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This game is a second job now
Kaynos1972
Member Posts: 2,316
Nothing matters anymore in this game, it's all about stats. Peoples in WOW no longer look for other peoples to play with, they are looking at STATS. Now when your looking to raid or do anything at 80, peoples are asked to send STATS... That's truely pathetic, WOW has become a second job, no fun to have in that game, it's all about maximum and optimal perfromance.
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It is easy second job lol. If you want to see big second job you go level up on L2 or Mu and see how long it takes you. You will kill kill kill all day all night and then wake up guess what, kill kill kill hack hack, 1 millon yeti creature dead your still level 50, do not worry only 350 more to go. Second job, you are lightweight little man lol.
And you are mediocre until you've leveled a char at Ro to trans 99 :-p
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Perhaps you are right, I no longer have energy for hack hack die die wake and hack hack hack. Maybe hack hack quest hack quest. But no just hack hack.
The main reason for why I don't raid. I was twice in a raid guild in WoW, and both times they were extremely specific about what my specs should be, when I should be online (not only for raids), my professions, and some other stuff.
OP, I'd say WoW is LESS like a second job than it has been in a long time. Simply because endgame is lacking and poor right now.
If that is how you want to play it, then it can become this way. However, WOW is fun when you play it they way you want too and letting others dictate how you play, is not going to be fun in any game. I do not experience any of what you mention because I choose to ignore it.
Your right and that's true with any game. If people didn't care so much about having the best of the best gear, then they wouldn't fret so much about STATS and raiding for gear.They'd enjoy the other aspects of the game.But no, they want to level up as fast as they can and then complain when they run out of things to do. That's why I try to avoid guilds that are PVP specific because most of them have no lives outside of the game and expect their members to think of the game on their terms.No game has ever been a second job for me. I play for 30 minutes to an hour whenever I feel like it. Whatever I want in game can wait until the next time I log in.
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Most games are about stats. You would be doing that during the levelup process, too - getting equipment with the right stats for your character just so your questing will be easier.
If you're having difficulty getting into Heroics, run some level 80 instances for loot, and acquire some Rep gear. Get them enchanted and gemmed. You should then be ready for some easy Heroics.
If people ask you for stats when you run with them, you probably won't want to bother running with them in the first place. Look for a good guild that runs the instances you want, or start your own.
Alliance guide to Hallowed be Thy Name:
http://wow.magelo.com/forum/messages.jspa?topic=7306
I see the frustration there but your conclusion seems to be a bit too limited. You need take a step back and take a deep breath.
First, there are many walks of life in this game. Some of the raid groups focus on getting things done fast, be first in server be ... Naturally they want ppl who can do it that way. Stats are part of what helps, personal skills as well. Stats does not equate to success. You need to know the fight, know when to pull, kill order, what to CC, what to avoid (purple patches on the floor) ... The best gear on earth will not save you if you stand in front of the fiery breath of a drake.
Yet stats matters in guaranteeing a fighting chances. Many bosses randomly charge you, taking 10k+ off a clothie if it crits. What does that mean? If you do not have 15k hp, you will die in 1 hit unless the healer keeps you topped up all the time, meaning healer is healing you instead of tank first. That is the reason why sometimes a minimum level of gear is required. Try to heal a heroic with only +1000 healing power? Your biggest heal can only heal for 4k, and for a tank with 28k hp, it takes 7 big heals to top him up. Do you think he and the non tanks can last that long?
Now with that explained, there are always rooms for experiment. We (a bunch of friends) stick together and allow each of us to bring the alt they like. I may tank for an hour, then heal for 1 run, and then dps till I log. The others respect my wishes and patch up whatever they want to go with. We need not form the standard group of 1 heal 1 tank 3 dps. Why not try tank UK with 2 dps tanks (DKs). Why not try 3 paly groups with all the buffs and such. Yes we might not clear it as fast, but its fun like hell, even if we wipe. If you can look at the game from the point of view of fun, you can do it anyway you want. All you need is to find people and friend with a similar mind set. You can pretty much ignore the elitist during the days when you do not want to put up with their attitude. The dungeons are instanced, meaning they can do what they want and won't affect you once they zone in. Byebye.
