Everquest 2 for me. Nothing against WOW but EQ2 just wins in every important category to me, graphics, sound(every NPC talks, wow!), awesome world to discover, awesome selections of races/classes, epic PvE encounters. WOW has PvP, yippee, I prefer PvE.
Oh and Lineage 2 has some great graphics overall but EQ2's is better, not to mention that L2's character models are extremely limited, EQ2 puts the smack down on L2 when it comes to that.
Originally posted by newbinator Everquest 2 for me. Nothing against WOW but EQ2 just wins in every important category to me, graphics, sound(every NPC talks, wow!), awesome world to discover, awesome selections of races/classes, epic PvE encounters. WOW has PvP, yippee, I prefer PvE. Oh and Lineage 2 has some great graphics overall but EQ2's is better, not to mention that L2's character models are extremely limited, EQ2 puts the smack down on L2 when it comes to that.
Seems to me that you're going to play EQ2 for its graphics. Have fun in that. Care to share these "epic PvE" encounters you expierenced? Ive been in the closed EQ2 beta for over a month so dont give me any hoopla, Ive actually have a few characters past 20, you?
Race/Class combos dont make a good game, look at FFXI for example. Yes the sound itself does rock, but the voiceovers are fluff, not to mention most of the voice overs are redone with the same voices over and over. Almost all Dwarfs talk the same (The thick scottish like accent) and female humans use the same 2 voices, same barbarian female voice on every barbarian female NPC.
Looking at pictures of lady vox in permafrost doesnt make this game the "pve epic encounter to end all encounters".
By the looks of it you should be playing EQ1 if what you want is described above.
Originally posted by newbinator Everquest 2 for me. Nothing against WOW but EQ2 just wins in every important category to me, graphics, sound(every NPC talks, wow!), awesome world to discover, awesome selections of races/classes, epic PvE encounters. WOW has PvP, yippee, I prefer PvE. Oh and Lineage 2 has some great graphics overall but EQ2's is better, not to mention that L2's character models are extremely limited, EQ2 puts the smack down on L2 when it comes to that.
Seems to me that you're going to play EQ2 for its graphics. Have fun in that. Care to share these "epic PvE" encounters you expierenced? Ive been in the closed EQ2 beta for over a month so dont give me any hoopla, Ive actually have a few characters past 20, you?
With me being in quite a few PvE EQ2 adventures, I would say I have had quite a few epic adventures. I have 4 characters all past level 20. There's more to EQ2 than just graphics.
Race/Class combos dont make a good game, look at FFXI for example. Yes the sound itself does rock, but the voiceovers are fluff, not to mention most of the voice overs are redone with the same voices over and over. Almost all Dwarfs talk the same (The thick scottish like accent) and female humans use the same 2 voices, same barbarian female voice on every barbarian female NPC.
Hmm. I don't think EQ2 is the only one who uses a scottish accent for dwarves. Correct me if Im wrong, but virtually every single game that has a dwarf talking has a somewhat scottish accent. Including the movies. WoW has it the same way as well. Also, I counted more than 2 voice differences in the female humans. Same with the barbarians.
Looking at pictures of lady vox in permafrost doesnt make this game the "pve epic encounter to end all encounters".
Actually, Vox isn't the Number one PvE epic encounter to end all encounters in EQ2. There are a lot more.
By the looks of it you should be playing EQ1 if what you want is described above.
His post makes sense to me. He likes PvE so EQ2 should be a good tie for him. No need to be upset because he likes something you do not and vice versa
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Im die hard EQ2, but EQ2 better be one hell of a game. I'm playing the free Guild Wards weekend and I really like the emphasis on FUN. The graphics are phenomenal and its FUN AS HELL! EQ2 you better do something to make us happy, cuz your not the only game in town. WoW is gonna be full of fanboi greifers, not into that
Also, I played the stress test for a little over a week and it was the most fun i've had in an MMO. The first MMO where i didn't have to camp a spot for mobs. I was always on my feet running from one place to another, because there was always something to be done. And getting 100 people to go raid a Night Elf city or whatnot is a blast.
