Originally posted by xzyax Considering all his past statements about how he and Aventurine feel about pre-orders and why they would NEVER do them... it's much worse than if they'd just done pre-orders from the beginning.
Please read my message above. Could you please be so kind and provide me more details about the reason that they have stated and you are talking about?
Originally posted by xzyax Considering all his past statements about how he and Aventurine feel about pre-orders and why they would NEVER do them... it's much worse than if they'd just done pre-orders from the beginning.
Please read my message above. Could you please be so kind and provide me more details about the reason that they have stated and you are talking about?
When he wrote it the community consisted of what under 70k people? And now its over 300k growing by 100 members every hour? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM maybe then preorders were not applicable, but now that the game is getting so popular, they are going to have to stage release. What other way to decide who gets in first other than preorders? And as to the "we hope you can play before you spend a cent," well noone is forcing you to preorder and free trial comes out the 22nd....
Originally posted by xzyax Considering all his past statements about how he and Aventurine feel about pre-orders and why they would NEVER do them... it's much worse than if they'd just done pre-orders from the beginning.
Please read my message above. Could you please be so kind and provide me more details about the reason that they have stated and you are talking about?
When he wrote it the community consisted of what under 70k people? And now its over 300k growing by 100 members every hour? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM maybe then preorders were not applicable, but now that the game is getting so popular, they are going to have to stage release. What other way to decide who gets in first other than preorders? And as to the "we hope you can play before you spend a cent," well noone is forcing you to preorder and free trial comes out the 22nd....
soooooo?
sooooooo nothing, if you did read my post carefully you would not make retard of yourself now. Preferably both of my posts in this thread. You are barking on the wrong tree here
Originally posted by xzyax Considering all his past statements about how he and Aventurine feel about pre-orders and why they would NEVER do them... it's much worse than if they'd just done pre-orders from the beginning.
Please read my message above. Could you please be so kind and provide me more details about the reason that they have stated and you are talking about?
When he wrote it the community consisted of what under 70k people? And now its over 300k growing by 100 members every hour? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM maybe then preorders were not applicable, but now that the game is getting so popular, they are going to have to stage release. What other way to decide who gets in first other than preorders? And as to the "we hope you can play before you spend a cent," well noone is forcing you to preorder and free trial comes out the 22nd....
soooooo?
sooooooo nothing, if you did read my post carefully you would not make retard of yourself now. Preferably both of my posts in this thread. You are barking on the wrong tree here
We will just say my post was directed at the trolls QQing over preorder and lies ect...
Ok I don't post a lot but I do read the threads. It sounds like people want to play now and they don't want to wait until the Feb launch date. Children, hold your horses and let the company fix any issues before launch. You never get a second chance to make a first impression. People's expectations are generally based on past experiences and this developer cannot control that. What they can control is the experience of this game and that's what I believe they are trying to do by delaying the game in order to correct or fix some issues and to make sure the game can handle the population expected to initially sub.
From a business sense, launch when ready is the only way to go even if it means delaying the project a month or two. I can relate this to building a home (because that's what I do). Would you rather wait a week and move into your home before your hot water and gas is hooked up or would you rather move in now because that's when the contractor said your home would be ready? It's all about the initial experience.
I really want to try out this game but I would like to see it as complete as possible before trying it out and I would be naive to think it will be flawless after launch. Continuing with the home analogy, I know I will see nail pops, maybe a crack in the concrete from settling or even a sqeaky floor because the sub floor wasn't glued down by the framer properly. All these things can be fixed and they are part of the industry; smilar to the gaming industry I am sure. (ie: bugs)
Some of you guys seem to always be setting yourself up for disappoinment. You seem to comment and then fashion your own conclusions that are seriously way out of context based on other experiences. How about we wait and see before calling the game vapourware, a failure, crap, a success, the best mmo ever, etc. It works both ways.
Anyways, I am looking forward to giving this game a fair shot. I think the concept is great and is geared to a market that obviously isn't satisfied. I am excited to advance my character but I can wait
Preorders will not get unfair priority for open beta, thats a lie, Tasos would never do that.
