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Confirmed... Pre-Orders are in... and get Priority!
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forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
The date of the Darkfall European commercial release has been pushed back to February 25th, 2009. A pre-order will be made available mid-February. The pre-orders will get priority for early access to the game. The pre-orders will also get priority for the game launch if we have to go to a staged release. We’ll go to a staged release only in the case we have more demand than we can handle properly, and until we can upgrade our capacity. The pre-orders are necessary so that we can have some measure of the demand.
Hmm... now the question? Did anyone pre-dict that DarkFall would eventually go the pre-order route?
I wonder??? 
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I said so.
No 22 jan release.
I feel so damn smart. Oh, and grats to the preorder stuff..
I guess you got what you wanted?
"One week till launch where are the preorders?" is what i've seen in almost every thread this week.
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Was it not illegal to say "no" to that a couple of days ago? Funny.
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http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
But with this announcement it pretty much shuts down all the claims of:...
Tasos has never lied
Or, at least it should anyway.
I suppose it might take a day or two for the right wording to be worked out how this announcement today fits in perfectly will all the quotes of the past....
Well Aventurine definitely failed their own expectations, but it's expected in a hard business like MMO's. Most of the "promises" were written years before they got into the nitty gritty stuff.
The pre-orders are disappointing, but it makes sense. People that pay, probably should have a priority in getting a slot for the open beta (also called a trial)
They made a few mistakes on how they worded things, but still...the game WILL come out. And really the delay isn't that bad.
Hopefully they didn't underestimate that.
Oh, that should be interesting, especially once the game goes live. I fully expect epic battles on their forums when the game goes live and pre-order folks still can't access the game and have to wait before they can play.
Ok i was ready to just say, fuck no late feb is to close to some other games and pre-order smells DnL looong waaay.
but then i reread something carefully and
Starting on January 22nd there will be a Darkfall trial with the distribution of the release candidate client allowing thousands of players to sample the game for free, help us stress test our servers and test the final features of the game.
If I dont get in on this, there WILL be leaks even if there is a NDA, especially if the game sucks.
Ill be sad if i dont get in thou, but unlike most in here im actually enjoying some other games too, so i got no problem aslong as we get a trial to test the game before buying (or extensive comments from a big crowd of beta testers, who are sampeling the game).
Wich makes it all comes down to not smelling like DnL at all at this point, but who knows this magical NDA might continue and even silence a few thousand "players"
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It also seems the FANBOIIii11sSS was right, even if the trolls will laugh at the delay, in:
* Tasos is implying the release cant handle the demand, allowing lots of ppl to test the game before going Live will iron out the "i wanna try"-people from the "going to stay"-people - to avoid a AoC scenario where launch has shitloads but at the ends just left alot of servers for way to few players.
*No marketing becouse they knew there launch wouldnt hold for the number of people that was already hyped of it.
*Wants to avoid a AoC dilemma and make sure they have a steady launch that wont fall flat on its legs (saving money by not opening up shitloads of servers for shitloads of ppl who just wants to be there a few days at start - resulting in empty servers just a month or 2 into the game).
*Wants to start small and steady as games like EvE did.
Its funny really that all the games released the last 2 years that all failed pretty much, all hyped there games to death, release, opened servers, and when the gamers left that truly like the game was there, there where all scattered - failing the game that would later grow to be quite decent (sounds like Vanguard, AoC etc?)
Well ill stop ranting, most ppl will just call me a blind fanboi anyway, but i think Aventurine is making some really smart moves here by letting the community try for free before release. Using preorders after that to see how many still are interested in the game, and if to many are still in for it making sure they take in the players step by step slow and steady to have a good feel on how many servers they will need for the longhaul.
P.S - im still reserved for the scam thou, as this might again just be empty promises. But it is a good gameplan on paper, and will probably save them alot of headache by just trowing this ou tin the air with 10x the needed servers so all can try.
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They stand on pre-order they said Mai 2008 within the last year...on "philosophy journal" ..it sounded like they support the idea of try before buy.-.now the 180 turn ..and that announced together with a missed release date .. bah
big let down
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They just flushed down the toilet the main card they had left in their hand... integrity.
That is gone now... they no longer get to play that card.
It's obvious to everyone now that it's all about the money... as some of us were saying for quite some time now. So, Aventurine is in the same boat as all other Devs. in that regards.
Now it remains to be seen how the gameplay will stand up.
They have a shot at redemption if the gameplay is everything that we have been lead to believe it is. Just depends on how much you trust Tasos now.
The way i read it was that 22nd will beginn open beta (with a max amount of keys given out to first come), and middle februari preorders will be avalible, and alow players early access to live servers.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
Sounds like they will be adding preorders after roughly 2-3 weeks of stress testing,/open beta. So if you are lucky enough to get in theres a good chance you will get the try before you buy. If not wait for reviews so you are not wasting your time or money.
edit: Forgot to type this paragraph.