"The Crimes of the Servers are No Servers ONline and BLIZZARD KNOWS this! We play to beta test to WOW play the game that we Tested... FOR THEM!! Why then to the Devs give us excuses for the Servers of Delays on their DElays. CRIMES! I'm a Elf and need levels because I couldn't Play THURsday. I couldn't play FIRDAY either because Ther servers DOWN and Today's Friday!" - Catavari
WoW im afraid might turn into another DAoC where u reach max lvl and theres nothing to do but rvr. Blizzard is a great company and im sure will have things to keep it exciting.
EQ2 on the other hand has 100 lvls and lvling is not as fast and also sony has learned alot from there past mistakes to make the game more enjoyable.
Im going to play both.....and sacrafice another case of beer a month..
Ive evaluated both. For me, WoW. I am comfortable with my decision based on my learnings to date as someone who has been following both and has been in beta of both.
WoW is a very nice improvement over it's predecessors and seems to do everything a little bit bit better. . .so even a little bit better is a better investment for my dollar.
=Graphics WoW because the graphics are clean, simple, not overly complex, they render wonderfully and dont require a huge investment in processing or memory which allows for smoother game-play. Anyone choosing very high-end graphics is making the wrong decisions about why one game should be preferred over another. I think that 70% of the EQII community will not be able to take advantage of anything more than the lowest graphics setting, and at that level the graphics detail are not pleasant at all very grainy and unpolished not to mention that the claymation style graphics dont appeal to me.
=Immersion WoW because the storyline and quests lead to rewarding outcomes and can be intertwined with other stories and quests. In addition, PvP has purpose and the game-play is designed with PvE and PvP in mind, though it should carry more weight in terms of forcing people into player interactivity, but the direction is great. EQ have never been design with breadth and depth of balanced PvE and anything relating to meaningful role or game-play immersive PvP. EQ1 and 2 are just not, absolutely not PvP friendly games. . .it is an abysmal afterthought with EQ1 and EQ2. The WoW PvP incorporation enhances the short-term and long-term game experience. . .it adds a great sense of suspense and unexpectedness that is dynamic, rather than linear as youll find with the EQ PvE model of game-play. I dont think there is an end-game with WoW, it is open-ended which means there is more to do and accomplish as you progress through the story, quests, etc.
=Quests WoW allows for quest accomplishment with a nice blend of difficulty, ease of use, types, reward, adventuring, exploration and game-play immersion and story telling. Both games will have many npcs that when engaged provide different quests, but seems like WoW makes the process less labor and downtime intensive minimizing the amount of time spent in-game searching over a very long period of time for a particular npc, site, location, etc. WoW is more questing friendly, not too simple by any means, just less labor intensive and a better use of my game-play with less aimlessly running around time. EQII gives the impression and Id be concerned that it would be a much more laborious and confusing questing system with little to no descriptiveness of how you should accomplish your task, where the task needs to be accomplished, leading to too much wasted in-game time yelling for help and traveling in a completely different direction than that which should be taken. Though If your interested in quantity over quality, then EQII may be the choice. But WoW seems to have the better balance of quantity and quality.
=Environment WoW seems to be a much less crowded and adventuring friendly environment that invites players to explore without feeling like a rat caught in a maze. EQII seems to be very claustrophobic. . .the cities, and wilderness environments seem very confining and because of that, not very fun to get around in or explore.
=General game-play: WoW has great game-play range for both harder-core and casual players. It is a very intuitive game to get a grasp of and play easily. WoW seems like down-time between encounters is minimized by not having to spend a quarter of your game-play time resting to regenerate stamina or mana or fear of getting continuously pinned in by non-escapable gauntlet of mobs. The WoW adventuring fear factor is there, but it is manageable. With EQII, I have gotten the impression that youd need an army of players to help keep you safe from the mobs in order to make it to the simplest destination safely.
With WoW, seems like though all mmorpgs have a healthy degree of mob bashing in order to advance, the WoW game-play environment and style of game-play will probably take much more of the sting out of the tread-millish feeling with their perceived more friendly questing system and less down-time game-play style. If you want to stick with the tedious game-play that EQ really hasn't deviated from but to add to the emphasis on PvE and mostly mind-numbing mob bashing, imho, then WoW is not for you.