Tasos sent me this email when I asked him about open beta.
If you’re not in the open beta yet, please don’t take this personally, it’s likely you don’t fit our immediate testing needs or have not pre ordered yet.
There are a lot of criteria, but it can be as simple as hardware, location, time zone and if you have preorderd.
We appreciate your understanding as we're trying to get Darkfall open beta ready, we take this pre order process very seriously.
We STILL get to play on Janurary 22nd. Say they have one server in Open Beta, they will probably select at least 50,000 players, out of the 200,000 odd Tasos said they have applied now. (This may increase remember) We STILL get to try before we buy, we'll of been in Open Beta, and played the game by the time they get pre-orders up.
The only difference this makes, is: Pre-orders, which I think is a good thing anyway.
We won't be playing our actual game characters untill Feburary 25th. We should be happy they're doing this to improve whatever they're working on, to be honest. We should be happy they're not prepared to make an "unfinished release". However, if we didn't get to play Open Beta on Janurary 22nd, I'm sure alot of people, would of been pretty pissed. Me included.
I agree with you completely. But here is the problem.
Who gets to play on Jan 22nd? If they allow even 10,000 'real people' to play on Jan 22nd and post videos, comments and reviews. Then I will agree with you. But just like many of us knew there would be no release on the Jan 22nd, we also KNOW there won't be 10,000 'real people' able to play darkfall on the 22nd. What you are going to get on Jan 22nd is nothing more than exactly what you have now. Tasos will claim 'lots of testers' but none of them will be posting anywhere except for his friends.
I really don't mind the pre-order thing except for 2 things. First, Tasos specifically said there would be NO pre-order and that players would get to try the game before they buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he meant every single person would have the opportunity to try the game. But even if I misinterpreted that part of his comment (maybe he meant the community as a whole would get to play before anyone paid money).. the fact still remains that there is not going to be any real 'open' playing on the 22nd. You, me, and nobody posting on these servers is ever going to get to play this game until Feb 25, and then only if we had pre-ordered.
When Jan 22nd comes and goes and nobody is talking about actually being in the game.. will the fanboys finally smell a rat? Nope, probaby not.
They stated that preorders for public beta were not a part of their business model. These preorders do not give access to public beta. They give access to the game early.
Originally posted by Azrile I really don't mind the pre-order thing except for 2 things. First, Tasos specifically said there would be NO pre-order and that players would get to try the game before they buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he meant every single person would have the opportunity to try the game.
I won't be preordering but if there is still a free trial available on launch then he will be consistant with what he said he wants as nobody will have had to pay for the game before trying it.
Quote from warcry.org's Darkfall Dev Journal #24: "Speaking of public beta, I read someone wished we would give a date, and equated that to professionalism on our part. I won't disagree with that, however giving a public beta date in order to get preorders, even if that means you have to announce consecutive delays, while professional, is not part of our business model. We'll announce a public beta date when we know for sure that it's the right date. Until then, at best, we can give you an idea of our milestones. Darkfall preorders by the way aren't applicable. Our hope for Darkfall is that you won't spend a cent on the game until you've tried it and decided you want to play it. At the moment, our target for public beta/ playtesting.......etc etc etc" Their attitude regarding "pay before play" did not change. As I am concerned, as long as we get a chance to try the game before paying, I am not against preorders. Interesting how those who hate the game always find something to bitch about: yesterday it was lack of preorders, today it is "broken promise" which is based on yellow quote while ignoring the red continuation. I have always wondered why politicans are so vague all the time, but now I see how oponents always attack anything that has been said, often out of context
I guess I would have high-lighted the section just before you did...
" however giving a public beta date in order to get preorders, even if that means you have to announce consecutive delays, while professional, is not part of our business model."
But yeah... it's not like the justification and excuses posts weren't predicted either.
I do not care what will happen in regards to the trial and pre-orders. Aventurine went back on their word and now, in my opinion, cannot be trusted for anything they said or promised. This is a slap in the face to gamers and smells just like Age of Conan, Vanguard, Dark and Light among others.
