Aside from a few annual "screenshots", there's no proof that this game is even legitimate. The devs don't offer information, and no one has even seen the client or even a screenshot of its UI. This game has claimed to be in "beta" for about 4 years now, and no progress has ever come from it. Maybe where they live, lies are an acceptable form of information exchange...
What rock have you been under, they have had even videos of gameplay and the UI back in 2002.
Now have you even seen the latest videos where they do just about everything needed to show its legit?
I was only citing a person on his retardation and ignorance of facts, It's depressing to see people ask for proof as if the proof isnt right in front of them already.. I am watching Darkfall myself, but if that wasnt sarcasm, your dumb to be thinking its some scheme, I mean sure their is not MUCH info, but the VERY FACT that their isnt much info makes you equally as stupid for being overly doomsayer as it would be to be some aw-seeking fainboi. I personally dont care. There are lots of MMOs I am watching. If this fails, their are at least 6 others I am interested in.
You can try it before you buy it, supposedly. If they are trying to scam, they aren't very good at it. .
Leaks have been primarily positive with just a couple negatives that I have seen so far, which is good. Of course leaks are also subjective, so who knows.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Now let me get this straight. I'm not saying that this game will be good, and i'm not saying that this game will fail, i'm very skeptical about it but this is why I do not think that Aventurine is trying to get cash off of initial sales then just leave: This is the simple reason as to why Aventurine isn't trying to scam people: They have NO advertising. Think about it... If they were trying to scam people, they'd want as many people to jump the gun and purchase the game on release as possible. There would be ads everywhere, interviews all over the place, and other forms of marketing. Right now we've got next to 0 ads. This tells me that the devs aren't going for the "1-shot hit and run" scam. -- So yeah, that's my reasoning. Again i'm not saying that it's going to be good, just that the game's not going to be a scam.
I have this lovely bridge I'd like to sell you...only slightly used...
Aside from a few annual "screenshots", there's no proof that this game is even legitimate. The devs don't offer information, and no one has even seen the client or even a screenshot of its UI. This game has claimed to be in "beta" for about 4 years now, and no progress has ever come from it. Maybe where they live, lies are an acceptable form of information exchange...
No proof so they go to a game convention and fans from a Darkfall site can play Darkfall life there to show whole world and you still think its a hoax:p
Watch this 30min ingame gameplay movie that seems no hoax to me:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I doubt they ever intended to try and rip people off. Their lack of advertisement and information is more than likely to do with the fact they know this game will never live up to the hype, so like every other company does they keep everything under wraps.
Btw I doubt they ever intended to rip people off purely because Henning their art director I believe is quite respected in the art world. It is unlikely a company whose sole intent was to scam people would be able to get someone like that on their development team.
They have just bitten off more than they can chew, have a developer like peter moleneux(sp?) i.e full of it, who is hyping this game. It is not surprising they are not showing anyone anything, why would you when you know theres no way your game lives up to the unrealistic expectations you have given your fan base?
Originally posted by jakojako This is the simple reason as to why Aventurine isn't trying to scam people: They have NO advertising. Think about it... If they were trying to scam people, they'd want as many people to jump the gun and purchase the game on release as possible. There would be ads everywhere, interviews all over the place, and other forms of marketing. Right now we've got next to 0 ads.
Advertisement costs money.
To make money you need to spend money.
DOAC is still the MMO I judge other games by, My first and still my favorite.
Originally posted by jakojako This is the simple reason as to why Aventurine isn't trying to scam people: They have NO advertising. Think about it... If they were trying to scam people, they'd want as many people to jump the gun and purchase the game on release as possible. There would be ads everywhere, interviews all over the place, and other forms of marketing. Right now we've got next to 0 ads.
Not if they are not trying to scam the buyers. If all they wanted to do was scam the investors then they are doing exactly what I would expect them to do.
It is a lot like what Sigil did with V:SoH. They made pretty pictures and video to show Micro$oft but there was really no game there. When Micro$oft found out they dropped them and Brad McQualude crawled like a snake back to Sony.
I have never thought that this game was a buyer scam, hell it would be hard to take that crown from DnL, but just a scam overall for the last 7 years.
:O never thought of it like that, but the beta testers are relatively positive (though they say a lot of stuff is missing), so they would have had to work pretty hard on this investor scam, as the game has an engine built just for it, and twitch based combat in an mmo(if it truly was one, they would have released in like 03, when their first release was supposed to be)
Remember the Beta testers of DnL were relatively positive as well back then.