Recovering after getting killed by a mob or another player is very friendly. .you port to a grave-yard and have the option of ressing on the spot for a minor experience hit (which can be gotten back) or running for your corpse without a minor experience hit. . .in both situations, gear is not lost. That fact contributes greatly to the replayability of WoW.
Originally posted by Dhampir WoW im afraid might turn into another DAoC where u reach max lvl and theres nothing to do but rvr. Blizzard is a great company and im sure will have things to keep it exciting. EQ2 on the other hand has 100 lvls and lvling is not as fast and also sony has learned alot from there past mistakes to make the game more enjoyable. Im going to play both.....and sacrafice another case of beer a month..
I could've sworn Everquest 2 had only 50 levels, which is less than WoW. Everquest 2 is also rumored to not have as much content ATM as WoW and after playing Everquest 2 for about two hours at a friends house, it's way too buggy and laggy to be released even before Christmas and they're trying to release it as early as possible, which shows that SOE did not learn form their mistakes. Plus EQ2 has a horrible interface.
I can't speak about EQ2 but I can tell you why I will NOT be buying WoW anytime soon.
1) There is no need to group up because you can solo easily to 60 np.
2) Leveling is way too easy, so its hard to weed out the bad players from the good ones even at 60th level. Blizzard's excuse to the easy progression in the game is they want players to basically forgo the slow leveling so players can just do the high end game. This just sounds to me more like a console game then a serious MMORPG. Why not just give players level up options, if they are using that crazy excuse. To me the slow and hard progression is how you weed out the kiddies and over-all bad players from the pack.
Also if you breeze through levels, are you really learning your class role and how to play him effectively in a group or raid? The hard knocks you learn in the early game really does help you out later on in your class career. Nothing beats the hard knock experiences of leveling up and learning from your mistakes. How can you learn if the game is so dubmed down that even a clueless player can be an over-achiever.
3) Where are the Hero classes?!
4) Spec your class one way, out of the norm, and you are an outcast. Forget about getting in a group if you decided to be a shapeshifting druid.
5) Where is the High level Raid content? Once you level to 60th level in record time, there isn't much to do. But it's just beta I guess so I can forgive here MAYBE. It is is just weeks away from going live.
6) Itemization is so bad its sad. If you are a robe caster, forget about getting anytime but mana. Want to look uber with new loot, hmm can forget that too. The low polygon count hurts here now, but people want no lag and no zoning so they have to pay up somehow.
7) Even though the graphics are ok, it feels like I am in some cartoon after a while. I am adult and my taste are a bit more seasoned since when I was a teenager.
Originally posted by scottns [quote]Originally posted by vash85 [b]EQII, because I'm having a lot of fun playing it than WoW. WoW is getting way too much hype. [/quote] I'd say EQ2 is getting more hype. I've had a double fold out super glossy add in Computer Gaming World for the past 3 issue for EQ2.
WoW finally had an add in this past issue. (a couple pages from the EQ2 add)
I think he means the hype from players over commercial advertisements. Of course with the deep pockets of Sony will out do Blizzard any day or dare I say any other Gaming company out there.
I remember the great hype City of Heros had as well. Great game at first, fast pace, easy to play, then a few months go by and people are bored to tears with it now.
Originally posted by Buggass Both are very simple i like each of em but i would have to go with eq2 and actually the eq2 beta was the first eq i played but im buying neather beacouse i have 2 mmos to keep up with all ready
Simple? The frickin combat wheel in EQ2 was the most confusing thing ever, especially since there was no real tutorial or directions on how to use it.
Anyway, I'm definately getting WoW over EQ2. EQ2 is being totally rushed and definately isn't ready for launch while WoW, though it will also be launched with some mixing features and content, is a lot more ready, a lot more unique, and ultimately it was a lot more fun for me.
How strange calling a EQ-clone, unique. Sorry could not help and seeing the irony in that heh.