If SOE had posted something like this, everyone would be criticizing them full-force. Just because it is Aventurine, we are supposed to cut them some slack and forgive them for going back on promises? My response is that they lied and are now in the same company as the aforementioned companies.
exactly, the same people playing apologetics for Aventurine are the SAME people who bashed other companies in the past for the same exact things. But because they are a FAn of this game, they accept it. The fans for the OTHER games were just idiots who fell for the proaganda.
I do not care what will happen in regards to the trial and pre-orders. Aventurine went back on their word and now, in my opinion, cannot be trusted for anything they said or promised. This is a slap in the face to gamers and smells just like Age of Conan, Vanguard, Dark and Light among others.
If SOE had posted something like this, everyone would be criticizing them full-force. Just because it is Aventurine, we are supposed to cut them some slack and forgive them for going back on promises? My response is that they lied and are now in the same company as the aforementioned companies.
No one is asking you to think otherwise. I think you are a bit of a drama queen though personally. You believed something that a PR person said for a game, and then was offended when they couldn't deliver. It was not even a pre meditated lie. Tasos was simply an idiot. Your opinion though and I respect that.
Originally posted by xzyax I guess I would have high-lighted the section just before you did... " however giving a public beta date in order to get preorders, even if that means you have to announce consecutive delays, while professional, is not part of our business model." But yeah... it's not like the justification and excuses posts weren't predicted either.
Lol come off it, when I read that it says to me: We do not want to encourage people to preorder the game by offering beta access to preorder customers.
Originally posted by Azrile I really don't mind the pre-order thing except for 2 things. First, Tasos specifically said there would be NO pre-order and that players would get to try the game before they buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he meant every single person would have the opportunity to try the game.
I won't be preordering but if there is still a free trial available on launch then he will be consistant with what he said he wants as nobody will have had to pay for the game before trying it.
Limiting the release ensures that a trial is very unlikely at the start. Maybe months down the road when they roll out enough servers to handle the influx we will see one, but doubtful that many will be able to try it before buying.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Originally posted by Azrile I really don't mind the pre-order thing except for 2 things. First, Tasos specifically said there would be NO pre-order and that players would get to try the game before they buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he meant every single person would have the opportunity to try the game.
I won't be preordering but if there is still a free trial available on launch then he will be consistant with what he said he wants as nobody will have had to pay for the game before trying it.
Well... except all those that aren't able to be part of the very limited trial. Here is his quote...
"...allowing thousands of players to sample the game for free..."
So how does that equate to NOBODY having to pay before they try it?
At most you could say...
"Those that are able to partake in the limited trial starting on the 22nd will be able to try the game before they pay for it. Everyone else will just have to pre-order the game and hope for the best."
We STILL get to play on Janurary 22nd. Say they have one server in Open Beta, they will probably select at least 50,000 players, out of the 200,000 odd Tasos said they have applied now. (This may increase remember) We STILL get to try before we buy, we'll of been in Open Beta, and played the game by the time they get pre-orders up.
The only difference this makes, is: Pre-orders, which I think is a good thing anyway.
We won't be playing our actual game characters untill Feburary 25th. We should be happy they're doing this to improve whatever they're working on, to be honest. We should be happy they're not prepared to make an "unfinished release". However, if we didn't get to play Open Beta on Janurary 22nd, I'm sure alot of people, would of been pretty pissed. Me included.
I agree with you completely. But here is the problem.
Who gets to play on Jan 22nd? If they allow even 10,000 'real people' to play on Jan 22nd and post videos, comments and reviews. Then I will agree with you. But just like many of us knew there would be no release on the Jan 22nd, we also KNOW there won't be 10,000 'real people' able to play darkfall on the 22nd. What you are going to get on Jan 22nd is nothing more than exactly what you have now. Tasos will claim 'lots of testers' but none of them will be posting anywhere except for his friends.
I really don't mind the pre-order thing except for 2 things. First, Tasos specifically said there would be NO pre-order and that players would get to try the game before they buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he meant every single person would have the opportunity to try the game. But even if I misinterpreted that part of his comment (maybe he meant the community as a whole would get to play before anyone paid money).. the fact still remains that there is not going to be any real 'open' playing on the 22nd. You, me, and nobody posting on these servers is ever going to get to play this game until Feb 25, and then only if we had pre-ordered.