They have just bitten off more than they can chew, have a developer like peter moleneux(sp?) i.e full of it, who is hyping this game.
Except for the fact that Peter Molyneux has finally learned to STFU and not go overboard with the hype. With Fable 2, he was much more subdued while the game was in development until he could show concrete proof of what was in the game and that it was actually playable. He learned from his past mistakes.
As far as DF goes, I can easily see a small indie company not having much money for advertising because most of their money is going towards the game itself, but the idea that they're not advertising at all for some idealized reason is absurd. IMO, anyhow.
Darkfall does not need to pay for advertising. They already the best advertising in the world - it's called word of mouth.
Just look at this websites' daily digest. EVERY DAY there are usually 4-6 threads pertaining to Darkfall alone. Who needs to pay for advertising when u have this many Fanbois and Trolls bashing each other?
I think Adventurine is using a global type of reverse psychology. The more they DON"T advertise Darkfall the more people talk about them. This is pure marketing genius. LMAO.
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Darkfall does not need to pay for advertising. They already the best advertising in the world - it's called word of mouth. Just look at this websites' daily digest. EVERY DAY there are usually 4-6 threads pertaining to Darkfall alone. Who needs to pay for advertising when u have this many Fanbois and Trolls bashing each other? I think Adventurine is using a global type of reverse psychology. The more they DON"T advertise Darkfall the more people talk about them. This is pure marketing genius. LMAO.
Now let me get this straight. I'm not saying that this game will be good, and i'm not saying that this game will fail, i'm very skeptical about it but this is why I do not think that Aventurine is trying to get cash off of initial sales then just leave: This is the simple reason as to why Aventurine isn't trying to scam people: They have NO advertising. Think about it... If they were trying to scam people, they'd want as many people to jump the gun and purchase the game on release as possible. There would be ads everywhere, interviews all over the place, and other forms of marketing. Right now we've got next to 0 ads. This tells me that the devs aren't going for the "1-shot hit and run" scam. -- So yeah, that's my reasoning. Again i'm not saying that it's going to be good, just that the game's not going to be a scam.
Uhh I hate to burst your bubble but they cant afford to advertise to be completely honest with you. A game 7 8 years in the making? Yeah they cant afford it.
Now let me get this straight. I'm not saying that this game will be good, and i'm not saying that this game will fail, i'm very skeptical about it but this is why I do not think that Aventurine is trying to get cash off of initial sales then just leave: This is the simple reason as to why Aventurine isn't trying to scam people: They have NO advertising. Think about it... If they were trying to scam people, they'd want as many people to jump the gun and purchase the game on release as possible. There would be ads everywhere, interviews all over the place, and other forms of marketing. Right now we've got next to 0 ads. This tells me that the devs aren't going for the "1-shot hit and run" scam. -- So yeah, that's my reasoning. Again i'm not saying that it's going to be good, just that the game's not going to be a scam.
Uhh I hate to burst your bubble but they cant afford to advertise to be completely honest with you. A game 7 8 years in the making? Yeah they cant afford it.
I think we have seen enought screenshot and video gameplay of Darkfall to know it does exist, in some form. I am starting to lean towards the notion that we are all going to log on when it launches and find that the game is essentially an empty open world were are supposed to carve out ourselves.
I will be shocked if crafting is complete. I will be shocked if the skills are complete. I hope the game is ready but they seem to be hiding something from the world... Whatever that is it doesn't sit will with those of us who are skeptical.
Darkfall clearly exists, it isn't vaporware. It's also clearly more complete than Dark and Light was at launch if you watch the videos. It is ready to go live? I have doubts but I hope to be wrong.
It's considered vaporware until it's actually released. The term vaporware doesn't just apply to games and other things that don't exist. It also applies to things that are in development for so long that people just give up waiting for it to ever materialize. They figure they'll believe it only when they see it and until then, it's vaporware.
For example, take the new Guns 'n Roses record, Chinese Democracy. That was considered vaporware for almost 15 years. People knew Axl was in the studio. They knew the album was being worked on. Hell, he even played live shows with that new material in his sets back in 2001 and 2002. There was no doubt that the album existed. It was still considered vaporware until the day it was finally released in stores.
Know what else didn't kick the vaporware label until it released? Team Fortress 2. It was announced in 1999 and didn't release until 2007. Same goes for Too Human. They actually showed that game at E3 in 1999, but it didn't come out until last year.