Originally posted by newbinator Everquest 2 for me. Nothing against WOW but EQ2 just wins in every important category to me, graphics, sound(every NPC talks, wow!), awesome world to discover, awesome selections of races/classes, epic PvE encounters. WOW has PvP, yippee, I prefer PvE. Oh and Lineage 2 has some great graphics overall but EQ2's is better, not to mention that L2's character models are extremely limited, EQ2 puts the smack down on L2 when it comes to that.
Seems to me that you're going to play EQ2 for its graphics. Have fun in that. Care to share these "epic PvE" encounters you expierenced? Ive been in the closed EQ2 beta for over a month so dont give me any hoopla, Ive actually have a few characters past 20, you?
Race/Class combos dont make a good game, look at FFXI for example. Yes the sound itself does rock, but the voiceovers are fluff, not to mention most of the voice overs are redone with the same voices over and over. Almost all Dwarfs talk the same (The thick scottish like accent) and female humans use the same 2 voices, same barbarian female voice on every barbarian female NPC.
Looking at pictures of lady vox in permafrost doesnt make this game the "pve epic encounter to end all encounters".
By the looks of it you should be playing EQ1 if what you want is described above.
You act like getting 20th level is this big accomplishment. Epic battles are for the very high end content have you done that? Also you think the devs are going to stop there? No with Sony's deep deep pockets they will be adding expansions likes crack to the addicts.
Atm EQ2 can at least boast it has some high end raid content, can WoW do the same?
Originally posted by BarryManilow I can't speak about EQ2 but I can tell you why I will NOT be buying WoW anytime soon.
1) There is no need to group up because you can solo easily to 60 np. There is no need to group but to beable to finsih most of the Instance quests and fully explore the game you need to group. Blizzard have many areas with Elite mob's that are tough as hell to take down solo. To beable to complete these solo is virtually impossible. You'd be missing 50% of the game aswell as some of the best items avilable as quest rewards and drops. 2) Leveling is way too easy, so its hard to weed out the bad players from the good ones even at 60th level. Blizzard's excuse to the easy progression in the game is they want players to basically forgo the slow leveling so players can just do the high end game. This just sounds to me more like a console game then a serious MMORPG. Why not just give players level up options, if they are using that crazy excuse. To me the slow and hard progression is how you weed out the kiddies and over-all bad players from the pack. Also if you breeze through levels, are you really learning your class role and how to play him effectively in a group or raid? The hard knocks you learn in the early game really does help you out later on in your class career. Nothing beats the hard knock experiences of leveling up and learning from your mistakes. How can you learn if the game is so dubmed down that even a clueless player can be an over-achiever. Leveling is not a "grind" but is also not easy. Your required to know your class to beable to XP at high level in groups. You certainly do not breeze through levels at all, what is nice is that your having fun XPing, questing and Exploring with friends and suddenly you find the ding animation go off and its a nice surprise! Instead of the covered XP bare Mob grinding of DAoC or EQ. 3) Where are the Hero classes?! There is alot of info on Blizzards site and they have stated on many times they are just finalising details. If its as good as the Talents system we will see further levels of personalised choice for each class. 4) Spec your class one way, out of the norm, and you are an outcast. Forget about getting in a group if you decided to be a shapeshifting druid. I have a lvl 58 druid and I think you should read the druid forum before you comment. I have played a druid as healer, damage add and also tank. The acceptance of druids abilities is increasing and i'm often asked to tank for my groups... I have never had any problems getting a group. 5) Where is the High level Raid content? Once you level to 60th level in record time, there isn't much to do. But it's just beta I guess so I can forgive here MAYBE. It is is just weeks away from going live. There is a huge amount of unreleased content under development. Read any of the Senior Developers posts for alot of info. There will be world events, regional events and raids and all sorts of raids. The game is still in Beta.... and they are at least working to release a complete game... unlike EQ2 wich is very much missing high end content IMHO. 6) Itemization is so bad its sad. If you are a robe caster, forget about getting anytime but mana. Want to look uber with new loot, hmm can forget that too. The low polygon count hurts here now, but people want no lag and no zoning so they have to pay up somehow. Yes, cloth is very Intelligence heavy at the moment and only 2 days ago this was covered by the dev team who said they are working to change this. Have you played this game... each peice of armour has a very different look... some of the epic items design is just amazing. Every new peice of kit i get has great detail on it and I often stop to take a close up view of my Toon to see the new look. I'd be very interested in how you think this is so? 7) Even though the graphics are ok, it feels like I am in some cartoon after a while. I am adult and my taste are a bit more seasoned since when I was a teenager. After the new set of unpdates to the GFX engine this game is very immersive. It has a huge visiual distance, and though colourful and cartoonie in some aspects its one of the best and most detailed games i've every played. EQ tries hard to beat it but just fails due to not really pulling the "realism" attempt off.