When Jan 22nd comes and goes and nobody is talking about actually being in the game.. will the fanboys finally smell a rat? Nope, probaby not.
This is a testing phase, not a free trial. I can see how you might confuse the two...but they are SUPPOSED to serve two different purposes. In fact, I blame people like you for how terrible some games release....with the way you view testing phases as free trials and all. He never EVER said all players would get to TEST the game before buying it...he said they could TRY it. That tells me that he intends to run a free trial program ONCE THE GAME IS RELEASED YOU TARD.
My god, the sheer stupidity of the people in this forum have managed to turn me, who used to be one of the biggest DF trolls here, into someone who regularly defends them. Now, he may HAVE said he didn't wanna do a pre-order. But, you know what? These guys are indie developers. They have no money. I'm willing to bet they opened pre-orders to make sure they could finance extra hardware if player demand was larger than they expected. Frankly, pre-orders are common to MMO gaming.
If anything, you should be LESS angry about DF doing it than anyone else. The AAA MMO teams doing this sort of crap are just trying to make enough pre-release to get out of the red so that all sub money is clear profit. These guys might actually NEED it to add server tech.
I will be shocked if anyone in this forum is able to play the game on the 22nd and report their findings. I am fairly certain that the 22nd will come and go, and we will know nothing more about the game than we do right now. Unless there comes a point prior to Feb 25th, where there is a true open beta, no NDA, and an influx of user vids, forum posts, etc... I would encourage folks to not pre-order. Any pre-ordering after anything less than a fully disclosed open-beta, is a money grab. Plan and simple. Anyone who can't see that is wearing Tasos colored glasses.
Originally posted by Azrile I really don't mind the pre-order thing except for 2 things. First, Tasos specifically said there would be NO pre-order and that players would get to try the game before they buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he meant every single person would have the opportunity to try the game.
I won't be preordering but if there is still a free trial available on launch then he will be consistant with what he said he wants as nobody will have had to pay for the game before trying it.
True... but then hasn't Tasos just really kicked the can further down the road. I repeat that there is no way that you, I, or anyone else on these forums is going to be playing the game within the next few weeks. They will be collecting pre-order money in February before ANYONE gets to play the game.
Originally posted by atziluth Limiting the release ensures that a trial is very unlikely at the start. Maybe months down the road when they roll out enough servers to handle the influx we will see one, but doubtful that many will be able to try it before buying.
Well really thats down to your own impatiance if you must buy it immediately. I would wait and see what is said about free trials after launch before making inflamitory statements. You don't know yet whether thats going to be an option, if it is then you will have plenty of opportunity to try the game before paying for it, if there is no free within a reasonable period after launch then I agree that this a bit of a u turn.
I do not care what will happen in regards to the trial and pre-orders. Aventurine went back on their word and now, in my opinion, cannot be trusted for anything they said or promised. This is a slap in the face to gamers and smells just like Age of Conan, Vanguard, Dark and Light among others.
If SOE had posted something like this, everyone would be criticizing them full-force. Just because it is Aventurine, we are supposed to cut them some slack and forgive them for going back on promises? My response is that they lied and are now in the same company as the aforementioned companies.
exactly, the same people playing apologetics for Aventurine are the SAME people who bashed other companies in the past for the same exact things. But because they are a FAn of this game, they accept it. The fans for the OTHER games were just idiots who fell for the proaganda.
Yup.
A bit of consistency is all that is asked.
You can't be bashing one game for doing something that you are making excuses for another company doing.
How many fans here played the "holier than thou" card because DarkFall wasn't taking any pre-orders?
How many said... well it can't be a scam because they aren't taking any pre-orders?
How many said... well it's not like they are asking for any money before you get to try it for free.
All that is gone now. Flushed down the toilet in a single update by Tasos.
Face it... Tasos and Aventurine screwed up. They got caught in doing a complete 180 on what they've said in the past. If you don't have the integrity to admit that... well then it's pretty much a lost cause on your behalf.