Darkfall may release and be great, it may release and suck, or it may not release at all.
You know how this makes Darkfall different then every other MMO that has or will come out, it doesnt.
This genre group of players have become a bunch of spoon fed brats. Where is the rule that a company has to put out X amount of information on a game or it is a scam or vapor? I remember days gone by when we didnt have to know every detail about a game before we bought it.
If you are worried that the game will not produce then dont buy it at release, wait some time and see how it does. Dont camp out on these boards bitching because you arent seeing enough info.
They can put out as much or as little info as they want, they can advertise as much or as little as they want. Unless you are a backer or stockholder in the company it should not matter to you at all.
And get off the 7-8 year development cycle already. Who cares. There are plenty of games that were in development for 5 years and launched as a steaming pile so they can take as long as they want to develop the game. It isnt costing any of us anything.
If it releases afer 8 years and is a steaming pile then yes, that was a waste of 8 years, if it releases and is good then it was time well spent.
Dont hate Darkfall because it is different, embrace it because it is different. The norm in this genre has become pretty craptastic.
Darkfall may release and be great, it may release and suck, or it may not release at all.
You know how this makes Darkfall different then every other MMO that has or will come out, it doesnt. Agreed. This genre group of players have become a bunch of spoon fed brats. Where is the rule that a company has to put out X amount of information on a game or it is a scam or vapor? I remember days gone by when we didnt have to know every detail about a game before we bought it. Good point. You know some other things people lived with in the past?
Washing their clothes in the river, getting their drinking water from the well, taking days to travel a few miles. My point is, things change. When the MMO genre first started it was the norm to not have much information about a game before it was released but today even games months/years from release have at least basic information available about them. Trying to say that Aventurine is doing a good thing by not releasing information about their game is like saying traveling used to be easier before GPS devices.
If you are worried that the game will not produce then dont buy it at release, wait some time and see how it does. Dont camp out on these boards bitching because you arent seeing enough info. These forums are for discussion of the game. That means anything that people want to talk about is welcome here. If someone has concerns that there is not enough information about the game that's 9 days from being released this is exactly the place they should be voicing their concern. They can put out as much or as little info as they want, they can advertise as much or as little as they want. Unless you are a backer or stockholder in the company it should not matter to you at all. Personally, this is one of my last hopes for a good MMO game. I have played and been disappointed by every single MMO game to be released since UO. I have a vested interest in my hobby, and in my enjoyment of that hobby. If the game turns out to not be everything Tasos has said it is, or it does not get the subscription numbers it needs and they have to shut down then it does matter to me.
And get off the 7-8 year development cycle already. Who cares. There are plenty of games that were in development for 5 years and launched as a steaming pile so they can take as long as they want to develop the game. It isnt costing any of us anything.
If it releases afer 8 years and is a steaming pile then yes, that was a waste of 8 years, if it releases and is good then it was time well spent. Exactly. Just because the game has been in development for 7 years does not mean it will be good or bad. What it does mean, however, is that Aventurine should have had ample time to MAKE it good so the pressure is even higher on them then on a studio that released a game after only 4 years. Dont hate Darkfall because it is different, embrace it because it is different. The norm in this genre has become pretty craptastic. Agreed.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
they advertise in greece/europe, america isnt center of the world you know.
Yes we know that. Now show me a link of these so called ad's in EU.
Many EU peeps ask about this game here in mmorpg and why there is so little info on it. They feel its a ghost game?
Tell me why is that, if they advertise it so much in EU?
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Now let me get this straight. I'm not saying that this game will be good, and i'm not saying that this game will fail, i'm very skeptical about it but this is why I do not think that Aventurine is trying to get cash off of initial sales then just leave: This is the simple reason as to why Aventurine isn't trying to scam people: They have NO advertising. Think about it... If they were trying to scam people, they'd want as many people to jump the gun and purchase the game on release as possible. There would be ads everywhere, interviews all over the place, and other forms of marketing. Right now we've got next to 0 ads. This tells me that the devs aren't going for the "1-shot hit and run" scam. -- So yeah, that's my reasoning. Again i'm not saying that it's going to be good, just that the game's not going to be a scam.
Uhh I hate to burst your bubble but they cant afford to advertise to be completely honest with you. A game 7 8 years in the making? Yeah they cant afford it.
And thats why there will be no launch on Jan22 IMO.