If anyone came here hoping to make a desicion about which of the two games to invest time and money in they'de turn their brain inside out.
Pretty interesting from a discussion point of view though.
I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to get into the EQ2 beta. I'll admit I was pretty astonished by the graphics. Although the amount of graphic options is bewildering I managed to get it to run with a pretty high frame rate on my mid/high level machine. Now I played EQ for a while and I played the EQ2 beta for about two weeks, so my opinion might now be that well founded. But it seemed to me that SOE have taken no risks at all and gone with the same old formula. Of course that makes sense commercially, nobody can argue about EQ's commercial success, but it would have been nice to see SOE with all their muscle to break down the barriers just like they did with the original and produce something that would have got me excited. I'm afraid it just doesn't do it for me.
While WoW might not be pushing back the frontiers of MMORPG gameplay it seems to me, and I haven't had the opportunity to play it so my opinion is pretty much based on 3rd party reports, that Blizzard have taken the current formula and freshened it up. I love the cartoon style although I can see why some people might not find it so attractive, I'm no spring chicken and I think I might be having a second childhood.
I guess my money goes on WoW then. If it can restore my flagging enthusiam for MMORPGs then it will be a great game indeed. I think SOE have taken to much for granted with EQ2. The game WILL be a success without my support. Whether it deserves to be is another matter.
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Well, I think it's important to mention that your question regarding any comparisons of the two games would only be fair if:
1 - You have a PC that's capable of running both games at their respective maximum graphical settings. That way, the graphics that are posted on their websites, and what you seem to be referring to, would actually match what you will see on your machine.
2 - You have the money to upgrade your machine (which you apparently do not, if you are as cash-strapped as you sound) in order to fulfill #1.
My rig is not powerful enough to run EQ2 at the settings that would be required to make it look as good as their media posts, but it is more than sufficient to run WoW.
My money is on WoW. Played it, loved it. As far as the concerns regarding leveling too quickly, I will not fall into that category. I don't have the amount of time that those people did. If you can level that quickly, then you're a power-leveler. If you are such a person, then there is a game made for you, but I don't know of it.
Every game will eventually run out of content if you are a power-leveler, unless they introduce so many expansions that only the absolute fanatics can explore everything in the period of time between expansions.
Originally posted by LuRavi World of Warcraft turns me off when I hear people reaching max levels so fast, it plays very smoothly but it was almost too easy no real struggle. I honestly haven't learned the PvP of WoW and ultimately as you'll read I need a MMORPG with at least the chance of PvP. I fear WoW will be no real investment or feel I won't impact the playfield. The newbie area well I felt like I was there alone I saw others but there was no need to be with others, so it felt like a single player game no one to talk with, why was I there again? I have played WoW for about 3 hours in closed beta. Everquest II, has no PvP...suddenly if I have no fear for my life in any form well how do I get an excited rise from any risk? So I'm drawn to its graphics more than WoW, my computer isn't top notch so I'll love it but wonder what it plays like on a top notch rig. So if its just like EQ is but the next level with more pretty advances, can it hold my interest I do not know, the original EQ failed 3 times, but I can say that my roommate plays it to this day and his playing hasn't dragged me to play it. I have not played EQ II beta. So I am struggling, I fear neither of these two giants on a grand scale will win me.
I just keep thinking of those people who can get their chars to 65 in about a week playing EQ when you say that. If you want to level asap then there is little a company can do to slow you down without ruining it for others.. so WoW said 'hey, were casual.' Boom. Problem sloved.
Want to ruin your WoW experience? Do it fast and hard... want to enjoy it? take your time....
Hardcore levelers need not apply.