I do not care what will happen in regards to the trial and pre-orders. Aventurine went back on their word and now, in my opinion, cannot be trusted for anything they said or promised. This is a slap in the face to gamers and smells just like Age of Conan, Vanguard, Dark and Light among others.
If SOE had posted something like this, everyone would be criticizing them full-force. Just because it is Aventurine, we are supposed to cut them some slack and forgive them for going back on promises? My response is that they lied and are now in the same company as the aforementioned companies.
No one is asking you to think otherwise. I think you are a bit of a drama queen though personally. You believed something that a PR person said for a game, and then was offended when they couldn't deliver. It was not even a pre meditated lie. Tasos was simply an idiot. Your opinion though and I respect that.
Drama queen? Try more like ethics in business. And why say that to me? Every damn fanboi in these forums believed it a thousand times more than I did. I just call it as I see it and its sad to see people try to defend a lying company. (For example, I am not nor will I ever play a SOE game again because of the recent RMT stuff as it relates to Smed's "promises" - just took me longer to realize that SOE will say anything to get people to sub than others)
And if you think I am a drama queen because I am upset that a company lied to the general public and did a 180 on a promise they made, then fine. Add to that, their justification for their change of course is too simple.
Seriously, what happens if 100k people preorder? Will they honor those pre-orders if they can only have 1-2 servers? Pre-order is a guarantee and the way I see it, there is no way Aventurine (and I have no confidence that Aventurine) can honor any pre-order agreement. Still people defend them and act as if it does not matter because they are new or a startup company. Hell, they are a business and their job is to make money and this latest change of direction only conforms that they will do what they need to make money. Gamers come second to them, money first.
I guess I just don't think of a PR person as the company, and I know that they all lie. Even if they don't mean to lie they do. They were stupid to set a date. I think Tasos has handled this pretty poorly, but I just got the overall feeling you were being a bit dramatic. This is pretty common fair for almost every gaming company when it comes to MMORPG's across the board. I think Blizzard is the only one to ever go the route of not being idiots and sticking to 'when it's ready.'
I agree with most of your points. I see where you are coming from, and I respect your decision. I just feel it's a bit dramatic. Hell 99% of these boards and DF's board, and the DF channel are so overly dramatic right now that I feel like i'm in the middle of a Beverly Hills High School. I feel like we aren't talking about an unreleased game, but instead what she said to her about him and then what he did to her because of what she said omg.
I will be shocked if anyone in this forum is able to play the game on the 22nd and report their findings. I am fairly certain that the 22nd will come and go, and we will know nothing more about the game than we do right now. Unless there comes a point prior to Feb 25th, where there is a true open beta, no NDA, and an influx of user vids, forum posts, etc... I would encourage folks to not pre-order. Any pre-ordering after anything less than a fully disclosed open-beta, is a money grab. Plan and simple. Anyone who can't see that is wearing Tasos colored glasses.
Even when Tasos does a complete 180 on everything he's said they believe in up to this point... still some find excuses to defend it.
How about this...
They drop the NDA and allow everyone that's currently in the Beta to post. THAT would at least show that they are willing to let the game speak for itself!
At this point... all it seems is that they've now added the money component that many of us said was coming. And yet, we still are not able to get in and play the game.
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Please read my message above. Could you please be so kind and provide me more details about the reason that they have stated and you are talking about?
Please read my message above. Could you please be so kind and provide me more details about the reason that they have stated and you are talking about?
When he wrote it the community consisted of what under 70k people? And now its over 300k growing by 100 members every hour? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM maybe then preorders were not applicable, but now that the game is getting so popular, they are going to have to stage release. What other way to decide who gets in first other than preorders? And as to the "we hope you can play before you spend a cent," well noone is forcing you to preorder and free trial comes out the 22nd....
soooooo?
Please read my message above. Could you please be so kind and provide me more details about the reason that they have stated and you are talking about?