Go back and look at the coffee event. He was not talking to gamers but to investors and bankers. Why because they don't have enough money to launch the game.
Why did he bash on the greek gov...because he asked them for help and they refused.
They probably won't get a credit line expansion from the banks, its probably maxed already.
So that leaves 2 options for funds. investors and a publisher.
Publisher is a no go at this time, They want to much of the pie and with what they owe the banks that would leave them nothing. (remember this company has no influx of cash)
Investors is what he is looking for and needs.
And that is why he dropped the release date NOT to gamers BUT to investors hoping that would motivate them.
With no new influx of cash there will be no launch on Jan22.
We shall see if he gets what he wants.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
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What rock have you been under, they have had even videos of gameplay and the UI back in 2002.
Now have you even seen the latest videos where they do just about everything needed to show its legit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGI9eC_8u9o
Gameply check
UI check
Client check
Lies? Wow epic fail.
darkFAIL is the madoff scheme of mmos...
believe it!!!
I was only citing a person on his retardation and ignorance of facts, It's depressing to see people ask for proof as if the proof isnt right in front of them already.. I am watching Darkfall myself, but if that wasnt sarcasm, your dumb to be thinking its some scheme, I mean sure their is not MUCH info, but the VERY FACT that their isnt much info makes you equally as stupid for being overly doomsayer as it would be to be some aw-seeking fainboi. I personally dont care. There are lots of MMOs I am watching. If this fails, their are at least 6 others I am interested in.
You can try it before you buy it, supposedly. If they are trying to scam, they aren't very good at it. .
Leaks have been primarily positive with just a couple negatives that I have seen so far, which is good. Of course leaks are also subjective, so who knows.
There's no substitute for one's own experience.
I think DF has an agreement with this company for distribution. Correct me if info is bad please.
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Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I have this lovely bridge I'd like to sell you...only slightly used...
What is theis whole scamming fear everyone has?
Of course they arent scamming.
However if their game sucks, they would try to sell it anyways. That is not scamming.
When you're only paying your employees $4 a day you have a lot of money left over for advertising.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
No proof so they go to a game convention and fans from a Darkfall site can play Darkfall life there to show whole world and you still think its a hoax:p
http://www.darkfallworld.com/node?page=2
Watch this 30min ingame gameplay movie that seems no hoax to me:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I doubt they ever intended to try and rip people off. Their lack of advertisement and information is more than likely to do with the fact they know this game will never live up to the hype, so like every other company does they keep everything under wraps.
Btw I doubt they ever intended to rip people off purely because Henning their art director I believe is quite respected in the art world. It is unlikely a company whose sole intent was to scam people would be able to get someone like that on their development team.
They have just bitten off more than they can chew, have a developer like peter moleneux(sp?) i.e full of it, who is hyping this game. It is not surprising they are not showing anyone anything, why would you when you know theres no way your game lives up to the unrealistic expectations you have given your fan base?
Advertisement costs money.
To make money you need to spend money.
I dont remember DnL doing alot of advertising
and SOE sucks at advertising their own games
I dont agree with the Op that no advertising means less risk
EQ2 fan sites
Advertisement costs money.
To make money you need to spend money.
To spend money you need to have money.
Not in America!
Not if they are not trying to scam the buyers. If all they wanted to do was scam the investors then they are doing exactly what I would expect them to do.
It is a lot like what Sigil did with V:SoH. They made pretty pictures and video to show Micro$oft but there was really no game there. When Micro$oft found out they dropped them and Brad McQualude crawled like a snake back to Sony.
I have never thought that this game was a buyer scam, hell it would be hard to take that crown from DnL, but just a scam overall for the last 7 years.
:O never thought of it like that, but the beta testers are relatively positive (though they say a lot of stuff is missing), so they would have had to work pretty hard on this investor scam, as the game has an engine built just for it, and twitch based combat in an mmo(if it truly was one, they would have released in like 03, when their first release was supposed to be)
Remember the Beta testers of DnL were relatively positive as well back then.
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Except for the fact that Peter Molyneux has finally learned to STFU and not go overboard with the hype. With Fable 2, he was much more subdued while the game was in development until he could show concrete proof of what was in the game and that it was actually playable. He learned from his past mistakes.
As far as DF goes, I can easily see a small indie company not having much money for advertising because most of their money is going towards the game itself, but the idea that they're not advertising at all for some idealized reason is absurd. IMO, anyhow.