So its not really a complete 180, just misleading how they originally implied they would do a try before you buy, by implying everyone would get a chance to try it for free. But i suppose it is understandble, they have had a peak in interest lately, most likely due to the amount of failed mmos.
It won't be open beta. It will be a limited beta with a large number of invites probably. I think they are using pre orders as a way to implement a staged release and make money at the same time.
Some of you guys are a bit dramatic... You don't have to pre order to play. If you just wait to release what would the difference be? If you preorder and feel scammed well you should know damn well the risk you are taking. This isn't even the official NA launch and I bet 99% of you are in NA.
Trolls can celebrate this like it is their great victory, but in reality it shows release is imminent. This is definitely not vapor and something will be out very soon.
Wow I'm not too suprised. Staged release sounds like another phrase for Open Beta and all the people who drop pre-order $$$$ get to beta test and get early access.
The pre-orders are necessary so that we can have some measure of the demand.
Sounds like they need a $$$ cushion just in case people blind purchase, don't like the game, and uninstall/cancel their subscription real quick.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
The way i read it was that 22nd will beginn open beta (with a max amount of keys given out to first come), and middle februari preorders will be avalible, and alow players early access to live servers.
This "open Beta" they are allowing on the 22nd will only hold "thousands" supposedly.
So yeah, we'll see what the conditions are for these to be able to get in, and what the numbers really are. Chances are you won't be getting in for this "open beta" though... so I wouldn't hold my breath.
They just flushed down the toilet the main card they had left in their hand... integrity.
That is gone now... they no longer get to play that card.
It's obvious to everyone now that it's all about the money... as some of us were saying for quite some time now. So, Aventurine is in the same boat as all other Devs. in that regards.
Now it remains to be seen how the gameplay will stand up.
They have a shot at redemption if the gameplay is everything that we have been lead to believe it is. Just depends on how much you trust Tasos now.
This game still has ground for me. It was always about money. It's a business. It's just a question about how they go about making it.
If the pre-orders are returnable, cancellable, or not charged till actual release, it works just fine.
I've always wondered why their are pre-orders in cases like this, and it makes sense. It's not just about the money, but the amount of player slots available.
Wow I'm not too suprised. Staged release sounds like another phrase for Open Beta and all the people who drop pre-order $$$$ get to beta test and get early access.
The pre-orders are necessary so that we can have some measure of the demand.
Sounds like they need a $$$ cushion just in case people blind purchase, don't like the game, and uninstall/cancel their subscription real quick.
I'm sure any MMO company needs a money cushion at this stage. He is correct about using the pre-order to measure demand, though. Given that this is a new game from a completely blind company, and the fact the game is both REALLY niche and REALLY indie, they could REALLY use some information about demand BEFORE the servers melt from overload.
I will say, though, that pre-orders aren't the best way to measure demand. The open beta would be. Many people simply WON'T pre-order an MMO these days. I know a lot of players that really loved and followed WAR and AoC, but wouldn't pre-order them before release because of how tarnished this markets rep is right now.
Wow I'm not too suprised. Staged release sounds like another phrase for Open Beta and all the people who drop pre-order $$$$ get to beta test and get early access.
The pre-orders are necessary so that we can have some measure of the demand.
Sounds like they need a $$$ cushion just in case people blind purchase, don't like the game, and uninstall/cancel their subscription real quick.
I'm sure any MMO company needs a money cushion at this stage. He is correct about using the pre-order to measure demand, though. Given that this is a new game from a completely blind company, and the fact the game is both REALLY niche and REALLY indie, they could REALLY use some information about demand BEFORE the servers melt from overload.
I will say, though, that pre-orders aren't the best way to measure demand. The open beta would be. Many people simply WON'T pre-order an MMO these days. I know a lot of players that really loved and followed WAR and AoC, but wouldn't pre-order them before release because of how tarnished this markets rep is right now.
Pre-orders are a very profitable way of getting people to pay you while they test your bugs.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
It's obvious to everyone now that it's all about the money... as some of us were saying for quite some time now. So, Aventurine is in the same boat as all other Devs. in that regards.
They have a shot at redemption if the gameplay is everything that we have been lead to believe it is. Just depends on how much you trust Tasos now.
I looked to reasons and seemed pretty reasonable to me ( and no i will not play DF, no fan here) and a company wants to make money
it is much better a release after Open beta im sure well see leaks /reviews help to decide ppl
The good part is that if this trial they will have just loads people un unthil the server cant handle much more and lets as many people as possible test on a first come first serve basis (no selection) open beta/trial.
The good part is that once 1-2 weeks go by, alot of views on the game will be out. Alot of people will be turned of of what they here and see from vids, and simple move on.