When he wrote it the community consisted of what under 70k people? And now its over 300k growing by 100 members every hour? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM maybe then preorders were not applicable, but now that the game is getting so popular, they are going to have to stage release. What other way to decide who gets in first other than preorders? And as to the "we hope you can play before you spend a cent," well noone is forcing you to preorder and free trial comes out the 22nd....
soooooo?
sooooooo nothing, if you did read my post carefully you would not make retard of yourself now. Preferably both of my posts in this thread. You are barking on the wrong tree here
Please read my message above. Could you please be so kind and provide me more details about the reason that they have stated and you are talking about?
When he wrote it the community consisted of what under 70k people? And now its over 300k growing by 100 members every hour? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM maybe then preorders were not applicable, but now that the game is getting so popular, they are going to have to stage release. What other way to decide who gets in first other than preorders? And as to the "we hope you can play before you spend a cent," well noone is forcing you to preorder and free trial comes out the 22nd....
soooooo?
sooooooo nothing, if you did read my post carefully you would not make retard of yourself now. Preferably both of my posts in this thread. You are barking on the wrong tree here
We will just say my post was directed at the trolls QQing over preorder and lies ect...
Ok I don't post a lot but I do read the threads. It sounds like people want to play now and they don't want to wait until the Feb launch date. Children, hold your horses and let the company fix any issues before launch. You never get a second chance to make a first impression. People's expectations are generally based on past experiences and this developer cannot control that. What they can control is the experience of this game and that's what I believe they are trying to do by delaying the game in order to correct or fix some issues and to make sure the game can handle the population expected to initially sub.
From a business sense, launch when ready is the only way to go even if it means delaying the project a month or two. I can relate this to building a home (because that's what I do). Would you rather wait a week and move into your home before your hot water and gas is hooked up or would you rather move in now because that's when the contractor said your home would be ready? It's all about the initial experience.
I really want to try out this game but I would like to see it as complete as possible before trying it out and I would be naive to think it will be flawless after launch. Continuing with the home analogy, I know I will see nail pops, maybe a crack in the concrete from settling or even a sqeaky floor because the sub floor wasn't glued down by the framer properly. All these things can be fixed and they are part of the industry; smilar to the gaming industry I am sure. (ie: bugs)
Some of you guys seem to always be setting yourself up for disappoinment. You seem to comment and then fashion your own conclusions that are seriously way out of context based on other experiences. How about we wait and see before calling the game vapourware, a failure, crap, a success, the best mmo ever, etc. It works both ways.
Anyways, I am looking forward to giving this game a fair shot. I think the concept is great and is geared to a market that obviously isn't satisfied. I am excited to advance my character but I can wait
Cheers,
Durth
Preorders will not get unfair priority for open beta, thats a lie, Tasos would never do that.
Tasos sent me this email when I asked him about open beta.
If you’re not in the open beta yet, please don’t take this personally, it’s likely you don’t fit our immediate testing needs or have not pre ordered yet.
There are a lot of criteria, but it can be as simple as hardware, location, time zone and if you have preorderd.
We appreciate your understanding as we're trying to get Darkfall open beta ready, we take this pre order process very seriously.
I agree with you completely. But here is the problem.
Who gets to play on Jan 22nd? If they allow even 10,000 'real people' to play on Jan 22nd and post videos, comments and reviews. Then I will agree with you. But just like many of us knew there would be no release on the Jan 22nd, we also KNOW there won't be 10,000 'real people' able to play darkfall on the 22nd. What you are going to get on Jan 22nd is nothing more than exactly what you have now. Tasos will claim 'lots of testers' but none of them will be posting anywhere except for his friends.
I really don't mind the pre-order thing except for 2 things. First, Tasos specifically said there would be NO pre-order and that players would get to try the game before they buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he meant every single person would have the opportunity to try the game. But even if I misinterpreted that part of his comment (maybe he meant the community as a whole would get to play before anyone paid money).. the fact still remains that there is not going to be any real 'open' playing on the 22nd. You, me, and nobody posting on these servers is ever going to get to play this game until Feb 25, and then only if we had pre-ordered.
When Jan 22nd comes and goes and nobody is talking about actually being in the game.. will the fanboys finally smell a rat? Nope, probaby not.