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Really hate these threads anymore. I like WoW. You don't? good. Go away. I should expect the same from an EQ2 player....
No way to defend an unfinished game....
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
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Oh and Lineage 2 has some great graphics overall but EQ2's is better, not to mention that L2's character models are extremely limited, EQ2 puts the smack down on L2 when it comes to that.
Seems to me that you're going to play EQ2 for its graphics. Have fun in that. Care to share these "epic PvE" encounters you expierenced? Ive been in the closed EQ2 beta for over a month so dont give me any hoopla, Ive actually have a few characters past 20, you?
Race/Class combos dont make a good game, look at FFXI for example. Yes the sound itself does rock, but the voiceovers are fluff, not to mention most of the voice overs are redone with the same voices over and over. Almost all Dwarfs talk the same (The thick scottish like accent) and female humans use the same 2 voices, same barbarian female voice on every barbarian female NPC.
Looking at pictures of lady vox in permafrost doesnt make this game the "pve epic encounter to end all encounters".
By the looks of it you should be playing EQ1 if what you want is described above.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Yeah, that's why I'm getting EQII over WoW, the atmosphere is greater than WoW, plus the massive amount of content.
I'll be getting world of warcraft because:
- The world is vibrant, colorful and fresh.
- Fast paced combat
- TONS of quests
- Crazy PvP battles
- Battlegrounds
- Fun raids
- Wide variety of different enviroments
- Fun transportation
Also, I played the stress test for a little over a week and it was the most fun i've had in an MMO. The first MMO where i didn't have to camp a spot for mobs. I was always on my feet running from one place to another, because there was always something to be done. And getting 100 people to go raid a Night Elf city or whatnot is a blast.
"The Crimes of the Servers are No Servers ONline and BLIZZARD KNOWS this! We play to beta test to WOW play the game that we Tested... FOR THEM!! Why then to the Devs give us excuses for the Servers of Delays on their DElays. CRIMES! I'm a Elf and need levels because I couldn't Play THURsday. I couldn't play FIRDAY either because Ther servers DOWN and Today's Friday!" - Catavari
WoW im afraid might turn into another DAoC where u reach max lvl and theres nothing to do but rvr. Blizzard is a great company and im sure will have things to keep it exciting.
EQ2 on the other hand has 100 lvls and lvling is not as fast and also sony has learned alot from there past mistakes to make the game more enjoyable.
Im going to play both.....and sacrafice another case of beer a month..
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Ive evaluated both. For me, WoW. I am comfortable with my decision based on my learnings to date as someone who has been following both and has been in beta of both.
WoW is a very nice improvement over it's predecessors and seems to do everything a little bit bit better. . .so even a little bit better is a better investment for my dollar.
=Graphics WoW because the graphics are clean, simple, not overly complex, they render wonderfully and dont require a huge investment in processing or memory which allows for smoother game-play. Anyone choosing very high-end graphics is making the wrong decisions about why one game should be preferred over another. I think that 70% of the EQII community will not be able to take advantage of anything more than the lowest graphics setting, and at that level the graphics detail are not pleasant at all very grainy and unpolished not to mention that the claymation style graphics dont appeal to me.
=Immersion WoW because the storyline and quests lead to rewarding outcomes and can be intertwined with other stories and quests. In addition, PvP has purpose and the game-play is designed with PvE and PvP in mind, though it should carry more weight in terms of forcing people into player interactivity, but the direction is great. EQ have never been design with breadth and depth of balanced PvE and anything relating to meaningful role or game-play immersive PvP. EQ1 and 2 are just not, absolutely not PvP friendly games. . .it is an abysmal afterthought with EQ1 and EQ2. The WoW PvP incorporation enhances the short-term and long-term game experience. . .it adds a great sense of suspense and unexpectedness that is dynamic, rather than linear as youll find with the EQ PvE model of game-play. I dont think there is an end-game with WoW, it is open-ended which means there is more to do and accomplish as you progress through the story, quests, etc.