Then when it has all calmed down, they hit the preorder button.
Now the people who are still interested like mad in the game from testing and looking at vids will pre order.
Avanturine looks, hmm ok so we got more/less preorders then the servers can handle. Lets invite/close out non preorders from the servers at launch, unthil we can get another server up.
If very few ppl preorder after the trial, they can let everyone buy the game at launch and let em play on the server.
Its a really smart way of releasing and avoiding the AoC phenomenon with desert servers. Wnat to know another company that used this strategy althou in another way?
Blizzard
They didnt allow DDL of there game, you had to buy the box for well over a year. If you wherent preordering in the first batch, there was no chance of playing unthil the next batch or buying someones else account. I know i gave away my preorder (wasnt interested in WoW at launch day) and 2 months later when i looked to play with my friends, i saw i couldnt. Had to wait anohter 2 months before batch 2 came out.
Ill admitt Aventurine is doing a harsher check on whos really interested and limeting the number of gamers they allow. But if this is the 100% reason they are delaying, i think its a very good decision in the long haul - a very bad decision in the short timeframe (Putting preorders and NDA up + hypemachine is a good short timeframe way)
Its not launch on 22nd and it suckes abit, but atleast its moving forward to open beta/trial. Another step away from vaporism.
/end rant
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Look, right:
The way I see it:
The only difference this makes, is: Pre-orders, which I think is a good thing anyway.
We won't be playing our actual game characters untill Feburary 25th.
We should be happy they're doing this to improve whatever they're working on, to be honest. We should be happy they're not prepared to make an "unfinished release".
However, if we didn't get to play Open Beta on Janurary 22nd, I'm sure alot of people, would of been pretty pissed. Me included.
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The way i read it was that 22nd will beginn open beta (with a max amount of keys given out to first come), and middle februari preorders will be avalible, and alow players early access to live servers.
This "open Beta" they are allowing on the 22nd will only hold "thousands" supposedly.
So yeah, we'll see what the conditions are for these to be able to get in, and what the numbers really are. Chances are you won't be getting in for this "open beta" though... so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Not holding my breath, aslong as there is no selection from aventurine's side, i got little problem if im not allowed to personally play. I want both haters and lovers views on there first impressions.
If its first come, first served - well lets just say im quite confident ill get in (havent missed one of these so far atleast).
P.S - By selection i mean aventurine selecting person by person, if they select like: EU only, ill understand that and it would still mean both haters and lovers would get in.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
Pre-orders are never a good thing, especially if they allow early access in a PVP based game........
They just flushed down the toilet the main card they had left in their hand... integrity.
That is gone now... they no longer get to play that card.
It's obvious to everyone now that it's all about the money... as some of us were saying for quite some time now. So, Aventurine is in the same boat as all other Devs. in that regards.
Now it remains to be seen how the gameplay will stand up.
They have a shot at redemption if the gameplay is everything that we have been lead to believe it is. Just depends on how much you trust Tasos now.
This game still has ground for me. It was always about money. It's a business. It's just a question about how they go about making it.
If the pre-orders are returnable, cancellable, or not charged till actual release, it works just fine.
I've always wondered why their are pre-orders in cases like this, and it makes sense. It's not just about the money, but the amount of player slots available.
That works for companies that haven't said all the things about pre-orders that Tasos has said about them in the past.
Considering all his past statements about how he and Aventurine feel about pre-orders and why they would NEVER do them... it's much worse than if they'd just done pre-orders from the beginning.
Quote from warcry.org's Darkfall Dev Journal #24:
"Speaking of public beta, I read someone wished we would give a date, and equated that to professionalism on our part. I won't disagree with that, however giving a public beta date in order to get preorders, even if that means you have to announce consecutive delays, while professional, is not part of our business model. We'll announce a public beta date when we know for sure that it's the right date. Until then, at best, we can give you an idea of our milestones. Darkfall preorders by the way aren't applicable. Our hope for Darkfall is that you won't spend a cent on the game until you've tried it and decided you want to play it. At the moment, our target for public beta/ playtesting.......etc etc etc"
Their attitude regarding "pay before play" did not change. As I am concerned, as long as we get a chance to try the game before paying, I am not against preorders.
Interesting how those who hate the game always find something to bitch about: yesterday it was lack of preorders, today it is "broken promise" which is based on yellow quote while ignoring the red continuation.
I have always wondered why politicans are so vague all the time, but now I see how oponents always attack anything that has been said, often out of context
So you are thinking you will be one of the "thousands" selected to get to play on the 22nd?
If you get in great for you... most won't be there with you though. Nope... a small fraction will be playing it on the 22nd.
If I'm wrong on that make a post and I'll state I'm wrong. It'll only be a few thousand playing on the 22nd though... not anywhere close to 50k.