They stated that preorders for public beta were not a part of their business model. These preorders do not give access to public beta. They give access to the game early.
I won't be preordering but if there is still a free trial available on launch then he will be consistant with what he said he wants as nobody will have had to pay for the game before trying it.
I guess I would have high-lighted the section just before you did...
" however giving a public beta date in order to get preorders, even if that means you have to announce consecutive delays, while professional, is not part of our business model."
But yeah... it's not like the justification and excuses posts weren't predicted either.
exactly, the same people playing apologetics for Aventurine are the SAME people who bashed other companies in the past for the same exact things. But because they are a FAn of this game, they accept it. The fans for the OTHER games were just idiots who fell for the proaganda.
No one is asking you to think otherwise. I think you are a bit of a drama queen though personally. You believed something that a PR person said for a game, and then was offended when they couldn't deliver. It was not even a pre meditated lie. Tasos was simply an idiot. Your opinion though and I respect that.
Lol come off it, when I read that it says to me: We do not want to encourage people to preorder the game by offering beta access to preorder customers.
I won't be preordering but if there is still a free trial available on launch then he will be consistant with what he said he wants as nobody will have had to pay for the game before trying it.
Limiting the release ensures that a trial is very unlikely at the start. Maybe months down the road when they roll out enough servers to handle the influx we will see one, but doubtful that many will be able to try it before buying.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
I won't be preordering but if there is still a free trial available on launch then he will be consistant with what he said he wants as nobody will have had to pay for the game before trying it.
Well... except all those that aren't able to be part of the very limited trial. Here is his quote...
"...allowing thousands of players to sample the game for free..."
So how does that equate to NOBODY having to pay before they try it?
At most you could say...
"Those that are able to partake in the limited trial starting on the 22nd will be able to try the game before they pay for it. Everyone else will just have to pre-order the game and hope for the best."
I agree with you completely. But here is the problem.
Who gets to play on Jan 22nd? If they allow even 10,000 'real people' to play on Jan 22nd and post videos, comments and reviews. Then I will agree with you. But just like many of us knew there would be no release on the Jan 22nd, we also KNOW there won't be 10,000 'real people' able to play darkfall on the 22nd. What you are going to get on Jan 22nd is nothing more than exactly what you have now. Tasos will claim 'lots of testers' but none of them will be posting anywhere except for his friends.
I really don't mind the pre-order thing except for 2 things. First, Tasos specifically said there would be NO pre-order and that players would get to try the game before they buy it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he meant every single person would have the opportunity to try the game. But even if I misinterpreted that part of his comment (maybe he meant the community as a whole would get to play before anyone paid money).. the fact still remains that there is not going to be any real 'open' playing on the 22nd. You, me, and nobody posting on these servers is ever going to get to play this game until Feb 25, and then only if we had pre-ordered.
When Jan 22nd comes and goes and nobody is talking about actually being in the game.. will the fanboys finally smell a rat? Nope, probaby not.
This is a testing phase, not a free trial. I can see how you might confuse the two...but they are SUPPOSED to serve two different purposes. In fact, I blame people like you for how terrible some games release....with the way you view testing phases as free trials and all. He never EVER said all players would get to TEST the game before buying it...he said they could TRY it. That tells me that he intends to run a free trial program ONCE THE GAME IS RELEASED YOU TARD.
My god, the sheer stupidity of the people in this forum have managed to turn me, who used to be one of the biggest DF trolls here, into someone who regularly defends them. Now, he may HAVE said he didn't wanna do a pre-order. But, you know what? These guys are indie developers. They have no money. I'm willing to bet they opened pre-orders to make sure they could finance extra hardware if player demand was larger than they expected. Frankly, pre-orders are common to MMO gaming.
If anything, you should be LESS angry about DF doing it than anyone else. The AAA MMO teams doing this sort of crap are just trying to make enough pre-release to get out of the red so that all sub money is clear profit. These guys might actually NEED it to add server tech.