=Quests WoW allows for quest accomplishment with a nice blend of difficulty, ease of use, types, reward, adventuring, exploration and game-play immersion and story telling. Both games will have many npcs that when engaged provide different quests, but seems like WoW makes the process less labor and downtime intensive minimizing the amount of time spent in-game searching over a very long period of time for a particular npc, site, location, etc. WoW is more questing friendly, not too simple by any means, just less labor intensive and a better use of my game-play with less aimlessly running around time. EQII gives the impression and Id be concerned that it would be a much more laborious and confusing questing system with little to no descriptiveness of how you should accomplish your task, where the task needs to be accomplished, leading to too much wasted in-game time yelling for help and traveling in a completely different direction than that which should be taken. Though If your interested in quantity over quality, then EQII may be the choice. But WoW seems to have the better balance of quantity and quality.
=Environment WoW seems to be a much less crowded and adventuring friendly environment that invites players to explore without feeling like a rat caught in a maze. EQII seems to be very claustrophobic. . .the cities, and wilderness environments seem very confining and because of that, not very fun to get around in or explore.
=General game-play: WoW has great game-play range for both harder-core and casual players. It is a very intuitive game to get a grasp of and play easily. WoW seems like down-time between encounters is minimized by not having to spend a quarter of your game-play time resting to regenerate stamina or mana or fear of getting continuously pinned in by non-escapable gauntlet of mobs. The WoW adventuring fear factor is there, but it is manageable. With EQII, I have gotten the impression that youd need an army of players to help keep you safe from the mobs in order to make it to the simplest destination safely.
With WoW, seems like though all mmorpgs have a healthy degree of mob bashing in order to advance, the WoW game-play environment and style of game-play will probably take much more of the sting out of the tread-millish feeling with their perceived more friendly questing system and less down-time game-play style. If you want to stick with the tedious game-play that EQ really hasn't deviated from but to add to the emphasis on PvE and mostly mind-numbing mob bashing, imho, then WoW is not for you.
Recovering after getting killed by a mob or another player is very friendly. .you port to a grave-yard and have the option of ressing on the spot for a minor experience hit (which can be gotten back) or running for your corpse without a minor experience hit. . .in both situations, gear is not lost. That fact contributes greatly to the replayability of WoW.
I could've sworn Everquest 2 had only 50 levels, which is less than WoW. Everquest 2 is also rumored to not have as much content ATM as WoW and after playing Everquest 2 for about two hours at a friends house, it's way too buggy and laggy to be released even before Christmas and they're trying to release it as early as possible, which shows that SOE did not learn form their mistakes. Plus EQ2 has a horrible interface.
I can't speak about EQ2 but I can tell you why I will NOT be buying WoW anytime soon.
1) There is no need to group up because you can solo easily to 60 np.
2) Leveling is way too easy, so its hard to weed out the bad players from the good ones even at 60th level. Blizzard's excuse to the easy progression in the game is they want players to basically forgo the slow leveling so players can just do the high end game. This just sounds to me more like a console game then a serious MMORPG. Why not just give players level up options, if they are using that crazy excuse. To me the slow and hard progression is how you weed out the kiddies and over-all bad players from the pack.
Also if you breeze through levels, are you really learning your class role and how to play him effectively in a group or raid? The hard knocks you learn in the early game really does help you out later on in your class career. Nothing beats the hard knock experiences of leveling up and learning from your mistakes. How can you learn if the game is so dubmed down that even a clueless player can be an over-achiever.
3) Where are the Hero classes?!
4) Spec your class one way, out of the norm, and you are an outcast. Forget about getting in a group if you decided to be a shapeshifting druid.
5) Where is the High level Raid content? Once you level to 60th level in record time, there isn't much to do. But it's just beta I guess so I can forgive here MAYBE. It is is just weeks away from going live.
6) Itemization is so bad its sad. If you are a robe caster, forget about getting anytime but mana. Want to look uber with new loot, hmm can forget that too. The low polygon count hurts here now, but people want no lag and no zoning so they have to pay up somehow.
7) Even though the graphics are ok, it feels like I am in some cartoon after a while. I am adult and my taste are a bit more seasoned since when I was a teenager.
I think he means the hype from players over commercial advertisements. Of course with the deep pockets of Sony will out do Blizzard any day or dare I say any other Gaming company out there.
