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Player vs Pally (PvP-arena)
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There was a thread on the official forums, but i seem to have lost it, but i'll try to paraphrase what was posted there.
http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/2v2/
8 out of 10 top teams in 2v2 have pallies, and 6 out of 10 have DKs.
http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/3v3/
8 out of 10 top teams in 3v3 have pallies, and 7 out of 10 have DKs.
Does anyone else see this as a problem? Will Blizzard do anything about it or is it out of their hands to balance pvp in arenas?
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In that top 100 list of 2 vs 2 I see ALL classes represented.
That's top 100 of the world (11.5 million players !!!!). Of course with 2vs2 you see other classes shine more than in 3 vs 3 or 5vs5.
You already see more diversity with 3vs3 and even more so with 5vs5.
http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/3v3/
But this is the absolute world top and you see every class represented EVEN in 2 combo teams.
Since every class is there in the Arena 2200 range, the game has FAR more balance than any other MMORPG class wise.
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All these guys, playing whatever class will get a superior gladiotor title (LESS than 0.5% of PvP players) AND awarded unique gear (remember less than 0.5%). The arena system is based on 2vs2, 3vs3 and 5vs5. So pick up what you think you're best at....
The arena balance is a beautiful system, because it just proves by pure stats that ANY class can get to the TOP-100 in the world and get the very very rare titles.
If you don't like arena, it even has the advantage that YOU know playing BG's or open world PvP is based on a system where AT LEAST some balance techniques are monitored through the system.
No other MMO comes even close in these scientific number crunching models. Or do you want to speak about "massive group based balance" which is a lame excuse for not having ANY balance in classes. You know the kind of messy things where NO numbers or stats are used in controlled models.
I honestly feel that the arenas are unbalanced. Oh and for the 2nd poster - where did you get the 11mil figure - according to wowcensus.com the number should be for all pvp and pve servers US and EU the total number of players - not including lvl 1-9 is 7,932,707 - can't really include lvls 1-9 since those tend to be peoples' alt banks or just jobs they gave up on.
Anyway...as I was saying about arena - I feel they're unbalanced ever since WotLK came out - you should really only consider the top 10 or 20 - top 100 is just too easy to say all are represented how could they not be out of 100 teams? - look at the most often combined classes to see which ones dominate - 2v2 top 20 is 9 pally/dk of those in the top 5 - 4 are pally/dk....now take 3v3 top 20 have 11 pally/dk w/ another class while in the top 5 there are 2 w/ pally/dk. Its unbalanced because you don't see enough of the other classes represented in the top 10/20 - especially on 2v2. Everyone knows right now that pally is untouchable with bubble up - which they should have nerfed long ago - I can stun you, smack the crap out of you, wear plate, bubble and heal all up from almost dead - it doesn't make any sense why this job hasn't been nerfed long ago. DK now - what doesn't need to be nerfed on this job? You can argue til you're blue in the face, but this class has too many hard hitting moves w/ very little down time - if any at all. They can be immune to fears and stuns which is some classes only way of fighting/surviving. Play some BGs and arenas and see if you don't get frustrated going up against these two classes. The only people who tend to argue that these two classes aren't overpowered - play them and don't want them nerfed. Supposedly Blizz is nerfing the bubble, but as far as I know they're buffing up Dk....we'll see with the next patch though. Until then all I recommend is boycotting arenas and bgs until something is done to make things a little more middle ground. I have no problem getting killed by other classes, but being a lvl 78 getting killed by a 70/71 is unacceptable - and no I don't suck at pvp as some will say - I have no problems killing 78/79s but for some reason pallys/dks even 8 lvls lower than me can eat my lunch.
Iam sorry but if you die to any class 8 lvls lower then you.. you do suck.. its just that simple.. no other reason needed.
I really dont see the problem with DK's i have no real problem killing them like most people.. Maybe if you understood how to beat them rather then face rolling your keyboard you would have less to cry about.
But hey the wow community is full of people that would rather whine.bitch, and moan then adapt their playstyle to the changes.
If you are getting killed by players 8 levels below you then there is some serious L2P issues with you.
You can't reason with Fanbois they are not like us just quit playing WoW it will never get better. DF and a few others are out even Guild Wars if you want class balance. WoW is a barren desert for PvP with gross class imbalances that will only get worse as long as Kalgan is anywhere near the game. Just come to Darkfall with the rest of us, it won't be as bad as the WoW fanclub makes it out to be, sure there is full loot but as with any full pvp game in general if you don't mess with them they wont mess with you, sure there are a few hardcore reds out there but that just makes it more fun, personally I started out as a crafter mule since thats what interested me in mmorpgs in the first place was economy building and becoming wealthy, then I got into pvp on UO and it is really not that bas as soon as you let go of your fear of loosing gear, just do like on WoW and have a gear crafter for your chosen spec, you wil rarely have to change out that much. I know how it is I played WoW I still got friends there but it is just not the place for good pvp, there are korean grinders with better PvP than wow.
I'm showing which class is the MOST represented, and this is because of IMBALANCE.
But let's count the top 100 anyway. -> Around 62 pallies out of 100 in 2v2.
My point is...why play anything other than a pally in Arena, especially if you know you can't win against an imbalanced system that favors one class over another. I'm not even going to count all the DK's either.
I take it people don't like the pally bubble heal combo?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
I agree with OP, anyone that plays WoW high end knows this to be true, but unfortunately I doubt that anything will ever be done to change this situation as it has been going on for as many arena seasons there is... the tendency to pvp with the characters that are currently "OP"/the OP combos is clearly a sign of unbalance between classes but with each update it only translates to whats the next class to be OP and not directly addressing the issue as people repeteadly chant that it isnt a problem, class balance that is.
You can flame me all you want for being ganked by these lvl players - its not just me it happens with and I DON'T need to L2P - I have no problems, as I said, with lvl 78/79 classes.
Also, I didn't say I got ganked by ALL lvl 70/71 - I meant I get ganked by the pally/dk classes. Most times I get stunned and then I'm just a sitting duck - what's sad is I can survive against a same lvl rogue but for some reason I can't against pally/dk - that's what I was posting about - these two jobs and the fact that they dominate pvp. Oh and it doesn't help that Blizz has yet to fix the glitch regarding pally bubble - locks' Chaos Bolt doesn't penetrate their bubble EVENTHOUGH it states nothing can prevent the damage it deals. GMs say they're working on this issue but I have yet to see it fixed.
There's too many glitches in the game right now for it to honestly be fair but apparently they're nerfing the DK fear so that might help even out the playing field and supposedly they're nerfing the bubble too. If this helps only time will tell - I only hope that it does.
I agree w/ Eruiel - people continue to roll these classes purely to try and benefit from them being currently OP'd - those of us who choose to roll others ones apparently suffer the consequences while Blizz ignores the situation - well, until people stop playing or participating in the BGs/arenas. And most people stating its not a problem - tend to have those classes as their mains for the time being and fear the nerf because it might take away their advantage.
I totally agree with you. Pallys and DKs are dominating - hopefully after this next patch we'll see a change in the balance.