Darkfall does not need to pay for advertising. They already the best advertising in the world - it's called word of mouth.
Just look at this websites' daily digest. EVERY DAY there are usually 4-6 threads pertaining to Darkfall alone. Who needs to pay for advertising when u have this many Fanbois and Trolls bashing each other?
I think Adventurine is using a global type of reverse psychology. The more they DON"T advertise Darkfall the more people talk about them. This is pure marketing genius. LMAO.
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Uhh I hate to burst your bubble but they cant afford to advertise to be completely honest with you. A game 7 8 years in the making? Yeah they cant afford it.
Uhh I hate to burst your bubble but they cant afford to advertise to be completely honest with you. A game 7 8 years in the making? Yeah they cant afford it.
Then its a good thing they dont need it
Heh. Even the most niche titles still need to advertise. No one is immune from that, at least not if they want their game to sell.
I think we have seen enought screenshot and video gameplay of Darkfall to know it does exist, in some form. I am starting to lean towards the notion that we are all going to log on when it launches and find that the game is essentially an empty open world were are supposed to carve out ourselves.
I will be shocked if crafting is complete. I will be shocked if the skills are complete. I hope the game is ready but they seem to be hiding something from the world... Whatever that is it doesn't sit will with those of us who are skeptical.
Darkfall clearly exists, it isn't vaporware. It's also clearly more complete than Dark and Light was at launch if you watch the videos. It is ready to go live? I have doubts but I hope to be wrong.
Tecmo Bowl.
It's considered vaporware until it's actually released. The term vaporware doesn't just apply to games and other things that don't exist. It also applies to things that are in development for so long that people just give up waiting for it to ever materialize. They figure they'll believe it only when they see it and until then, it's vaporware.
For example, take the new Guns 'n Roses record, Chinese Democracy. That was considered vaporware for almost 15 years. People knew Axl was in the studio. They knew the album was being worked on. Hell, he even played live shows with that new material in his sets back in 2001 and 2002. There was no doubt that the album existed. It was still considered vaporware until the day it was finally released in stores.
Know what else didn't kick the vaporware label until it released? Team Fortress 2. It was announced in 1999 and didn't release until 2007. Same goes for Too Human. They actually showed that game at E3 in 1999, but it didn't come out until last year.
Darkfall may release and be great, it may release and suck, or it may not release at all.
You know how this makes Darkfall different then every other MMO that has or will come out, it doesnt.
This genre group of players have become a bunch of spoon fed brats. Where is the rule that a company has to put out X amount of information on a game or it is a scam or vapor? I remember days gone by when we didnt have to know every detail about a game before we bought it.
If you are worried that the game will not produce then dont buy it at release, wait some time and see how it does. Dont camp out on these boards bitching because you arent seeing enough info.
They can put out as much or as little info as they want, they can advertise as much or as little as they want. Unless you are a backer or stockholder in the company it should not matter to you at all.
And get off the 7-8 year development cycle already. Who cares. There are plenty of games that were in development for 5 years and launched as a steaming pile so they can take as long as they want to develop the game. It isnt costing any of us anything.
If it releases afer 8 years and is a steaming pile then yes, that was a waste of 8 years, if it releases and is good then it was time well spent.
Dont hate Darkfall because it is different, embrace it because it is different. The norm in this genre has become pretty craptastic.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
they advertise in greece/europe, america isnt center of the world you know.
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Yes we know that. Now show me a link of these so called ad's in EU.
Many EU peeps ask about this game here in mmorpg and why there is so little info on it. They feel its a ghost game?
Tell me why is that, if they advertise it so much in EU?
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Uhh I hate to burst your bubble but they cant afford to advertise to be completely honest with you. A game 7 8 years in the making? Yeah they cant afford it.
And thats why there will be no launch on Jan22 IMO.
Go back and look at the coffee event. He was not talking to gamers but to investors and bankers. Why because they don't have enough money to launch the game.
Why did he bash on the greek gov...because he asked them for help and they refused.
They probably won't get a credit line expansion from the banks, its probably maxed already.
So that leaves 2 options for funds. investors and a publisher.
Publisher is a no go at this time, They want to much of the pie and with what they owe the banks that would leave them nothing. (remember this company has no influx of cash)
Investors is what he is looking for and needs.
And that is why he dropped the release date NOT to gamers BUT to investors hoping that would motivate them.
With no new influx of cash there will be no launch on Jan22.
We shall see if he gets what he wants.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...