I remember the great hype City of Heros had as well. Great game at first, fast pace, easy to play, then a few months go by and people are bored to tears with it now.
Simple? The frickin combat wheel in EQ2 was the most confusing thing ever, especially since there was no real tutorial or directions on how to use it.
Anyway, I'm definately getting WoW over EQ2. EQ2 is being totally rushed and definately isn't ready for launch while WoW, though it will also be launched with some mixing features and content, is a lot more ready, a lot more unique, and ultimately it was a lot more fun for me.
How strange calling a EQ-clone, unique. Sorry could not help and seeing the irony in that heh.
Bugged endless grinding boredom
or
Great PvP action
Seems pretty obvious to me.
Seems to me that you're going to play EQ2 for its graphics. Have fun in that. Care to share these "epic PvE" encounters you expierenced? Ive been in the closed EQ2 beta for over a month so dont give me any hoopla, Ive actually have a few characters past 20, you?
Race/Class combos dont make a good game, look at FFXI for example. Yes the sound itself does rock, but the voiceovers are fluff, not to mention most of the voice overs are redone with the same voices over and over. Almost all Dwarfs talk the same (The thick scottish like accent) and female humans use the same 2 voices, same barbarian female voice on every barbarian female NPC.
Looking at pictures of lady vox in permafrost doesnt make this game the "pve epic encounter to end all encounters".
By the looks of it you should be playing EQ1 if what you want is described above.
You act like getting 20th level is this big accomplishment. Epic battles are for the very high end content have you done that? Also you think the devs are going to stop there? No with Sony's deep deep pockets they will be adding expansions likes crack to the addicts.
Atm EQ2 can at least boast it has some high end raid content, can WoW do the same?
I've gotta say these threads make me laugh.
If anyone came here hoping to make a desicion about which of the two games to invest time and money in they'de turn their brain inside out.
Pretty interesting from a discussion point of view though.
I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to get into the EQ2 beta. I'll admit I was pretty astonished by the graphics. Although the amount of graphic options is bewildering I managed to get it to run with a pretty high frame rate on my mid/high level machine. Now I played EQ for a while and I played the EQ2 beta for about two weeks, so my opinion might now be that well founded. But it seemed to me that SOE have taken no risks at all and gone with the same old formula. Of course that makes sense commercially, nobody can argue about EQ's commercial success, but it would have been nice to see SOE with all their muscle to break down the barriers just like they did with the original and produce something that would have got me excited. I'm afraid it just doesn't do it for me.
While WoW might not be pushing back the frontiers of MMORPG gameplay it seems to me, and I haven't had the opportunity to play it so my opinion is pretty much based on 3rd party reports, that Blizzard have taken the current formula and freshened it up. I love the cartoon style although I can see why some people might not find it so attractive, I'm no spring chicken and I think I might be having a second childhood.
I guess my money goes on WoW then. If it can restore my flagging enthusiam for MMORPGs then it will be a great game indeed. I think SOE have taken to much for granted with EQ2. The game WILL be a success without my support. Whether it deserves to be is another matter.
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Well, I think it's important to mention that your question regarding any comparisons of the two games would only be fair if:
1 - You have a PC that's capable of running both games at their respective maximum graphical settings. That way, the graphics that are posted on their websites, and what you seem to be referring to, would actually match what you will see on your machine.
2 - You have the money to upgrade your machine (which you apparently do not, if you are as cash-strapped as you sound) in order to fulfill #1.
My rig is not powerful enough to run EQ2 at the settings that would be required to make it look as good as their media posts, but it is more than sufficient to run WoW.
My money is on WoW. Played it, loved it. As far as the concerns regarding leveling too quickly, I will not fall into that category. I don't have the amount of time that those people did. If you can level that quickly, then you're a power-leveler. If you are such a person, then there is a game made for you, but I don't know of it.
Every game will eventually run out of content if you are a power-leveler, unless they introduce so many expansions that only the absolute fanatics can explore everything in the period of time between expansions.
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.
Really hate these threads anymore. I like WoW. You don't? good. Go away. I should expect the same from an EQ2 player....
No way to defend an unfinished game....
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.