There is one nice thing about raiding in WoW, and that is you can do it with just 10 persons. With the huge gaming population, it is not hard to find 9 friends, and to plunge in and give it a shot. During the hours when your friends are offline or busy, you have so many things else to do, from soloing quests, to pvping to flying around and looking for places you have not yet visited. Many other games (EQ, FFXI) are totally dead if you cannot find enuf ppl and the right class to head out. You just sit and spam lfm for hours, or wait for hours for an invite.
As for your conclusion that WoW has become a second job, how? Long hours to play? No way, WoW is easy to level and you can always find something to do even with an hour or 30 minutes to play. While you may have frustration finding a seat in some of the raids being fomed, your frustration is limited by your willingness to find other ppl, or other things to do. And I fail to see how it becomes a second job, when there are so many grinders that requires a year or 2 to get to respectable levels (L2) just to join the serious action.
There are plenty of people playing the game that will fit your playstyle.
If you keep getting into guilds that only care about stats you might just be looking for the wrong type of guild. I suspect those guilds are the type that strive to be the first at everything or something similar.
I've played with 2 guilds that have never asked for stats or forced a talent on me. There are plenty of down to earth people to play with if you look for them. Just stay away from those throw together guilds that form to raid raid raid. They never work out.
If anything it's become less and less of a second job as the game progressed, it's rather strange you should come to this conclusion now as this is about the most casual it has been to this point.
You think Warcraft is a job? You should have been a crafter in SWG. Now THAT was a job:
Log in, travel to your resource harvester to see what you have, find out that the resources have shifted so you need to move your harvester, spend a half hour or so looking for a good spot and plop down your harvester, go back to your house and run a crafting macro to build 100 item X to make 50 item Y to make 20 item Z, add 20 item Z to the marketplace, and log out.
I dont know what happened to crafting after JTL, but that was my memories of being a master architect. I know WoW has similar aspects for crafting, but if you were an architect, thats ALL YOU DID. Since it was 1 character per server, there was not much variance.
Dont get me wrong, I miss the ability to level a character without ever firing a weapon, that was my favorite part of the old SWG, but it quickly became a job getting there.
Games played/playing: Asheron's Call, AC2, SWG, GW, LotRO (Beta), DnDO (Beta), WoW
hmm ... what is wrong with stats?
Optimization is fun. Getting the next upgrade is fun.
And there is nothing wrong with getting reasonably gear people to party with. I hate to play with tanks who can hold aggro, and healers who can't keep us alive at the dungeons we are doing.
May be if you don't like upgrades and playing with people who actually can do their part in a dungeon, WOW Is not the game for you.
Damn, I'm tired of everyone coming on these forums to cry.
If you don't like a game, f**king quit. Is it really that hard?
SOME people come to these forums for info, advice, help, etc....Not everyone cares if you hate a game. If you have a question about a game or would like to get other players experiences with a game thats fine, but just quit whining......
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PreCU SWG is the best example to use whenever anyone whines about WOW being a second job. It didn't matter what you were, there was always mechanics in the game that made it a chore. ...
You've already covered crafters so I'll cover it from the perspective of the combat player.
Log in. See that you have accrued large amounts of fatigue and wounds. So to get rid of the fatigue you had to go to find an entertainer in one of the cantinas to remove the stasis. Then you had to go the med center and find a doctor to remove your wounds. If you couldn't find one of the two then you were SOL.There were times I could never get past this point due to a lack of Entertainers or Doctors and just ended up logging out.
Next, I wanted to gain more experience for a skill box and since not many quests were not available or hard to find(there were no marks above their heads) then it was off to Dathomir and the mission terminal, where you stood in a big crowd of people spamming "LFG" . Once you got a group then it was off for hours killing bols and pickets. And that's not counting the problems you get from the inevitable drops of people after two missions.You almost always had some idiot who would draw agro onto the group and kill a few of you. Then guess what happened next? BACK to the cantina and Med Center after you've cloned. Plus you've accrued extra damage on top of your gear which was NOT fixable. There were no NPCs where you could just pay a small fee and everything gets magically fixed. You just used your gear until it went caput and bought more.