I will be shocked if anyone in this forum is able to play the game on the 22nd and report their findings. I am fairly certain that the 22nd will come and go, and we will know nothing more about the game than we do right now. Unless there comes a point prior to Feb 25th, where there is a true open beta, no NDA, and an influx of user vids, forum posts, etc... I would encourage folks to not pre-order. Any pre-ordering after anything less than a fully disclosed open-beta, is a money grab. Plan and simple. Anyone who can't see that is wearing Tasos colored glasses.
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I won't be preordering but if there is still a free trial available on launch then he will be consistant with what he said he wants as nobody will have had to pay for the game before trying it.
True... but then hasn't Tasos just really kicked the can further down the road. I repeat that there is no way that you, I, or anyone else on these forums is going to be playing the game within the next few weeks. They will be collecting pre-order money in February before ANYONE gets to play the game.
Well really thats down to your own impatiance if you must buy it immediately. I would wait and see what is said about free trials after launch before making inflamitory statements. You don't know yet whether thats going to be an option, if it is then you will have plenty of opportunity to try the game before paying for it, if there is no free within a reasonable period after launch then I agree that this a bit of a u turn.
exactly, the same people playing apologetics for Aventurine are the SAME people who bashed other companies in the past for the same exact things. But because they are a FAn of this game, they accept it. The fans for the OTHER games were just idiots who fell for the proaganda.
Yup.
A bit of consistency is all that is asked.
You can't be bashing one game for doing something that you are making excuses for another company doing.
How many fans here played the "holier than thou" card because DarkFall wasn't taking any pre-orders?
How many said... well it can't be a scam because they aren't taking any pre-orders?
How many said... well it's not like they are asking for any money before you get to try it for free.
All that is gone now. Flushed down the toilet in a single update by Tasos.
Face it... Tasos and Aventurine screwed up. They got caught in doing a complete 180 on what they've said in the past. If you don't have the integrity to admit that... well then it's pretty much a lost cause on your behalf.
No one is asking you to think otherwise. I think you are a bit of a drama queen though personally. You believed something that a PR person said for a game, and then was offended when they couldn't deliver. It was not even a pre meditated lie. Tasos was simply an idiot. Your opinion though and I respect that.
Drama queen? Try more like ethics in business. And why say that to me? Every damn fanboi in these forums believed it a thousand times more than I did. I just call it as I see it and its sad to see people try to defend a lying company. (For example, I am not nor will I ever play a SOE game again because of the recent RMT stuff as it relates to Smed's "promises" - just took me longer to realize that SOE will say anything to get people to sub than others)
And if you think I am a drama queen because I am upset that a company lied to the general public and did a 180 on a promise they made, then fine. Add to that, their justification for their change of course is too simple.
Seriously, what happens if 100k people preorder? Will they honor those pre-orders if they can only have 1-2 servers? Pre-order is a guarantee and the way I see it, there is no way Aventurine (and I have no confidence that Aventurine) can honor any pre-order agreement. Still people defend them and act as if it does not matter because they are new or a startup company. Hell, they are a business and their job is to make money and this latest change of direction only conforms that they will do what they need to make money. Gamers come second to them, money first.
I guess I just don't think of a PR person as the company, and I know that they all lie. Even if they don't mean to lie they do. They were stupid to set a date. I think Tasos has handled this pretty poorly, but I just got the overall feeling you were being a bit dramatic. This is pretty common fair for almost every gaming company when it comes to MMORPG's across the board. I think Blizzard is the only one to ever go the route of not being idiots and sticking to 'when it's ready.'
I agree with most of your points. I see where you are coming from, and I respect your decision. I just feel it's a bit dramatic. Hell 99% of these boards and DF's board, and the DF channel are so overly dramatic right now that I feel like i'm in the middle of a Beverly Hills High School. I feel like we aren't talking about an unreleased game, but instead what she said to her about him and then what he did to her because of what she said omg.
Even when Tasos does a complete 180 on everything he's said they believe in up to this point... still some find excuses to defend it.
How about this...
They drop the NDA and allow everyone that's currently in the Beta to post. THAT would at least show that they are willing to let the game speak for itself!
At this point... all it seems is that they've now added the money component that many of us said was coming. And yet, we still are not able to get in and play the game.