE type of lag (kamakazi nade runs, warping), makes capping a royal pain. Even if you are basically dominating a fight. Thus you get the long campings to grind down the supplies. The design was either a game engine limitation, or the worst design decision ever made. Moving the cap zone away from the spawn would help, changing the cap system and removing ABs (come on, 'forts' in a WWII 'sim') would be best.
Hard to avoid camping situations when battles consist of 10% of the time pushing into town (start of battle) and 90% camping until supplies are done. And if the camp isn't setup fairly early and the battle stays outside, the AO gets pulled to stop 'wasting supplies'. So with what seems to be max two large battles going at one time, most likely it will be a camping situation. Why air and AAA are popular, can avoid that same old same old.
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One problem with the bitter hatered of the sides, when you play you end up with whining spam on comms complaining about how CRS nerfed us and is pro them drowning out what little real comms there is left.
yea, we tossed around the idea of zone controll for a capture method before. people liked the idea,including me, but CRS stonewalled us and refused to give an opinion. so we stilll have table humping today.