WOW is no where near that so to say it's a second job is laughable. No one is FORCING you to play for that long.
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If you think WoW is a second job, take a break. I have not played for a week or so now because I am playing Left 4 dead, Grand theft auto IV, and Mirror's edge (all for the pc).
If you dont want to do that, find a better guild or get some of your friends to srart playing. I do heroics, I dont raid, and I pvp casually. I found a pretty carefree bunch of guys pretty easily. Just keep looking at guilds until you find the one you want. Usually the guilds that are "raiding" guilds are pretty pretty elitist, self-centered assholes, so look for a casual guild that just sorta does everything.
Trust me. There are plenty of them.
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Every game has a segment of the player base that will only group with the 'optimal' build.
Final Fantasy, DAOC, EVE, they all have this same group in them.
Best thing to do is avoid them, and find people more like minded to your own playstyle.
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Heroics are the easiest instances for 80s to get into. There has been some hullabaloo about the fact that under-geared DPS run heroics, it's because they can't get into any other instance type. Even then H groups are hard to PUG, or even guild-run, with the raid IDs.
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A discusion between a friend of mine (Holy Priest) and a random person:
- What's your stats?
- 2300 SP
- Is that a lot?
- ... (why he asks if he has no clue?)
A discussion between me (Discipline Prest) and a random person"
- Are you holy?
- No, I'm discipline
- Can you heal?
- ... yes
Just because people are making "pro" questions, doesn't mean that they got a clue themselves. More times than not, they are semi-informed, which is worse than total ignorant.
Heroics are the easiest instances for 80s to get into. There has been some hullabaloo about the fact that under-geared DPS run heroics, it's because they can't get into any other instance type. Even then H groups are hard to PUG, or even guild-run, with the raid IDs.
I've done nothing *but* PUG Heroics. This is not like the TBC days, Heroics are a lot less reliant on having the right CC etc. I did about 3 normal dungeons and then I went right to heroics with my Quest gear + rep gear. PUG-ing heroics is incredibly accessible right now and from my experience at least mostly successful (although there were a few "wipe-a-lots" in there but at least the people didn't complain and kept going till we did get it right
).
If you can't PUG a heroic these days you're not playing well probably, it's not that hard anymore.
./facepalm + chainsword to face... it took you this long to realise it ... WoW has being like this since the first raid dungeon was raided: You do not show up 5/7 raids a week you get the boot,you dont farm stuff all day for the raids,you get the boot etc.
If that is how you want to play it, then it can become this way. However, WOW is fun when you play it they way you want too and letting others dictate how you play, is not going to be fun in any game. I do not experience any of what you mention because I choose to ignore it.
Exactly. I have no time for people who complain about the grind or repetition because they are choosing to play that way in the first place.
Heroics are the easiest instances for 80s to get into. There has been some hullabaloo about the fact that under-geared DPS run heroics, it's because they can't get into any other instance type. Even then H groups are hard to PUG, or even guild-run, with the raid IDs.
I think the easier Heroics can be PUGed, but go into H HOL with 2 undergeared, freshly-dinged 80s in your group and you're just asking for trouble.
If players want to see content, let them work to get there. It's not too difficult to do the Rep dailies - the Exalted gear and enchants are not for show, they HELP us pull our own weight in group settings. A player should get the minimal TPS/DPS/Spellpower to do his/her part in Heroics after that and some 80 normal instancing. LFG channel and the LFG tool are active all weekend, at least on my server.
I've seen plenty of instances where the group leader in greens demands fully epic'ed out party members and kicking out similarly undergeared players, just so the party can carry him through the Heroic. That's how lazy some players get, and is just poor ethics. It's also a reason why the majority of PUGs fail - because of these people.
Alliance guide to Hallowed be Thy Name:
http://wow.magelo.com/forum/messages.jspa?topic=7306
Hate to tell you OP but WoW has ALWAYS been this way.
Stats are nice but ill take a player with mid range gear that knows how to play over some geared out moron that has no idea what they are doing. This game is full or clueless idiots that have no idea how to play; no idea what stats are best for thier class and spec. The best thing to do is look for a raiding guild and try and find some decent people to run with. If you don't suck people will want to work with you and the gear will come in time.